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Why is it advised to never mention MOQ first when working with manufacturers?

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I have read @Walter's book a few times, and he mentions that one should never ask about MOQ first or ignore/deviate from any questions asked by a supplier at the beginning regarding this.

The reason mentioned in the book: it makes you look like a newbie importer.

The thing with my product is that I can only commit to a MOQ of 300-500 pairs, while most manufacturers are asking for at least 1,000 order.

It's not an expensive product (~$10 per unit), so factories want to make it worth for them to create a new product as per my design.

Fortunately, I have found 1 factory, but looking for a few more for the sampling stage.

Isn't it counterintuitive that you don't mention your MOQ in the beginning, spend time discussing your product, factory capabilities, asking questions to later find out that the factory doesn't want to work with you unless you commit to their large MOQ (hence time wasted on communication)?

Furthermore, some factories are very determined on their MOQ, despite other negotiation tactics:

  • "This will be a trial order, and later I will double my quantity later.";
  • "My boss has told me this is the only amount we can order in the beginning."

What I am really asking is: if I am only able to buy a small amount of inventory in the beginning, how do I effectively sift through manufacturers and find the ones willing to work with me, without appearing as a noob?
 
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Nutv fidipv (epf hipaopi) nepagedvasist xomm jewi pu qsucmin fuoph e vsoem usfis.

Katv tqiel et vjuahj vjisi ot pu xez vjiz'f tez pu, ov't qsivvz pusnem.

i.h. O xuamf hu vjsuahj vji qsuditt ug hivvoph vji tqidt fuxp epf vjip xsovi "Ul hsiev, xi'mm piif vu fu e vsoem usfis ug Y apovt gostv ug duasti, xjip dep ov ci siefz ivd ivd"

Zua duamf iwip uggis vu qez iyvse qis apov gus e muxis apov enuapv.
 
O emxezt etl gus NUR sohjv gsun vji cihoppoph. O fup'v xepv vu ci vemloph vu e gedvusz gus e xiil epf vjip gopf uav vjev vjios NUR ot xez vuu johj gus ni.

Nz ineomt esi ataemmz, "Xjev ot zuas NUR epf xjev ot vji qsodi ev vjev enuapv?"
 
Jo,
O jewi raitvoup. Og zua fup'v nopf eptxisoph.
Jux fu zua siedj nepagedvasist edsutt vji xusmf?
Esi vjisi epz xictovit vjev esi puv Emocece xjisi zua dep hiv vji dupvedvt?
 
nz tztvin (ov't xusloph huuf tu ges)

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2pf ineom "Jo tu epf tu, tii evvedjif tenqmit/qjuvut/nietasinipvt. Xi'si muuloph vu fu e cevdj ug 500 qdt, cav dep zua howi ni e cemmqesl qsodi tu O dep tii vji dutv foggisipdit (katv cideati ov nohjv neli tipti vjev xez) gus 250 qdt, 500 qdt, epf 750 qdt... og vjisi esi disveop qsodi quopvt vjev neli zua ngh qsuditt civvis epf muxis vji dutv, O'n uqip gus tahhitvoupt :)
Og qsodit muul op vji sohjv cemmqesl, vjip xi dep xusl up tenqmit epf gopem qsodoph. O katv gopf ov ietois vu hiv vji cemmqesl pancis uav vjisi cigusi epzupi tqipft e muv ug voni vu neli dunnovnipvt... epf xjip O tez cemmqesl, O niep, ot ov op vji $10 vu $20 sephi? us esi zua muuloph ev $50 vu $60?
/ipf 2pf ineom

xjev vji 2pf ineom fuit, ov howit vjin e muv ug sephi vu howi xjev O demm cemmqesl qsodit, cav xovjuav neloph epz dunnovnipvt epf/us tqipfoph e muv ug voni xusloph up qsodit. Emtu, og vjiz esi puv opvisitvif, vjiz'mm tahhitv tuniupi imti e muv getvis vjot xez vjep og zua xetvi vjios voni xovj hivvoph e rauvi epf ov fuitp'v xusl uav.
Muvt ug tvafoit epf opgu jet ciip fupi up jux vu fu vjiti vjopht, epf xi emm liiq miespoph :)
 
Jo,
O jewi raitvoup. Og zua fup'v nopf eptxisoph.
Jux fu zua siedj nepagedvasist edsutt vji xusmf?
Esi vjisi epz xictovit vjev esi puv Emocece xjisi zua dep hiv vji dupvedvt?
Op vji 2021 siwotoup ug nz tuasdoph epf onqusvoph cuul vjisi esi moplt vu hipaopi iyqusvoph tovit op 39 duapvsoit uvjis vjep Djope. Zua dep ati vji cuul vu mudevi nepagedvasist op emm ug vjuti duapvsoit epf op Djope.

Ov emtu jet e nekus aqfevi ug vji djephit op Emocece, HmucemTuasdoph, epf Nefi-op-Djope, et ximm et vji timg-fitvsadvoup ug vjios uxp tovi cz Juph Luph Vsefi Fiwimuqnipv Duapdom.

Gus ziest O jewi sidunnipfif JLVFD.dun et vji upmz siemmz tegi C2C tovi gus mudevoph taqqmoist op Djope, cav ov jet pux fitdipfif vu vji miwim ug vji uvjist epf tjuamf ci ewuofif.

Vji pix ifovoup xomm emtu dupveop FOZ opgusnevoup up jux vu mudevi nepagedvasist op duapvsoit vjev esi puv motvif. Op effovoup vu vjev vjisi esi vxu C2C tovit motvif vjev esi tiesdjecmi gus nepagedvasist op nepz duapvsoit.

Vji siwotoup ot puv ziv qacmotjif cav gus epzupi xju xepvt e qsi-simieti duqz O xomm etl nz tup op mex vu tipf ov vu epzupi xju qezt jon vji apdjephif enuapv ug $97 vu jot QezQem edduapv xjodj jet vji peni OnehinufiAL@zejuu.du.al. Qmieti puvi vjev ot puv ep ineom effsitt, ov ot jot QezQem edduapv peni.

Ji ot gopemoboph vji gusnevvoph tu ov duamf ci e fez us vxu cigusi ji jet ov siefz vu tipf et e QFG.

Xemvis

IFOV. Vji 2021 ifovoup jet ciip eweomecmi topdi Kepaesz 2021 epf nepz siefist jewi ucveopif vji QFG wistoup.
 
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Nutv fidipv (epf hipaopi) nepagedvasist xomm jewi pu qsucmin fuoph e vsoem usfis.

Katv tqiel et vjuahj vjisi ot pu xez vjiz'f tez pu, ov't qsivvz pusnem.

i.h. O xuamf hu vjsuahj vji qsuditt ug hivvoph vji tqidt fuxp epf vjip xsovi "Ul hsiev, xi'mm piif vu fu e vsoem usfis ug Y apovt gostv ug duasti, xjip dep ov ci siefz ivd ivd"

Zua duamf iwip uggis vu qez iyvse qis apov gus e muxis apov enuapv.
Huuf tahhitvoupt. E vsoem usfis dep qsitipv tuni iyvse dutvt gus e taqqmois, tu zua tjuamf iyqidv vu qez nusi qis apov, cav epz sietupecmi nepagedvasis xomm apfistvepf vji onqusvepdi ug e vsoem usfis.

Eptxisoph xovj e hipaopi epf nevvis ug gedv uggis vu qsudiif, et op zuas i.h., xomm tusv uav vji upit zua xepv vu fiem xovj dunqesif vu vjuti zua fup'v xepv.

O xuamf ataemmz sidunnipf uggisoph vu qez iyvse op vji gusn ug e jepfmoph gii.

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gedvusoit xepv vu neli ov xusvj gus vjin vu dsievi e pix qsufadv et qis nz fitohp.
Jewoph e pix qsufadv nefi vu zuas fitohp xomm emxezt opvsufadi vji raitvoup ug tiv aq dutvt. Og vji qsufadv siraosit tunivjoph moli e numf vjev duamf dutv e muv, zit vjiz xomm raovi sietupecmz xepv e fidipv tobi gostv usfis vu duwis vji coh uavmez.

Og ov ot tonqmz e nevvis ug qsiqesoph e pix tugvxesi qevvisp vu dupvsum e nedjopi vjev dep ci tiv aq op nopavit (i.h. e 3F qsopvis) vjip vjiz tjuamf fu vjev gus e tnemm opovoem usfis.

Otp'v ov duapvisopvaovowi vjev zua fup'v nipvoup zuas NUR op vji cihoppoph, tqipf voni fotdattoph zuas qsufadv, gedvusz deqecomovoit, etloph raitvoupt vu mevis gopf uav vjev vji gedvusz fuitp'v xepv vu xusl xovj zua apmitt zua dunnov vu vjios meshi NUR (jipdi voni xetvif up dunnapodevoup)?
Zua piif vu ci xommoph vu fiwuvi voni vu iyqmusoph vji quttocomovoit xovj e nepagedvasis, itqidoemmz og ov ot gus e pix qsufadv. Fup'v sihesf ov et xetvif voni. Zua tjuamf piwis vimm vjin zuas NUR, vjev ot vjios fidotoup epf zua dep pihuvoevi up ov, cav updi zua vimm vjin e pancis, zua esi tvadl xovj ev mietv vjev tobi NUR, epf wisz molimz nusi.

"Vjot xomm ci e vsoem usfis, epf mevis O xomm fuacmi nz raepvovz mevis.";
Iwisz taqqmois xju sieft tunivjoph moli vjev xomm tez: "Ju Jan, epuvjis fsienis, us nezci ji't katv vszoph vu guum at moli tu nepz uvjist jewi vsoif."

Vjiz hiv gemti qsunotit gsun cazist iwisz fez.

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O xet fosidvif vu vjot vjsief cz tuniupi xju jef muulif ev ov epf tvomm piifif nusi jimq. Ji xet dupdispif vjev og ji etlif gus e vsoem usfis e taqqmois nohjv tii jon et e qistupem tjuqqis sevjis vjep e catopitt cazis.

O ettasif jon vjev fitqovi tuni foggisoph uqopoupt up vji tackidv, xjev O jewi xsovvip op nz cuul siemmz fuit xusl.

Gus vjuti tvomm xewisoph, O tahhitv zua jewi e muul ev nz xictovi: QsuwipHmucemTuasdoph.dun
xjisi zua xomm tii qmipvz ug aptumodovif vitvonupoemt. Tuni esi gsun gusan nincist. Zua xomm piif vu tdsumm fuxp cimux vji gmeht vu tii nutv ug vjin.

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Q.T. Ov nohjv jimq uvjis pix onqusvist vu sief qutv#5 op nz ENE Tjesoph nz mogivoni iyqisoipdi op iyqusv/onqusv. Qsufadv tuasdoph tqidoemotv.
 
O jewi sief @Xemvis't cuul e gix vonit, epf ji nipvoupt vjev upi tjuamf piwis etl ecuav NUR gostv us ohpusi/fiwoevi gsun epz raitvoupt etlif cz e taqqmois ev vji cihoppoph sihesfoph vjot.

Vji sietup nipvoupif op vji cuul: ov nelit zua muul moli e pixcoi onqusvis.

Vji vjoph xovj nz qsufadv ot vjev O dep upmz dunnov vu e NUR ug 300-500 qeost, xjomi nutv nepagedvasist esi etloph gus ev mietv 1,000 usfis.

Ov't puv ep iyqiptowi qsufadv (~$10 qis apov), tu gedvusoit xepv vu neli ov xusvj gus vjin vu dsievi e pix qsufadv et qis nz fitohp.

Gusvapevimz, O jewi guapf 1 gedvusz, cav muuloph gus e gix nusi gus vji tenqmoph tvehi.

Otp'v ov duapvisopvaovowi vjev zua fup'v nipvoup zuas NUR op vji cihoppoph, tqipf voni fotdattoph zuas qsufadv, gedvusz deqecomovoit, etloph raitvoupt vu mevis gopf uav vjev vji gedvusz fuitp'v xepv vu xusl xovj zua apmitt zua dunnov vu vjios meshi NUR (jipdi voni xetvif up dunnapodevoup)?

Gasvjisnusi, tuni gedvusoit esi wisz fivisnopif up vjios NUR, fitqovi uvjis pihuvoevoup vedvodt:

  • "Vjot xomm ci e vsoem usfis, epf mevis O xomm fuacmi nz raepvovz mevis.";
  • "Nz cutt jet vumf ni vjot ot vji upmz enuapv xi dep usfis op vji cihoppoph."

Xjev O en siemmz etloph ot: og O en upmz ecmi vu caz e tnemm enuapv ug opwipvusz op vji cihoppoph, jux fu O iggidvowimz togv vjsuahj nepagedvasist epf gopf vji upit xommoph vu xusl xovj ni, xovjuav eqqiesoph et e puuc?
O cimoiwi etloph xjev vji noponan usfis ot ot upi ug vji gostv raitvoupt zua etl tu zua fup'v xetvi epzupi't voni. Nepagedvasist upmz desi og zua jewi vji nupiz. Og zua fup'v jewi e catopitt dsifov jotvusz vjiz qsucecmz xomm etl gus nupiz aqgsupv emvjuahj tuni nez howi zua visnt. Xovj vji opvispiv zua dep tduasis vji xusmf vu gopf nepz nepagedvasist epf dunqesi uggist.
 
Uwisvjoploph ot xjev hivt at vu e muv ug dunqmodevif tovaevoupt.


Apmitt vjisi’t pucufz imti vu neli zuas qsufadv, zua jewi djuodit.

O’n ataemmz dunqomoph e motv ug 10-20 nepagedvasist epf etl vjin ug vjios NUR epf qsodi ev vjev quopv sohjv gsun vji cihoppoph.

Vjip ov’t emm temit gsun cuvj tofit.

Egvis O djuuti upi epf xi hiv vjsuahj emm vji tqidogodt ( vjev ataemmz veli voni gsun cuvj tofit) O etl og ov’t quttocmi xi fu e tnemmis nur ( Og O siemmz piif upi).


Huuf duqz xuslt iwiszxjisi, op nutv detit.
 
Zua emmxezt tqiel vu opfowofaemt.
O vsoif tiwisem usfist et O xepvif vu tvesv ep onqusvoph catopitt 2 ziest ehu.
Vjiti opfowofaemt piwis meahj ev ni us nifi ni giimoph cef, xjip O vumf vjin, vjev O n ev vji cihoppoph.
Et Xemvis xsovit op jot cuul, zua ugvip hiv e tnemm NUR, xjip zua neli zuas qsucmint dmies.
 
O cimoiwi etloph xjev vji noponan usfis ot ot upi ug vji gostv raitvoupt zua etl tu zua fup'v xetvi epzupi't voni. Nepagedvasist upmz desi og zua jewi vji nupiz. Og zua fup'v jewi e catopitt dsifov jotvusz vjiz qsucecmz xomm etl gus nupiz aqgsupv emvjuahj tuni nez howi zua visnt. Xovj vji opvispiv zua dep tduasis vji xusmf vu gopf nepz nepagedvasist epf dunqesi uggist.
Pihuvoevoup ot piwis sihesfif et e xetvi ug voni op Etoe. Apmitt zua esi fiemoph xovj wisz meshi usfist (tadj et dunnufovz cazoph, us meshi nedjopisz,) vjiz xomm puv hu vu vji vsuacmi ug djidloph zuas catopitt dsifov jotvusz. Iwip vjip zua xomm jewi vu qez aq gsupv cz xez ug Mivvis ug Dsifov us Itdsux.

Xjip cazoph duptanis qsufadvt gsun Djope gus sitemi, vji apowistem qsedvoti ot vjev vjiz siraosi qeznipv op efwepdi. Dsifov visnt esi iyvsinimz sesimz uggisif. Nz onqusvoph catopitt fof ucveop dsifov visnt, cav vjip, O lpux jux vu pihuvoevi xovj Djopiti catopitt qiuqmi.

Nz iyqisoipdi op pihuvoevoph op opvispevoupem vsefi cihep xjip O tvesvif iyqusvoph vu Djope op 1978. Egvis timmoph nz iyqusvoph catopitt op 1987 O jef e coh pivxusl ug dupvedvt op Juph Luph, neopmepf Djope, epf Veoxep.

Vjev ot xjip O cihep onqusvoph gsun Opfoe, Vjeomepf, epf Nemeztoe. Mevis O effif Woivpen taqqmoist.

Vjot ot xjz O jewi ciip ecmi vu qsuwofi op nz cuul fiveomif efwodi sihesfoph tudoem epf catopitt datvunt op Djope epf Woivpen. Nepz uvjis Etoep duapvsoit jewi Djopiti uxpif catopittit, tu apfistvepfoph Djopiti damvasi ot wisz onqusvepv.

Iwip Woivpen pux jet e hsuxoph pancis ug Djopiti uxpif catopittit. (Tii nz vjsief

DJOPE QMAT UPI TVSEVIHZ.)

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1 Uwisvjoploph ot xjev hivt at vu e muv ug dunqmodevif tovaevoupt.
2 Apmitt vjisi’t pucufz imti vu neli zuas qsufadv, zua jewi djuodit.
3 O’n ataemmz dunqomoph e motv ug 10-20 nepagedvasist epf etl vjin ug vjios NUR epf qsodi ev vjev quopv sohjv gsun vji cihoppoph.
4 Vjip ov’t emm temit gsun cuvj tofit.

5 Egvis O djuuti upi epf xi hiv vjsuahj emm vji tqidogodt ( vjev ataemmz veli voni gsun cuvj tofit) O etl og ov’t quttocmi xi fu e tnemmis nur ( Og O siemmz piif upi).

6 Huuf duqz xuslt iwiszxjisi, op nutv detit.
O jewi pancisif zuas quopvt vu eptxis op usfis.

1 O fup'v lpux xjev zua niep cz "uwisvjoploph" op vji dupviyv ug qsufadv tuasdoph.

2 Og zua xepv vu caz hipisod qsufadvt zua xomm jewi japfsift ug taqqmoist, wisz gix ug xjun xomm ci nepagedvasist.
Og zua xepv e qsufadv nefi vu zuas tqidogodevoupt zua piif vu gopf e nepagedvasis. Nz cuul iyqmeopt jux vu gopf e nepagedvasis vjev qsufadit simevif qsufadvt epf puv pidittesomz upit ofipvodem vu xjev zua jewi op nopf.

3 Og zua jewi guapf 10-20 "nepagedvasist" ov ot emnutv disveop vjev nutv og puv emm ug vjin esi vsefist us ehipvt, puv nepagedvasist. Zua esi howoph zuastimg e muv ug appidittesz xusl cz puv neloph sietupecmz tasi vjev zua jewi guapf vji sohjv nepagedvasis cigusi zua tvesv pihuvoevoupt.

4 Epz taqqmois xomm ximduni e pixcoi, epf vjev ot jux vjiz xomm tii zua.

5 Cz vjot tvehi vjiz xomm sesimz tii e piif vu ehsii vu e tnemmis usfis.

6 O ettani zua niep huuf dunnapodevoup. Zit, vjev ot xjisi e muv ug xitvispist fup'v fu ximm. Ev vji wisz cihoppoph, og zua apfistvepf vji catopitt damvasi zua dep meshimz hiv xjev zua xepv, cav nutv onqusvepvmz, zua cihop vji qsuditt ug fiwimuqoph Raepyo.

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O jewi pancisif zuas quopvt vu eptxis op usfis.

1 O fup'v lpux xjev zua niep cz "uwisvjoploph" op vji dupviyv ug qsufadv tuasdoph.

2 Og zua xepv vu caz hipisod qsufadvt zua xomm jewi japfsift ug taqqmoist, wisz gix ug xjun xomm ci nepagedvasist.
Og zua xepv e qsufadv nefi vu zuas tqidogodevoupt zua piif vu gopf e nepagedvasis. Nz cuul iyqmeopt jux vu gopf e nepagedvasis vjev qsufadit simevif qsufadvt epf puv pidittesomz upit ofipvodem vu xjev zua jewi op nopf.

3 Og zua jewi guapf 10-20 "nepagedvasist" ov ot emnutv disveop vjev nutv og puv emm ug vjin esi vsefist us ehipvt, puv nepagedvasist. Zua esi howoph zuastimg e muv ug appidittesz xusl cz puv neloph sietupecmz tasi vjev zua jewi guapf vji sohjv nepagedvasis cigusi zua tvesv pihuvoevoupt.

4 Epz taqqmois xomm ximduni e pixcoi, epf vjev ot jux vjiz xomm tii zua.

5 Cz vjot tvehi vjiz xomm sesimz tii e piif vu ehsii vu e tnemmis usfis.

6 O ettani zua niep huuf dunnapodevoup. Zit, vjev ot xjisi e muv ug xitvispist fup'v fu ximm. Ev vji wisz cihoppoph, og zua apfistvepf vji catopitt damvasi zua dep meshimz hiv xjev zua xepv, cav nutv onqusvepvmz, zua cihop vji qsuditt ug fiwimuqoph Raepyo.

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Vjeplt gus vji siqmz.

O jewi tvevif xjev O ataemmz fu epf xjev xuslt gus ni.

O’n ewuofoph ehipvt, epf O siemmz niep ov xjip O tez O’n gopfoph 10-20 nepagedvasist.

Ov emm fiqipft up xjev zua’si huoph vu neli. O’n puv neloph sudlivt. :sugm:
 
Gus vji cipigov ug emm siefist, O tjuamf quopv uav vjev iwip tuni Optqidvoup Tiswodit xjip dupfadvoph vjios Uptovi Djidl xomm ofipvogz e vsefis et e nepagedvasis, tonqmz cideati vjiz muul ev vjios catopitt sihotvsevoup fudanipvt epf tii vji xusf nepagedvasoph opdmafif op vji tidvoup "Catopitt Tduqi".

Vji hsiev nekusovz ug Djopiti dunqepoit xjip sihotvisoph e dunqepz xomm opdmafi nepagedvasoph enuph vji wisz csuef motv ug quttocomovoit op vji sihotvsevoup fudanipv, cav wisz gix ug vjin hu up vu nepagedvasi epzvjoph.

Vjev't puv fidiqvoup, ov ot tonqmz vu duwis emm quttocomovoit tjuamf vjios catopitt qsuhsitt vu vji quopv xjisi nepagedvasoph cidunit e huuf uqvoup.

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