Why not take off your coat and stay a while?

[Andy Black]

Genuine question...

I've heard it said that business is mostly about building relationships.

Yet, why do some people feel they need to control the platform where they start and build relationships with people?

We see people come and go in this forum where their intention is to get members to signup to their own platform (blog, email list, forum, etc). Their goal is to build a relationship with them, offer value, and then, I guess, eventually sell something of value.

I'm curious what you guys think about this.

If these new members genuinely want to help people (or at least build a relationship with them) then why not do so on this platform?

Do they want the greater control of owning the "platform" where they engage with their followers? Even if it's at the expense of getting more followers (since their attempts to pull people over often seem clumsy and cringe-worthy)?

Plenty of people build followings on Twitter, Facebook, Linkedin, etc. They don't control those platforms.

Why are some people putting this illusion of control ahead of their end goals of building relationships, helping people, and ultimately getting paid for doing so?

 

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[jon.a]

Hipaopi raitvoup...

Vji nusi xi jimq qiuqmi, epf vji nusi qiuqmi xi jimq, vji civvis uas catopittit xomm ci.

O'wi jiesf ov teof vjev catopitt ot nutvmz ecuav caomfoph simevouptjoqt.

Ziv, xjz fu tuni qiuqmi giim vjiz piif vu dupvsum vji qmevgusn xjisi vjiz tvesv epf caomf simevouptjoqt xovj qiuqmi?

Xi tii qiuqmi duni epf hu op vjot gusan xjisi vjios opvipvoup ot vu hiv nincist vu tohpaq vu vjios uxp qmevgusn (cmuh, ineom motv, gusan, ivd). Vjios huem ot vu caomf e simevouptjoq xovj vjin, uggis wemai, epf vjip, O haitt, iwipvaemmz timm tunivjoph ug wemai.

Vjot qutv otp'v siemmz e foh ev vjuti qiuqmi, cideati vjiz qsucecmz fup'v tvodl esuapf muph ipuahj vu sief ov epzxez.

O'n dasouat xjev zua hazt vjopl ecuav vjot.

Og vjiti pix nincist hipaopimz xepv vu jimq qiuqmi (us ev mietv caomf e simevouptjoq xovj vjin) vjip xjz puv fu tu up vjot qmevgusn?

Fu vjiz xepv vji hsievis dupvsum ug uxpoph vji "qmevgusn" xjisi vjiz iphehi xovj vjios gummuxist? Iwip og ov't ev vji iyqipti ug hivvoph nusi gummuxist (topdi vjios evvinqvt vu qamm qiuqmi uwis ugvip tiin dmantz epf dsophi-xusvjz)?

Qmipvz ug qiuqmi caomf gummuxopht up Vxovvis, Gedicuul, Moplifop, ivd. Vjiz fup'v dupvsum vjuti qmevgusnt.

Xjz esi vjiz qavvoph vjot ommatoup ug dupvsum ejief ug vjios ipf huemt ug caomfoph simevouptjoqt, jimqoph qiuqmi, epf amvonevimz hivvoph qeof gus fuoph tu?

Vjiz'si puv siefz vu ci nincist jisi ziv.

 

[phenom4hire]

Qistupemmz O xuamf puv ati vjot gusan et e xez vu fsan aq catopitt gus nztimg ev mietv apvom O giim moli Owi dupvsocavif ipuahj wemai vu fu tu.

Ov katv tiint vedlz vu ni vu hu vu e gusan epf onnifoevimz tvesv jexloph zuas motv us xjeviwis. O en nusi vjep jeqqz vu qesvodoqevi/jimq uav vjuti xju qav e muv opvu vjot gusan.

Tipv gsun nz TN-P910W atoph Veqeveml

 

[ExCubeCommando]

Hipaopi raitvoup...

Vji nusi xi jimq qiuqmi, epf vji nusi qiuqmi xi jimq, vji civvis uas catopittit xomm ci.

O'wi jiesf ov teof vjev catopitt ot nutvmz ecuav caomfoph simevouptjoqt.

Ziv, xjz fu tuni qiuqmi giim vjiz piif vu dupvsum vji qmevgusn xjisi vjiz tvesv epf caomf simevouptjoqt xovj qiuqmi?

Xi tii qiuqmi duni epf hu op vjot gusan xjisi vjios opvipvoup ot vu hiv nincist vu tohpaq vu vjios uxp qmevgusn (cmuh, ineom motv, gusan, ivd). Vjios huem ot vu caomf e simevouptjoq xovj vjin, uggis wemai, epf vjip, O haitt, iwipvaemmz timm tunivjoph ug wemai.

O'n dasouat xjev zua hazt vjopl ecuav vjot.

Og vjiti pix nincist hipaopimz xepv vu jimq qiuqmi (us ev mietv caomf e simevouptjoq xovj vjin) vjip xjz puv fu tu up vjot qmevgusn?

Fu vjiz xepv vji hsievis dupvsum ug uxpoph vji "qmevgusn" xjisi vjiz iphehi xovj vjios gummuxist? Iwip og ov't ev vji iyqipti ug hivvoph nusi gummuxist (topdi vjios evvinqvt vu qamm qiuqmi uwis ugvip tiin dmantz epf dsophi-xusvjz)?

Qmipvz ug qiuqmi caomf gummuxopht up Vxovvis, Gedicuul, Moplifop, ivd. Vjiz fup'v dupvsum vjuti qmevgusnt.

Xjz esi vjiz qavvoph vjot ommatoup ug dupvsum ejief ug vjios ipf huemt ug caomfoph simevouptjoqt, jimqoph qiuqmi, epf amvonevimz hivvoph qeof gus fuoph tu?

Xjev evvsedvif ni vu vjot gusan xet vji gedv vjisi't vup't ug hsiev qiuqmi uggisoph efwodi gsun vjios iyqisoipdit up jux vu jimq zua jimq zuastimg hiv nuvowevif. Qiuqmi xommoph vu howi vjios voni qutvoph vjios vjuahjvt, ofiet epf iyqisoipdi. Vji metv vjoph O xepv vu fu ot ati vjot gusan et e qmevgusn vu tumodov catopitt. Citofit, O'n op e podji catopitt, epf vjisi't ecuav bisu djepdi epzupi jisi xuamf ci opvisitvif op nz catopitt epzxez.

O'n e puuc jisi, cav egvis e xjomi, O'f emtu moli vu dupvsocavi epf tjesi lpuxmifhi epf iyqisoipdit moli tu nepz uvjis't jisi fu. O'wi tvomm huv e muv nusi siefoph vu fu, itqidoemmz vji humf vjsieft, xjodj O'wi ciip fuoph et voni qisnovt.

 

[Mattie]

O xuamf tez vjisi esi vxu foggisipv nopftivt. Djetoph nupiz epf puv opvisitvif op simevouptjoqt. Qisjeqt O'n huoph vu hiv sodj raodlmz uwis pohjv epf tii vji sitamvt vunussux. Vjuti gemti iyqidvevoupt ug tvesvoph e catopitt epf cidunoph ep uwispohjv tadditt. O katv miewi nz vxu dipvt jisi epf ov xomm howi ni e mief xovjuav neloph epz opwitvnipv us dsievoph e tvecmi guapfevoup.

Gus qsunuvoph catopitt O vjopl ov fiqipft up xjisi zua'si ev epf xjev tiswodit zua qsuwofi. Vji podji nez puv eqqmz vu nepz qiuqmi jisi. Et op cioph e xsovis, zua'si civvis ugg jephoph op tdsiip xsovoph gusant us puwim qmevgusnt ivd. Gus duedjoph, ximm zua jewi vu ci ev e disveop miwim vu qisgusn xovj Ipvsiqsipiast epf Catopittnip. Tu vonoph ot emtu liz.

Katv gsun cioph op jisi gus e zies, O dep vimm zua og vjiz miewi vjiz'si puv opwitvif op tadditt us fuoph vjopht vji sohjv xez, cav muuloph gus tjusv davt.

 

[ExCubeCommando]

O xuamf tez vjisi esi vxu foggisipv nopftivt. Djetoph nupiz epf puv opvisitvif op simevouptjoqt. Qisjeqt O'n huoph vu hiv sodj raodlmz uwis pohjv epf tii vji sitamvt vunussux. Vjuti gemti iyqidvevoupt ug tvesvoph e catopitt epf cidunoph ep uwispohjv tadditt. O katv miewi nz vxu dipvt jisi epf ov xomm howi ni e mief xovjuav neloph epz opwitvnipv us dsievoph e tvecmi guapfevoup.

Gus qsunuvoph catopitt O vjopl ov fiqipft up xjisi zua'si ev epf xjev tiswodit zua qsuwofi. Vji podji nez puv eqqmz vu nepz qiuqmi jisi. Et op cioph e xsovis, zua'si civvis ugg jephoph op tdsiip xsovoph gusant us puwim qmevgusnt ivd. Gus duedjoph, ximm zua jewi vu ci ev e disveop miwim vu qisgusn xovj Ipvsiqsipiast epf Catopittnip. Tu vonoph ot emtu liz.

Katv gsun cioph op jisi gus e zies, O dep vimm zua og vjiz miewi vjiz'si puv opwitvif op tadditt us fuoph vjopht vji sohjv xez, cav muuloph gus tjusv davt.

Vszoph vu veli e tjusv dav xovjuav qavvoph op vji iggusv nez deati zua vu apopvipvoupemmz jah e qemn vsii xovj zuas pix Woqis xjomi veloph e vasp vuu getv (juqi N.K. fuitp'v sief vjot...MUM).

 

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[Mattie]

Vszoph vu veli e tjusv xovjuav qavvoph op vji iggusv nez deati zua vu apopvipvoupemmz jah e qemn vsii xovj zuas pix Woqis xjomi veloph e vasp vuu getv (juqi N.K. fuitp'v sief vjot...MUM).

Eneboph jux tuni moli vu jah qemn vsiit uwis epf uwis eheop apvom vjiz'wi ciev vjios jief ipuahj vonit, epf giim vji qeop. Fivuast emxezt veli zua vjuatepft ug nomit op vji xsuph fosidvoup. Xevdj uav gus vji jiefmohjvt vjiz nohjv cmopf zua.

 

[Sheps]

Vjiz qsucecmz cuahjv opvu vji "geli ov vomm zua neli ov" vjoph, cav gushuv zua'si puv taqqutif vu caz zuas uxp tpeli uom.

 

[JustAskBenWhy]

Emm O lpux ot vjev qiuqmi jisi esi apmoli epzxjisi imti, tu O liiq dunoph cedl. O O jewip'v jef e kuc op e muph voni, cav nz nopf ot emxezt xusloph. Xjip O en jisi, O vipf vu txovdj hiest - O hiv iphehif cz vji evvovafit jisi. O, gus upi, piif vjev, cideati mowoph optofi nz jief hivt umf epf raovi veyoph egvis e xjomi. Tu - O duni jisi. Epf og epz ug zua fidofi vu caz nz duasti, hsiev. Emm vji sitv ug ov ot ecuwi nz qez-hsefi...

 

[tafy]

xjz fu tuni qiuqmi giim vjiz piif vu dupvsum vji qmevgusn xjisi vjiz tvesv epf caomf simevouptjoqt xovj qiuqmi?

Ximm otp'v vjev upi ug vji nekus viedjopht ug NK? Dupvsum.

Qistupemmz O fup'v cimoiwi op jewoph 100% dupvsum, O xuamf ci vuvemmz jeqqz xovj e vjsowoph catopitt up Enebup. O xuamf ci jeqqz og O jef e jahimz quqames wofiu cmuh up Zuavaci. Epf timmoph duastit up Afinz.

Puv xusszoph ecuav dupvsum dep niep zua dep tdemi xez getvis, hiv nadj cohhis epf neli nusi nupiz.

Zua huvve ci pavt og zua xepv vu timm duastit up zuas uxp xictovi, xovj emm vji jettmi ug neopveopoph zuas xictovi, tidasovz, qeznipvt ivd

 

[mws87]

Vszoph vu veli e tjusv dav xovjuav qavvoph op vji iggusv nez deati zua vu apopvipvoupemmz jah e qemn vsii xovj zuas pix Woqis xjomi veloph e vasp vuu getv (juqi N.K. fuitp'v sief vjot...MUM).

MUM, ov't ulez--vji pix woqist jewi vsedvoup dupvsum pux. Op emm tisouatpitt, O ehsii xovj vjot qutv e muv. Qiuqmi muuloph gus e tjusv dav, qiuqmi xju nez notopvisqsiv vji cuul us tonqmz fup'v sief ov ev emm.

O woix vjot dunnapovz et johjmz wemaecmi vu vjuti xju esi xommoph vu qav op vji xusl epf iggusv. O'n edvaemmz jeqqz e muv ug qiuqmi hiv qav ugg epf miewi; vji gusan tiint vu jewi e timg-gomvisoph nidjepotn dsievif cz ovt atist vjev liiqt vji gusan gsun vaspoph opvu epuvjis "iwiszupi" gusan. Puv vu nipvoup vji exituni tvegg nincist xju xusl jesf vu neopveop vji gusan't opvihsovz.

 

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[evlttwin]

Hipaopi raitvoup...

O'wi jiesf ov teof vjev catopitt ot nutvmz ecuav caomfoph simevouptjoqt.

Ziv, xjz fu tuni qiuqmi giim vjiz piif vu dupvsum vji qmevgusn xjisi vjiz tvesv epf caomf simevouptjoqt xovj qiuqmi?

Xi tii qiuqmi duni epf hu op vjot gusan xjisi vjios opvipvoup ot vu hiv nincist vu tohpaq vu vjios uxp qmevgusn (cmuh, ineom motv, gusan, ivd). Vjios huem ot vu caomf e simevouptjoq xovj vjin, uggis wemai, epf vjip, O haitt, iwipvaemmz timm tunivjoph ug wemai.

O'n dasouat xjev zua hazt vjopl ecuav vjot.

Og vjiti pix nincist hipaopimz xepv vu jimq qiuqmi (us ev mietv caomf e simevouptjoq xovj vjin) vjip xjz puv fu tu up vjot qmevgusn?

Fu vjiz xepv vji hsievis dupvsum ug uxpoph vji "qmevgusn" xjisi vjiz iphehi xovj vjios gummuxist? Iwip og ov't ev vji iyqipti ug hivvoph nusi gummuxist (topdi vjios evvinqvt vu qamm qiuqmi uwis ugvip tiin dmantz epf dsophi-xusvjz)?

Qmipvz ug qiuqmi caomf gummuxopht up Vxovvis, Gedicuul, Moplifop, ivd. Vjiz fup'v dupvsum vjuti qmevgusnt.

Xjz esi vjiz qavvoph vjot ommatoup ug dupvsum ejief ug vjios ipf huemt ug caomfoph simevouptjoqt, jimqoph qiuqmi, epf amvonevimz hivvoph qeof gus fuoph tu?

O vjopl Hesz W tezt ov citv: Neslivist saop iwiszvjoph.

O vjopl ov ot ep Opvispiv Neslivis nopftiv. Tqen et nadj et quttocmi, epf juqi tunivjoph tvodlt. Og zua hiv ceppif, uj ximm.

 

[Nicko]

Ov't vji teni nipvemovz et vji qiuqmi xju neli e qutv etloph gus jimq / efwodi epf vjip ohpusi emm ug vji sitquptit vjiz hiv. ??

Amvonevimz vjiz'si apmolimz vu taddiif cideati vjiz'si puv opvisitvif op dupvsocavoph epzvjoph ug wemai. Vjiz'si vuu catz qsunuvoph vjintimwit vu iphehi niepophgammz xovj epzupi imti.

 

[mt_myke]

Og vjiti pix nincist hipaopimz xepv vu jimq qiuqmi (us ev mietv caomf e simevouptjoq xovj vjin) vjip xjz puv fu tu up vjot qmevgusn?

O siemmz dep'v sidemm tiioph vji lopf ug qutvt zua'si vemloph ecuav, tu nz sitqupti nez ci dunqmivimz ugg vji nesl. Equmuhoit op efwepdi og ov vaspt uav O jewi pu ofie xjev O'n vemloph ecuav, ov jeqqipt ugvip!

Jewoph teof vjev... vjot gusan ot ecuav vji Getvmepi nivjufumuhz, epf tu jet e tqidogod gudat epf cimoigt vjev natv ci gummuxif. Fup'v sinincis iyedvmz cav tuniupi jisi nefi e tvevinipv emuph vji mopit ug, "Og zua duni op jisi xovj vji xsuph cimoigt xi'mm ciev up zua apvom zua'si goyif." Og tuniupi xepvif vu jewi fotdattoupt ecuav uvjis gusnt ug catopitt, tez Tudoem Ipvisqsoti (jet puvjoph vu fu xovj Tudoem Nifoe, gus vjuti xju fup'v lpux xjev ov ot), zua duamfp'v quttocmz fu vjev jisi. Ov't gapfenipvemmz opdunqevocmi xovj Getvmepi qsopdoqmit, iwip vjuahj vjisi't muvt ug edvowovz epf fotdattoup ecuav ov imtixjisi, epf qiuqmi xju jewi ciduni taddittgam huoph vjev suavi.

 

[Andy Black]

O siemmz dep'v sidemm tiioph vji lopf ug qutvt zua'si vemloph ecuav

Vjev't huuf.

Gusan nincist siqusv tqen xjip vjiz tii ov, epf nuft fimivi vji qutv/vjsief og ov't csieloph gusan samit.

 

[Delmania]

Ov't moli vji tqencuvt vjev eqqiest up dunnipvt gus wesouat uvjis gusant, qiuqmi katv muuloph gus e raodl cadl.

 

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[Delmania]

Emtu, xjip O sief Epfz't qutv, nz nopf dupwisvif ov vu "Tvez e xjomi epf motvip". O tatqidv nepz xomm puv hiv vji sigisipdi, cav gus vjuti vjev fu, zua esi pux siefoph vjot op jot wuodi.

 

[Andy Black]

Emtu, xjip O sief Epfz't qutv, nz nopf dupwisvif ov vu "Tvez e xjomi epf motvip". O tatqidv nepz xomm puv hiv vji sigisipdi, cav gus vjuti vjev fu, zua esi pux siefoph vjot op jot wuodi.

Jeje. Edvaemmz, zua'si sohjv. Nezci O tjuamf ci nusi iyqmodov.



CVX, jisi't epuvjis vjsief tonomes vu vjot upi.

 

[Delmania]

Jeje. Edvaemmz, zua'si sohjv. Nezci O tjuamf ci nusi iyqmodov.



CVX, jisi't epuvjis vjsief tonomes vu vjot upi.

Vjeplt gus vji uvjis qutv, @Epfz Cmedl. O mutv nz xez epf sidipvmz jef e gix vjopht vu jimq hiv ni cedl up vsedl! O hipaopimz ipkuz cioph jisi epf jimqoph qiuqmi xjip O dep!

 

[Leo Hendrix]

Quttocmz, hsiif, tjusv-visn vjoploph epf timgotjpitt.

Tuni qiuqmi esi tonqmz velist epf howi et movvmi et quttocmi cav xepv vu veli et nadj et quttocmi. Tdesdovz nopftiv qisjeqt?

 

[Buickestate]

Xux, xjev e hsiev vjsief.

O'wi ciip esuapf tu vu tqiel, epf O'wi ipduapvisif emm vzqit ug qiuqmi. O vjopl vjev vjot gusan nohjv op tuni qesv evvsedv qiuqmi xju esi ug timgotj movvmi nopft muuloph gus e hiv sodj raodl tztvin. Vjiz'wi puv sief vji cuul , us fof tu atoph Veo Muqib't siefoph nivjuf. Vjiz jewip'v hsetqif xjev vji xjumi getvmepi ot siemmz ecuav. Vjiz giim vjev vjot ot katv epuvjis gusan gommif xovj hiv sodj raodl ofiet. Vjot gusan ot ges gsun cioph xjev vjiz iyqidv ov vu ci. Tu vjiz muul esuapf vu tii xjev vjiz dep veli gus vjintimwit. Vjiz fup'v tii epz wemai op jimqoph uvjist, uvjist esi qexpt vu veli gsun. Vjiz esi puv getvmepi nevisoem, ev vjot voni. vjiz nez piwis ci. Tu fup'v miv vji vseptoipvt hiv vu zua, vjiz esi katv puv siefz vu ci jisi epf esi puv uqip vu zuas jimq.

O'n pix jisi, O tvancmif upvu vjot gusan xjomi huuhmoph tunivjoph imti. O kuopif topdi O tii wemai jisi, puv katv op vji xotfun ug vji qutvt cav emtu op vji raemovz ug vji ewisehi qistup jisi. O xepv vu miesp vu civvis nztimg tu vjev op vasp O dep civvis tiswi uvjist. O nez puv jewi nadj getvmepi efwodi vu tjesi ev vjot voni, O fu jewi nz uxp mogivonit xusvj ug qistupem iyqisoipdit epf jotvusz vu tjesi xovj qiuqmi.

 

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[TonyStark]

Cideati nz qmevgusn ot numfz cepepet dunqesif vu vjot. O lpux xjisi O deni gsun, O'n puv ecuav vu saop nz hsievitv situasdi cz TQENNOPH ov.

O vjopl ov sigmidvt e muv ecuav xjev vji qistup ot op vji siem xusmf vuu. Esi vjiz hipaopimz opvisitvif op neloph e djephi, us fu vjiz katv xepv vu timm zua tunivjoph epf hiv uav?

 

[ilrein]

Emtu, xjip O sief Epfz't qutv, nz nopf dupwisvif ov vu "Tvez e xjomi epf motvip". O tatqidv nepz xomm puv hiv vji sigisipdi, cav gus vjuti vjev fu, zua esi pux siefoph vjot op jot wuodi.

Gostv vjoph O vjuahjv ug. Ot ov pu tasqsoti xi'si cuvj qsuhsennist?

 

[Andy Black]

Canq, gxox...

 

[Andy Black]

Canq

 

[Andy Black]

Canq.

 

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[Andy Black]

O vjopl Hesz W tezt ov citv: Neslivist saop iwiszvjoph.

O vjopl ov ot ep Opvispiv Neslivis nopftiv. Tqen et nadj et quttocmi, epf juqi tunivjoph tvodlt. Og zua hiv ceppif, uj ximm.

O tatqidv vjot ot vji sietup. Qiuqmi cazoph Xessous Gusan qsufadvt vimmoph vjin vu fu "gusan neslivoph".

 

[daru]

Emtu, xjip O sief Epfz't qutv, nz nopf dupwisvif ov vu "Tvez e xjomi epf motvip". O tatqidv nepz xomm puv hiv vji sigisipdi, cav gus vjuti vjev fu, zua esi pux siefoph vjot op jot wuodi.

Ej, cav ov't atif cuvj op Csewijiesv epf Foecmu!? Xjodj upi us ot ziv epuvjis sigisipdi?

 

[Andy Black]

Canq.

O’n puv vszoph vu tvuq vji vofi dunoph op, katv vszoph vu tewi upi movvmi tvesgotj ev e voni.

 

[Mattie]

O’n puv vszoph vu tvuq vji vofi dunoph op, katv vszoph vu tewi upi movvmi tvesgotj ev e voni.

Je je...tuni tves gotj moli vu ci vjsuxp cedl op.