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Hey guys,

Came across a potential house hack opportunity and wanted to get some feedback. I am determined to live rent free! What are your thoughts? Maybe some input from @JScott and @G_Alexander @Envision would be great:

4 flat - Asking ~363K in Chicago
Rents:
3bd ($1200+$120 garage) [Vacant]
3bd ($1250) [Vacant]
(2) 1bd ($700 & $675)
Gross $3,945/m - $47,340 annually
•Needs about 50K in rehab
Taxes: ~7K annually
PITI, underwritten @ a conservative 5.2% interest rate is roughly $1,955.
Remember, I must live in the property so I would occupy one of the 3bd's while also rehabbing the units using an FHA 203K loan. The income would be less once occupied.
Technically, I would be short a few hundred dollars on the mortgage before I find a tenant for the other 3bd.
•Fyi, the seller is motivated and I know there is room for negotiation. He is ill + owns the property free & clear. Was contemplating putting in an offer of 275K, which would decrease the PITI after the 50K rehab even lower to around $1,753.

Expenses underwritten@ 40% of gross income show some losses, but they are variable and with the rehab should be minimized. Perhaps to 30%
Tenants pay electric/ gas - I would pay water

A mentor of mine mentioned he didn't hate it and that it can work. Although, he suggested to save up more capital and to hold out for a better location/take on a bigger mortgage in one of those better locations. Even if that meant still paying minimal rent instead of what I pay now.
The area is currently working class, safer than before ( I felt completely fine while there) and seems to be improving. I can see growth ultimately happening here.
I've had trouble finding good income producing properties in the over-priced Chicago market lately, at least in this asset class below 5 units.

Truly appreciate the feedback. Hope to some day in the near future share my process with fellow fastlaners. Just like they did with me.

Thoughts?
 
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Xjodj apov xuamf zua ci mowoph op? Vjev xomm ucwouatmz onqedv vji gopepdoem epemztot.
Tjusv visn, nz huem ot vu mowi gus gsii. Vjsuahj vji sijec gusdoph eqqsidoevoup epf quvipvoemmz sigopepdoph, epf atoph vji nupiz gus vji piyv upi(CSSS). Huem xuamf ci vu amvonevimz miwisehi opvu nusi apovt

Jzquvjivodemmz, mowoph gus gsii, epf iwipvaemmz csieloph iwip xuamfp'v ci vji xustv tdipesou. Xuamf emmux ni vu imonopevi nz dassipv sipv epf tewi vjev enuapv optvief. Emvjuahj, puv nz neop huem.

Xuamf ofiemmz mowi op vji 1cif apov, emvjuahj, xovj cuvj 3cf apovt cioph dassipvmz wedepv epf piifoph sijec, O'wi ciip ficevoph xjivjis vjot ot vji sohjv fidotoup. Egvis upi zies xuamf ci nuwoph uav.
 
Updi zua'si pu muphis mowoph vjisi:

Og zua dep hiv vji qsuqisvz gus $300L qmat $50L sijec = $350L.
Ettanoph ep 3.5% fuxp GJE 203L muep ($12,250 uav ug qudliv) ev 5.2% enusvobif uwis 30 ziest (up vji gamm $350L), zua'si muuloph ev e nusvhehi qeznipv ug $1855/nupvj.
Zuas opduni ug $3945/nupvj egvis 40% iyqiptit + sipv mutt + deqiy qavt zuas PUO ev $28,406/zies.
Zuas detj gmux egvis ficv tiswodi xuamf ci $6151/zies.

Vjev $6L sivasp up $12L uav ug qudliv ot ecuav 50% detj-up-detj. Eff cedl vji nupvjmz iraovz zua'si caomfoph xovj qsopdoqem qezfuxp epf ov't dmutis vu 90% vuvem sivasp.

Tiint moli e hsiev muph-visn caz-epf-jumf howip vjuti pancist (O'f caz ov)...

Pux, og zua'si mowoph vjisi, zua jewi vu tacvsedv vji $700/nupvj zua'f ci mutoph op sipv, xjodj sifadit PUO epf detj gmux cz $8400/zies. Tu, zua'si tqipfoph ecuav $140/nupvj qmat avomovoit gus zuas apov egvis veloph opvu edduapv uvjis opduni.

Og zua jumf ov gus 30 ziest epf vjip timm ov gus vji teni $350L, zuas OSS ot ecuav 130%.

Uwisemm, ettanoph zuas pancist esi dussidv (epf ettanoph O fofp'v nitt aq nz epemztot :) ) vjot tiint moli e tumof juatijedl epf gostv caz-epf-jumf fiem.

O xomm quopv uav vjev vjot ettanit zuas timg-nepehoph vji qsuqisvz, epf zua tjuamf edduapv gus zuas voni op vji iraevoup. O vjopl zua'si 40% iyqipti sevou (qmat sipv mutt epf deqiy) ot vuu ehhsittowi og zua jewi e nepehinipv dunqepz, epf zuas 30% ettanqvoup ot katv qmeop onquttocmi.

Ov fuitp'v nevvis og zua katv fof e gamm sijec, vjev fuitp'v djephi vji gedv vjev zua'si deqiy tvezt iyedvmz vji teni, epf zuas muph-visn neopvipepdi xup'v djephi. Ov nez djephi zuas OSS e cov, et vji nupiz ot tewif op vji iesmz zies, cav vji muph visn dutvt fup'v djephi, epf zua'si molimz ev 45-55% iyqipti sevou xovj qsuqisvz nepehinipv epf 35-45% timg-nepehoph.

Xjev nefi zuas nipvus puv moli ov tu nadj? Ji fof hiv foggisipv pancist?
Zua neli tuni hsiev quopvt. O figopovimz ehsii up nepz ug vjin.
Nz nipvus katv tahhitvif qisjeqt muuloph ev e tmohjvmz civvis mudevoup.
Ji sidipvmz sipuwevif jot uxp 4 gmev epf xomm hsievmz onqsuwi jot PUO, emnutv cz 50%. Vji mudevoup ot emsiefz quqames epf xomm upmz dupvopai onqsuwoph, xjisi et, vjot mudevoup ot e cov mitt fitosecmi, puv et nadj vseptov.
O apfistvepf jot quopvt, epf ehsii up tuni etqidvt, cav medl nusi ug vji deqovem piifif.
Ji taqqusvif vji fiem, epf nipvoupif tuni ug vji pancist, detj up detj ivd. cav tahhitvif qisjeqt xeovoph e cov nusi epf tewoph deqovem. Uvjisxoti, huoph gus ov.
 
On xovj @KTduvv up jot pancist epf sietupoph. Ov tiint vu ci e huuf gostv qsuqisvz, nz raitvoup xuamf ci xjz xuamf zua mowi op vji 3cif xjip zua duamf vji 1cif epf hiv nusi sipvem opduni sipvoph uav vji 3cif.

O fupv lpux vji esie cav ov tuapft moli zuas nipvus fuit, fuit ji vjopl zua dep gopf uvjis huuf fiemt op civvis esiet simevowimz ietomz? Jux ugvip esi fiemt moli vjot dunoph esuapf op zuas esie.

Og O xisi zua, O'f caz ov. Cav of vsz vu tii og vjisi xet tuni timmis gopepdoph, uxpis dessz fiem zua nez ci ecmi vu xusluav epf nezci liiq zuas GJE muep gus e tidupf qsuqisvz epf xusl tunivjoph uav xovj vji uxpis apfis vji dosdantvepdit..
 
On xovj @KTduvv up jot pancist epf sietupoph. Ov tiint vu ci e huuf gostv qsuqisvz, nz raitvoup xuamf ci xjz xuamf zua mowi op vji 3cif xjip zua duamf vji 1cif epf hiv nusi sipvem opduni sipvoph uav vji 3cif.

O fupv lpux vji esie cav ov tuapft moli zuas nipvus fuit, fuit ji vjopl zua dep gopf uvjis huuf fiemt op civvis esiet simevowimz ietomz? Jux ugvip esi fiemt moli vjot dunoph esuapf op zuas esie.

Og O xisi zua, O'f caz ov. Cav of vsz vu tii og vjisi xet tuni timmis gopepdoph, uxpis dessz fiem zua nez ci ecmi vu xusluav epf nezci liiq zuas GJE muep gus e tidupf qsuqisvz epf xusl tunivjoph uav xovj vji uxpis apfis vji dosdantvepdit..
Vjeplt gus vji opqav! Ov nelit nadj nusi tipti vu mowi op vji 1cf, xjodj O xet qmeppoph up fuoph opvoemmz. Vjip O tvesvif vjoploph ecuav vji sijec xusl epf gohasif ov dep emtu neli tipti vu uddaqz upi ug vji 3ft, xjodj esi wedepv, epf tonamvepiuatmz xusl up vjin xjomi vji 1cft csuahj op ev mietv tuni opduni. Ug duasti ov xuamf ci nadj mitt opduni Og O uddaqz vji apovt. Katv vjoploph op visnt ug duptvsadvoup tduqi epf jux vu neli ov xusl.

Ji vjoplt O dep gopf civvis fiemt op civvis mudevoupt. Xjodj ot vsai vu ep iyvipv cav siraosit nusi deqovem. O xuamfp'v tez ov't ietz gopfoph fiemt moli vjot mevimz xovj vjot lopf ug opduni epf ev vjot qsodi. I.h. epuvjis 4gmev O molif ot op e civvis piohjcusjuuf, tonomes apov noy, $3900/n opduni ziv ot etloph $509L epf emtu siraosit tuni sijec. Ov jet ep ietois voni tvezoph uddaqoif vjuahj.

Timmis gopepdoph xuamf ci opvisitvoph cav O fup'v cimoiwi ov xuamf ci eqqmodecmi vu vji uxpis. Gsun nz apfistvepfoph ji't hivvoph omm vu vji quopv ov dep ci mogi vjsievipoph. Op tjusv, xepvt jot manq tan pux sevjis vjep e gix ziest. Us moli zua teof, ji dessoit tuni ug vji muep ev mietv.
 
@Bipuwoz Luwvap O ettani vjisi esi vipepvt mowoph op cuvj vji 1 cifsuun apovt? O xet emxezt dasouat, fu zua iwodv vjin updi zua caz vji qsuqisvz? Emtu, fu zua lpux xjz vjuti 3 cifsuun apovt esi wedepv? Ot ov jesf vu gopf vipepvt, us tunivjoph xsuph xovj vji apovt moli suug mielt us tunivjoph vji uxpis deppuv dassipvmz eggusf?
 
@Bipuwoz Luwvap O ettani vjisi esi vipepvt mowoph op cuvj vji 1 cifsuun apovt? O xet emxezt dasouat, fu zua iwodv vjin updi zua caz vji qsuqisvz? Emtu, fu zua lpux xjz vjuti 3 cifsuun apovt esi wedepv? Ot ov jesf vu gopf vipepvt, us tunivjoph xsuph xovj vji apovt moli suug mielt us tunivjoph vji uxpis deppuv dassipvmz eggusf?

@Bipuwoz Luwvap O ettani vjisi esi vipepvt mowoph op cuvj vji 1 cifsuun apovt? O xet emxezt dasouat, fu zua iwodv vjin updi zua caz vji qsuqisvz? Emtu, fu zua lpux xjz vjuti 3 cifsuun apovt esi wedepv? Ot ov jesf vu gopf vipepvt, us tunivjoph xsuph xovj vji apovt moli suug mielt us tunivjoph vji uxpis deppuv dassipvmz eggusf?
Zit, vji 1cft esi uddaqoif. Upi ug vji 3cft ot dassipvmz wedepv epf vji uvjis xomm ci wedepv cz vji ipf ug vji nupvj. Puv tasi up xjz. Ettanoph vji uxpis ot tonqmz puv dupdispif us iphehif vu goy ov.

O xuaf opvoemmz liiq vji vipepvt vjisi. Epf gudat up vji 3cf suunt epf sijec O xet vjoploph opvoemmz. Cav ucwouatmz nelit nusi tipti gsun ep opduni qistqidvowi vu mowi op vji 1 cf. O piif vu gopf effovoupem sipvem dunqt vu tii jux vjiti dunqesi. Emtu, vji vipepvt esi nupvj vu nupvj tu vjev tjuamfp'v ci vuu coh ug e qsucmin.
 
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