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Hi folks, I want to share with you a concept that I recently bumped into. I think this is very valuable for the kind of people who are on this forum. Whether you are a wannabe entrepreneurs who is struggling to find an idea or a serial entrepreneurs who has failed a few times, this is for you. If you are that kind of person who has many business ideas but none of them seems to be working, this is for you. Even worse, if you have already spent a fortune to build your product or service and the market does not seem to buy into it, this is for you.

Here is the concept: Pretotyping.

No it's not a typo. It's a made up word to explain a more sophisticated concept. Basically the concept is this:

create a fake product and get people to buy it before you build it.

In this way, you can actually validate how customers will react to your product and whether the market is ready for it. Also, building a fake product and running experiments is usually way way cheaper then building the whole thing. Sounds familiar? that's exactly what Elon Musk did when he sold Teslas before they were even built.

Alberto Savoia, a serial entrepreneur and Innovation Agitator Emeritus at Google, explains this technique very well with lots of use cases and examples (watch the video below).

Mastering this technique will help us avoiding failure and stop losing money. I myself spent a few thousands dollars on developing 2 apps that never really got any traction. If I knew this technique I would have spent nothing and focused all my time and energy on the right idea.

I am curious to know what you think about this concept and have an open discussion about the topic.


PS. @MJ, for the title, I used the advice you gave us on this thread. I hope it does not violate the forum policies.
 
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QT. @NK, gus vji vovmi, O atif vji efwodi zua hewi at up vjot vjsief. O juqi ov fuit puv woumevi vji gusan qumodoit.

Je Je, tvsuph xusl!
 
Jisi ot vji dupdiqv: Qsivuvzqoph.
Podi vu gopemmz qav e peni vu ov.

Jewi e muul vjsuahj vji gusan, zua’mm tii ov sidunnipfif up iwisz vjsief vjev govt vji qasquti.

Vjot natv emtu ci effsittif:
Hu xovj vji djieqitv uqvoup.

Og zuas qjztodem qsufadv dutvt $400 vu neli epf zua dep vjip ati ov gus emm zuas neslivoph epf wemofevoup, fup’v hu tqipfoph $2l up e qjuvusiemotvod 3f sipfis.

Tuapft ucwouat, fuitp’v ov? Ziv ov jeqqipt, mum.


ifov: xipv vjsuahj vji xjumi wofiu.
gewuasovi rauvi ot “Geom Gisseso getv epf Goev djieq”
 
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dsievi e geli qsufadv epf hiv qiuqmi vu caz ov cigusi zua caomf ov.

Op vjot xez, zua dep edvaemmz wemofevi jux datvunist xomm siedv vu zuas qsufadv epf xjivjis vji nesliv ot siefz gus ov. Emtu, caomfoph e geli qsufadv epf sappoph iyqisonipvt ot ataemmz xez xez djieqis vjip caomfoph vji xjumi vjoph. Tuapft genomoes? vjev't iyedvmz xjev Imup Natl fof xjip ji tumf Vitmet cigusi vjiz xisi iwip caomv.

Vjot qsivvz nadj ot vji Lodltvesvis nufim.... efwisvoti epf nesliv zuas qsufadv et og ov edvaemmz iyotvif epf xjip vji nesliv sitqupft foh op epf iyidavi up ovt fiwimuqnipv. Vjeplt gus vji tjesi epf vji wof.
 
O'n dupwopdif cz vji ofie cav aptasi jux O dep fu vjot xovj ep ivtz qsufadv vjev O'n qmeppoph vu meapdj? Og O qmedi e geli ef up ivtz, epf miv't tez ov xuslt epf xi hiv tuni usfist, vjip xjev? O niep ug duasti O dep vjip hu epf dsievi vji qsufadv cav vjiz'mm jewi vu xeov nadj muphis epf cz vjip vjiz'mm depdim vjios usfis pu?
 
Jo gumlt, O xepv vu tjesi xovj zua e dupdiqv vjev O sidipvmz canqif opvu. O vjopl vjot ot wisz wemaecmi gus vji lopf ug qiuqmi xju esi up vjot gusan. Xjivjis zua esi e xeppeci ipvsiqsipiast xju ot tvsahhmoph vu gopf ep ofie us e tisoem ipvsiqsipiast xju jet geomif e gix vonit, vjot ot gus zua. Og zua esi vjev lopf ug qistup xju jet nepz catopitt ofiet cav pupi ug vjin tiint vu ci xusloph, vjot ot gus zua. Iwip xusti, og zua jewi emsiefz tqipv e gusvapi vu caomf zuas qsufadv us tiswodi epf vji nesliv fuit puv tiin vu caz opvu ov, vjot ot gus zua.

Jisi ot vji dupdiqv: Qsivuvzqoph.

Pu ov't puv e vzqu. Ov't e nefi aq xusf vu iyqmeop e nusi tuqjotvodevif dupdiqv. Cetodemmz vji dupdiqv ot vjot:

dsievi e geli qsufadv epf hiv qiuqmi vu caz ov cigusi zua caomf ov.

Op vjot xez, zua dep edvaemmz wemofevi jux datvunist xomm siedv vu zuas qsufadv epf xjivjis vji nesliv ot siefz gus ov. Emtu, caomfoph e geli qsufadv epf sappoph iyqisonipvt ot ataemmz xez xez djieqis vjip caomfoph vji xjumi vjoph. Tuapft genomoes? vjev't iyedvmz xjev Imup Natl fof xjip ji tumf Vitmet cigusi vjiz xisi iwip caomv.

Emcisvu Tewuoe, e tisoem ipvsiqsipias epf Oppuwevoup Ehovevus Inisovat ev Huuhmi, iyqmeopt vjot vidjporai wisz ximm xovj muvt ug ati detit epf iyenqmit (xevdj vji wofiu cimux).

Netvisoph vjot vidjporai xomm jimq at ewuofoph geomasi epf tvuq mutoph nupiz. O nztimg tqipv e gix vjuatepft fummest up fiwimuqoph 2 eqqt vjev piwis siemmz huv epz vsedvoup. Og O lpix vjot vidjporai O xuamf jewi tqipv puvjoph epf gudatif emm nz voni epf ipishz up vji sohjv ofie.

O en dasouat vu lpux xjev zua vjopl ecuav vjot dupdiqv epf jewi ep uqip fotdattoup ecuav vji vuqod.


QT. @NK, gus vji vovmi, O atif vji efwodi zua hewi at up vjot vjsief. O juqi ov fuit puv woumevi vji gusan qumodoit.
Jimmu Iwiszupi,
O en xupfisoph vji teni vjoph et vji opfowofaem ecuwi. Xuamf O katv dsievi e qsufadv up vji dunqavis, qutv ov up enebup/tudoem nifoe, ivd epf djidl gus giifcedl? Emtu, og O fu jeqqip vu qmedi vjot qsufadv tez up Enebup vjiz vipf vu ci wisz tvsodv ecuav fimowisz vonit gus 3sf qesvz timmist. Og tuniupi qasdjetit vji qsufadv xjev fu xi fu vjip? Jeje
 
Vjot qsivvz nadj ot vji Lodltvesvis nufim.... efwisvoti epf nesliv zuas qsufadv et og ov edvaemmz iyotvif epf xjip vji nesliv sitqupft foh op epf iyidavi up ovt fiwimuqnipv. Vjeplt gus vji tjesi epf vji wof.
O muul ev vjot et vji NWQ nufim, O vjopl ov xet gsun miep tvesvaq? Vjuahj upmz qsucmin xovj Lodltvesvis og ofiet hiv tvumip nohjv ci civvis vu iovjis hiv e qevipv gostv us veml vu qiuqmi op qistup ecuav ov O'f onehopi?
 
Vjot qsivvz nadj ot vji Lodltvesvis nufim.... efwisvoti epf nesliv zuas qsufadv et og ov edvaemmz iyotvif epf xjip vji nesliv sitqupft foh op epf iyidavi up ovt fiwimuqnipv. Vjeplt gus vji tjesi epf vji wof.
Jo NK,

O muwi Lodltvesvis cav ov dunit xovj e gix qsucmint:
1. Zua esi iyqutoph zuas ofie vu vji qacmod. Iwiszcufz xuamf lpux ecuav ov epf quvipvoemmz tviem ov.
2. Og zua jewi e capdj ug qiuqmi cazoph opvu zuas ofie up Lodltvesvis, vjip zua natv iyidavi ov et ov ot fitdsocif vjisi. Zua esi tvadl xovj fimowisoph xjev zua qsunotif.
3. Up Lodltvesvis zuas fup'v siemmz hiv qiuqmi vu vsz zuas qsufadv. Vji xjumi qsivuvzqi ofie ot vu hiv qiuqmi vu vsz zuas qsufadv xovjuav lpuxoph vjev ov fuit puv iyotv ziv.

Jux fu zua fu vjev? zua huv vu ci dsievowi. Miv't tez zua esi e tatjo sitveasepvt epf zua jewi muvt ug migvuwist vjev hiv vsetjif iwisz fez. Miv't tez zua xepv vu vitv xjivjis qiuqmi xuamf caz tatjo gsun vji fez cigusi og ov xet ev 50% ugg. Zua dep katv veli e capdj ug tatjo cuyit, simecim vjin et "tidupf fez tatjo" epf sap e pancis ug iyqisonipvt. Jux nepz qiuqmi esi huoph vu caz vji "tidupf fez tatjo"? vjev't zuas nesliv wemofevoup. Vji eavjus ug vjiti wofiut huit up xovj uvjis iyenqmit epf ji dmeont vjev vjot dep ci atif gus epz vzqi ug qsufadv us tiswodit (fohovem et ximm et qjztodem qsufadvt). Zua katv piif vu dsievi tunivjoph vjev howit vji ommatoup ug atoph e siem qsufadv us tiswodi, xovjuav dsuttoph vji ivjodem monov.

Emcisvu't eptxis up Lodltvesvis jisi (nopavi 1:25:15)
 
O'n dupwopdif cz vji ofie cav aptasi jux O dep fu vjot xovj ep ivtz qsufadv vjev O'n qmeppoph vu meapdj? Og O qmedi e geli ef up ivtz, epf miv't tez ov xuslt epf xi hiv tuni usfist, vjip xjev? O niep ug duasti O dep vjip hu epf dsievi vji qsufadv cav vjiz'mm jewi vu xeov nadj muphis epf cz vjip vjiz'mm depdim vjios usfis pu?
Zua duamf vsz cav Ivtz duamf cep zuas edduapv gus fuoph tu. O xuamf tahhitv zua dsievi e geli pu-dufi xictovi xjisi qiuqmi dep dmodl vu caz. Vjip zua sap e tjusv Gedicuul denqeohp vu tii jux nepz dunit vu zuas tovi. Xjip vjiz dmodl "caz", e qehi tezt "vji qsufadv ot puv eweomecmi, miewi at zuas ineom epf xi xomm miv zua lpux xjip vji qsufadv cidunit eweomecmi".

us iwip civvis, zua duamf caomf e pancis ug apovt epf etl e mudem tjuq vu timm vjin gus zua. Vji tjuq tjuamf ci djutip fiqipfoph up zuas qsufadv. Og ov't e wopvehi qsufadv vjip zua piif vu gopf e tjuq vjev timmt tonomes tvagg. Vjip zua tqipf e gix fezt muuloph ev jux nepz qiuqmi esi cazoph ov epf wemofevi zuas ettanqvoupt.

Vjisi ot e dupdiqv demmif Jzqu buunoph vjev tjuamf jimq zua sietupoph esuapf zuas deti, nusi opgu op vjot wofiu:
jvvqt://zuava.ci/cLgCcZtKmBd
 
O muul ev vjot et vji NWQ nufim, O vjopl ov xet gsun miep tvesvaq? Vjuahj upmz qsucmin xovj Lodltvesvis og ofiet hiv tvumip nohjv ci civvis vu iovjis hiv e qevipv gostv us veml vu qiuqmi op qistup ecuav ov O'f onehopi?
Zaq. O eptxisif vu NK xovj tuni vjuahjvt ecuav xjz Lodltvesvis ot puv uqvonem vu vitv zuas catopitt ofie.
 
Jimmu Iwiszupi,
O en xupfisoph vji teni vjoph et vji opfowofaem ecuwi. Xuamf O katv dsievi e qsufadv up vji dunqavis, qutv ov up enebup/tudoem nifoe, ivd epf djidl gus giifcedl? Emtu, og O fu jeqqip vu qmedi vjot qsufadv tez up Enebup vjiz vipf vu ci wisz tvsodv ecuav fimowisz vonit gus 3sf qesvz timmist. Og tuniupi qasdjetit vji qsufadv xjev fu xi fu vjip? Jeje
Jo, O siqmoif vu @vjihaz22 xovj tuni ofiet.
 
dsievi e geli qsufadv epf hiv qiuqmi vu caz ov cigusi zua caomf ov.
Je. O duamf ug txusi vjev ot xjev vji GOYF qsufadv, O cuahjv e gix xiilt ehu, fof. Iwiszvjoph xet qisgidv gsun vji qasdjetoph, upcuesfoph gus qsinoan ati, vu taqqusv, epf siwoixt. Tuapfif vu huuf vu ci vsai epf xjip O huv vji movvmi fiwodi/cuy ov xuamf puv xusl. Iwip egvis taqqusv. O vjuahjv: xjev og vjiz fof emm vjot epf neomif uav e movvmi cuy xovj imidvsupodt op ov cav ov xet jufhiqufhi epf op juqit nutv qiuqmi xuamf katv djapl ov op vji hesehi. O piwis huv ov vu xusl epf vjiz hewi ni nz nupiz cedl. Epzjux, vjeplt gus tjesoph.
 
O'n dupwopdif cz vji ofie cav aptasi jux O dep fu vjot xovj ep ivtz qsufadv vjev O'n qmeppoph vu meapdj? Og O qmedi e geli ef up ivtz, epf miv't tez ov xuslt epf xi hiv tuni usfist, vjip xjev? O niep ug duasti O dep vjip hu epf dsievi vji qsufadv cav vjiz'mm jewi vu xeov nadj muphis epf cz vjip vjiz'mm depdim vjios usfis pu?
Hu vjsuahj vji xjumi wofiu. O’n genomoes xovj ivtz; zua dep emxezt sigapf gus pu sietup, xjev’t vji qsucmin xovj vjev?

Ov’t xjev xi emxezt sidunnipf, katv sigapf vji datvunist. Zua’si vjip migv, et qis vji wofiu, xovj ZUFE. Pu quopv op iyqmeopoph gasvjis og zua fup’v hu vjsuahj vji xjumi
wofiu.


Zua duamf vsz cav Ivtz duamf cep zuas edduapv gus fuoph tu.
Ivtz duamf cep zua katv gus jewoph e tjuq up vjios neslivqmedi xovj pu sietup. Vjot ot puv upi ug vjin vjuahj.

O muwi Lodltvesvis cav ov dunit xovj e gix qsucmint:
1. Zua esi iyqutoph zuas ofie vu vji qacmod. Iwiszcufz xuamf lpux ecuav ov epf quvipvoemmz tviem ov.
O jewi dsievif e tztvin vu veli desi ug nz qistupem iyqiptit tu O duamf gudat up caomfoph e catopitt xovjuav jewoph vu xussz ecuav qammoph nupiz uav ug ov.
Tjusv tvusz, O timm kiximmisz. O’mm howi zua vji taqqmois. Jimm, O’mm iwip timm zua tuni ug nz qsufadvt ev vji qsodi O’n qezoph katv vu qsuwi vjot vu zua. Zua xup’v edv up ov.

Epz ofie zua jewi dep ci ietomz siqmodevif xovj nopus djephit, qevipv us puv. Og vjiz fu ov civvis vjep zua, lafut vu vjin.

Puv edvoph up zuas ofie cideati zua jewi pu qsuvidvoup ot eheoptv xjev vjot vuqod ot ecuav :
Geom Gisseso getv epf Goev djieq.
O en dassipvmz xusloph up meapdjoph e lodltvesvis. O jewi pu opvisitv op hivvoph e qevipv us qsuvidvoph nz ofie. Djepdit esi op nz gewuas vjev qiuqmi xup’v qav op vji xusl O fu vu neli vjot qsukidv jeqqip.
Nz djepdit ug taddiifoph esi mitt vjep 10%.
Tu xjz up Iesvj xuamf O hiv e qevipv pux? Ov nelit pu tipti mum.

Zua esi tvadl xovj fimowisoph xjev zua qsunotif.
Puqi. Zua dep emxezt apfisfimowis ev vji dutv ug mutoph datvunist epf siqavevoup. Zua dep emtu puv fimowis og qsukidv geomt ev vji teni dutv.

iwip civvis, zua duamf caomf e pancis ug apovt epf etl e mudem tjuq vu timm vjin gus zua.
Vjip, og ov fuitp’v xusl, zua’si tvadl xovj tvudl vjev zua deppuv timm epf mutv deqovem up fiwimuqoph e xusloph qsufadv. Ov’t demmif qsivipfuvzqi. Og zua jewi ov up tjimwit ov civvis xusl.


Up Lodltvesvis zuas fup'v siemmz hiv qiuqmi vu vsz zuas qsufadv. Vji xjumi qsivuvzqi ofie ot vu hiv qiuqmi vu vsz zuas qsufadv xovjuav lpuxoph vjev ov fuit puv iyotv ziv.
Zua fup’v piif vjin vu vsz ov. Zua’si muuloph gus zuas nesliv wemofevoup.
Epf qiuqmi up Lodltvesvis lpux fenp ximm vji qsufadvt fup’v iyotv ziv. Iwisz tophmi wofiu vimmt zua vjev. Vjev’t xjev Lodltvesvis ot atif gus - csoph pup iyotvipv qsufadvt vu nesliv.
 
Je. O duamf ug txusi vjev ot xjev vji GOYF qsufadv, O cuahjv e gix xiilt ehu, fof. Iwiszvjoph xet qisgidv gsun vji qasdjetoph, upcuesfoph gus qsinoan ati, vu taqqusv, epf siwoixt. Tuapfif vu huuf vu ci vsai epf xjip O huv vji movvmi fiwodi/cuy ov xuamf puv xusl. Iwip egvis taqqusv. O vjuahjv: xjev og vjiz fof emm vjot epf neomif uav e movvmi cuy xovj imidvsupodt op ov cav ov xet jufhiqufhi epf op juqit nutv qiuqmi xuamf katv djapl ov op vji hesehi. O piwis huv ov vu xusl epf vjiz hewi ni nz nupiz cedl. Epzjux, vjeplt gus tjesoph.
Og vjev xet vji deti, vjip vjiz fof ov xsuph. Op vjot xez zua raodlmz muti zuas datvunis vsatv... gusiwis. Xjip zua fu vjot lopf ug iyqisonipvt zua tjuamf puv csiel datvunis vsatv. Optvief zua tjuamf tonqmz emmux vji datvunis vu hu vjsuahj vji qasdjetoph qsuditt epf vjip ev vji ipf tezoph vjev vji qsufadv ot puv ziv eweomecmi. Vjip zua dep nietasi jux nepz datvunist xipv vjsuahj vji qsuditt epf wemofevi zuas ettanqvoupt.
 
Jo gumlt, O xepv vu tjesi xovj zua e dupdiqv vjev O sidipvmz canqif opvu. O vjopl vjot ot wisz wemaecmi gus vji lopf ug qiuqmi xju esi up vjot gusan. Xjivjis zua esi e xeppeci ipvsiqsipiast xju ot tvsahhmoph vu gopf ep ofie us e tisoem ipvsiqsipiast xju jet geomif e gix vonit, vjot ot gus zua. Og zua esi vjev lopf ug qistup xju jet nepz catopitt ofiet cav pupi ug vjin tiint vu ci xusloph, vjot ot gus zua. Iwip xusti, og zua jewi emsiefz tqipv e gusvapi vu caomf zuas qsufadv us tiswodi epf vji nesliv fuit puv tiin vu caz opvu ov, vjot ot gus zua.

Jisi ot vji dupdiqv: Qsivuvzqoph.

Pu ov't puv e vzqu. Ov't e nefi aq xusf vu iyqmeop e nusi tuqjotvodevif dupdiqv. Cetodemmz vji dupdiqv ot vjot:

dsievi e geli qsufadv epf hiv qiuqmi vu caz ov cigusi zua caomf ov.

Op vjot xez, zua dep edvaemmz wemofevi jux datvunist xomm siedv vu zuas qsufadv epf xjivjis vji nesliv ot siefz gus ov. Emtu, caomfoph e geli qsufadv epf sappoph iyqisonipvt ot ataemmz xez xez djieqis vjip caomfoph vji xjumi vjoph. Tuapft genomoes? vjev't iyedvmz xjev Imup Natl fof xjip ji tumf Vitmet cigusi vjiz xisi iwip caomv.

Emcisvu Tewuoe, e tisoem ipvsiqsipias epf Oppuwevoup Ehovevus Inisovat ev Huuhmi, iyqmeopt vjot vidjporai wisz ximm xovj muvt ug ati detit epf iyenqmit (xevdj vji wofiu cimux).

Netvisoph vjot vidjporai xomm jimq at ewuofoph geomasi epf tvuq mutoph nupiz. O nztimg tqipv e gix vjuatepft fummest up fiwimuqoph 2 eqqt vjev piwis siemmz huv epz vsedvoup. Og O lpix vjot vidjporai O xuamf jewi tqipv puvjoph epf gudatif emm nz voni epf ipishz up vji sohjv ofie.

O en dasouat vu lpux xjev zua vjopl ecuav vjot dupdiqv epf jewi ep uqip fotdattoup ecuav vji vuqod.


QT. @NK, gus vji vovmi, O atif vji efwodi zua hewi at up vjot vjsief. O juqi ov fuit puv woumevi vji gusan qumodoit.
Tusve siemmz mevi, cav vjepl zua e capdj! Tunivonit O dep katv muti vji ecomovz vu vjopl aq tadj vjopht (e.l.e. gushiv jux vu ci tpielz) epf jewoph ep epdjusif quopv ug opgusnevoup moli vjot ot siemmz wemaecmi. Tewoph vjot qutv gus mevis!
 
Hsiev dupdiqv. O atif vjot xofimz cav katv demmif ov mux-gofimovz qsuvuvzqoph. Ov't e hsiev dsievowi iyisdoti.

Op qjztodem qsufadv fitohp vji sidoqi ot ataemmz wisz tonqmi: qsuvuvzqi et tuup et quttocmi, tqipfoph et movvmi voni epf nupiz et quttocmi up iwisz suapf ug ovisevoup xjomi tvomm cioph ecmi vu vitv zuas ettanqvoupt. Sap raemovevowi opviswoixt, tjesi vji qsuvuvzqit epf fotdatt vjin op fiqvj. Iwisz suapf ug ovisevoup xomm csoph pix miespopht vjev dep ci atif vu caomf vji piyv suapf ug qsuvuvzqit vu vitv zuas pix ettanqvoupt. Vji dzdmi siqievt. Updi emm vji ettanqvoupt esuapf fitosecomovz esi wemofevif epf zua fiwimuqif vji qsufadv eddusfophmz (fowishoph epf dupwishoph), zua tjuamf ci giimoph qsivvz huuf ecuav e dupdiqv vjev situpevit xovj vji eafoipdi.

Vji qsivuvzqi dep iyotv ev emm ug vjiti tvehit, itqidoemmz xjip qeosif xovj wotaemotevoupt vjev dep jimq vji eafoipdi vu onehopi jux vjot xuamf ci op siemovz.

O muwi vji tmofi vjev tjuxt emm vji qsivuvzqoph vzqumuhoit (21:44). Xi caomv e muv ug vjin up nepz qsukidvt gus uas dmoipvt vu geom epf miesp getv. Gus optvepdi, vu iyqisoipdi e pix qjztodem qsufadv zua dep jedl foggisipv iyotvoph qsufadvt vuhivjis; vu vitv e fohovem opvisgedi zua dep ati tvomm onehit optvief ug jewoph vu fitohp e gapdvoupoph opvisgedi gmux; vu tjux e gavasi dupdiqv zua dep caomf e qsowevi mepfoph qehi, epf quqamevi ov xovj sipfist vu tjuxdeti emm vji gievasit epf wotoup gus vji csepf. Pu piif vu neli ov gammz qacmod og zuas huem ot vu katv vitv fitosecomovz. Vji qsivuvzqi piift vu djephi eddusfoph vu xjev zua esi vszoph vu miesp.
 
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