Struggling with ADHD? Triple Your Productivity in 30 Days!

[EN_VY]

I've considered going to get tested for ADHD.. But I always end up doing something else.

 

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[Andy Black]

Great advice to *anyone* in business or a job.

Make a list of what you are good at and tailor your life to your strengths. If you absolutely despise something, you simply will not be effective at it because of the nature of this disorder. Square peg/ round hole isn't effective. All this mentality leads to is you beating yourself down all the time and bruising the hell out of your ego. Don't use ADHD as a crutch, but understand that it's called a DISORDER for a reason.

Here's an example... In my Analyst job I'm expected to mentally crunch data and memorize it so I can regurgitate trends, schedule production, measure efficiency, etc. I would be absolutely terrible if I did things the traditional route!

Instead, I develop complex spreadsheets that work on auto pilot. A little copy and paste here and there, and I have the information I need.

Instead of banging my head against my desk all day trying to memorize shit that doesn't interest me, I hyper focus on maintaining and improving spreadsheets (something that I halfway enjoy doing). When people ask me questions, I don't just spit out answers based upon what I've memorized... I print out summaries of the reports I've created that give them more details and information than anything I could provide. Plus, it gives them a printout so they don't forget our conversation in 10 seconds.

My last evaluation said I was the companies "best problem solver." Why? Because I hate doing boring shit and come up with ways to not have to do it anymore. Try to apply this to your business... Don't like crunching numbers? Hire a cheap assistant. Do you suck at sales and hate the thought of selling? Find a partner who doesn't.

Sorry about the rambling... I'm beating ADD, but I'm not symptomless.

 

[Andy Black]

>> TED Talk: Do schools kill creativity? <<

 

[tminch55]

That's good a question Charmander. I have a son that was diagnosed with A.D.H.D when he was four and supposedly was going to be a delinquent in his teens. I gave him meds all his life. Took him to specialists. I'll admit when he's was young he was very energetic, and into everything. When he was in his teens I figured out he was taking pills for the side effects of concerta. His behaviors were better off the medicine, felt better, and never has been in trouble. So, I feel guilty sometimes that maybe I was giving him meds the whole time from side effects from the meds rather then him having A.D.H.D.

So, it doesn't make sense what they were telling me would happen, but he never turned out the way they projected A.D.H.D. on him.

Don't beat yourself up. You were doing what you thought was right for your child at the time. Live and learn.

On the flip side, some children have parents who refuse to medicate them. By the time the child is an adult, their self esteem is so battered from so much failure, they never recover.

It's a slippery slope. I personally have a child with ADHD symptoms... I don't medicate him because they are a hinderance, but they are not debilitating.

I think that should be a big factor in the medication debate... Do the symptoms give you additional challenges or destroy your life?

I decided to medicate because I had a family who I loved dearly that I absolutely could not financially support due to the devastating effects of this disorder. After my son witnessed two vehicle repossessions and we had to move out of our foreclosed house because I was incapable of holding down simple basic employment, I knew it was time to find some answers.

That's why it irritates me beyond words when someone attempts to downplay this disorder or call it made up. I've been called lazy... I've been told to just "try harder"... "Improve my diet"... etc. etc.

What kind of a man would lose 5 jobs in 7 years with a family to support simply because he needed to "try harder"??? Or because of a quirk in his personality?

 

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[Mattie]

Yes...As I said, there was one point it kept him in his chair at school, focused on school work, etc. When he was in grade school, but then he was always behind in assignments, but a genius and off the charts on tests the psychologists gave him and the schools. And we went through the schedules, organization, and he's still be behind because I think sometimes he was just normal like any other kid. It's hard to say, because from the age of four, he was never off of it, and once he was off of it, it was like night and day. And I looked up the side effects and I was a little upset about his behavior problems may have been from the medications more then A.D.H.D.

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22714711-parenting-kids-with-add-adhd This book was a big part of his life. And the author was a specialist and really liked him. The psychologist he had before him was the one that gave me all the horror stories so I quit that one and looked for the best. There used to be these social games etc. I bought a lot of them, but they're no longer available. And also went to a physician that specialized in A.D.H.D.

I'm not doubting he hadsome issues, but he either out grew it, or something just wasn't right by the time he turned 16 and I didn't force him to pursue it after he stopped, because he felt better without it. I leave it up to him whether he feels he needs it or not, but that is his choice.

And then I seen there are studies on Meditation helping kids with A.D.H.D. and I think sometimes from my own experience with Depression, once I got a hold of Meditation and mindfulness it didn't make sense what I was told from western psychology. It's hard to say, because everyone has a different experience and reality, and I believe in some cases it can be self-fulfilling prophecy if someone tells you there's something wrong with you, and others then join in and project that reality on to you. And I listened to some Harvard Psychiatrists debating a few years back on A.D.H.D. and medication.

Like with every disorder or diagnosis there is always a huge debate. And some times I believe it's in the individual and just how they're personally wired, and how there brain functions alone. There's always multi-variables when it comes diagnosis and mental disorders. And probably why I bailed out of that path of being a psychologist. I probably am good at being a psychotherapist, but I just could never sit there and tell people they're mentally ill and contribute to that reality without having a guarantee that it was in fact. And I suppose that is because I've studied so much, and listen to people, and see there are many many people like me that rise out of depression once they stopped buying into the idea projected on to them. I feel there are many that do have mental disorders, but then I believe a certain proportion that are mis-diagnosed.

After my son was diagnosed I got diagnosed, and sure they told me I had A.D.D. and I never took medication for it. And again meditation and mindfulness gave me a different answer. I have trained myself to focus like a sports athlete, through visualization and meditation. And that comes down to, most people in here probably do the same, teaching themselves through different techniques to focus, discipline thoughts, etc. So, sure perhaps A.D.D. is diagnosed, but it doesn't make sense that the whole thing is about concentration and focused. And the thing is I listened to my son's physician, he stated my son is focused on what he wants to be focused on, but on the wrong things. So, looking back on the conductor in the brain and all the band is playing different tunes at the same time, as his explanation, I don't know if I agree with it today.

Perhaps just at certain times of our lives we are not developed or disciplined emotionally, mentally, and spiritually, and psychology decides to step in and tell us there's a problem. We believe there is a problem because we're told there is one. In the medical world we get tests etc. In the psychology world there isn't always a medical test to prove there is something wrong. I used to manage a mental health home and can tell you there are issues, and it's something even if you study forever you will never quite understand, because every person is in their experience and has a different reality.

I suppose we all have to find out for ourselves what is true or not true in our experience. I suppose that is the debate is many are misdiagnosed and ask questions against the system, and others remain in that system and never recover, or find those tools and medications helpful.

I think as an INFJ I'm just not willing to gamble with someone's life and refuse to diagnose people when there is no guarantee I'd be correct. A doctor has proof their is a medical condition. A psychiatrist/psychologist doesn't always have it, and for the tests that are available, insurance companies wouldn't pay for it anyway. As in looking at someone's brain scan. It becomes a guessing game instead because if someone looked at your brain to verify you're diseased it would cost to much. And I suppose I'm rambling. lol I just get fascinated with this, and probably will always be studying it, because I'd want to help people heal and be whole. I think we're still learning and we have to find ways to detect mental disorders other then just a manual and guessing.

I've studied the DSMIV in my degree, and fortunately, there is to many symptoms that get blended in with other ones, and then working with elderly and mentally ill population, I find it ironic that we can guess at this stuff and give someone ten to twenty pills a day for a mental disorder. And is it then side effects that cause the behavior problems, and make their brain worse?

 

[Mattie]

Some one just posted this on another site I'm on. It really leaves sadness on my heart to see so many children being medicated at such young ages. What are we doing when we diagnose children that are 0-5 years!
http://www.cchrint.org/psychiatric-drugs/children-on-psychiatric-drugs/
http://www.cchrint.org/2015/04/09/psychology-vs-psychiatry/
I guess I'm one of those people that refuse to diagnose people!

 

[Mineralogic]

Some one just posted this on another site I'm on. It really leaves sadness on my heart to see so many children being medicated at such young ages. What are we doing when we diagnose children that are 0-5 years!
http://www.cchrint.org/psychiatric-drugs/children-on-psychiatric-drugs/
http://www.cchrint.org/2015/04/09/psychology-vs-psychiatry/
I guess I'm one of those people that refuse to diagnose people!

yup, real sad

meanwhile .001% of people here even know all their food is already deficient in all nutrients from the day they are born. but then think they are experts on diagnosing and perpetuating more fake diseases for big pharma to sell to

 

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[randomnumber314]

AS with any disorder, there's a spectrum. Not believing ADD/ADHD to be real is like not believing any psyciatric disorder is real...based on your feelings about it. As with all things, ADD isn't a problem, or isn't real for many, until it is. That is, many don't believe it exists because they can't see it. Watch a friend lose their home and turn their life around after being properly diagnosed and treated, suddenly it's very real.

 

[Mattie]

AS with any disorder, there's a spectrum. Not believing ADD/ADHD to be real is like not believing any psyciatric disorder is real...based on your feelings about it. As with all things, ADD isn't a problem, or isn't real for many, until it is. That is, many don't believe it exists because they can't see it. Watch a friend lose their home and turn their life around after being properly diagnosed and treated, suddenly it's very real.

Here's just a fun book to read. The author decided to make fun of the DSMIV.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/1499620004/?tag=tff-amazonparser-20

I think it lightens up the world of Psychology. Since every behavior, emotion, feeling, and thought could be considered abnormal depending on what culture, society, and town you live in. People don't see we use psychology to manipulate their emotions and feelings in advertising. They don't see the art of seduction in their every day lives from people that read the art of seduction. They don't see that beliefs are mixed and meshed in niche's from different things. People don't see a lot of things, and sure once you walk out of the matrix you see what the world is for real.

 

[Ikke]

Make a list of what you are good at and tailor your life to your strengths. If you absolutely despise something, you simply will not be effective at it because of the nature of this disorder. Square peg/ round hole isn't effective.

@tminch55 How did you find out what you were really good at? I myself am interested in almost everything, from accounting to mechanical engineering to industrial engineering to marketing to growing potatoes. The one thing they all have in commen is that they are about creating but that's it.

 

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[tminch55]

@tminch55 How did you find out what you were really good at? I myself am interested in almost everything, from accounting to mechanical engineering to industrial engineering to marketing to growing potatoes. The one thing they all have in commen is that they are about creating but that's it.

This isn't my full answer, but I have a question for you.... If someone hit the reset button in your life and you had no money, no clothes and a bicycle... What would you do to make an income? (You still have your mind).

 

[tminch55]

Great thread, I think this personality trait is relatively common among entrepreneurs etc. I always thought I had ADD/ADHD since I was a kid. Over the years several of my teachers made comments etc. but my family did not want to put me on meds which I agreed with.

I have always designed my life around this. I have a million hobbies, love the outdoors and have found the seasonality of outdoor sports to really agree with me. I also had a business that was somewhat cyclical with a multitude of jobs from physical work to mental etc. that really worked well for me and I loved it. In hindsight I can really see how it fit my personality.

Now I am working on/in a more tradition job/business that is quite a bit more binary then my old business and there really isn't any physicality to the work. Mostly mental etc. I find that when I get into a groove I can really crank, producing great results, and have been told that I have a talent for what I am doing. However, I find that after a long time in the office I start getting really restless and fidgety. I do plan on buying a standup desk so I can move around a bit more. Plus I do really like what I am doing and can see a really great future in it.

Basically would like to get your opinion etc as well as how you would go about finding the right doctor and if you think you could see yourself taking medication on an as needed basis vs. all the time.

Hey sorry I overlooked this post. I'm doing a bit of research on your first question. I will get back with you today my friend.

 

[Pete799p]

Hey sorry I overlooked this post. I'm doing a bit of research on your first question. I will get back with you today my friend.

Awesome thanks!

 

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[Ron Dee]

Video is absolutely garbage

 

[tminch55]

Awesome thanks!

What's your relationship like with your family Dr. Is he/she pretty up to date on mental health aspects to where he/she could refer you to a specialist? I tried to find online material for you to search for an adhd specialist and they were all garbage.

 

[Testament]

Thanks for the this great AMA, tminch! I think you've helped me to realize I have ADHD.

For a long time (since I was a teenager) it's been suggested that I try adderall or ritalin or some ADHD variant. I looked at other friends I had who were on prescription drugs and thought I didn't want any part of it.

But reading what you've described of your life with ADHD, sounds almost exactly what I've dealt with in my life - and how my life is right now. I've tried it all as well - meditation, dieting, info vids on improving your focus...you name it. It always seems to work for the first few days, then I seem to crash harder and focus even less.

I just tried taking an online ADHD test, and apparently I'm in the upper reaches of ADHD severity. I never really considered taking prescription drugs before, but now I'm going to finally schedule an appointment with my doctor and seriously discuss it.

So yeah, I didn't have a question per say, I just wanted to sincerely thank you for making your posts. You may've just made a huge difference in my life.

Fingers crossed.

 

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[tminch55]

Thanks for the this great AMA, tminch! I think you've helped me to realize I have ADHD.

For a long time (since I was a teenager) it's been suggested that I try adderall or ritalin or some ADHD variant. I looked at other friends I had who were on prescription drugs and thought I didn't want any part of it.

But reading what you've described of your life with ADHD, sounds almost exactly what I've dealt with in my life - and how my life is right now. I've tried it all as well - meditation, dieting, info vids on improving your focus...you name it. It always seems to work for the first few days, then I seem to crash harder and focus even less.

I just tried taking an online ADHD test, and apparently I'm in the upper reaches of ADHD severity. I never really considered taking prescription drugs before, but now I'm going to finally schedule an appointment with my doctor and seriously discuss it.

So yeah, I didn't have a question per say, I just wanted to sincerely thank you for making your posts. You may've just made a huge difference in my life.

Fingers crossed.

You're very welcome. Have you had your apt yet?

 

[Testament]

I actually had a huge adventure yesterday trying to get one, heh. I just got health insurance, so I had to go to patient walk-in and wait there for an hour (think I got sick, actually lol), only to be told that they don't actually write prescriptions for ADHD meds there. The guy who was helping me tried to suggest that it was just anxiety or depression, and that anti-depressant/SSRI's would probably be a better choice for me.

Maybe I set him up for that, as he was asking me if I had been anxious or depressed lately, and I thought, "Well, my mentor is starting to get upset that I'm always scatterbrained and losing focus, so...I guess I'm kind of anxious about that?" But yeah, I'm not typically depressed or anxious so...I'm not sure that would've been helpful at all.

Eventually I was referred to a local psychiatrist/therapy center and they scheduled a phone call for 5 P.M. today to get a better idea of what my issues are. After that, I'll go in person to a 2 hour interview to further assess me for ADHD and go from there.

I'm actually really excited - the more I've read about symptoms and life stories of people who live with ADHD, the more I'm totally blown away! It's like, OH MY GOD THAT'S MY WHOLE LIFE YOU'RE DESCRIBING RIGHT NOW! All the issues I've been dealing with my whole life that I thought were just me not being as good as anyone else in the areas of study/work/focus/etc...

Honestly, part of me is upset that I've been living with this so long without realizing it. All the ways it's impacted me. But really, that's only a small part of me feeling that way. 90% I'm thinking, I'm super excited to try this out and report my results.

I guess it's maybe a bit premature to talk about everything like I've already been diagnosed with it, but honestly - to me at least, after reading a lot about ADHD, it seems like a slam dunk case.

 

[Sowexly]

I've been in the boat that ADHD isn't real but I've had the diagnosis since elementary and was on Ritalin for 5 years. I spoke with my doctor again about how I felt and he said it sounded like Adult ADHD (meaning he felt it never went away) I wanted to disagree but I'm willing to try most anything on a trial basis. I started on Vyvanse and it seemed to help my thought process I got my shit sorted (disconnected from my slowlane stuff, TVs, most distractions) It also brought back a passion I had for video games that had been lost for over a year (which previously was most of my life). This was not an asset as it wasn't creating any opportunities for me and I simply wasted 2 months playing them. After that I decided that med was too expensive to get out of pocket (yeah no generics yet because pharma is good at making massive $$$).

I tried Adderall but it made me very moody (and I think had some skin side affects) after wearing off and that definitely wasn't helping my social life or home life. Now I'm considering the old fashioned Dextro but again something nags me not to rely on some med to get things sorted out.

I'm glad to hear you've turned things around for yourself and your family, a solid foundation is required for many things and that includes shifting into the fastlane.

 

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[Testament]

@tminch55 Hey tminch! I actually had a question now.

How difficult was it for you to actually get your medication prescribed to you? The issue I seem to be running into unfortunately, is that the people I'm talking to seem to be on high alert for potential drug addicts that are just trying to get prescribed pills and are hesitant to go that route. Did you face the same attitudes when you were first trying to get medication? Was there anything you did to help move the process along?

 

[JasonR]

Have you used prescribed medication for ADD/ADHD (adderal, etc.)?

How did you overcome your ADD/ADHD and still become productive?

For me, I feel like I'm definitely ADD, and I do struggle with it at times. However, I can have periods of extreme focus on one thing. I tend to procrastinate on tasks I really DON"T want to do.

 

[Waisec]

For me, I feel like I'm definitely ADD, and I do struggle with it at times. However, I can have periods of extreme focus on one thing. I tend to procrastinate on tasks I really DON"T want to do.

Isn't this the same for everybody though?

 

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[randomnumber314]

Isn't this the same for everybody though?

No.

 

[tminch55]

I want to make a quick blanket statement to clarify a few things, and then I will get back to answering everyone's questions...

#1. I will answer any question you have about ADHD. Anything. ADHD meds seem to be the biggest concern for most around here in regards to this subject, so I will answer those questions for you. Please understand, however, my intent isn't to come to the Fastlane and encourage everyone to get on ADHD medication. There are many who claim they can completely control ADHD without meds. In my particular situation, it has been part of a very effective treatment regimen, but it's not the only treatment regimen. @Vigilante am I clarifying myself appropriately here? Don't want the thread to get whacked due to me appearing to be a drug pusher

#2. I'm not going to argue the validity of ADHD. I had debilitating problems in my life and several trusted health care practitioners diagnosed and medicated me for a disorder they deem valid. After following through with these treatment regimens, I am now a very productive person because of these treatment plans.

#3. Everyone has focus problems at times. If you haven't had debilitating symptoms your entire life, most likely you are dealing with a side effect from another issue in your life... stress, depression, midlife crisis, erectile dysfunction, etc. You get my drift.

And now back to your regularly scheduled programming....

 

[randomnumber314]

I want to make a quick blanket statement to clarify a few things, and then I will get back to answering everyone's questions...

#1. I will answer any question you have about ADHD. Anything. ADHD meds seem to be the biggest concern for most around here in regards to this subject, so I will answer those questions for you. Please understand, however, my intent isn't to come to the Fastlane and encourage everyone to get on ADHD medication. There are many who claim they can completely control ADHD without meds. In my particular situation, it has been part of a very effective treatment regimen, but it's not the only treatment regimen. @Vigilante am I clarifying myself appropriately here? Don't want the thread to get whacked due to me appearing to be a drug pusher

#2. I'm not going to argue the validity of ADHD. I had debilitating problems in my life and several trusted health care practitioners diagnosed and medicated me for a disorder they deem valid. After following through with these treatment regimens, I am now a very productive person because of these treatment plans.

#3. Everyone has focus problems at times. If you haven't had debilitating symptoms your entire life, most likely you are dealing with a side effect from another issue in your life... stress, depression, midlife crisis, erectile dysfunction, etc. You get my drift.

And now back to your regularly scheduled programming....

Rep ++ for putting yourself out there. There's no point in debating with people, they have their opinions, you have yours. We all have our own brand of b.s. we believe.

As for anyone who wonders if they have ADD/ADHD, just go see a doctor. Seriously.

 

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[tminch55]

I've been in the boat that ADHD isn't real but I've had the diagnosis since elementary and was on Ritalin for 5 years. I spoke with my doctor again about how I felt and he said it sounded like Adult ADHD (meaning he felt it never went away) I wanted to disagree but I'm willing to try most anything on a trial basis. I started on Vyvanse and it seemed to help my thought process I got my shit sorted (disconnected from my slowlane stuff, TVs, most distractions) It also brought back a passion I had for video games that had been lost for over a year (which previously was most of my life). This was not an asset as it wasn't creating any opportunities for me and I simply wasted 2 months playing them. After that I decided that med was too expensive to get out of pocket (yeah no generics yet because pharma is good at making massive $$$).

I tried Adderall but it made me very moody (and I think had some skin side affects) after wearing off and that definitely wasn't helping my social life or home life. Now I'm considering the old fashioned Dextro but again something nags me not to rely on some med to get things sorted out.

I'm glad to hear you've turned things around for yourself and your family, a solid foundation is required for many things and that includes shifting into the fastlane.

I still deal with being moody when mine wears off. The medication gives your brain something it is lacking. When it wears off, you are back to the world of ADHD. In my opinion, any ADHD med will do this. I try to curb it by drinking a caffeinated beverage shortly after it wears off. It slows down the transition. Am I making any sense?

 

[tminch55]

@tminch55 Hey tminch! I actually had a question now.

How difficult was it for you to actually get your medication prescribed to you? The issue I seem to be running into unfortunately, is that the people I'm talking to seem to be on high alert for potential drug addicts that are just trying to get prescribed pills and are hesitant to go that route. Did you face the same attitudes when you were first trying to get medication? Was there anything you did to help move the process along?

I believe anything that is considered a narcotic will cause this issue. Sadly our country is full of people with pill addictions. In my opinion, the best thing to do is to seek a great treatment plan from your trusted health care provider and not specifically medication. If you don't walk in solely with the intent of getting medicated, hopefully they wont mistake you as a drug addict. Be open to any option with your treatment... not just medication.

For example, if you had a rash and your Doctor didn't medicate you but gave you a recipe for a home remedy that worked, that would be cool too, right?

 

[tminch55]

Have you used prescribed medication for ADD/ADHD (adderal, etc.)?

How did you overcome your ADD/ADHD and still become productive?

For me, I feel like I'm definitely ADD, and I do struggle with it at times. However, I can have periods of extreme focus on one thing. I tend to procrastinate on tasks I really DON"T want to do.

Jason, I take Adderal daily to help with symptoms of ADHD. Adderal combined with solid organization techniques, exercise, and meditation has been a silver bullet for me.

I'm not diagnosing you with ADHD, but your extreme focus is very common with those who have it.

Most people believe those with ADHD can't focus. That's simply not true. They have a problem prioritizing and regulating focus. Their prefrontal cortex in the brain is starving for dopamine because they naturally do not produce enough. When they find something interesting, the dopamine flood gates open and they "hyperfocus" on it for hours at a time because it's a natural high.

This often makes people with ADHD appear to be unmotivated, selfish, and lazy.

When they take medication, it supplies that part of the brain with adequate ammounts dopamine, so they can focus on items they don't give a shit about as well. Make sense?

 

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[Vigilante]

I want to make a quick blanket statement to clarify a few things, and then I will get back to answering everyone's questions...

#1. I will answer any question you have about ADHD. Anything. ADHD meds seem to be the biggest concern for most around here in regards to this subject, so I will answer those questions for you. Please understand, however, my intent isn't to come to the Fastlane and encourage everyone to get on ADHD medication. There are many who claim they can completely control ADHD without meds. In my particular situation, it has been part of a very effective treatment regimen, but it's not the only treatment regimen. @Vigilante am I clarifying myself appropriately here? Don't want the thread to get whacked due to me appearing to be a drug pusher

#2. I'm not going to argue the validity of ADHD. I had debilitating problems in my life and several trusted health care practitioners diagnosed and medicated me for a disorder they deem valid. After following through with these treatment regimens, I am now a very productive person because of these treatment plans.

#3. Everyone has focus problems at times. If you haven't had debilitating symptoms your entire life, most likely you are dealing with a side effect from another issue in your life... stress, depression, midlife crisis, erectile dysfunction, etc. You get my drift.

And now back to your regularly scheduled programming....

There's no problem with your opinion (yet...) or what you have put forth. It's an interesting topic. My daughter, who was a psych major in college, doesn't believe that there is ADHD. She sees it as symptomatic of perhaps some other underlying conditions, but the generic treatment of ADHD with downers, especially for children, is an over simplified bandaid fix. It has become a preferred class room control mechanism deployed by teachers, overdiagnosed by armchair MD's, and used to modify natural behaviors that some people see as unseemly.

Other than that.... carry on.

 

[Vigilante]

I think most entrepreneurs are prone to hypertension, hyper activity, and lack of focus at times. However, I know your thread was not created to discuss the theories of ADHD, so I will fade back to the shadows.

I have a kid that certainly would benefit the classroom were we to give her downers. However, that's never gonna happen on my watch.