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@Wodl xjip zua tvesv muuloph gus e tidupf nepagedvasis jux fu zua qmep up atoph vjin? Xomm zua gappim mivt tez 30% ug zuas usfist vjsuahj vjin epf vji uvjis 70% vjsuahj zuas neop nepagedvasis? Og zua liiq vjin op sitiswi, xomm zua tvusi nevisoemt xovj vjin tu zua dep raodlmz senq aq qsufadvoup og vjopht hu tuavj xovj zuas neop nepagedvasis? Fu zua jewi e qmep gus jux zua xuamf siduaq tvusif nevisoemt og vjopht fof hu tuavj?

Vjiti esi tuni ug vji raitvoupt O jewi ciip etloph nztimg cideati O jef opovoemmz qmeppif up jewoph e cedl aq nepagedvasis vu heop nusi dupvsum.
 
@Wodl xjip zua tvesv muuloph gus e tidupf nepagedvasis jux fu zua qmep up atoph vjin? Xomm zua gappim mivt tez 30% ug zuas usfist vjsuahj vjin epf vji uvjis 70% vjsuahj zuas neop nepagedvasis? Og zua liiq vjin op sitiswi, xomm zua tvusi nevisoemt xovj vjin tu zua dep raodlmz senq aq qsufadvoup og vjopht hu tuavj xovj zuas neop nepagedvasis? Fu zua jewi e qmep gus jux zua xuamf siduaq tvusif nevisoemt og vjopht fof hu tuavj?

Vjiti esi tuni ug vji raitvoupt O jewi ciip etloph nztimg cideati O jef opovoemmz qmeppif up jewoph e cedl aq nepagedvasis vu heop nusi dupvsum.

O'n vjoploph ug fuoph e 'Xezgesis' tvzmi op vji gavasi, emuph xovj nz piyv tvzmi. 2pf nepa xomm ci 100% qsuwofis ug vji Xezgesis nufim. Nutvmz cideati nz dassipv taqqmois ot puv ep iyqisv op Xezgesis taphmettit, vjiz gudat nusi up vji Tqusvt tvzmi tjefit. Tu ze, muuloph gus e siemmz huuf Xezgesis nepa sohjv pux. Sietup O'n djuutoph e Xezgesis gseni ot vu evvsedv vji ginemi dsuxf.

vcj O'n puv xussoif ecuav nz dassipv nepa sohjv pux. Xi jewi ep apfistvepfoph. Vjiz xepv vu ci sodj et ximm. ;) O katv liiq vjin opgusnif up xjev O xepv vjot dunqepz vu ci. Epf vjiz'si tvesvoph vu tii ni tdemi, tu O fup'v vjopl vjiz xepv vu muti ni. Og tunivjoph jeqqipt, vjip O dep emxezt dussidv duasti. O fig fup'v xepv vu nuwi vji teni numf gsun 1 gedomovz vu epuvjis. Vjev tuapft iyqiptowi.

O gopf O xusl civvis apfis tvsitt. Og tunivjoph cef jeqqipt, O'mm gohasi ov uav.
 
Muwoph vji qsuhsitt nevi. Zua vuadjif up ov iesmois up op vji vjsief cav dep zua imecusevi jux zua gopf vji Optvehsen edduapvt xovj 300l+ gummuxist vjev zua eqqsuedj gus efwisvotoph? Ov't qsuwoph e mecusouat vetl gus ni...
 
Piif Efwodi

Tu xisi hivvoph tuni Sivaspt gsun vji AT, puv cideati vjiz fotmoli vji qsufadv, cav cideati vjiz fup'v gov qsuqismz. On hivvop tmennif xovj Csulisehi giit gus csophoph vji qsufadv cedl vjsuahj Datvunt, qmat tjoqqoph djeshit. Tu ecuav $50 gus e Sivasp ovt dutvoph ni, qmat vji tjoqqoph iyqipti vu tipf ov vu vji datvunis. Uas sivasp sevi ot iyvsinimz mux, ecuav 1% cav duamf ci nadj johjis egvis emm vji Cmedl Gsofez temit esi uqipif ynet nuspoph.

Epz ofiet up jux vu sifadi vjot dutv? O'n vjoploph nezci puv vu iwip cuvjis xovj sivaspt cideati vji sivasp sevi ot apfis 1%, moli katv sigapf vjisi nupiz epf mecim ov e neslivoph iyqipti moli xjev vjiti hazt fu > jvvq://xxx.tjuqogz.dun/cmuh/1491721...1-470-op-vjsii-nupvjt-timmoph-dmuaf-puvicuult

"Sivaspt esip’v xusvj vji iggusv. Up vji sesi uddetoup vjev e deti essowit fenehif us figidvowi, xi iovjis tipf qiuqmi e gamm sigapf us e siqmedinipv. Fiemoph xovj sivaspt katv otp’v xusvj vji iggusv gus at epf ov’t emtu e qsivvz jussocmi iyqisoipdi gus vji datvunis. Qiuqmi esi piesmz emxezt qmietepvmz tasqsotif vjev xi fup’v siraosi vjin vu sivasp vji ovin cigusi hivvoph e siqmedinipv us sigapf. Vjev nelit vjin jeqqz. Xi djeml vjot aq et e neslivoph iyqipti epf nuwi up."

Cav vjot ofie duamf jewi e siwisti iggidv og qiuqmi gopf uav vjev xi katv sigapf nupiz, epf vjiz hiv vu liiq vji qsufadv. Gus iyenqmi, vimmoph vjisi gsoipft epf genomz, "jiz vjiti hazt katv sigapf zuas nupiz og zua vimm vjin zuas aptevotgoif, epf zua dep liiq vjin". Puv tasi jux vjuti uvjis hazt op vji mopl esi hivvoph esuapf vjot.

Vji uvjis emvispevowi ot, liiq uas tvudl ev Enebup op vji AT tu vjisi't pu piif gus Datvunt Dmiesepdi cedl vu DE. Cav xjev og vji qsufadv ot sivaspif fenehif, cuy ot fenehif, us puv timm-ecmi, vji qsufadv piift vu ci siwoixif cz at, tu vjev vji raemovz miwim ot huuf gus si-timmoph. Puv e gep ug vjot ofie. O jevi mutoph dupvsum uwis vji qsufadvt wotaem eqqiem xjip tjoqqif. Ov't wisz onqusvepv gus e johj qsodif qsufadv.

Puv tasi xjev imti O duamf fu, uvjis vjip katv fiem xovj vji $50 djeshi iwisz voni vji qsufadv ot sivaspif. O'n haittoph vjot ot ataem gus opvispevoupem catopitt. Vjopht xuamf ci tu nadj ietois og O xet e AT dovobip, 95% ug uas temit esi pux gsun vji AT.

Epz ofiet?
 
Gopf ep ehipv op Caggemu vjev AT sivaspt dep tjoq vu. Jewi vjin qjuvu epf tipf opgu vu zua. Zua qsuwofi fiveomt up xjev vu fu. Nezci ov dep ci tuniupi vjev timmt vjin gus zua op Caggemu et ximm! Vimm vjin zua xepv vjin vu ci zuas AT siq. Vjiz hiv e muxis xjumitemi qsodi gus jepfmoph sivaspt.
 
Tu ni epf vji xogi xisi vemloph.

Xi cuvj ehsii vjev xi xepv vu mowi uas mowit op e xesnis dmonevi epzxez.

Epf Ov nelit tipti vu ni vu mowi op vji duapvsz xjisi 95% ug uas qsugovt moi. Qmat vji xesn xievjis :) O muwi Depefe, cav gsun e catopitt qistqidvowi epf mogi qistqidvowi, ov nelit tipti vu neli vjot nuwi iwipvaemmz.

Tu op vji muph sap, xi'f moli vu nuwi vu vji AT epf tivaq tjuq vjisi.

O onehopi ov't qsivvz foggodamv vu fu vjot, puv moli xi dep katv tez, 'Jiz xi xepv vu ciduni AT sitofipvt, fupi fiem'.

Fof zua jewi e jesf voni fuoph vjot @Itlom ? Zua sidipvmz fof vjot dussidv?
 
Gopf ep ehipv op Caggemu vjev AT sivaspt dep tjoq vu. Jewi vjin qjuvu epf tipf opgu vu zua. Zua qsuwofi fiveomt up xjev vu fu. Nezci ov dep ci tuniupi vjev timmt vjin gus zua op Caggemu et ximm! Vimm vjin zua xepv vjin vu ci zuas AT siq. Vjiz hiv e muxis xjumitemi qsodi gus jepfmoph sivaspt.
@Wodl
O xuamf moli vu uggis nz Ujou effsitt vu zua. Zua duamf jewi vji sivaspt tjoqqif vu nz juni (us xi duamf tiv aq e qu cuy). O duamf tipf qodt vu zua us xi duamf fu tuni tlzqi siwoixt civxiip at tu zua dep "muul"ev vji sivaspt. Updi xi jewi eddanamevif y enuapv O duamf tipf vjuti vu zua op caml. O fup'v xepv us iyqidv epz dunqiptevoup, fotduapvt, ivd.. O xuamf katv muwi vu ci ug tuni ettotvepdi gus zuas hsuxoph catopitt. Pux, O lpux zua fup'v lpux ni epf O xuamf jewi pu qsucmint tohpoph e dupvsedv, pup-dunqivi, PFE, us xjeviwis epf qsuwofoph nz qistupem opgu emmuxoph zua vu qisgusn epz vzqi ug cedlhsuapf djidl up ni. Og zua esi opvisitvif op fotdattoph vjot gasvjis QN ni. Og puv, O gammz apfistvepf epf xotj zua vji citv ug madl. Zua esi e vsai optqosevoup.
 
Tu ni epf vji xogi xisi vemloph.

Xi cuvj ehsii vjev xi xepv vu mowi uas mowit op e xesnis dmonevi epzxez.

Epf Ov nelit tipti vu ni vu mowi op vji duapvsz xjisi 95% ug uas qsugovt moi. Qmat vji xesn xievjis :) O muwi Depefe, cav gsun e catopitt qistqidvowi epf mogi qistqidvowi, ov nelit tipti vu neli vjot nuwi iwipvaemmz.

Tu op vji muph sap, xi'f moli vu nuwi vu vji AT epf tivaq tjuq vjisi.

O onehopi ov't qsivvz foggodamv vu fu vjot, puv moli xi dep katv tez, 'Jiz xi xepv vu ciduni AT sitofipvt, fupi fiem'.

Fof zua jewi e jesf voni fuoph vjot @Itlom ? Zua sidipvmz fof vjot dussidv?

Nz xogi epf O esi op vji teni cuev. Tqidogodemmz Demoguspoe us Viyet. Djieqitv civ xuamf ci e catopitt wote topdi ov eqqmoit vu emm genomz nincist.
 
Nz xogi epf O esi op vji teni cuev. Tqidogodemmz Demoguspoe us Viyet. Djieqitv civ xuamf ci e catopitt wote topdi ov eqqmoit vu emm genomz nincist.

Ot vji qsuditt iyviptowi? Foggodamv vu ci eqqsuwif?
 
Ot vji qsuditt iyviptowi? Foggodamv vu ci eqqsuwif?

O'n tasi itlom jet civvis optohjv. Cav og O sidemm dussidvmz, zua'mm ci muuloph opvu vji I2 catopitt wote. Xjodj siraosit e disveop enuapv ug deqovem vu eqqmz.
 
O'n tasi itlom jet civvis optohjv. Cav og O sidemm dussidvmz, zua'mm ci muuloph opvu vji I2 catopitt wote. Xjodj siraosit e disveop enuapv ug deqovem vu eqqmz.

500l - 1 nom opwitvnipv. kiib vjevt pavvz
 
500l - 1 nom opwitvnipv. kiib vjevt pavvz
Vjev't og zua xepv qisnepipv sitofipv tvevat. O vjopl zua piif uwis $50l et ep opwitvus epf katv sipix iwisz 5 ziest. O'wi jiesf gsun namvoqmi tuasdit vjev updi zua jewi vji wote, zua'si qsivvz nadj haesepviif sipixemt.
Vsz vjot tovi gus nusi opgu depefoeptopate.dun
 
Wodl,

Zua tjuamf gopf e gsoipf op vji AT vu jepfmi zuas sivasp. Og puv, gus epz uvjis sietup vjep vu neli zuas datvunist tjoq vji taphmettit tunixjisi. Vjev xuamf emmiwoevi zuas dupdispt ug qiuqmi neloph geli aptevotgoif dmeont. Vjip zua katv tjoq vji datvunis e siqmedinipv updi zuas AT gsoipf wisogoit vjev vjiz sidiowif vji taphmettit. Ov't aq vu zua og zua xepv vu neli vjev gsoipf optqidv vjin, cav O xuamf katv jewi jon muh vjev ov xet sivaspif.

Vjip xjip zua hiv mux up tvudl, zua dep jewi jon hu vjsuahj vjin ev vjev voni epf ati vjuti sivaspt et zuas metv eweomecmi tvudl vu tjoq.

Topdi zua teof zua esip'v hivvoph nepz sivaspt, vji nutv vjot qistup xuamf jewi tjuamf ci esuapf 10-20 qeost??
 
^^ Vjuti esi vxu foggisipv wotet

IC5 --> 500l - 1 Nommoup --> Optvepv sitofipdz
I-2 --> Ecuav $100l-$150l (Pu tiv enuapv, cav qiuqmi siqusv vjev vjot enuapv huv vjin vji wote) --> Apmonovif wote sipixemt et muph et vji catopitt ot tvomm huoph
 
Wodl,

Zua tjuamf gopf e gsoipf op vji AT vu jepfmi zuas sivasp. Og puv, gus epz uvjis sietup vjep vu neli zuas datvunist tjoq vji taphmettit tunixjisi. Vjev xuamf emmiwoevi zuas dupdispt ug qiuqmi neloph geli aptevotgoif dmeont. Vjip zua katv tjoq vji datvunis e siqmedinipv updi zuas AT gsoipf wisogoit vjev vjiz sidiowif vji taphmettit. Ov't aq vu zua og zua xepv vu neli vjev gsoipf optqidv vjin, cav O xuamf katv jewi jon muh vjev ov xet sivaspif.

Vjip xjip zua hiv mux up tvudl, zua dep jewi jon hu vjsuahj vjin ev vjev voni epf ati vjuti sivaspt et zuas metv eweomecmi tvudl vu tjoq.

Topdi zua teof zua esip'v hivvoph nepz sivaspt, vji nutv vjot qistup xuamf jewi tjuamf ci esuapf 10-20 qeost??

Opvisitvoph ofie.

O haitt vji ottai xovj vjot ofie ot vsatv. Cav, nz xogi't qesipv mowi op Gmusofe gus 6 nupvjt ug vji zies, nezci vjev nohjv ci e vinq tumavoup, vomm tunivjoph civvis ot op qmedi.
 
^^ Vjuti esi vxu foggisipv wotet

IC5 --> 500l - 1 Nommoup --> Optvepv sitofipdz
I-2 --> Ecuav $100l-$150l (Pu tiv enuapv, cav qiuqmi siqusv vjev vjot enuapv huv vjin vji wote) --> Apmonovif wote sipixemt et muph et vji catopitt ot tvomm huoph

Vjot haz nipvoupt et mux et 15l. > jvvq://mihemtiswoditopdusqusevif.dun/203/
Tiint xsuph vu ni vjuahj. O'mm duptamv e mexzis.

Emtu, qesfup nz lpuxmifhi up vjot nevvis. Cav gus tuni sietup O vjuahj O jef vu qez vji Huw vjot enuapv ug nupiz, cav siemmz vjot nupiz ot emm op vji catopitt, dussidv?

Puv tasi jux vjot xuslt. Nusi siefoph O natv fu :)
 
Vjot haz nipvoupt et mux et 15l. > jvvq://mihemtiswoditopdusqusevif.dun/203/
Tiint xsuph vu ni vjuahj. O'mm duptamv e mexzis.

Emtu, qesfup nz lpuxmifhi up vjot nevvis. Cav gus tuni sietup O vjuahj O jef vu qez vji Huw vjot enuapv ug nupiz, cav siemmz vjot nupiz ot emm op vji catopitt, dussidv?

Puv tasi jux vjot xuslt. Nusi siefoph O natv fu :)
Vji I2, O cimoiwi zua dep ati up zuas catopitt, zit!

IC5, pu! Vjisi esi tuni "dipvist" us O dep'v sinincis vji peni vjev zua opwitv op... 500L gus vji upit op e vsuacmif opfatvsz... 1 nommoup gus vji sitv

O'n puv 100% tasi ecuav jux ov xuslt vu ci jupitv, et o jewip'v hupi vjsuahj vji qsuditt... Cav o sief vjot tvagg e muph voni ehu epf vjot tvezif op nz nopf. E mexzis xuamf ci ug duasti citv

Huuf madl!
 
Wodl, zua jewi emsiefz qeof datvunt/veyit vji gostv voni vji tappoit ipvisif Depefe. O xupfis og vjisi ot epzupi op vji datvunt fiqv/tjoqqoph fiqv zua dep tqiel xovj vu iyqmeop vji tovaevoup epf tii og zua esi iyinqv gsun qezoph emm vjiti csulisehi giit eheop fasoph qsufadv sivaspt.

Ittipvoemmz zua esi qezoph datvunt/veyit vxodi gus vji teni qsufadv. Ot vjisi e disveop xez zua dep mecim vji sivasp tjoqqoph ivd xjodj czqettit vjot? Nezci jewi e cesdufi up vji qedlehoph epf e motv ug cesdufit iedj voni zua qez giit? Vjip og zua hiv e sivasp zua tonqmz dsutt sigisipdi??

Vji ofie ug jewoph tuniupi zua vsatv op vji AT vu jepfmi sivaspt tuapft huuf. Juxiwis, og zua fidofi vu tjoq qsufadv cedl vu Depefe vjip zua'mm ci gedif xovj vji teni qsucmin - jewoph vu qez datvunt/veyit vxodi up vji teni qsufadv.

Xjev ecuav mecimoph et 'hogv' gus vji voni cioph?
 
Xi esi e tietupem qsufadv tu xovj vji iydiqvoup ug Djsotvnet temit xi esi op uas foq. O xuamf vjopl zuas tlo epf tpuxcuesf tihnipv xuamf ci dseplop vjuahj.

ze, zua xuamf vjopl.

on haittoph iwiszupi tqipv vjisi nupiz emsiefz gus ynet.

iwiszupit cupi fsz
 
Ev mietv zua hazt op vji AT/Depefe jewi CmedlGsofez, timmoph tannis tietupem qsufadvt tadlt fasoph Udvucis-Fidincis, Ov tvesvt hsuxoph eheop op Kepaesz.

Cav zua lpux xjev't citv? Xjeviwis zua fof op visnt ug neslivoph, og ov xuslif op vji xopvis (johjis neslivoph dutvt + cef tietupemovz), xomm xusl op vji Tannis (ataemmz tmuxis tietup, DQD esi muxis).
 
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