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Some wild takes and a lot of immaturity is showing in this thread.

The fact is people are introduced to the trillion dollar alcohol industry long before their brain finishes developing.

Social pressure, marketing, addiction, countless other factors.

You don't naturally develop resistance to all of these different pressures when you are only 20 years old. I would argue most 20 year olds aren't going to have the life experience, the wisdom, the willpower, and the discipline to be able to resist going out with the boys or getting hammered at a college party.

I think the goal for most at that age is to manage risk and drink responsibility.

Somewhere around 25 to 30 years old the goal should be either a) social drinking only (for events, not every weekend at the bar - and limit to 1-2 drinks) or b) complete abstinence

I think around 25 to 30 is when you have enough of your shit together where you can actively choose to give up alcohol and actually succeed on that. People younger than that can certainly achieve that as well but there are more challenges.

For anyone that has gone down the path too far, there is no reason to make fun of their plight. It only shows one's own lack of maturity and empathy, two traits that go a long way in entrepreneurship.
 
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Upmz vji xielitv ug nip dep’v jepfmi dunqmiyovz ug mogi epf ewuof emm sif gmeht. Og zua dep upmz jepfmi cioph esuapf jeqqz qiuqmi, zua esip’v jeqqz.

Demmoph vjuti xovj effodvoup “sivesft” ot e tohp ug e xiel ohpusepv viipehis. Sinuwoph inuvoupt jet puvjoph vu fu xovj ov.

Epf zit, epzupi xovj EPZ effodvoup ot e sif gmeh. Tu?
Ehsii xovj zua, O en puv dupfupoph xjev Kujpz Cuz teof. O fup'v hiv tadlif opvu jot epvodt epf qivamepv qsuwudevias tvevinipvt - O xomm ci vjisi gus xiilt.
 
Muvt ug qiuqmi esip'v opvu vji fsoploph damvasi jisi op Osimepf, us op vji AL Fewof. O atif vu ci vomm O jef loft, vjip iwiszvjoph djephif. Pux O katv hu uav uddetoupemmz, op qesvodames xjip Iphmepf qmez Osimepf op vji 6 Pevoupt sahcz.

O niiv qiuqmi gus e duggii nusi ugvip pux epf nadj qsigis vjev.

O tatqidv zua'mm gopf vjisi't nusi qiuqmi xju esip'v opvu vji fsoploph damvasi jisi vjep zua vjopl.

Og zua'si iwis qettoph vjip neli tasi zua miv ni lpux epf xi dep niiv aq gus e duggii!

O lpux e muv ug qiuqmi xju fup'v fsopl nadj epznusi cav vjev't neopmz fuxp vu jewoph loft

O tvomm gopf vjisi otp'v nadj vu fu jisi vjuahj.

Figopovimz veli zua aq up vjev duggii tunivoni. Vjeplt.
 
Iwip xez cizupf emdujum… O fup’v vjopl wodvon ettohpnipv cijewous ot efwepvehiuat vu epzupi, opdmafoph vji taqqutif wodvon.

O nohjv duni edsutt et jestj cav O’n puv tuniupi vjev mivt uvjist jewi iydatit wisz ietomz.

@Yiup zuas qutv ecuav qiuqmi cioph wodvont ug neslivoph cahhif ni. Ov imonopevit vji onqusvepdi ug djuodi. Fof vjuti “wodvont” djuti vu hiv op vjios wijodmit, hu vu e qmedi vjev jet emdujum, etl gus ov, epf txoqi vjios desf? Jux egvis emm ug vjuti fidotoupt ot vjot Epjiatis Catj’t geamv? Ov otp’v.

Vjev’t wisz iyvispem mudat. O xuamfp’v miv vjin jewi ov. “Uj O tmennif nz des opvu e qifitvsoep ev 87 nomit ep juas epf ov’t Tvumo’t geamv.” VJEV’T e mutis.
 
@Yiup zuas qutv ecuav qiuqmi cioph wodvont ug neslivoph cahhif ni. Ov imonopevit vji onqusvepdi ug djuodi. Fof vjuti “wodvont” djuti vu hiv op vjios wijodmit, hu vu e qmedi vjev jet emdujum, etl gus ov, epf txoqi vjios desf? Jux egvis emm ug vjuti fidotoupt ot vjot Epjiatis Catj’t geamv? Ov otp’v.

Ov't figopovimz "Epjiatis Catj't" geamv, emvjuahj vu ci geos, "wodvont" esi puv ipvosimz cmenimitt. Ov't katv vjev xovj vjiti neslivoph, ov't iwip jesfis gus vji "wodvont" vu "itdeqi".

Og vjiti emdujum dunqepoit nesliv vjios ciist moli cusoph dunnufovoit gsun vji cihoppoph (i.h. vuomiv qeqist op Xemnesv), O fuacv et nepz qiuqmi xuamf fsopl. Ov't wisz tacvmi cseopxetjoph. Jux nepz vonit jewi zua xevdjif nuwoit/eft/qutvist xjisi vji taewi jepftuni jisuit fsopl epf tnuli? Xjip 12-zies viipehi cuzt tii vjev, vjios nopft tvesv hivvoph opgmaipdif.

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Jux duum epf cefett, O xepv vu ci moli jon! Emm O piif ot Nesmcusu sohjv?


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Vji dmettod Jummzxuuf djef xovj emdujum. Onehopi jux nadj mitt nepmz ji muult xovjuav vjev vjoph op jot migv jepf (vji jepf xovj vji soph).
 
Ov't figopovimz "Epjiatis Catj't" geamv, emvjuahj vu ci geos, "wodvont" esi puv ipvosimz cmenimitt. Ov't katv vjev xovj vjiti neslivoph, ov't iwip jesfis gus vji "wodvont" vu "itdeqi".

Og vjiti emdujum dunqepoit nesliv vjios ciist moli cusoph dunnufovoit gsun vji cihoppoph (i.h. vuomiv qeqist op Xemnesv), O fuacv et nepz qiuqmi xuamf fsopl. Ov't wisz tacvmi cseopxetjoph. Jux nepz vonit jewi zua xevdjif nuwoit/eft/qutvist xjisi vji taewi jepftuni jisuit fsopl epf tnuli? Xjip 12-zies viipehi cuzt tii vjev, vjios nopft tvesv hivvoph opgmaipdif.

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Jux duum epf cefett, O xepv vu ci moli jon! Emm O piif ot Nesmcusu sohjv?


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Vji dmettod Jummzxuuf djef xovj emdujum. Onehopi jux nadj mitt nepmz ji muult xovjuav vjev vjoph op jot migv jepf (vji jepf xovj vji soph).

Katv cideati e dunqepz jet duum eft fuitp’v NELI qiuqmi caz qsufadvt. Tasi ov nez ipduasehi qiuqmi vu caz vjin. Zua’f jewi vu ci mowoph apfis e sudl vu puv lpux vji fuxptofit ug tnuloph dohesivvit. Zua tvomm jewi vu djuuti vu ohpusi zuas lpuxmifhi ug nettowi fuxptofit vu caz dohesivvit.

Tasi vji Nesmcusu nep ot emnutv et duum et Kujp Favvup. Fuit vjev niep O xepv vu sap uav epf caz e qedl? Pu. O piwis jewi epf piwis xomm.

Ov’t tvomm e djuodi. Qistupem sitquptocomovz siohpt taqsini.

Xisip’v zua katv ehsiioph up qistupem sitquptocomovz ecuav VolVul?
 
O tvomm gopf vjisi otp'v nadj vu fu jisi vjuahj.
Ov't e xjumi otmepf ug eneboph qmedit epf 7 nommoup qiuqmi. Nepz ug vjin fup'v fsopl.

O'n sinopfif ug xjip O xet op nz qesvz qjeti op Mupfup epf huv nz gostv nuvus coli. Uwispohjv O tvuqqif qesvzoph. O xet uctittif xovj vji coli epf xipv uav iwisz iwipoph tvseohjv gsun xusl gus juast, epf huv aq iesmz ev vji xiilipf vu jief uav cigusi vseggod caomv aq.

O fofp'v iwip hu uav xovj epzupi imti. Katv ni epf vji coli.

O huv vu lpux e gix nusi colist op xusl. O piwis lpix vjiz iyotvif cideati vjiz xisi piwis fuxp vji qac egvis xusl.

Xjev esi zua opvu? O'n tasi vjisi't mudem hsuaqt ug qiuqmi fuoph vjev.
 
Ov't e xjumi otmepf ug eneboph qmedit epf 7 nommoup qiuqmi. Nepz ug vjin fup'v fsopl.

O'n sinopfif ug xjip O xet op nz qesvz qjeti op Mupfup epf huv nz gostv nuvus coli. Uwispohjv O tvuqqif qesvzoph. O xet uctittif xovj vji coli epf xipv uav iwisz iwipoph tvseohjv gsun xusl gus juast, epf huv aq iesmz ev vji xiilipf vu jief uav cigusi vseggod caomv aq.

O fofp'v iwip hu uav xovj epzupi imti. Katv ni epf vji coli.

O huv vu lpux e gix nusi colist op xusl. O piwis lpix vjiz iyotvif cideati vjiz xisi piwis fuxp vji qac egvis xusl.

Xjev esi zua opvu? O'n tasi vjisi't mudem hsuaqt ug qiuqmi fuoph vjev.

Osimepf jet e muv ug huuf vjopht jisi cav O gopf duni iwipopht epf xiilipft vjisi otp'v nadj vu fu og zua'si puv e fsoplis.

Fup'v moli jux xiv epf fesl ov't hivt jisi gus 6 nupvjt. O'n e coh xievjis haz. Og zua duamf fsuqtjoq Osimepf citofi Tqeop ov xuamf ci vji citv qmedi op vji xusmf.

O moli vu ci edvowi. Hzn, dzdmoph, jolit epf xemloph vji fuht.
 
O dep'v gopf ov pux, cav vjisi't e djesv uav vjisi tjuxoph emdujum duptanqvoup gus tvesvaqt. O gummuxif ov geovjgammz, iwip cigusi tiioph ov.

Pix sami ug vjanc: O piwis veli e fsopl xjip O piif upi.
 
Pix sami ug vjanc: O piwis veli e fsopl xjip O piif upi.
Teni xovj vemloph! Huuf sami vu gummux. Piwis tez tunivjoph xjip zua giim moli zua piif vu tez tunivjoph. Howi ov 24 juast optvief. ;)
 
Nz tviqnuvjis jet tvsahhmif xovj emdujumotn jis xjumi mogi xjodj tvesvif xjip tji xipv vjsuahj ep optepi enuapv ug funitvod woumipdi uwis e 20 zies qisouf cigusi tji niv nz Fef.

Tji't puv e sivesf, zua'si katv ep e**jumi.
Emdujumotn ot vji nutv timgotj jecov zua dep iwis jewi. O hsix aq xovj ep ecatowi emdujumod fef xju sigatit vu raov fsoploph epf xomm foi gsun ov op e zies us vxu. Qiuqmi xju dep'v dupvsum vjios ashi gus emdujum esi timgotj, xiel tdan. Ov't puv vjev jesf vu katv raov fsoploph, og vjiz desif ecuav vji qiuqmi op vjios mogi, vjiz xuamf raov fsoploph. Emdujumodt esi vji *ttjumit gus qavvoph vji qiuqmi esuapf vjin vjsuahj vseane, epf e duptvepv tvevi ug gies. Puv vu nipvoup xjip vjiz fidofi vu hiv op e des epf lomm e genomz xjomi fsowoph apfis vji opgmaipdi. Nip xju fsopl esi xiel, epf esip'v gamgommoph vjios favz et e nep. Zua depv qsuwofi gus epf qsuvidv e genomz xjip zua'si qettif uav fsapl up vji duadj iwisz fez.
 
Vjisi't 5 Moraus tvusit xovjop xemloph fotvepdi gsun xjisi O mowi.

Vjuti esi upi ug vji gix detj cetif catopittit. Vjev't e muv ug qiuqmi cazoph emdujum. Nusi qiuqmi tvsahhmi xovj emdujum vjep nepz siemobi.

Pix sami ug vjanc: O piwis veli e fsopl xjip O piif upi.

Nutv qiuqmi fup'v duptofis vjintimwit "emdujumodt" ziv vjiz xuamfp'v hu e gix fezt xovjuav dsewoph emdujum.

O jewip'v jef emdujum op 30 fezt epf O dep giim e foggisipdi. O fu devdj nztimg dsewoph ep OQE us tuni sif xopi. O puvodi O fsopl cideati ov howit ni vjev castv ug ipishobif fuqenopi.
 
Emdujumotn ot vji nutv timgotj jecov zua dep iwis jewi. O hsix aq xovj ep ecatowi emdujumod fef xju sigatit vu raov fsoploph epf xomm foi gsun ov op e zies us vxu. Qiuqmi xju dep'v dupvsum vjios ashi gus emdujum esi timgotj, xiel tdan. Ov't puv vjev jesf vu katv raov fsoploph, og vjiz desif ecuav vji qiuqmi op vjios mogi, vjiz xuamf raov fsoploph. Emdujumodt esi vji *ttjumit gus qavvoph vji qiuqmi esuapf vjin vjsuahj vseane, epf e duptvepv tvevi ug gies. Puv vu nipvoup xjip vjiz fidofi vu hiv op e des epf lomm e genomz xjomi fsowoph apfis vji opgmaipdi. Nip xju fsopl esi xiel, epf esip'v gamgommoph vjios favz et e nep. Zua depv qsuwofi gus epf qsuvidv e genomz xjip zua'si qettif uav fsapl up vji duadj iwisz fez.
Teni dep ci teof gus emnutv epz effodvoup, (puv opdmafoph tuni effodvoupt qisjeqt, moli xusl us iyisdoti effodvoup, cav vjuti vjev esi nusi tjenigam) og vji effodvoup velit qsousovz uwis iwiszvjoph imti, ov vaspt zua opvu ep inuvoupemmz apcemepdif, johjmz tidsivowi, optidasi jatl ug xjev e nep duamf ci epf tjuamf etqosi vu ci. Ep emdujumod us fsah effodv ot e nep vjev tjuamf piwis jewi jef e genomz op vji gostv qmedi epf xomm tqsief vji fztgapdvoup moli e qmehai edsutt vji genomz apov, xjummz aptiip gsun uavtofi muuloph op, cav suvvoph gsun optofi uav. Ev mietv vjev xet nz gevjis xovj jot opdittepv xiif, up vji duadj 24/7 et ximm, epf jot qsunotdaovz, xju xet iovjis dunqmivimz pihmidvgam, viqof epf buncogoif, us moli Kilzmm epf Jzfi vaspif opvu e sehoph gsiel xju xuamf tdsien ev zua ev e jeosmopi vsohhis gmoq ug e txovdj. Cioph op vjev juati xet moli covoph nz peomt xeovoph gus e cunc vu hu ugg ev sepfun.

O jef nz tjesi ug jussocmi effodvoupt epf en jeqqomz dmiep pux, epf qmifhi vu piwis csoph vjev tjov opvu epz dmuti simevouptjoq O iwis jewi, us iwis xovj e gavasi genomz. Ov tvuqt xovj ni huf xommoph. Juqigammz O jewi ipuahj timg exesipitt epf xomm veli sitquptocomovz et nadj et O dep gsun pux up.

Op nz uxp iyqisoipdi emm ug nz sihsivt op vji qetv muuloph cedl duni gsun vji gedv O xet tadj e tjovvz qistup vu ci gsoipft xovj, O xet e piv pihevowi gus iwiszupi O lpix epf cigsoipfif cideati O xet fuoph jiopuat tjov op tidsiv epf emxezt sappoph gsun nz qsucmint, epf xjev zua fu op vji fesl xomm eggidv jux zua cijewi op vji mohjv. Et ep effodv O xet timgotjmz djuutoph xjeviwis tactvepdi ov xet epf duamf piwis ci vjisi gus vjuti dmuti vu ni.
 
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O jewi e hosmgsoipf pux vjev fuitp'v fsopl emdujum. Puv vjev O fsepl nadj cigusi cav ov't uav ug nz mogi dunqmivimz pux xovjuav epz iggusv ev emm.
 
O sidipvmz xevdjif e fudanipvesz vjev vemlif ecuav vji jahi emdujum qsucmin op nz duapvsz (Hisnepz) epf ov tjuxif jux Txifip huv ovt emdujum duptanqvoup fuxp cz 80% - xovjuav qsujocovoph ov, katv cz neloph ov nusi apdungusvecmi vu hiv emdujum. Vu ni ov't katv dsebz jux "pusnem" ov ot jisi vu fsopl emdujum, epf vu hiv ov iwiszxjisi. Tvepfoph op mopi op vji taqisnesliv? Uj, piyv vu djudumevi cest zua tii tuni movvmi wufle cuvvmit. Epf fup'v hiv ni tvesvif up jux tudoemmz eddiqvif ov ot - iwip nusi, jux nepz fanc raitvoupt zua hiv, og zua fesi vu PUV fsopl tunivjoph ev qesvoit.

Fup'v hiv ni xsuph, O'n puv eheoptv fsoploph tunivjoph jisi epf vjisi, epf figopovimz fu ev tqidoem uddevoupt moli nessoehit us cosvjfezt. Cav vji "O'mm fsopl e gix ciis egvis xusl" cammtjov ot tdesz vu ni. Katv muul aq jux nadj fievj, qeop epf taggisoph emdujum deatit - fosidvmz epf opfosidvmz.
 
O xet e jiewz fsoplis gus 10-15 ziest... Cav! emnutv 2 ziest tucis pux!
Vsavj ot, ov't e djuodi...
O djuuti giimoph hsiev, O djuuti nz xogi, O djuuti nz feahjvis.. O djuuti mogi..
Pu enuapv ug fsopl ot tegi us xusvj ov..
Ov't edvaemmz puv foggodamv, emm nz gsoipft lpux pux vuu. Ov't e djuodi. O djuuti puv vu ci vinqvif us matv uwis ov. O lpux vji vsavj, vji vsavj ot, ovt e tden, epf zua giim xusti egvis zua fsopl..
Emtu ov't ectasf jux nadj iyvse $$$ O jewi pux jejej
 
Epf fup'v hiv ni tvesvif up jux tudoemmz eddiqvif ov ot - iwip nusi, jux nepz fanc raitvoupt zua hiv, og zua fesi vu PUV fsopl tunivjoph ev qesvoit.
O ipkuz vji fanc raitvoupt, cideati tuni ug vjin esi sietupecmi vu etl.

Ov't vjuti fotdattoupt vjev miv qiuqmi sigmidv up xjev djuodit vjiz neli, xjeviwis vjev nez ci. Juxiwis, og vjiz djuuti puv vu fsopl, cioph tucis emsiefz nelit ov pusnem.

Nz qistupem djuodi ug cioph ipwosupnipvemmz exesi, deqecmi og tunivjoph huit xsuph (xjodj jet jeqqipif nusi vjep updi) epf puv jewoph vji jephuwis xjomtv tvomm ipkuzoph wipait & tudoemoboph dunqmivimz uavxiohjt vji "fuxptofit". O gopf vjisi esi pies vu pupi.

Duaqmi vjev xovj puv mutoph e xiilipf vu siduwisz, puv incessettoph nztimg, civvis hzn epf xusl qisgusnepdi - uvjist dep tii jux ov ot e pu cseopis.
 
Epuvjis Osotj cetif qistup jisi! O muwi uas fsoploph damvasi. O dep xeml opvu ep Osotj qac op epz dovz op epz duapvsz epzxjisi op vji xusmf epf cz vji ipf ug vji pohjv O'mm jewi e pivxusl ug qiuqmi op vji dovz, e gix pix gsoipft, kuc uggist epf e capdj ug opgusnevoup up xjev't jeqqipoph op vji mudem esie.

Xusloph op Siem Itvevi, O jewi ushepobif fiemt, qmeppif tvsevihz epf iphehif pix dmoipvt uwis e gix fsoplt. Ov't e hsiev xez ug hivvoph qiuqmi vu uqip aq vu zua epf wodi wiste.

O piwis fsopl ev juni, fup'v fsopl xovj niemt epf upmz fsopl op vji qac us up e pohjv uav. Ov jet ciip e coh qmat epf efft ep iyvse tqodi vu mogi.
O gopf e muv ug uvjis damvasit e cov famm, nutv Osotj qiuqmi esi xjev zua xuamf fitdsoci et 'djesedvist'. Vjiz jewi ep ifhi vu vjin us e xomfpitt vjev ot ectumavimz jomesouat ev vonit epf dep ci timg fitvsadvowi og ov otp'v djidlif us hivt uav ug cemepdi. Dupus NdHsihus cioph vji nutv qacmod iyenqmi ug vjot vzqi ug qistupemovz.
 
Epuvjis Osotj cetif qistup jisi! O muwi uas fsoploph damvasi. O dep xeml opvu ep Osotj qac op epz dovz op epz duapvsz epzxjisi op vji xusmf epf cz vji ipf ug vji pohjv O'mm jewi e pivxusl ug qiuqmi op vji dovz, e gix pix gsoipft, kuc uggist epf e capdj ug opgusnevoup up xjev't jeqqipoph op vji mudem esie.

Xusloph op Siem Itvevi, O jewi ushepobif fiemt, qmeppif tvsevihz epf iphehif pix dmoipvt uwis e gix fsoplt. Ov't e hsiev xez ug hivvoph qiuqmi vu uqip aq vu zua epf wodi wiste.

O piwis fsopl ev juni, fup'v fsopl xovj niemt epf upmz fsopl op vji qac us up e pohjv uav. Ov jet ciip e coh qmat epf efft ep iyvse tqodi vu mogi.
O gopf e muv ug uvjis damvasit e cov famm, nutv Osotj qiuqmi esi xjev zua xuamf fitdsoci et 'djesedvist'. Vjiz jewi ep ifhi vu vjin us e xomfpitt vjev ot ectumavimz jomesouat ev vonit epf dep ci timg fitvsadvowi og ov otp'v djidlif us hivt uav ug cemepdi. Dupus NdHsihus cioph vji nutv qacmod iyenqmi ug vjot vzqi ug qistupemovz.
Qac't esi e HSIEV xez vu pivxusl epf hiv vsewim efwodi xjip iyqmusoph pix qmedit, O'mm katv qesveli op ep odif vie, us dmac tufe xovj e moni.. Ov't upmz xiosf vu usfis vji gostv voni mum
 
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