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@Xeon Thanks a lot for taking the time to research this. I totally agree that he is no saint.
That being said there is a lot to learn from his marketing tactics. Personally, I have bought his new book after watching a couple of his free videos (that have the same info as what is inside the book). The reason is that for a beginner like me, it is a good overview of what to do to get leads and how to advertise.
In addition, I prefer to have something in writing so I can reference it. That means that, for me, spending the money saves me time instead of taking notes and watching hours of videos, rewinding the video, etc..
@The-J You rock! You hit the nail on the head with this one! We should use their tactics but always do the right thing. Always remember selling snake oil is not a good practice in the long run! At some point, you will be discovered.
Panos Daras. What is your opinion? Mine is (mostly) negative.
Mainly because he started this thread. What a colossal waste of energy. This is 6 pages of blah blah blah blah blah.
The only interesting thing to come out of this thread is seeing Andy Black actually express a negative emotion. I didn't know he had it in him. Lol.
@Xeon if you don't like Hormozi's stuff then who do you like and what are you learning? Cause it seems like you made dozens of posts on who is trending - and no posts on actual good content that is helping you to take action.
Xeon is still an employee. Xeon will probably always be an employee.
I'll admit his Hormozi takedown post was as epic as any takedown post I've seen, but he actually takes the time to write epic takedown posts.
It's cool that you are trying to gleen something of value from him, but keep in mind Xeon is an employee. Xeon will probably always be an employee.
If I were more Xeon-like I would link to his comments that lead me to form this opinion, but who has that kind of time?
According to your mindset, if Bill Gates were to say Alex is a scam artist of the worst kind, we'd have to believe him, because he's richer than us (or Alex). I don't believe what someone says just because they have money. I believe it if it makes sense, it's rational and logical. Why do you believe things based on them being said by a rich person?
This is exactly why the current generation (not you, folks much younger than you) is so dumb – they take life advice from all sorts of influencers, most whom are in no position to give advice of any kind. They don't know what to believe, and they end up believing that by some sort of magic, by being close to those people, something will rob off them, and they too will make lots of money. A ripoff of the law of attraction really.
Straw man.
You shouldn't take dieting advice from a fat person. You should take money advice from a poor person. You shouldn't take relationship advice from a single 5x divorcee.
This is common sense. And good advice.
But that is not the same thing as saying:
You should take dieting advice from a thin person. You should take money advice from a rich person. You should take relationship advice from someone married for 50 yrs.
And that is how you twisted his words.
The thin, rich, long term married person still might have unhealthy bad advice to share.
But on a side note, you really want to listen to the broke, fat, frequently divorced person?
Because that's what Likwid is saying. You don't have to listen to anyone, but definitely don't listen to "experts" whose life doesn't reflect the product of their expertise.
This is just common sense.
Which ain't so common anymore.
I think someone already talked about how good advice is being taken to the extreme and this is simply another example of that.
I don't know you and you don't know me.
All I'm going to say is the guy built and sold $100M business in 4 years. This is an absolute fact. And it wasn't built on a scam. I'm not sure where this scammer thing comes from.
I have also implemented what he taught me and built a mid range 7 figure business, soon to be 8 figures.
I just have to ask, since I don't know you and don't have time to search the forum. What are your credentials? What have you built?
Let me paraphrase BD's response the last time he was confronted in such a way.
He's younger than you. Of course he's not as rich as you.
The only reason he isn't as rich as you is time. Just give him time and he'll conquer the world or something like that...
I'd happily cite the comment, but as I said above I ain't got time for that. Lol.
But to answer your question. He built an agency, tore it to the studs, and built a second agency bigger than the first. If you told me he's in the seven figure territory, I'd be shocked. FWIW I do believe he'll get there someday.
He's no Alex Hormozi, but he believes he is as good or better and "he knows how those guys think".
Oh, Hormozi built $100M in 4 years? I swear I've been talking to BD for 4 years.
Hey BD are you at $100M yet?
What Hormozi did for gyms I'm sure BD could do for....some industry.
Okay, I have sufficiently added to this waste o time meeting of the minds. To quote Andy Black,
"I'm out".
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