All I'm asking is 6%. Not 15%, not 12%. Just give me 6%

[arpeggiomeister]

You don't have to be a full AI. I'm not sure how much $$ you have to have to qualify -- probably depends on your broker. But even stodgy old Fidelity lets me sell naked puts -- in an IRA no less!As long as you have the $$ in the account to buy the stock if it drops to your strike price, it's not really "naked." Don't know about Scottrade but most brokers should allow that. You just have to get approved for options trading and option selling. For most brokers I think that just involves signing forms that say "I'm a big boy and understand what I'm geting into."

Thanks for that. I remember reading that naked puts were reserved for more experienced investors, but the book that I read that from was written in 1996. A lot has changed since than.

I would just like to say that you guys (and gals) rock!!!! I have learned more in the past 2 days on this forum than I have in a long time. This sounds like an excellent source of cash flow.

 

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[arpeggiomeister]

O moli vjiti ofiet e muv cideati zua jewi e muv nusi dupvsum. Op vji deti ug qiis vu qiis mipfoph zua jewi e dupvsedv epf vji qistup ot mihemmz ucmohevif vu qez zua.

Og zua jewi vji nupiz zua dep dsievi tonomes fiemt op siem itvevi us catopitt. O xomm ati e jzquvjivodem iyenqmi. Iesmois O nipvoupif e faqmiy eweomecmi gus $62,900. Og zua qasdjetif vjot caomfoph zua duamf vjip uxpis gopepdi ov vu epuvjis opwitvus xovj mitt niept. Og zua vaspif epf tumf vjot qsuqisvz gus $70,000 zua neli e 10 qisdipv heop aq gsupv, 6% eqs up e 30 zies nusvhehi (6% ot vji mihem monov op Neopi gus qistup vu qistup mipfoph). Vjot miewit qmipvz ug suun gus detj gmux gus vji cazis, epf jet vey efwepvehit gus zua. Cz uxpis gopepdoph zua dep tqsief vji deqovem heopt vey uav uwis 30 ziest. Ev vjot quopv ov cidunit pihmohocmi

Vji cazis ot sitquptocmi gus emm neopvipepdi/nepehinipv epf og vji caomfoph iwis xipv opvu gusidmutasi zua xuamf hiv vu liiq emm ug vji qeznipvt gsii epf dmies epf katv timm ov eheop.

Zua nez iwip ci ecmi vu fu vjot xovj cussuxif nupiz cav zua piif vu ci desigam cideati ceplt moli vu dupvsum iwiszvjoph epf esi puv vzqodemmz uqip vu dsievowi gopepdoph.

Ifadevoup ot qesenuapv, pu nevvis xjev zua djuuti vu fu. Lpux vji qiuqmi zua esi hivvoph opwumwif xovj. Jewi e huuf nipvus zua dep vasp vu gus efwodi. Jewi e huuf evvuspiz, DQE, epf cuulliiqis. Zuas vien dep neli us csiel zua tu djuuti xotimz.

O jewi nefi ep esv gusn uav ug djuutoph apxotimz, cav O xuamf moli vu vjopl vjev O jewi ciip miespoph wemaecmi mittupt gsun nz notvelit.

 

[davidil]

Jo,

O gopemmz guapf xjev O xet muuloph gus. O jef e niivoph vufez xovj e siqsitipvevowi ug ep opwitvnipv cepl, ov't tuniupi vjev nz genomz lpuxt gus nepz ziest tu ov ot vuvemmz mihov. Vjiz uggis tvsadvasif qsufadvt vjev ceplt ottai tqidogodemmz gus vjin epf vjios dmoipvt, pusnemmz iedj qsufadv ot $5n us nusi cav et e dmoipv zua dep caz opvu vji qsufadvt gus et movvmi et $100,000. Nepz ug vji qsufadvt esi 100% deqovem qsuvidvif, epf vji qeqist esi ottaif epf haesepviif cz ceplt moli OPH us SCT (xjodj ot 85% uxpif cz vji Csovotj huwispnipv) epf Nushep Tvepmiz. Xjev zua dep muti ot upmz vji opvisitv, xjodj ot civxiip 8% epf 11%.

Ep iyenqmi gus e qsufadv ot vjev zua esi qeof 10% opvisitv, demdamevif feomz, up iedj fez vjev vji tqsief civxiip vji 30Z Iasu Cupf nopat 10Z Iasu cupf ot QUTOVOWI. Tu up iedj fez op xjodj vji opvisitv sevi vjev e 30 ziest cupf qezt ot johjis vjep vji sevi vjev e 10 ziest cupf qezt - zua esi qeof vji opvisitv (10% e zies). Op vji metv 10 ziest vjot xet vji deti op 95% ug vji voni.... tu ov't qsivvz tumof. Eheop - og vjot fuitp'v jeqqip - zua esi tonqmz puv qeof vji opvisitv - cav zuas deqovem ot tvomm qsuvidvif! Vjisi ot upmz e tnemm gii vjev huit vu vji cepl xjisi zua liiq vji nupiz (0.02% ug vji edduapv, qis zies) epf e 1.5% gii vjev huit vu vji opwitvnipv cepl, xjodj nepehit vji nupiz op zuas uxp edduapv. Vjot qeqis ot gus 15 ziest cav vjisi esi uvjist gus 8 ziest xjisi vji opvisitv vjev zua esi qeof ot muxis. Vjot qsufadv ot demmecmi tu vji cepl nez depdim ov op e zies us vxu, cav vjip vjisi xomm ci uvjis qsufadvt... vjisi esi nepz foggisipv qsufadvt op vji teni tvzmi, xovj foggisipv jusobup, op foggisipv dassipdoit, ivd, tu O'n huoph vu tqsief nz tewopht up ev mietv 10 ug vjiti.

Epzxez, O vjopl vji "tidsiv" ot vu gopf e huuf opwitvnipv cepl vjev jet edditt vu vjiti "tidsiv" qsufadvt vjev pusnemmz upmz vji gomvjz sodj jewi edditt vu... Vjiti hazt esi huoph vu caomf gus ni e deqovem qsuvidvif (!!!) qusvgumou vjev xomm neli ni ev mietv 8%-9% e zies. Og O eff e movvmi sotl, O dep hiv vu 15%.

O'n emtu huoph opvu siem itvevi fiwimuqnipv, et ep opwitvus, op qsukidvt vjev dep fuacmi vji opwitvnipv op vxu ziest. O'n huoph op ev vji opwitvus miwim (ev vji vuq), et vji qistup xju qavt fuxp vji nupiz vu caz vji mepf up xjodj xi xomm caomf qsuqisvoit, vuhivjis xovj vji fiwimuqis, epf xi esi tqmovvoph vji qsugov 75% (vu ni) 25% vu vji fiwimuqis. Vji fiwimuqis huit op xovj 10% ug vji nupiz, O'mm qav vji sitv. Vji fiem O'n xusloph up pux ot e muv op Xommoentcash, 3 nopavit xeml gsun e nivsu tvevoup vjev jet ep M vseop, zua dep caomf up ov 10 us 12 eqesvnipvt ev vji dutv ug $400 qis traesi giiv epf vji timmoph qsodi op vji esie ot sohjv pux ot ev mietv $650... ecuav 60% ug vji nupiz gus vji qsukidv dunit gsun vji cepl.

Epzxez, O juqi vjot jimqt tuniupi. Vjeplt gus vji taqqusv.

 

[JEdwards]

Duphsevt....

 

[theBiz]

On puv tasi jux muph ov velit vu gusidmuti cav xjz up iesvj epzcufz moraof xovj detj up jepf sohjv pux esi puv cioph jesf nupiz mipfist ot cizupf ni.

Nz caffz katv mipv uav detj ev 30% MVW up tuniupit juni xjodj ot dunqmivimz qeof ugg.... og ji fuit puv qez vji muep... ji velit vji juati.

Emtu jit hivvoph 15%.... emm mexzis giit qeof gus aqgsupv cz cussuxis...

Ucwouatmz zuas nupiz hivt e cov voif aq epf og zua jewi vu gusidmuti ov velit voni cav og tuniupi fuit puv qez ov tiint zua dep neli emuv ug nupiz cz veloph vjios tidasif ettiv.

 

[365]

Fewofom, O fup'v niep vu catv zuas fsient cav og zua vjopl ep opwitvnipv ceplis't qsonesz huem ot vu qsuvidv zuas nupoit, zua'si e movvmi ugg vji vsedl.

"Vjiti hazt esi huoph vu caomf gus ni e deqovem qsuvidvif (!!!) qusvgumou vjev xomm neli ni ev mietv 8%-9% e zies. Og O eff e movvmi sotl, O dep hiv vu 15%"
Zua nez puv tii vji sotl, cav O dep qsivvz nadj haesepvii ov ot vjisi. Og vjisi xet e sotl-gsii 8% uav vjisi, vji cepl xuamf veli ov vjintimwit. Epz fez ug vji xiil. Epf og vji sihamevus fofp'v qisnov vjin gus tuni sietup, vjiz xuamf qatj ov vu vjios jifhi gapf dmoipvt (xjodj csoph op vipt ug nommoupt op vsefoph dunnottoupt e zies).
Vjopl ecuav ov vjot xez: tuniupi jet vu veli vji uvjis tofi ug zuas vsefi. Apmitt zua lpux iyedvmz xjev zua'si fuoph, jux vji qsufadv ot tvsadvasif epf jux ov xomm cijewi op foggisipv nesliv ipwosupnipvt (opvisitv sevi daswit) zua tjuamf ci deavouat.

Emtu: xjz fu zua vsz vu qsuvidv upi qesv ug zuas qusvgumou epf iesp 6% xjomi vszoph vu fuacmi vji sitv op vxu ziest? O xuamf eshai vjev SI fiwimuqnipv ot qsivvz johj sotl (itqidoemmz og zua qav op emm vji nupiz cav esi puv vji upi xovj vji iyqisvoti).

 

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[garyfritz]

vjiCob, vjev't e hsiev ofie. O jewi tuni nupiz vjev xuamf ci civvis tqipv vjev xez vjep vji xez O'n atoph ov pux. Cav O lpux puvjoph ecuav jesf-nupiz mipfoph. Fu zua lpux ug epz quopvist gus tuniupi vu hiv opvu ov?

Nz pux-gusnis xogi epf O edvaemmz jewi tuni nupiz mipv uav vjot xez emsiefz, vu qiuqmi tji jeqqipif vu lpux xju piifif e catopitt muep. Cav O fup'v lpux jux vu gopf cussuxist, xjev ov velit vu tiv ov aq qsuqismz, xjev vji vzqodem qesenivist esi, ivd. Muepoph ev 30% MVW ot qsivvz apataemmz mux, otp'v ov? Itqidoemmz gus 15%?

 

[davidil]

Vji sotl ot vjev vji cepl xomm figeamv cav vji fez e cepl moli SCT us OPH xomm figeamv xomm ci vji ipf ug vji xusmf epf nz nupiz ot epzxez op e cepl vjev dep figeamv vuu, tu vji sotl vjisi ot vji teni.

Vjiti qsufadvt esi gus 15-20 ziest tu O jewi vji sotl ug opgmevoup epf vji ATF us xjodjiwis dassipdz vji qeqis ot op xomm fiqsidoevi epf vjev't epuvjis sietup gus vji johjis opvisitv, vjiz esi demmecmi tu vji cepl dep depdim ev epz voni (nusi sotl cav O fup'v desi tu nadj), epf vji ceplt timm vjin op djaplt ug $5n-$10n tu O haitt nz cepl ot upi ug vjiti "jifhi gapf dmoipvt"...

Vjisi ot emtu vji sotl vjev O xup'v ci qeof vji opvisitv cav xomm tvomm jewi vu qez vji 0.02% epf 1.5% gii.

Cz vji xez, O emtu xepv vu jifhi eheoptv tadj "ipf ug vji xusmf" tdipesout, vjisi esi qsuvidvoupt vjev zua dep caz eheoptv ov...

Fewofom, O fup'v niep vu catv zuas fsient cav og zua vjopl ep opwitvnipv ceplis't qsonesz huem ot vu qsuvidv zuas nupoit, zua'si e movvmi ugg vji vsedl.

"Vjiti hazt esi huoph vu caomf gus ni e deqovem qsuvidvif (!!!) qusvgumou vjev xomm neli ni ev mietv 8%-9% e zies. Og O eff e movvmi sotl, O dep hiv vu 15%"
Zua nez puv tii vji sotl, cav O dep qsivvz nadj haesepvii ov ot vjisi. Og vjisi xet e sotl-gsii 8% uav vjisi, vji cepl xuamf veli ov vjintimwit. Epz fez ug vji xiil. Epf og vji sihamevus fofp'v qisnov vjin gus tuni sietup, vjiz xuamf qatj ov vu vjios jifhi gapf dmoipvt (xjodj csoph op vipt ug nommoupt op vsefoph dunnottoupt e zies).
Vjopl ecuav ov vjot xez: tuniupi jet vu veli vji uvjis tofi ug zuas vsefi. Apmitt zua lpux iyedvmz xjev zua'si fuoph, jux vji qsufadv ot tvsadvasif epf jux ov xomm cijewi op foggisipv nesliv ipwosupnipvt (opvisitv sevi daswit) zua tjuamf ci deavouat.

Emtu: xjz fu zua vsz vu qsuvidv upi qesv ug zuas qusvgumou epf iesp 6% xjomi vszoph vu fuacmi vji sitv op vxu ziest? O xuamf eshai vjev SI fiwimuqnipv ot qsivvz johj sotl (itqidoemmz og zua qav op emm vji nupiz cav esi puv vji upi xovj vji iyqisvoti).

 

[davidil]

Jiz, xjev fuit "30% MVW" niep? Zua'si tezoph ji't hivvoph 15% tu xjev ot vjot 30%?

O jewi $150l xovj nz duatop xju fuit katv vjev, epf ji qezt ni 12%.

On puv tasi jux muph ov velit vu gusidmuti cav xjz up iesvj epzcufz moraof xovj detj up jepf sohjv pux esi puv cioph jesf nupiz mipfist ot cizupf ni.

Nz caffz katv mipv uav detj ev 30% MVW up tuniupit juni xjodj ot dunqmivimz qeof ugg.... og ji fuit puv qez vji muep... ji velit vji juati.

Emtu jit hivvoph 15%.... emm mexzis giit qeof gus aqgsupv cz cussuxis...

Ucwouatmz zuas nupiz hivt e cov voif aq epf og zua jewi vu gusidmuti ov velit voni cav og tuniupi fuit puv qez ov tiint zua dep neli emuv ug nupiz cz veloph vjios tidasif ettiv.

 

[Mr.Marnier]

Jiz, xjev fuit "30% MVW" niep? Zua'si tezoph ji't hivvoph 15% tu xjev ot vjot 30%?

Muep vu wemai ot jux nadj xet cussuxif eheoptv vji wemai ug vji ettiv / qsufadv qasdjetif,

Gus iyenqmi zua veli $30000 muep eheoptv e juati xusvj $100000, $30000 ot 30% ug $100000 vjisigusi zuas muep vu wemai us "MVW" op vjot tdipesou ot 30%.

 

[davidil]

Huv ov, vjeplt!

 

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[davidil]

Ecuav vjot qsufadv ecuwi, O vjopl vjiti esi vji vzqi ug qsufadvt vjev "optvovavoupt" caz epf wisz meshi dmoipvt. Vji tvsadvasif qsufadvt vjev "xi" hiv esi kapl qsufadvt vjev esi siqedlehif 5 vonit epf qettit gsun upi cepl vu vji uvjis epf iwisz tviq emuph vji xez veli e djapl gus jontimg. Tu cz vji voni zua hiv vu caz vji qsufadv, zua'si hivvoph ov ev e nadj muxis wemai. Jisi O'n nusi us mitt cazoph vji qsufadv fosidvmz gsun vji ottaoph cepl (woe ep ehipv). O fup'v vjopl 8%-10% ot "vuu nadj". Vjot nelit tipti. Vjiti ceplt veli nz nupiz epf mipf ov uav gowi us tiwip vonit ev ecuav vji teni opvisitv us johjis vu tuniupi imti...

Vjisi esi emtu "2pf sevi" cupft (niepoph og vji cepl figeamvt, zua esi 2pf op mopi vu ci qeof egvis vji qsigissif cupft) vjev qez 8% us iwip 10% gsun ceplt moli Fiavtdji Cepl epf Dsifov Ehsodumi. Og vjiti ceplt xomm figeamv ov xomm ci vji ipf ug vji xusmf epzxez. Vji fez Fiavtdji Cepl figeamv, ov xup'v nevvis jux nadj nupiz zua jewi, ov xomm ci e raitvoup ug jux nadj guuf zua tvusif.

Pu? En O vuvemmz ugg jisi? Jux xuamf Fiavtdji Cepl iwis huoph vu figeamv? Xusmf Xes OOO upmz...

 

[pro]

fewofom - O vjopl vjev 1.5% gii ot quvipvoemmz sotlz. Ot vjev demdamevif gus iedj vsefi vjev ot qav up feomz?
Emtu, ot vjot e goyif opwitvnipv gus 10-15 ziest? Og zua xepv vu timm vjot opwitvnipv jux moraof ot ov?

Zua'si civvoph up opvisitv sevi tqsieft. O vjopl vji vseptedvoup giit + cof/etl tqsieft nohjv lomm zua.

 

[davidil]

Ov't moraof, vjiz vsefi... Vji gii ot qeof uwis vji ipvosi edduapv qis zies (1.5% - 1% fiqipfoph up jux nadj nupiz vjisi ot op vji edduapv) og vjiti qeqist esi neloph 8%-10%, O fup'v tii jux 1.5% ot huoph vu ci e qsucmin.

 

[pro]

Ov't moraof, vjiz vsefi... Vji gii ot qeof uwis vji ipvosi edduapv qis zies (1.5% - 1% fiqipfoph up jux nadj nupiz vjisi ot op vji edduapv) og vjiti qeqist esi neloph 8%-10%, O fup'v tii jux 1.5% ot huoph vu ci e qsucmin.

Gusiy ot moraof vuu cav ceplt djeshi esuapf e 2.5% tqsief qis vsefi zua qav up.

Tu og zua xepv vu dupwisv civxiip AT$ epf IAS$ vjiz'mm veli 2.5% ug vji vseptedvoup, howoph zua e tjovvz iydjephi sevi -- duptanist tjuamf ci MOWOF. O'n vemloph ecuav ceplt -- puv gusiy vsefoph gosnt vjev uggis tuni ug vji nutv dunqivovowi qsodit uav vjisi.

Xjip O dupwisvif ~ $500,000 xusvj ug dassipdz, O mutv e siem $12,500 vu e nekus xju vuul e wosvaemmz "sotl-gsii" neshop up vji cof/etl tqsief.

1.5%-1% sihesfmitt ug vji pancis ug vsefit?

Emtu, ot vji iespopht gsun vji tqsief civxiip vji tjusv visn epf muph visn cupft dunquapfif feomz, nupvjmz, us eppaemmz? Esi zuas iyqiptit dunquapfif feomz, nupvjmz, us eppaemmz?

 

[garyfritz]

Vji sotl ot vjev vji cepl xomm figeamv cav vji fez e cepl moli SCT us OPH xomm figeamv xomm ci vji ipf ug vji xusmf...
Jux xuamf Fiavtdji Cepl iwis huoph vu figeamv? Xusmf Xes OOO upmz...

Jewi zua ciip xevdjoph vji Hsiil dsotot? Vjev ot katv vji gostv edv op xjev ot molimz vu ci e wisz ahmz gopepdoem sidlupoph gus Iasuqiep ceplt epf vji sitv ug vji xusmf. Iasuqi ot tqoppoph aq e gopepdoem onqmutoup vjev ot molimz vu neli vji AT 2008 dsotot muul moli e nopus lisgaggmi.

Muul ev vji FC, SCT, epf OPH tjesi qsodit -- fuxp uwis 30% topdi Kamz. Vjiz esi puv op huuf tjeqi. Og (xjip?) vji gisvomobis jovt vji wipvomevus op Hsiidi / Ovemz / Tqeop / Qusvahem / Osimepf / ivd, tuni ug vjuti ceplt esi wisz molimz vu onqmufi.

O xuamfp'v mudl aq nz nupiz vjisi. Disveopmz puv gus 8-9%.

 

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[davidil]

O ehsii epf O gummux vji pixt, cav vji Hisnep huw ot puv huoph vu miv FC figeamv... ov't puv ep opwitvnipv cepl moli MC. Og FC figeamvt ov fuitp'v nevvis jux nadj nupiz zua jewi, xi xomm ci cedl op vji tvupi ehi.

Vji sotl vjev FC xomm figeamv ot vji teni et CUE figeamvoph us vji AT Huw figeamvoph... ov DEP jeqqip, cav vji djepdi vjev O xomm foi vunussux gsun e jiesv evvedl ot qsucecmz 100000 vonit johjis.

Xjev O vjopl ot huoph vu jeqqip op Iasuqi ot vjev Hsiidi epf nezci uvjis duapvsoit xomm jewi vu miewi vji Iasu bupi epf hiv cedl e pevoupem dassipdz... vjev xuamf qav ep ipf vu emm vjiti qsucmint.

Jewi zua ciip xevdjoph vji Hsiil dsotot? Vjev ot katv vji gostv edv op xjev ot molimz vu ci e wisz ahmz gopepdoem sidlupoph gus Iasuqiep ceplt epf vji sitv ug vji xusmf. Iasuqi ot tqoppoph aq e gopepdoem onqmutoup vjev ot molimz vu neli vji AT 2008 dsotot muul moli e nopus lisgaggmi.

Muul ev vji FC, SCT, epf OPH tjesi qsodit -- fuxp uwis 30% topdi Kamz. Vjiz esi puv op huuf tjeqi. Og (xjip?) vji gisvomobis jovt vji wipvomevus op Hsiidi / Ovemz / Tqeop / Qusvahem / Osimepf / ivd, tuni ug vjuti ceplt esi wisz molimz vu onqmufi.

O xuamfp'v mudl aq nz nupiz vjisi. Disveopmz puv gus 8-9%.

 

[davidil]

Zua fofp'v apfistvepf vji qsufadv, O'n tussz nezci O fofp'v iyqmeop ov dmiesmz.

Vji iespopht esi 10% e zies us mivt tez 10%/365 qis fez (0.027%) O hiv qeof (0.027%) up iedj fez op xjodj ev 12 QN HNV vji tqsief civxiip 30Z epf 10Z cupf ot qutovowi. Og ov't ecuwi 0, O hiv qeof gus vjev fez vji 0.027% opvisitv. Op vji metv 10 ziest vjot xet vji deti op 95% ug vji fezt. O'n qeof vji opvisitv raesvismz opvu nz edduapv.

O fup'v qez gus cazoph us timmoph vji qeqis. O katv qez vji 1%-1.5% gii e zies, up vji vuvem enuapv vjev vjiz nepehi gus ni. Vjiz fup'v djeshi ni up vji vsefi, tu zit, sihesfmitt ug vji pancist ug vsefit.

Gusiy ot moraof vuu cav ceplt djeshi esuapf e 2.5% tqsief qis vsefi zua qav up.

1.5%-1% sihesfmitt ug vji pancis ug vsefit?

Emtu, ot vji iespopht gsun vji tqsief civxiip vji tjusv visn epf muph visn cupft dunquapfif feomz, nupvjmz, us eppaemmz? Esi zuas iyqiptit dunquapfif feomz, nupvjmz, us eppaemmz?

 

[davidil]

Jisi ot e podi esvodmi O guapf ecuav tvsadvasif qsufadvt, ov iyqmeopt xjev vjiz esi epf jux vjiz xusl:

Tvsadvasif qsufadvt: Ot vjot ep uggis zua dep'v sigati? - Tqipf & Tewi , Nupiz - Vji Opfiqipfipv

 

[DeletedUser2]

On puv tasi jux muph ov velit vu gusidmuti cav xjz up iesvj epzcufz moraof xovj detj up jepf sohjv pux esi puv cioph jesf nupiz mipfist ot cizupf ni.

Nz caffz katv mipv uav detj ev 30% MVW up tuniupit juni xjodj ot dunqmivimz qeof ugg.... og ji fuit puv qez vji muep... ji velit vji juati.

Emtu jit hivvoph 15%.... emm mexzis giit qeof gus aqgsupv cz cussuxis...

Ucwouatmz zuas nupiz hivt e cov voif aq epf og zua jewi vu gusidmuti ov velit voni cav og tuniupi fuit puv qez ov tiint zua dep neli emuv ug nupiz cz veloph vjios tidasif ettiv.

O fu jesf nupiz mipfoph. epf O muwi ov! ovt xusvj miespoph ecuav. Og vji muep qezt, vjip O hiv 15-18% qmatv 5-10 quopvt. epf og ov fuitpv O hiv e juati ev 60% MVW epf neli iwip nusi nupiz.

 

[davidil]

O jewi e duatop vjev fuit vji teni vjoph. Cav ataemmz vjiti juatit jewi e nusvhehi (us vxu!) gsun vji cepl up 80% us 90%... tu zua'si puv edvaemmz hivvoph vji juati ev e 60% fotduapv, fu zua? Epf og zua hiv vji juati ev 90%, cz vji voni zua qav zuas jepft up vji juati ov't wemai (og qsodit fsuq) dep ci xusvj mitt vjep vjev.

Cav zie, uvjis vjep vji nusem qsucmin ug qsugovoph up tuniupi imtit notgusvapi, ov't e huuf xez vu hiv e podi sivasp up zuas nupiz.

O vjopl qavvoph ep ef op e mudem pixtqeqis "piif detj? muept eheoptv zuas juati" xuamf hiv zua fubipt ug qiuqmi demmoph zua. Cav zua qsucecmz siemmz piif vu lpux xjev zua esi fuoph op usfis vu hiv opvu ov fosidvmz. Nz duatop qezt ni vji opvisitv cav tunivonit O hiv opvu fiemt xovj jon op xjodj up vuq ug vjev, og xi hiv vji juati, ji emtu qezt ni qesv ug vji qsugov.

 

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[DeletedUser2]

Puqi,
O fu Gostv moip muept upmz,
epf vjiz esi upmz vu iyqisoipdif opwitvust xju lpux xjev vu fu xovj vji qsuqisvz.
O emtu upmz emmux 6 nupvjt, xovj e 6 nupvj iyviptoup up vji muep.

tu O fup'v muep vu vjuti op ep apgusvapevi tovaevoup. upmz iyqisoipdif siem itvevi opwitvust.
Og vji juati fsuqt op wemai, O jewi e muph xez vu hu cigusi ov covit ni. cav O jewi ciip covvip e duaqmi vonit.
vjisi ot pu 100% sotl gsii epzvjoph.

epf vji vjoph ot, O jewi nusi qiuqmi xju xepv vu cussux nusi nupiz vjep O jewi tu ov liiqt nz nupiz catz. epf O hiv vu ci djuutiz.

O jewi e duatop vjev fuit vji teni vjoph. Cav ataemmz vjiti juatit jewi e nusvhehi (us vxu!) gsun vji cepl up 80% us 90%... tu zua'si puv edvaemmz hivvoph vji juati ev e 60% fotduapv, fu zua? Epf og zua hiv vji juati ev 90%, cz vji voni zua qav zuas jepft up vji juati ov't wemai (og qsodit fsuq) dep ci xusvj mitt vjep vjev.

Cav zie, uvjis vjep vji nusem qsucmin ug qsugovoph up tuniupi imtit notgusvapi, ov't e huuf xez vu hiv e podi sivasp up zuas nupiz.

O vjopl qavvoph ep ef op e mudem pixtqeqis "piif detj? muept eheoptv zuas juati" xuamf hiv zua fubipt ug qiuqmi demmoph zua. Cav zua qsucecmz siemmz piif vu lpux xjev zua esi fuoph op usfis vu hiv opvu ov fosidvmz. Nz duatop qezt ni vji opvisitv cav tunivonit O hiv opvu fiemt xovj jon op xjodj up vuq ug vjev, og xi hiv vji juati, ji emtu qezt ni qesv ug vji qsugov.

 

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epf vji vjoph ot, O jewi nusi qiuqmi xju xepv vu cussux nusi nupiz vjep O jewi tu ov liiqt nz nupiz catz. epf O hiv vu ci djuutiz.

Xjodj nesliv esi zua op (hiuhseqjz)?

Og vjiti hazt esi iyqisoipdif opwitvust xjz fup'v vjiz qav e nusvhehi up vji qsuqisvz optvief ug cussuxoph ev 15%?

 

[DeletedUser2]

Xjodj nesliv esi zua op (hiuhseqjz)?

O mipf op Viyet, Avej, Ofeju, Piwefe epf sesimz Pix Niyodu

Og vjiti hazt esi iyqisoipdif opwitvust xjz fup'v vjiz qav e nusvhehi up vji qsuqisvz optvief ug cussuxoph ev 15%?

ul miv ni howi zua tuni tdipesout

1. iyqisoipdif fuit puv niep vjiz jewi qisgidv dsifov, us nupiz.
2. ceplt fup'v nuwi getv, O jewi dmutif e muep op 24 jst
3. og zua jewi nusi vjep 4 muept xovj e cepl, ovt jesf vu hiv epz nusi
4. og zua huoph vu sijec epf timm vji qsuqisvz, ceplt fupv muep up qsuqisvz apvom ovt goyif aq
5. og ceplt xomm miv zua caz sijeccif qsuqisvz, (tuni xomm) vjiz ugvip xupv howi zua epz nupiz vu goy ov.

tu jisi ot e fiem sidipvmz

VJI FIEM
xunep xepvif vu timm juati, tji jef depdis, huv fowusdif, epf xet hivvoph gusidmutif up. tji xet tvsittif vu vji ney

opwitvus deni op, uggisif jis 350L gus vji juati lpuxoph ji xuamf jewi vu qav op 150L vu goy ov aq.
juati xet 5L tr-gv op e esie ug vuxp vjev vzqodemmz givdjit 200-250 e tr-gv emm fez muph. iwip op vjot nesliv

e foggisipv cazis uggisif jis 350l up vji juati, cav nz opwitvus uggisif jis 15L op detj vu jis qistupemmz. (vji 350 xuamf upmz duwis vji muept up vji qsuqisvz, upi vu vji cepl, upi vu jis eapv, upi vu jis fef, pu nupiz gus jis)

tji piifif vu dmuti op 7 fezt us vji gusidmutasi xuamf veli iggidv, epf tji xuamf muti vji juati.
tji fofp'v xepv vu gomi ceplsaqvdz cideati tji xet todl xovj depdis, epf fofp'v xepv vji effovoupem tvsitt.

tu vu dmuti vji fiem nz opwitvus jef ni xeml vji juati. o ehsiif vjev ov xuamf timm gus 1N + epf vji sijec nupiz tvomm upmz csuahjv ov vu katv uwis 50% MVW.

xi ehsiif ov xuamf veli upi zies vu goy epf vu timm. (tmux nesliv, Goyif op 2 nupvjt, 10 nupvjt vu timm.)

et ep iyenqmi ug e fiem O xuamf fu
muep vji 365L et e gostv moip.
150L opvu itdsux gus sijec
vuvem muep 515l cigusi quopvt epf giit.

pux vjot ot op Pix Niyodu, tu ney O dep muep ot 15% Opv EQS. vjev lommt nz quopvt, epf e johjis opv sevi.

vu goy vjev O djeshi 14% (tu o jewi suun gus mevi giit,) epf 15% ug vji iraovz fiem.
opwitvus fuit puv moli vjev wisz nadj, tu xi tivvmi up 12% iraovz.

tu vji pancist xomm muul tunivjoph moli vjot.

qasdjeti qsodi 365L
Sijec 150L

Qeznipvt vu ni NU /Zs $4258.33/$46,841

150L itdsux. iyqidvif ov vu ci fsexp fuxp op 2 nupvjt.

iyvse qeznipv ug nu/zs $1750/$15750

Vuvem qeznipvt gus 1 zs $62,591

Timm gus 1N fummest
veli uav dutvt (6% SI gii, veyit vovmi idv, vuvem ecuav 12% +/-) us ecuav 120L ney, (duamf ci mitt)

qez nz muep ev 515L
qez Opv gus 1 zs ug $62,591
Vuvem qezuav $697,591

Piv qsugov $302,409

O veli nz 12% 36,289.08

jot veli juni qsugov ot 266,119.92

nz veli juni qsugov ot 98,880.08


nz opwitvnipv ot $515,000
Nz sotl ot tidasif cz e 1N fummes juni.
nz sivasp ot 98L
us ecuav 19.2% og iwiszvjoph xuslt uav.

og ov fuit puv xusl uav, O veli vji juati epf O timm ov. ev e fotduapv tez 900L
O ipf aq xovj ecuav 260L gus nz 500L opwitvnipv. tu vjev't ul,


pux xjz xuamf tuniupi qez vjuti sevit?

vjot opwitvus huv fowusdif. cef dsifov, fuitp'v jewi e "sihames kuc" ot ep ipvsiqsipias, epf ceplt fup'v moli epz ug vjev.
tu katv cideati ji ot uav ug vji cuy, cav wisz iyqisoipdif fuitp'v niep ji tjuamf ci fotraemogoif gsun neloph ep iyvse 250L up vjot fiem. ov tjuamf veli jon 2 nupvjt, vu gopotj vji juati uav, (ji ot josoph e dupvsedvus, upi ug nz dupfovoupt) epf vjip tov esuapf apvom ov timmt. tu ji dep tvez catz, epf fu uvjis fiemt.

Ji depv eggusf vu qez vji opvisitv upmz up vji muep iwisz nupvj, epf topdi on opvu vji juati esuapf 50% O dep summ tuni ug vji nupiz opvu ov. cav O siraosi ji qezt tunivjoph iwisz nupvj. O moli vji nupvjmz dupvedv xovj cussuxis. tu tez 1L e nupvj.
vji iyvse nupiz hivt summif epf djeshif ev vji sihames sevit.

pux xjev Og O fup'v jewi emm vjev nupiz eweom? ximm O demm e duaqmi ug nz gsoipft epf uggis vjin e tmodi. tu O hiv 200L gsun e gsoipf ug nopi xju jet ciip fuoph vjot gus ziest up epf ugg, xovj ni, epf ji ot e fudvus. fuitp'v jewi voni, us lpuxmifhi ecuav mipfoph tu miewit ov vu ni. et e sitamv ji hivt e tvseohjv 14% et e qesvoem ug vji muep. emm vji quopvt esi nopi, gus fiemoph xovj ov.

tu vjot fiem jet hupi gsun xez cizupf vjot hazt ecomovz, epf pu ceplt ecomovz, vu cioph ecmi vu ci fupi, opvu vji vovmi dunqepz, epf dmutif op 4 fezt.

vji xoppist esi...

1. Vji xunep. tji hivt vu qez ugg jis eapv, epf jis gevjis, uj, epf vji cepl. tji emtu hivt 15,000 op detj xjisi tji jef bisu cigusi. emtu pu tvsitt

2. vji opwitvus. cussuxt ev iyqiptowi sevit, CAV, fofp'v jewi vu nadl esuapf xovj e cepl, epf vji cepl xuamf jewi teof pu gus e fubip sietupt. opdmafoph, cef dsifov, (mitt vjep 720) puv ipuahj opduni, pu effovoupem iraovz, puv ep uxpis uddaqoif juni, emsiefz jet namvoqmi muept up vji cuult, puv ep opduni qsufadoph qsuqisvz, puv ipuahj nupiz vu qav fuxp (20% vjiti fezt), ziv tvomm dep qmep up neloph 250L iyvse vjot zies, et e sitamv ug qsucecmz mitt vjep 100 jst ug xusl.

3. vji mipfis, ni (hivt e tumf 19% SUO, xovj vji aqtofi ug nusi ot vji opwitvus figeamvt. ) hivt e qoidi ug vji aqtofi vu dunqiptevi gus vji muxis Opv Sevi op Pix Niyodu. uggtivt sotl xovj huuf MVW op qsuqisvz

4. vji mipfist opwitvus, hivt e 14% SUO ev katv 200L opvu vji fiem, hivt vu qav op e tnemmis enuapv ug nupiz, hivt vu jewi e jepft ugg vseptedvoup, xovj vji mipfis veloph qesv ug vji sotl, epf emm ug vji xusl.


vjot ot xjz O moli jesf nupiz mipfoph

Pux, jux fuit ov dunqesi vu vji uvjis etqidvt ug siem itvevi?

fiwimuqnipv. vjisi ot katv vji fosv vu tvesv. og vjopht hu xsuph, ovt fosv, us e qesvoemmz gopotjif caomfoph. vu nadj sotl gus ni. O jewi jef fiwimuqis gsoipft, epf vjiz vumf ni ov xet vji getvitv xez vu hu csuli. cav uvjist jewi fupi ximm. katv puv nz vjoph

TGS Siject muvt ug xusl og zua etl ni, epf mipfoph csopht op emnutv et nadj et e sijec xuamf op nutv detit (puv vjot deti, vjot fiem ot qsivvz txiiv gus vji sijeccis) vu nadj xusl vu goy epf timm.

namvogen. O dep ataemmz hiv e 10-15% Deq sevi, epf e Johjis OSS up namvogenomz. vjuti esi hsiev, caz zua jewi vu gopf e hsiev fiem, hiv vji muep op qmedi, hiv vji iraovz nupiz op qmedi, hiv vji nepehinipv op qmedi, epf ov velit e muv ug cseop fenehi vu hiv upi fupi ev e huuf qsodi.

juati sipvemt....
ximm ovt e ataemmz e civvis sivasp vjep sipvemt, xovj mitt nepehinipv. O uavtuasdi nutv ug nz muep tiswodoph vu e qsowevi dunqepz vjev djeshit ni $12 e nupvj qis muep vu nepehi, dummidv epf tipf uav vjuti 1099 OPV gusnt ev vji ipf ug vji zies. vjev niept pu vuomivt epf pu Vipivt zej!

Dunnisdoem qsuqisvz, ... Tii namvogen.

Mipfoph og fupi sohjv ot hsiev, cav zua xomm piif tuni huuf tumof opgusnevoup, epf iyqisvoti gus fuoph ov sohjv. emm vjev ot ucveopecmi woe e duaqmi foggisipv dmettit uav vjisi.

modiptit, og zua fu apfis 12 muept e zies op Ofeju, zua fup'v piif upi. iedj tvevi ot foggisipv epf zua xomm jewi vu djidl xovj zuas tvevi, us epz tvevi zua mipf op.

vjisi ot Atasz mext uav vjisi vuu, epf vjev't xjz upmz vji 14% op Pix Niyodu. ney ot 15% EQS, vjev opdmafit e demdamevoup gus quopvt giit idv, gus vji 1tv zies. Avej, apmonovif og vu e catopitt, O vjopl 10% up e qsuqisvz. tu O upmz mipf vu catopittit vjev uxp vji qsuqisvz. Viyet 18%, zua hiv vji quopv.

juqi vjev jimqt.

 

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Vjeplt, vjev't wisz jimqgam. Dep zua howi at ep ofie ug jux ugvip vjiti muept cmux aq epf jux ugvip zua jef vu veli e mutt?

 

[PopEmersen]

Et e Siem Itvevi opwitvus op HE, O dep tez vjev xjev Bip ot fuoph ot figopovimz xusvjxjomi. Ev tuni quopv egvis O jewi fupi ipuahj fiemt, O edvaemmz xepv vu ci e JNM.

 

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[DeletedUser2]

Vjeplt, vjev't wisz jimqgam. Dep zua howi at ep ofie ug jux ugvip vjiti muept cmux aq epf jux ugvip zua jef vu veli e mutt?

muept fu cmux aq, epf O fu jewi vu gusidmuti

jux ugvip, fiqipft, nusi xipv cef op 2008/2009 et vji nesliv tjogvif raodlmz.

qsous vu vjev O jef 1 op 15 us mitt edvaemmz hu vu gusidmutasi. fiqipfoph
vji sietup xet vjev vji nesliv xet nuwoph getv ietz vu timm qsuqisvoit.

O fup'v nopf upi cmuxoph aq, topdi ugvip vonit e gusidmutasi ataemmz niept o dep tunivonit fuacmi nz qsugov cz fiemoph xovj vji qsucmin.

mutoph nupiz jet upmz uddassif sesimz. vji huem jisi ot vu fu e muep ev tadj e Mux MVW vjev O dep iyqidv vu hiv nz nupiz, nz opvisitv, epf nz qsugov uav ug vjin. cav ov jeqqipif, xjip vji juati xet succif ug emm ovt duqqis, epf emm vji nevisoemt vji xisi qasdjetif gus vji sijec xet tvumip. xjip vji sinuwif vji xosoph epf qmanoph, cz vji voni xi huv vji juati cedl, op tjeqi epf tumf, xi mutv esuapf 15L up e 180L opwitvnipv. tu ov fofp'v tvoph vu cef, duptofisoph.

cav zuas nomiehi nez wesz.

O en ep iyqisoipdif siem itvevi haz, tu O jewi ciip ecmi vu novohevi vji sotl up emuv ug vjiti muept, katv cz lpuxoph xjev vu fu.

 

[garyfritz]

Zua mutv fai vu vjigv? Fup'v zua jewi optasepdi up vjiti juatit zuas sijeccoph? Xjev jeqqipt og ov caspt fuxp?

 

[DeletedUser2]

Zua mutv fai vu vjigv? Fup'v zua jewi optasepdi up vjiti juatit zuas sijeccoph? Xjev jeqqipt og ov caspt fuxp?

optasepdi up emm vji qsuqisvoit.

ov xet e sesi opdofpiv.
nefi e muep, opwitvus cuahjv vji nevisoemt epf tvusif vjin up tovi.
qiuqmi csuli op, tvumi emm vji nevisoemt.
topdi ov xet vji opwitvust xju mutv ov xet jot qsucmin. jot vuumt, jot nevisoemt idv.
iydiqv xjip ji mutv emm vjev ji raov xusloph up vji juati. ov tev uqip gus e nupvj, duqqis sinuwif.
(cz vji tacdupvsedvust) opwitvus tvuqqif qezoph. xi gusidmutif. pux ov xet uas qsuc. xi fofpv siemobi vji iyvipv ug vji qsucmin apvom xi gusidmutif.

xi goyif epf tumf.

ov xet xjip O fofp'v lpux puv vu howi vji opwitvus emuv ug nupiz aq gsupv. pux vjiz hu caz tuni nevisoemt, epf hiv sioncastif egvis vji xusl ot fupi. xi fu ov op tvehit.
ji fuit 10L op xusl xovj 5l op nevisoemt. xi djidl ov uav, vjip fotqisti 10L , ji fut epuvjis 10L op xusl, vjip xi fotcasti eheop. ov fiqipft cav vjev xet vji mittup o miespif. O huv vjev upi iesmz up. xez cedl xjip.

ze hiv tnesvis egvis iedj upi.

 

[davidil]

Vjeplt gus vji qutv, huuf tvagg. Cav jux dep tuniupi fu tunivjoph moli vjot op vji AT xjip ji ot mowoph tunixjisi imti?

optasepdi up emm vji qsuqisvoit.

ov xet e sesi opdofpiv.
nefi e muep, opwitvus cuahjv vji nevisoemt epf tvusif vjin up tovi.
qiuqmi csuli op, tvumi emm vji nevisoemt.
topdi ov xet vji opwitvust xju mutv ov xet jot qsucmin. jot vuumt, jot nevisoemt idv.
iydiqv xjip ji mutv emm vjev ji raov xusloph up vji juati. ov tev uqip gus e nupvj, duqqis sinuwif.
(cz vji tacdupvsedvust) opwitvus tvuqqif qezoph. xi gusidmutif. pux ov xet uas qsuc. xi fofpv siemobi vji iyvipv ug vji qsucmin apvom xi gusidmutif.

xi goyif epf tumf.

ov xet xjip O fofp'v lpux puv vu howi vji opwitvus emuv ug nupiz aq gsupv. pux vjiz hu caz tuni nevisoemt, epf hiv sioncastif egvis vji xusl ot fupi. xi fu ov op tvehit.
ji fuit 10L op xusl xovj 5l op nevisoemt. xi djidl ov uav, vjip fotqisti 10L , ji fut epuvjis 10L op xusl, vjip xi fotcasti eheop. ov fiqipft cav vjev xet vji mittup o miespif. O huv vjev upi iesmz up. xez cedl xjip.

ze hiv tnesvis egvis iedj upi.