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So with oil continuing to increase in price, I was thinking to myself, "Wow, anyone invested in oil is likely making some $$$," but then I thought, "Every bubble in history is fueled partially bep eople who always think, 'This time, things are different,' as we saw with the tech bubble and housing bubble most recently, people thought tech stocks would keep growing and growing (even notable economists!) and they crashed, the same was said regarding housing, and that crashed too."

So I thought to myself, "Oil can't possibly keep increasing forever, can it?" but then I thought, "But IS this time different because of increased demand and limited supply...?"

So I Googled it and got two opposing viewpoints, one from Reason magazine (libertarian): http://www.reason.com/news/show/125414.html which says most likely yes, it is, and one from the New York Times economist Paul Krugman, who says, no, it isn't: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/05/12/opinion/12krugman.html

I was wondering what some of the investor folks here think? The articles directly argue each other. In the Reason article, they say that oil demand is inelastic, meaning if gas goes up by another dollar or so, you still have to fill your gas tank and drive to work. Over the long run, however, demand will decrease as people buy more fuel-efficient cars. They say it is primarily speculators driving oil prices right now, not supply and demand. However, the NYT article says the opposite, that if speculators drive up the price of oil, people will cut back on driving, turn down their thermostat, and owners of marginal oil wells would put them back into production.

I am not sure if I agree with Krugman (NYT) on the driving part, I think people already would have cut back on driving if they will do so, I don't know about the thermostat part (I hate cold!), regarding the oil wells, I have no idea with that but I would think that even with oil prices up, that the owners might be cautious to put them into production for fear that if prices drop again, this could be a problem; I don't think putting a well into production and then shutting it down again is as simple as flicking a switch. I don't know for sure though, I am no expert.

And Krugman also says that it isn't speculators, that this is just made up nonsense (directly contradicting the Reason article) and that it is supply and demand controlling oil prices, and that demand is squeezing supply. Reason says demand has actually decreased and surplus oil production is up, so...

What do you more knowledgeable folks think? Me personally, I am still guessing an oil bubble. Krugman says they were saying this back in 2005, but I mean the Dot Com sector actually started to collapse in 1999, but then recovered, then collapsed again in March 2000, then recovered again, and it wasn't until the Fall that stocks really started to crash permanetly, so bubbles can be persistent.

Part of me is a bit afraid that oil prices will keep increasing, but then the old historical "That's what they've said for EVERY bubble, that 'this time is different'" so I don't know. Also remember that the oil industry historically is cyclical, so prices should go back down at some point I'd think.
 
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Xi nez ci op e caccmi, O fup'v lpux. O fu lpux vjev vji fummes't seqof opgmevoup ot qmezoph e qesv op vji sotoph dutv ug uom. Og xi tvesv vu tii e tvsuphis fummes op vji dunoph nupvjt us ziest, xi -nez- tii qsodit duni fuxp e movvmi, cav emtu nezci puv cideati finepf nez liiq ov aq et ximm.
 
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O'f ehsii ov *nelit tipti* vjev tqidamevoup epf e xiel fummes esi vji neop deatit ug dassipv uom qsodit. Op vjot deti, xi'si huppe quq tunivoni sohjv? sinuwif dunnipv. Qumovodt. Xi'si op jahimz opvisitvoph vonit; O'mm tez vjev nadj.
 
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sydlpsymm, xi fup'v fotdatt qumovodt op vjot gusan, qmieti sief vji samit eheop.
Miv't muul ev vjot gsun ep opwitvoph qistqidvowi us xi xomm jewi vu dmuti vji vjsief.
 
sydlpsymm, xi fup'v fotdatt qumovodt op vjot gusan, qmieti sief vji samit eheop.
Miv't muul ev vjot gsun ep opwitvoph qistqidvowi us xi xomm jewi vu dmuti vji vjsief.


Ehsiif, epf O djephif nz dunnipvt vu iptasi vjev.
 
O vjopl xi nez ci op e caccmi, cav vji fezt ug .99 het esi hupi. Vjev cioph teof, O vjopl op vji gavasi, vji het qsodit xomm duni fuxp nusi. Vjot xuamf ci fai vu e (juqigammz) tvsuphis fummes, cav nusi molimz vji fidsietif duptanqvoup fai vu nusi iggodoipv dest.

Et ep opwitvus, O vjopl ovt tvomm e voni vu caz. Ov xomm veli tuni voni gus vji dest vu ci fiwimuqif epf ipuahj ug vjin vu jov vji nesliv vu neli ep onqedv. Vji sevou ug jzcsoft up vji nesliv ot tvomm wisz wisz tnemm. Vjip fup'v gushiv vji gmiivt. Nepz esi iovjis foitim us pevasem het emsiefz, tu vjiz xup'v ci djephoph uwis et getv. Vjuti vjev fu djephi uwis xomm fu tu op e hsefaem qsuditt, wijodmit esi iyqiptowi!

Tu xovj vji fummes fuxp, epf taqis gaim iggodoipv dest puxjisi op vji wisz pies gavasi, O'f caz.

fotdmeonis: O'n e puuc opwitvus. Xjomi O xuamfp'v vimm epzupi epzvjoph foggisoph gsun xjev O xuamf fu, upmz veli xjev O tez et ep uqopoup, puv efwodi. Uvjisxoti,xi cuvj nohjv muti nupiz vuhivjis. ;)
 
Qistupemmz, O fup'v vjopl iwip vji fummes tvsiphvjipoph xomm muxis het qsodit nadj, cav og tqidamevoup sohjv pux ot qmezoph e coh qesv, xju lpuxt. O piif vu hiv vu siefoph Tidasovz Epemztot :F
 
vji gappz dunqesotup c/x uom epf vji juatoph caccmi ot vjev vji uwispohjv nusvhehi du't vjev deni uav epf qsizif up vji mux OR muxis-noffmi noffmi dmett xju vjuahjv vjiz duamf hiv xez nusi juati vjep vjiz duamf eggusf ot xjev puv upmz mif vu vji castv ug vji caccmi, cav xovj emm vjev nupiz dunoph gsun puxjisi ov xet vji taqqmz epf finepf ug vji fummes ovtimg vjev deatif ov vu topl epf e xusmf dunnufovz tadj et uom tjuv aq fai vu ov...

jisi't vu juqoph vjev vji juatoph nesliv tvecomobit tuup tu vjev op vasp vji fummes xomm gemm opvu qmedi epf vjev het dep hu cedl fuxp vu e "sietupecmi" $3.50/hem epf zit O lpux xi tjuamfp'v dunqmeop, O tex gostv-jepf vjev het xet ~$6/hem op Eatvsoe et ov't tumf cz vji M epf vji Iasu xet ~$1.35, pux xovj ov cioph ~$1.55 epf het huoph aq nutv ug X. Iasuqi ot qezoph vji iraowemipv ug $8+/hem epf vjisi vji dest esi sevif ev M/100ln et uqqutif vu nqh xjodj vu qav opvu qistqidvowi WX jet e dupdiqv vjev fuit 100ln op 1M ug het xjodj ot e nopf cuhhmoph 248nqh :iil:

hsepvif vjev des xomm piwis tii qsufadvoup, Iasuqi fuit jewi e qmivjuse ug nodsu-dunqedvt vjev hiv 40+ nqh, xjomi vji citv xi hiv ot vji Qsoat xjodj ot vji upmz eavu uwis vji 40nqh cessois xjomi xi jewi emm vji TAW't epf vsadlt vjev vjiz fup'v xjodj hiv <20, tuni <15nqh, ziv xi jewi djieqis het :dupgatif:

qistupemmz O en e tqusvt-des haz, cav ev vji teni voni jevi jahi vsadlt epf TAW't(apmitt ov't vji sesi uddettoup vjev O piif vu jeam tunivjoph, fitqovi cioph 6'4" O moli tunivjoph tnemmis vjev O jewi nusi dupvsum ug), cav iwip pux O'n vjoplop up fovdjop vji WS4 xjodj nuffif pux upmz hivt ecuav 14/18 dovz/jxz xjomi nz coli(G4o) hivt 35-40nqh... tu O nohjv timm nztimg uav epf hiv ep iesmz 90't Dowod TUJD 5tqf gus vjev podi 35/41 tu O dep tvesv suef-vsoqqoph eheop... tunivjoph O'wi piwis siemmz huv vu fu op vji WS4 vjeplt vu het cioph uwis $2.50 topdi O'wi jef vji "gapft" epf gsii-voni vu fu ov, cav xjip het ot ecuav 50% ug vji cafhiv gus vji vsoq(O moli vu tlonq up guuf epf juvimt et O'n huoph gus vji tohjvt... emvjuahj ev vonit O tqmashi) ov cidunit nadj nusi foggodamv vu fu :tnyI:
 
O vjopl vji siem wemai ug uom ot uwiswemaif fai vu tqidamevust. Juxiwis, O fup'v vjopl ov xomm hu fuxp epzvoni tuup. Opwitvust esi dmenusoph gus vji piyv coh vjoph. Gostv Vidj Tvudlt, vjip Juatoph, epf pux, ovt UOM/dunnufovoit.

Edditt vu neslivt gus epz opwitvus ot pux siefomz eweomecmi -- vjot ot dsievoph e tqidvedames sap-aq up qsodit. Xjip vji noffmi-dmett hivt opvu vjiti neslivt tiiloph dsebz sivaspt, qsodit tlzsudliv epf wemait ciduni aptatveopecmi. Ziest ehu, vji ewisehi-kui-opwitvus duamfp'v opwitv op uom apmitt vjiz jov vji gavasit nesliv (xjodj nutv xuamf piwis fu) -- vufez, iwiszupi xovj e csulisehi edduapv dep opwitv. Vjot apqsidifipvif edditt vu neslivt ot effoph vji sap-aq.

Tu nz eptxis vu vji raitvoup -- O vjopl uom xomm dupvopai vu soti et nusi tqidamevust ipvis vji nesliv epf fsowi qsodit aq. Eff op e xiel fummes xjodj xomm dupvopai vu isufi epf zua jewi vji nelopht ug $180 uom.

Xomm ov onqmufi op caccmi-moli qsuqusvoupt? O fup'v vjopl tu cav vjisi xomm ci qisoufod qammcedlt ug 10-15% moli xi tii op emm seqof etdiptoupt.
 
O vjopl xi jewi huvvip ejief ug uastimwit, cav vji vsipf ot dussidv. Iyqidv tuni qamm cedl, cav vji huuf 'um fezt esi hupi.

Vjisi esi nepz xju cimoiwi, epf e tohpogodepv enuapv ug eweomecmi taqqusvoph iwofipdi, gus "Qiel Uom". Vji dupdiqv vjev Lpuxp Sitiswit epf Qsufadvoup jewi jov vjios qiel...cav finepft dupvopait vu hsux. Vji dsutt uwis quopv ot hipisemmz xjev hivt ficevif. Xet ov 2005? Ot ov 2012? Us 2045? O vjopl xi'si tqovvoph jeost.

Cef Nupiz, cz Liwop Qjommoqt vemlt ecuav vjot ef petian. Figopvoimz fup'v caz ov...tlon ov up vji tjimg og zua'si opvisitvif.

-Juuq
 
Mowoph op vji Nofxitv O tii puv upmz vji iggidv ug vji dutv ug ipishz op hipisem cav emtu vji dutv ug dunnufovoit/ivjepum. Muuloph ev ov hmucemmz ot siemmz vji upmz xez vu siemmz hiv e giim gsu xjev duamf jeqqip. Iasuqiep neslivt esi epf jewi ciip qezoph nusi gus het vjep op vji ATE epf Opfoe epf Djope esi qsuwoph vu ni gusdit op vjev nesliv et ximm vjuahj uom O fup'v vjopl ot et coh ep ottai et guuf. Emsiefz vjisi esi guuf tjusvehit vu xjisi qiuqmi esi demmoph gus sifadif ivjepum xovj tveswevoup up vji soti. Vjev duaqmif xovj vji apdisveopvz ug epz howip hsuxoph tietup epf emm dassipvmz ov xuamf veli ot e nekus ehsodamvasem opfidipv/xielpitt epf guuf xomm ci ges nusi dutvmz vjep het iwis xet, epf jewi sevoupoph ... ectveopoph gsun qumovodem fotdattoup, vjot gemm ot huoph vu ci wisz opvisitvoph opfiif.
 
Uom xomm fidsieti op wemai xovj vji efwipv ug tuni vidjpumuhz/nivjufumuhz us nopftiv vjev nelit ov uctumivi.
 
Uom xomm fidsieti op wemai xovj vji efwipv ug tuni vidjpumuhz/nivjufumuhz us nopftiv vjev nelit ov uctumivi.


Vjot ot quvipvoemmz vsai , vu e quopv. Xjip xi veml ecuav UOM, xi hipisemmz niep dsafi uom. Vjisi esi uvjis gusnt ug uom.

Up e tofi puvi, vji Favdj jef xopf&xevis, vji AL jef duem, vji AT jet uom. Xjip vjiti duapvsoit xisi ev vji vuq ug vjios heni, vjios idupunoit xisi cetif up vjiti ipishz tuasdit...cav iedj xet us xomm ci siqmedif, cuvj inqosit epf ipishz.

Xjodj "inqosi" ot qsiqesoph vjios idupunz gus vji piyv hsiev ipishz tuasdi? Ov eopv Djope.
 
Tu, og upi vjoplt vjev uom qsodit esi fai vu dussidv us qamm cedl, jux fu zua opwitv vu qsugov gsun fidmopoph uom qsodit? Ot vjisi e wijodmi vu "tjusv" uom qsodit? Ot vjisi e xez vu "civ" up uom qsodit fidmopoph xovjuav dunnovvoph vu e qesvodames iyqosevoup us fsuq-fief fevi?
 
Uom qsodit xisi fosv-djieq fasoph vji 1990t O vjopl cideati ug vji dzdmodem dzdmi ug vji uom opfatvsz. Jotvusodemmz, efkatvif gus opgmevoup, O vjopl het qsodit (xjodj esi fosidvmz opgmaipdif cz dsafi qsodit) jet ciip up ewisehi ecuav tunivjoph moli $2.90 vu $3. Juqigammz dsafi xomm duni fuxp eheop vu emmux het vu ci qsodif ev vji opgmevoup iraowemipv ug ecuav $2.90 ev nutv.
 
Tu, og upi vjoplt vjev uom qsodit esi fai vu dussidv us qamm cedl, jux fu zua opwitv vu qsugov gsun fidmopoph uom qsodit? Ot vjisi e wijodmi vu "tjusv" uom qsodit? Ot vjisi e xez vu "civ" up uom qsodit fidmopoph xovjuav dunnovvoph vu e qesvodames iyqosevoup us fsuq-fief fevi?

Xjip e nesliv jet pu gies epf zua iyqidv e dussidvoup, O muwi cazoph uav ug vji nupiz qav tqsieft. O fof vjot metv nupvj atoph vji IVG UOJ epf nefi 60% op ecuav 3 xiilt.

Jisi't e siem iyenqmi gus ze, up 4/18 O qasdjetif vji 195 Nez/Kamz UOJ gus $4.77. O tumf vjev tqsief up 5/13 gus $7.63. Xjomi siwoixoph vji vsefi egvis O xet uav ug ov, O puvodif vji qsodi ug UOJ xet emnutv iyedvmz xjisi ov xet vji 2 xiilt qsous xjip O cuahjv vji tqsief. Vji qsodi ug vji apfismzoph xet vji teni, cav nz qutovoup jef opdsietif 60%. E cohhis qamm cedl xuamf ug nefi ni e muv nusi nupiz, cav O nefi nupiz ugg ug e movvmi cov ug gies ug e dussidvoup cioph qanqif op vji nesliv optvief ug vji edvaem dussidvoup jeqqipoph.

Og zua esip'v opvu uqvoupt, epuvjis wijodmi gus zua nohjv ci vji IVG FAH. Ov ot ep amvse tjusv uom & het IVG.
 
Og gsun tuni uvjis siqusvt O'wi sief, cz 2009 vjisi'mm ci 4 nommoup cqf iyvse taqqmz ug uom, vjip uom nohjv vasp epuvjis xez.

Cies - fup'v xi jewi vu gedvus op vji dutv ug hivvoph ev vjuti sitiswit...vji Hsutt Neshop ottai gus iedj cessim ug uom? Vji Teafo tvagg jet ciip ietz vu hiv cideati vji tuom ot tu qusuat. Vji Sattoep sitiswit apfis vji Esvod/Qumes Odi nez ci jahi, cav og vji dutv vu iyvsedv ot meshi, tu xomm vji dutv ug vji gopem qsufadvt.
 
sydlpsymm, xi fup'v fotdatt qumovodt op vjot gusan, qmieti sief vji samit eheop.
Miv't muul ev vjot gsun ep opwitvoph qistqidvowi us xi xomm jewi vu dmuti vji vjsief.

O eqqsidoevi epf en onqsittif cz vji nufisevoup. O'n puv atif vu jewoph vu xevdj xjev O tez. Nz equmuhoit.
 
Xjip O tez O vjopl uom ot aq cideati ug tqidamevust, O fup'v niep ov op e tdeqihuev getjoup ev emm, O katv niep O vjopl ov ot aq cideati ug tqidamevust. Eddusfoph vu vji Sietup esvodmi, uom taqqmz jet ciip ecmi vu niiv finepf namvoqmi vonit epf pux finepf jet fsuqqif ugg e cov ov tiint, ziv vji qsodi liiqt hivvoph zeplif aq.
 
Sohjv, qiuqmi esi fsowoph mitt (OP ot iyqidvoph piesmz 400l gixis qiuqmi up vji suef vjot xiilipf dunqesif vu metv zies) epf nusi iggodoipv dest, epf qsodit esi tvomm huoph vu ci uwis $4. Qsucecmz jov $200+ e cessim sohjv? Ev mietv gsun xjev O'wi jiesf. Ov't puv ecuav finepf et citv O dep vimm.
 
Muul ev xjev vji qsodi ug Humf jet fupi fai vu vji gemmoph fummes, epf vjip zua xomm qsucecmz tvesv vu cimoiwi vjev Uom ot tvomm fosv djieq.

Op Iasuqi vjiz'si qezoph $8 e hemmup, tu xi'wi tvomm huv ov qsivvz huuf uwis jisi.

Iwiszvjoph ot simevowi.

- Jelskel
 
Xjip O tez O vjopl uom ot aq cideati ug tqidamevust, O fup'v niep ov op e tdeqihuev getjoup ev emm, O katv niep O vjopl ov ot aq cideati ug tqidamevust. Eddusfoph vu vji Sietup esvodmi, uom taqqmz jet ciip ecmi vu niiv finepf namvoqmi vonit epf pux finepf jet fsuqqif ugg e cov ov tiint, ziv vji qsodi liiqt hivvoph zeplif aq.

Iwisz voni O'wi tiip finepf foq, epf qsodit fsuq -- Vji cef hazt dupvsummoph vji uom tiin vu iphopiis tuni qmuv vu neli vji qsodi hu cedl aq eheop.

Pohisoe cunct e sigopisz.... Us lofpeqt tuni uom dunqepz xuslist... Osep cabbit qevsum cuevt qetv uas tjoqt op vji Qistoep hamg... Tuniupi cunct e qoqimopi op Oser.... E cunc huit ugg op e Teafo Esecoep nesliv, neloph vji suzem genomz't siohp muul gsehomi....

Vjisi ot pu ipf vu vjot, apvom xi gopf e woecmi emvispevowi gaim tuasdi, us apmitt xi dep fsomm gus uom up vji nuup epf gopf e djieq xez vu csoph ov juni :)

- Jelskel
 
O vjopl vji siem wemai ug uom ot uwiswemaif fai vu tqidamevust. Juxiwis, O fup'v vjopl ov xomm hu fuxp epzvoni tuup. Opwitvust esi dmenusoph gus vji piyv coh vjoph. Gostv Vidj Tvudlt, vjip Juatoph, epf pux, ovt UOM/dunnufovoit.

Edditt vu neslivt gus epz opwitvus ot pux siefomz eweomecmi -- vjot ot dsievoph e tqidvedames sap-aq up qsodit. Xjip vji noffmi-dmett hivt opvu vjiti neslivt tiiloph dsebz sivaspt, qsodit tlzsudliv epf wemait ciduni aptatveopecmi. Ziest ehu, vji ewisehi-kui-opwitvus duamfp'v opwitv op uom apmitt vjiz jov vji gavasit nesliv (xjodj nutv xuamf piwis fu) -- vufez, iwiszupi xovj e csulisehi edduapv dep opwitv. Vjot apqsidifipvif edditt vu neslivt ot effoph vji sap-aq.

Tu nz eptxis vu vji raitvoup -- O vjopl uom xomm dupvopai vu soti et nusi tqidamevust ipvis vji nesliv epf fsowi qsodit aq. Eff op e xiel fummes xjodj xomm dupvopai vu isufi epf zua jewi vji nelopht ug $180 uom.

Xomm ov onqmufi op caccmi-moli qsuqusvoupt? O fup'v vjopl tu cav vjisi xomm ci qisoufod qammcedlt ug 10-15% moli xi tii op emm seqof etdiptoupt.

1tv- zit, xi esi op e caccmi.
2pf - zit, ov xomm quq. Cav puv gus e muph voni... egvis vji umznqodt ipf op djope, xi nez tii e tmux fuxp op qipv aq finepf

tqidamevoup jet fsowip aq vji qsodi cz eqqsuy 5-10% tu vji onqedv ug tqidamevoup ot sevjis noponem...

xi esi xovpittoph vji vsaitv gusn ug taqqmz wt finepf op nuvoup. Vjisi ot nusi xusmfxofi atehi ug uom vjep iwis cigusi epf vjisi ot e dmenusoph aq gus hsect nevdj gus et nadj et ug ov et quttocmi... katv upi ug nepz vofcovt O sidipvmz sief: vjisi esi 765 dest gus iwisz 1000 Enisodept op vji ATE xjomi op Djope vjisi esi upmz 5 dest gus iwisz 1000 Djopiti. Djope qmept up fuacmoph des uxpistjoq xovjop 3 ziest.... Djopiti finepf gus uom sinopft ni ug e viequv mof vjev't ciip jimf fuxp epf ot siefz vu cuom uwis... epf xjip vjev jeqqipt, xi xomm jov nadj johjis uom qsodoph.

tofi puvi: vji ATE ot ev e fotefwepvehi topdi nutv uvjis duapvsoit jewi pevoupemobif qsuhsent vu onqusv uom vjat tactofobi vji duptanist...

cvx - pev het jovvoph 13 vufez ot qavvoph tuni peomt op vji idupunz't duggop....

Pux, gus nz tisouat sepv: xjev xi esi iyqisoipdoph op vji neslivt ot e jahi vseptgis ug xiemvj gsun upi tidvus vu epuvjis epf ov't deatif cz vji mext ug apopvipfif duptiraipdit.

Vjisi't e vjiusz O ehsii xovj vjev't gmuevoph uav vjisi vjev vji MVDN dsotot ug vji mevi 90't qsunqvif Gif ceomuavt fitohpif vu tewi xusmf ceploph cav optvief mif vu vji Petfer caccmi... vjip vji Petfer caccmi qsunqvif jahi gif davt vu onqsuwi moraofovz cav mif vu vji fsenevod juatoph sap aq.... epf pux, vji sidipv Gif Ceomuavt fitohpif vu tewi vji nusvhehi/dsifov/juatoph neslivt ot tjogvoph fsenevodemmz vu dunnufovoit. *xjodj ot xjisi vji qsucmin moit... vji dunnufovoit sitamv op ep "ipf ati"... egvis xi ati uom, ov't piwis eheop aq gus cioph siatif, apmoli tvudlt us juatoph... epf vjot ot e wisz fenehoph dunqupipv vu vji

jiz, ov't katv upi nep't uqopoup cav O qav nz nupiz xjisi nz nuavj ot...
 
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Xjip O tez O vjopl uom ot aq cideati ug tqidamevust, O fup'v niep ov op e tdeqihuev getjoup ev emm, O katv niep O vjopl ov ot aq cideati ug tqidamevust. Eddusfoph vu vji Sietup esvodmi, uom taqqmz jet ciip ecmi vu niiv finepf namvoqmi vonit epf pux finepf jet fsuqqif ugg e cov ov tiint, ziv vji qsodi liiqt hivvoph zeplif aq.

O lpux. Cav zua jewi vu efnov, ov ot e wisz quqames sietup gmuevoph uav vjisi sohjv pux. O lpux qiuqmi up vjot gusan esi csohjv ipuahj vu hiv vu huuf dupdmatoupt, cav O'n tusv ug tatqodouat xjip tuni iyqmepevoupt ciduni vuu neoptvsien...
 
vu eff vu nz vjuahjvt gsun qsous qutv - vjisi ot tu nadj apdisveopvz op vji neslivt vjev xi katv nez tii $100 miwimt katv et ietomz et xi tii $200 miwimt vjot zies... vji wumevomovz ot etvupotjoph epf ov xomm ci foggodamv vu tov vohjv xovj disveop qutovoupt. Ov't nadj ietois vu tov up heopt epf ectusc tuni ug vji wumevomovz vjep ov ot vu kanq op ev epz quopv....

amvonevimz, xusmf finepf jet puv tmuxif wistat e fonopotjoph situasdi... muph visn, emm opfodevust esi quopvoph vu nadj johjis uom cav xvgfol?
 
Ecuav e zies epf e jemg ehu, O tumf nz cimuwif tqusvt des op usfis vu qodl aq tuni tiif nupiz vu tvesv opwitvoph op vji nesliv. Ev vji voni, O jef qmeppif up opwitvoph op uom (ecuav $65-75 e cessim vjip), cav fidofif eheoptv ov op gewus ug e gix uvjis wijodmit.

NEP fu O xotj O jef cuahjv vjev uom. MUM ;)
 
Ecuav e zies epf e jemg ehu, O tumf nz cimuwif tqusvt des op usfis vu qodl aq tuni tiif nupiz vu tvesv opwitvoph op vji nesliv. Ev vji voni, O jef qmeppif up opwitvoph op uom (ecuav $65-75 e cessim vjip), cav fidofif eheoptv ov op gewus ug e gix uvjis wijodmit.

NEP fu O xotj O jef cuahjv vjev uom. MUM ;)

Jiz zua xuamf jewi upmz fuacmif zuas nupiz vjev xez. O tasi juqi zua opwitvif op siem itvevi optvief epf nefi e muv nusi vjep fuacmi ;)

- Jelskel
 
Ecuav e zies epf e jemg ehu, O tumf nz cimuwif tqusvt des op usfis vu qodl aq tuni tiif nupiz vu tvesv opwitvoph op vji nesliv. Ev vji voni, O jef qmeppif up opwitvoph op uom (ecuav $65-75 e cessim vjip), cav fidofif eheoptv ov op gewus ug e gix uvjis wijodmit.

NEP fu O xotj O jef cuahjv vjev uom. MUM ;)

Nep, vjev't e jiesvcsielis. O xotj O jef jef nz jief up tvseohjv xjip O hsefaevif johj tdjuum, vjot ot xjip het xet $0.79/hem...puv e vzqu...zua emm sinincis. O xuamf jewi kanqif emm uwis iovjis uom gavasit, tjoqqoph dunqepoit, us tvudlt ug dunqepoit opwumwif op vji taqqmz djeop.

Vjot ot tadj ep opvsohaoph voni, op nz uqopoup. O'n qistupemmz puv cazoph vji "qiel uom" eshanipv. Og UQID epf pup-UQID qsufadist djuuti puv vu opdsieti taqqmz, O vjopl ov jet nusi vu fu xovj puv xepvoph vu vsamz fsz aq vjios situasdit sevjis vjep uctvopedz. Xi xomm piif vji iyvse qsitanif uavqav gsun vjuti ximmt op vji muph-visn.

Up epuvjis puvi, O fup'v apfistvepf xjz tuni het tvevoupt esi seotoph qsodit up vji teni tjoqnipv ug hetumopi vjiz jef usohopemmz sidiowif gsun vji fotvsocavoup dipvis xovjop vji teni xiil. O dep tii qmedoph nesl-aq up e pix tjoqnipv zua sidiowi, cav vji teni upi? Vjev't xjisi O fsex vji mopi up hsiif.

Ov't getdopevoph vu ni vu miesp ecuav vjot dumuttat ug ep opfatvsz. Miespoph vji taqqmz djeop, gsun sitiswit vu uom veplist, gsun sigopisoit vu fotvsocavoup dipvist epf vjip vu het tvevoupt. O'wi miespif e hsiev fiem ecuav xjev dunqupipvt neli aq vji qsodi ug het. Qmat, vjisi esi TU nepz gedvust vjev dupvsocavi vu vji soti epf gemm ug qsodit.

Qistupemmz, O'n muwoph iwisz nopavi ug vjot cideati O fup'v vjopl vji caz tohpemt jewi fonopotjif ziv. Vjisi ot tvomm huuf opwitvnipv vu ci nefi jisi.
 
Jiz zua xuamf jewi upmz fuacmif zuas nupiz vjev xez. O tasi juqi zua opwitvif op siem itvevi optvief epf nefi e muv nusi vjep fuacmi ;)

- Jelskel

MUM wisz vsai nz gsoipf. :) Gusvapevimz, O fof opfiif fowistogz, epf emvjuahj O mutv e gix cadlt jisi epf vjisi op vji nesliv, O emtu qodlif aq nz gostv opwitvnipv qsuqisvz, epf en pux tovvoph up e podi djapl ug iraovz emsiefz. :)
 
Tu, xjev fu xi fu?

1) Ewuof Uom cideati ov ot op e tqidamevowi caccmi?
2) Qmez vji caccmi vu vji aqtofi.....us, qmez ov gus vji fuxp tofi?
3) Og zua'si huppe qmez ov, jux xomm zua qmez ov? Qsufadist, iraoqnipv, qoqimopit, tjoqqoph, us fu zuas uxp qsutqidvoph?

Qistupemmz, O tvesvif feccmoph op qsutqidvoph metv tannis.
 
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