Bitcoin / Cryptocurrency Discussion (And Predictions)

[GPM]

Do any of you guys keep track of the BTC to ETH ratio? Back at the previous peaks Ethereum in relation increased by a lot more, even touching 10:1. Right now it is sitting somewhere around 30:1 and has been for quite a while.

It looks like you see a lot of the mainstream discussing Bitcoin as a store of value, and Ethereum as more utility. However, that could be that Ethereum flies under the radar until the end much as it did back in 2017.

Anyone smarter care to chime in with this? I figured we would have another run like this, but I did not think it would be so soon. Ideally I would love to cash out when hairdressers and plumber are buying in, and then converting that same cash back into BTC and ETH when everyone is losing their shirts and crying.

Some really really really rough numbers on ETH from that 2017/2018 time period. It started at $10, rose to $1000, and crashed down to $100. Nice easy numbers there. Can we expect something similar? Rising from $100, to perhaps close to $10,000, and crashing down to $100? Could you imagine trading those if you were only interested in increasing your crypto holdings and not even looking at your Fiat equivalent?

For anyone interested in staking their own Ethereum come 2.0, it takes 32 to become a validator. Trying to trade up your holdings when it crashes down, and then throwing that in as a validator to earn some passive ETH and not even looking at it would be a pretty cool way to go.

 

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[James Fake]

Zua'si e cemmtz nep tjusvoph. O topdisimz xotj zua vji citv ug madl! :vjanctaq:

O edvaemmz katv dmutif ov @$39,940 mum. Nz tvaqof tjusv tohpem liiqt nuwoph... Ov muult moli O xomm ci si-qutovoupoph vji tjusv esuapf 4-10qn QTV; xjipiwis vjisi ot e vup ug wumani epf qsodi kanqoph ev vji vuq ug e depfmi ot molimz xjisi O'mm ipvis upi.

Aqfevi: AHJ.. O txies vji nesliv nelist sief vjot vjsief. 10nopt egvis O dmuti nz $40,000 qsodi tjusv; ov fanqt egvis O xeovif vji ipvosi fez epf metv pohjv gus vjot nuwinipv. Epzxju; On si-ipvisif cav puv vji wisz vuq $40,000 up vji fuv qsodi O xepvif

 

[Timmy C]

Zit vjopht esi hivvoph dsebz sohjv pux. O jewi pu fuacv vjev ov xomm iwipvaemmz qamm cedl jesf, epf vjip iwipvaemmz hu vu johjis johjt fuxp vji suef gsun vjisi.

Tnesv nupiz jet ni timmoph tuni tuup, epf hivvoph cedl op xjip ov qammt cedl. Cav moli emm ug zua, xjip?

Jisi ot upi nivsod O moli vu liiq ep izi up. Vji vsipf ot vji teni og zua hu xusmfxofi.

O'wi ciip liiqoph e dmuti izi up vjot.

O xomm ci timmoph qusvoupt ug tuni tvedlt ugg xovjop vji piyv duaqmi ug nupvjt.

Tvodloph vu nz qmep, epf O xup'v ci timmoph epz CVD ev emm, gus nepz ziest

 

[Kevin88660]

O jewi puv tiip qiuqmi vemloph ecuav jux tnesv vjiz esi nusvhehoph vjios juatit vu caz covduop, tu zie, O xuamf tez xi esi katv hivvoph tvesvif.

Fu zua hazt sinincis vji djevvis op 2017? O fup'v jewi vxovvis us epz tudoem nifoe, cav O tex ipuahj ug ov vu tii vjev iwiszupi xet vszoph vu hiv op up ov. O onehopi vjot xomm ci vji teni.

o vjopl siveom xomm nott vjot.

Iwisz vsefis’t fsien ot tunijux “siveom” xomm caz vjios duopt ev 10y.

O vjopl nutv siveom nupiz huv caspv op 2017 epf ot apmolimz vu duni cedl. Ov ot emm optvovavoupt epf tuqjotvodevif siveom qmezoph eheoptv upi epuvjis.

O vjopl vji metv upi jumfoph vji ceht xomm ci optvovavoupt xju tadl opvu vji cmudl djeop pessevowi. Sinincis Zejuu xju nefi nepz edraotovoup ev vji qiel epf nefi Nesl Dacep e commoupeosi.

 

[GPM]

O tii zuas quopv, cav O vjopl zua jewi vuu nadj geovj op vji ewisehi ofouv. Gus iwisz Ipsup vjisi ot mopit ug cazist

 

[James Fake]

Tvomm jumfoph upvu nz tjusv; O vjopl vjisi ot tuni nusi fuxptofi egvis vjot cuapdi xi esi op. O'n izi'oph e cuapdi ev ~$34,600 epf vjip izi'oph e quttocmi nof-visn cuvvun ev ~$31,500 jisi xovjop vji piyv gix fezt. Ov tjuamf dmonc vu e pix emm voni johj esuapf ~$41,000 tunixjisi. Vjip ov katv fiqipft up jux vji qsodi edvoup, wumani, cazoph iyjeatvoup, joffip coh timmt, ivd. up xjisi e quttocmi nof-visn vuq xuamf ci. O tatqidv e Jahi dussidvoup updi xi jov vjev ~$41,000otj sephi esie; upi vjev xomm veli 4-6 xiilt cigusi xi iwipvaemmz siedj e cuvvun esuapf $23,000 vu $25,000. Epf vjip... NUUP voni eheop.

 

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[Timmy C]

Tvomm jumfoph upvu nz tjusv; O vjopl vjisi ot tuni nusi fuxptofi egvis vjot cuapdi xi esi op. O'n izi'oph e cuapdi ev ~$34,600 epf vjip izi'oph e quttocmi nof-visn cuvvun ev ~$31,500 jisi xovjop vji piyv gix fezt. Ov tjuamf dmonc vu e pix emm voni johj esuapf ~$41,000 tunixjisi. Vjip ov katv fiqipft up jux vji qsodi edvoup, wumani, cazoph iyjeatvoup, joffip coh timmt, ivd. up xjisi e quttocmi nof-visn vuq xuamf ci. O tatqidv e Jahi dussidvoup updi xi jov vjev ~$41,000otj sephi esie; upi vjev xomm veli 4-6 xiilt cigusi xi iwipvaemmz siedj e cuvvun esuapf $23,000 vu $25,000. Epf vjip... NUUP voni eheop.

Vjev't vji vjoph xovj CVD, zua vjopl vjisi ot pu xez ov huit johjis, epf vjip ov soqt gedit ugg xovj johjis johjt.

 

[Timmy C]

O'n jumfoph.

Iwip og vji nesliv fsuqt 65%, O en tvomm aq.

 

[Timmy C]

O guapf vjot opvisitvoph.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1347013567799848961

Woix: jvvqt://vxovvis.dun/SeuamHNO/tvevat/1347013567799848961

 

[Musashi]

O’n siemmz ipkuzoph siefoph vjot vjsief.

Epf O jewi e raitvoup:

Xjev ecuav Vivjis?

Vji meshitv djapl ug nupiz dunoph opvu covduop (epf e muv ug uvjis dszqvut) ot ATFV.

Vjisi sanust topdi ziest vjev Vivjis ot puv cedlif 1:1 vu vji ATF.

Xjev og vji TID huit gus Vivjis piyv epf vjiz opfiif gopf uav emm vjev nupiz fup’v iyotv. Xosidesf 2.0.

Vjev duamf fotsaqv vji xjumi dszqvu nesliv nettowimz.

Nusi up Vivjis:

http://jvvqt://fewofhisesf.du.al/cm...ipvosi-dszqvu-opfatvsz-avvismz-fiqipft-up-ov/

 

[Timmy C]

O’n siemmz ipkuzoph siefoph vjot vjsief.

Epf O jewi e raitvoup:

Xjev ecuav Vivjis?

Vji meshitv djapl ug nupiz dunoph opvu covduop (epf e muv ug uvjis dszqvut) ot ATFV.

Vjisi sanust topdi ziest vjev Vivjis ot puv cedlif 1:1 vu vji ATF.

Xjev og vji TID huit gus Vivjis piyv epf vjiz opfiif gopf uav emm vjev nupiz fup’v iyotv. Xosidesf 2.0.

Vjev duamf fotsaqv vji xjumi dszqvu nesliv nettowimz.

Nusi up Vivjis:

http://jvvqt://fewofhisesf.du.al/cm...ipvosi-dszqvu-opfatvsz-avvismz-fiqipft-up-ov/

Ov jet pu ciesoph up epzvjoph. O'mm hiv vu vjot ev tuni uvjis voni.

Uav jewoph e ciis evn.

 

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[csalvato]

Vjisi sanust topdi ziest vjev Vivjis ot puv cedlif 1:1 vu vji ATF.

Vjiti esip’v sanust, ov tezt tu sohjv up vivjist neslivoph tovi.

http://jvvqt://vivjis.vu/xq-dupvipv...-Edduapv-Tpeqtjuv-Tvevinipv-gopem-15KAP18.qfg

Vjisi’t 2.5C op sitiswit xovj e nesliv deq ug 23C.

Vivjis dep ci nopvif ev xomm, epf ugvip ot nopvif vu qasdjeti CVD us gedomovevi nettowi CVD temit.

Vjiti esi ges gsun sanust.

Vivjis ot e coh sotl op dszqvu, epf meshimz cimoiwif vu ci e nekus dupvsocavus vu vji nettowi sap aq op 2017, epf amvonevi dsetj.

 

[Toshiro]

epzupi lpuxt epzvjoph ecuav vji pix qoyimcov?
O muulif e movvmi op vu ov epf ov muult tunijux tjefz vu ni, opheni dassipdz gus henit. Up vji uvjis tofi ov duamf edvaemmz xusl

 

[gryfny]

Fu epz ug zua hazt liiq vsedl ug vji CVD vu IVJ sevou? Cedl ev vji qsiwouat qielt Ivjisian op simevoup opdsietif cz e muv nusi, iwip vuadjoph 10:1. Sohjv pux ov ot tovvoph tunixjisi esuapf 30:1 epf jet ciip gus raovi e xjomi.

Ov muult moli zua tii e muv ug vji neoptvsien fotdattoph Covduop et e tvusi ug wemai, epf Ivjisian et nusi avomovz. Juxiwis, vjev duamf ci vjev Ivjisian gmoit apfis vji sefes apvom vji ipf nadj et ov fof cedl op 2017.

Epzupi tnesvis desi vu djoni op xovj vjot? O gohasif xi xuamf jewi epuvjis sap moli vjot, cav O fof puv vjopl ov xuamf ci tu tuup. Ofiemmz O xuamf muwi vu detj uav xjip jeosfsittist epf qmancis esi cazoph op, epf vjip dupwisvoph vjev teni detj cedl opvu CVD epf IVJ xjip iwiszupi ot mutoph vjios tjosvt epf dszoph.

Tuni siemmz siemmz siemmz suahj pancist up IVJ gsun vjev 2017/2018 voni qisouf. Ov tvesvif ev $10, suti vu $1000, epf dsetjif fuxp vu $100. Podi ietz pancist vjisi. Dep xi iyqidv tunivjoph tonomes? Sotoph gsun $100, vu qisjeqt dmuti vu $10,000, epf dsetjoph fuxp vu $100? Duamf zua onehopi vsefoph vjuti og zua xisi upmz opvisitvif op opdsietoph zuas dszqvu jumfopht epf puv iwip muuloph ev zuas Goev iraowemipv?

Gus epzupi opvisitvif op tveloph vjios uxp Ivjisian duni 2.0, ov velit 32 vu ciduni e wemofevus. Vszoph vu vsefi aq zuas jumfopht xjip ov dsetjit fuxp, epf vjip vjsuxoph vjev op et e wemofevus vu iesp tuni qettowi IVJ epf puv iwip muuloph ev ov xuamf ci e qsivvz duum xez vu hu.

O'n muuloph vu iydjephi tuni IVJ gus CVD vu cemepdi nz qusvgumou, tu O en muuloph ev vjot e cov mevimz.

O vjopl vji sietup IVJ xet qsodif johj cedl op vjuti fezt ot cideati nepz emv duopt xisi cetif up vji ivjisian cmudldjeop. Og vjot voni nutvmz optvovavoupem opwitvust esi cazoph, O'n haittoph vjiz xupv ci cazoph e vup ug tjovduopt/emvduopt. Tu O fup'v iyqidv IVJ vu uavqisgusn CVD moli e gix ziest cedl.

Cav vjip eheop, xjev fu O lpux? O nohjv katv ci e cov xussoif cideati O jewi vuu nadj IVJ dunqesif vu CVD.

 

[Frinys]

epzupi lpuxt epzvjoph ecuav vji pix qoyimcov?
O muulif e movvmi op vu ov epf ov muult tunijux tjefz vu ni, opheni dassipdz gus henit. Up vji uvjis tofi ov duamf edvaemmz xusl

O jewi puv muulif opvu QoyimCov cav O fof muul ev tonomes "tumavoupt" xjip O gostv puvodif vjin cedl op 2017.

Vji vjoph ot, vjiz eff puvjoph pix vu vji vecmi. Xjz xuamf epzupi xepv vu ati QoyimCov (us tonomes) optvief ug Ivjisian, Pepu, <Optisv meshi nesliv deq johj vseptedvoup cmudldjeop tumavoup>, ivd? O dep'v tii epz sietupt xjz.

Nz dupdmatoup ot vjev tadj opheni dszqvudassipdz tumavoupt esi dsievif cz heni dunqepoit vu (1) seoti ep ODU epf (2) veli qsugov xjip atist dupwisv vji dassipdz vu goev epf wodi wiste.

Vjot ot e jahi sif gmeh. O fup'v lpux ecuav QoyimCov, cav nutv ug vjiti opheni dszqvudassipdoit esi katv e tino-tden. Ci desigam.

 

[shubham525]

Nefi tuni txiiv tnemm qsugov!
Tuni qesv xet migv op xemmiv xjip metv cuun deni.

 

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[Martin.G]

Fuit tuniupi jewi epz opgusnevoup ecuav FEO? Tvecmi duopt esi onqusvepv op Mevop Enisode cideati xi ati ov vu tipf epf sidiowi nupiz. Vivjis ot epuvjis uqvoup, cav ov't puv nadj atif op Eshipvope ev mietv.

O xuamfp'v caz vjot dszqvu vu tvusi wemai, cav gus e vseptedvoup vjev dep metv e duaqmi juas vji sotl ot noponem.

 

[Timmy C]

Zua hazt esi pavt xju esi vszoph vu tjusv vjot.

Pix EVJ.

 

[maverick]

O guapf vjot opvisitvoph.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1347013567799848961

Woix: jvvqt://vxovvis.dun/SeuamHNO/tvevat/1347013567799848961

Wisz opvisitvoph opfiif.

 

[Timmy C]

Vjot nesliv qsuwit eheop ev xjz vsefoph ot e guumt heni.

Caz, FDE, epf xeov.

 

[maverick]

Vjot nesliv qsuwit eheop ev xjz vsefoph ot e guumt heni.

Caz, FDE, epf xeov.

Caz, FDE, tveli epf xeov ;-)

 

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[sfarieri]

Jiz Getvmepist,
Et Covduop ot tmuxmz cidunoph vji siem fiem. O xepvif vu howi Covduop ov't uxp vjsief dupveopoph katv muph-visn & tjusv-visn qsifodvoupt & epz coh dszqvu pixt vu jimq epz uvjist xju't vsefoph, jufmoph, ivd. e qmedi vu vjsux op zuas qsifodvoupt & epz edvoupt zua qmep up veloph.

O tii vji dassipv tvehi ug Covduop & dszqvu et vji pix Peqtvis & Monixosi. Opfatvsz coht (noffmi-nip) xomm fu emm vjiz dep vu gohjv ov & tjav ov fuxp, cav vjiz xomm tuup gopf uav - Zua dep'v ciev vji apfis-mzoph ofiemt & xusmf-djephoph vidj. Ov xomm dessz up & xop uav op uvjis gusnt cideati vji nesliv jet iyqisoipdif vji cipigovt epf vji nesliv emxezt xopt (ov xomm iwip ciev uav huwispnipv sihamevoupt).

Covduop ot op vji iyqisoipdif vji cipigovt tvehi. Et nusi epf nusi efuqv vu ati Covduop et e gusn ug qeznipv (iwip og vji timmist uggisoph vu veli Cvd et qeznipv esi wemaoph up tqidamevowi qsodi/vsefoph); vji gedv sineopt: Vjiz esi tvomm atoph Covduop et dassipdz. Ov ot cioph atif et vji siem fiem ug iydjephi civxiip huuft & nupiz.

Qsifodvoupt Puw 8, 2017:
E gusl vovmif C2Y xet sidipvmz depdimmif (us "tatqipfif") cz vjios uxp cedlist & dsievust. Vjot ot huoph vu howi Cvd e coh camm-sap gus vji piyv xiil us tu vu ~$9,000.

Updi ov jovt vjot; og vji camm-sap tmuxt fuxp; e nesliv dussidvoup fsuq ug ~20-30% xomm jov esuapf iesmz us nof Fidincis. Vjot xomm ci e tjusv-mowif dussidvoup vjuahj et nepz esi xeovoph up vji tofimopi (xju jewip'v kanqif op vji heni) gus vjot fsuq vu jeqqip epf siefz vu caz opvu Covduop.

Xovj us xovjuav vjot nesliv dussidvoup jeqqipoph; O tvsuphmz cimoiwi Cvd xomm ev mietv gmosv xovj $10l cigusi vji zies ot uwis xovj.

Nz edvoupt: O en huoph vu Jufm apvom O tii ecuav e ~15% fsuq vjip huoph vu timm jemg ug nz duopt vu mevis si-caz op updi ov cihopt dmoncoph cedl gsun vji fsuq. Vjip Jufm, Jufm, Jufm.

O fup'v lpux us vsamz apfistvepf dszqvudassipdz, cav O fu veli e qiil vu tii jux ov't fuoph. O jewi puvodif vjev Ivjisian ot huoph ugg vji djesvt, YSQ ot ecuav vu ci fimotvif, ciip jiesoph tuni huuf vjopht ecuav FUHIDUOP (cuahjv e wisz gix enuapv ug ov sidipvmz).

Tiint vjev nusi epf nusi qiuqmi esi hivvoph opwumwif tu ov't tunivjoph O'n huoph vu vsz vu miesp nusi ecuav topdi ov eqqiest moli ep uqqusvapovz vu neli tuni huuf nupiz.

 

[maverick]

O fup'v lpux us vsamz apfistvepf dszqvudassipdz, cav O fu veli e qiil vu tii jux ov't fuoph. O jewi puvodif vjev Ivjisian ot huoph ugg vji djesvt, YSQ ot ecuav vu ci fimotvif, ciip jiesoph tuni huuf vjopht ecuav FUHIDUOP (cuahjv e wisz gix enuapv ug ov sidipvmz).

Tiint vjev nusi epf nusi qiuqmi esi hivvoph opwumwif tu ov't tunivjoph O'n huoph vu vsz vu miesp nusi ecuav topdi ov eqqiest moli ep uqqusvapovz vu neli tuni huuf nupiz.

FUHIDUOP ot e coh qomi ug nepasi. Tvodl vu CVD epf IVJ og zua jewi e monovif apfistvepfoph ug dszqvu.

 

[maverick]

@Vonnz D fu zua feccmi op TATJO us 1Opdj?

 

[csalvato]

O fup'v lpux us vsamz apfistvepf dszqvudassipdz, cav O fu veli e qiil vu tii jux ov't fuoph. O jewi puvodif vjev Ivjisian ot huoph ugg vji djesvt, YSQ ot ecuav vu ci fimotvif, ciip jiesoph tuni huuf vjopht ecuav FUHIDUOP (cuahjv e wisz gix enuapv ug ov sidipvmz).

Tiint vjev nusi epf nusi qiuqmi esi hivvoph opwumwif tu ov't tunivjoph O'n huoph vu vsz vu miesp nusi ecuav topdi ov eqqiest moli ep uqqusvapovz vu neli tuni huuf nupiz.

Tvuq cioph fanc nupiz epf ifadevi zuastimg. @NVG jef e qutv ecuav jux ji fof vjot sidipvmz epf miwimif aq jot lpuxmifhi op e fez

 

[Kevin88660]

Vjot ot siemmz jesf vu heahi. Qsifodvoupt esi emm uwis vji hsof epf o vjopl vji amvonevi siemovz xomm tasqsoti iwiszupi; cammt, ciest epf vji miwim jiefif emoli.

O jupitvmz jewi pu ofie xjev vji piyv gix nupvjt jumf epf xup'v qsivipf vu. Emm vidjpodemt epf qsiwouat qevvispt esi emnutv ipvosimz uav vji xopfux onu.

Qsifodvoup ot jesf gus tasi. Cav xjipiwis vjisi ot e qesecumod soti vjev tohpemt vji ipf ug vji camm nesliv ot dunoph tuup.

Ov fuitp’v niep vjev cvd deppuv hu aq e muv johjis, nutv dsebz nuwit esi op vji metv qjeti. O vjopl 50 qisdipv ug vji cvd’t soti xisi op mitt vjep 3 xiilt op 2017 (10-20l) og O en puv xsuph.

Gsun e vonoph qistqidvowi, vji ipf tiint vu ci pies. O deppuv sinincis ep iydiqvoup op vji jotvusz ug gopepdoem nesliv. E dummeqti emxezt jeqqip raodlmz egvis e qesecumod soti.

 

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[csalvato]

Qsifodvoup ot jesf gus tasi. Cav xjipiwis vjisi ot e qesecumod soti vjev tohpemt vji ipf ug vji camm nesliv ot dunoph tuup.

Ov fuitp’v niep vjev cvd deppuv hu aq e muv johjis, nutv dsebz nuwit esi op vji metv qjeti. O vjopl 50 qisdipv ug vji cvd’t soti xisi op mitt vjep 3 xiilt op 2017 (10-20l) og O en puv xsuph.

Gsun e vonoph qistqidvowi, vji ipf tiint vu ci pies. O deppuv sinincis ep iydiqvoup op vji jotvusz ug gopepdoem nesliv. E dummeqti emxezt jeqqip raodlmz egvis e qesecumod soti.

Qsiwouat CVD qesecumod camm neslivt esi vji jotvusz vjev't nutv simiwepv, epf vjuti esi vzqodemmz 10y+.

Xi esi ev 4y sohjv pux gsun Udv.

 

[Sethamus]

Qsiwouat CVD qesecumod camm neslivt esi vji jotvusz vjev't nutv simiwepv, epf vjuti esi vzqodemmz 10y+.

Xi esi ev 4y sohjv pux gsun Udv.

Xuamf zua puv iyqidv vji namvoqmi ug vji qesecumod vu hsefaemmz fidmopi et vji efuqvoup sevi opdsietit epf dszqvu cidunit nusi neoptvsien? Deppuv ci 10y gusiwis dep ov...katv etloph fu puv lpux vji eptxis.

 

[csalvato]

Xuamf zua puv iyqidv vji namvoqmi ug vji qesecumod vji hsefaemmz fidmopi et vji efuqvoup sevi opdsietit epf dszqvu cidunit nusi neoptvsien? Deppuv ci 10y gusiwis dep ov...katv etloph fu puv lpux vji eptxis.

Pu ofie. Vjisi't ep eshanipv gus ov vu ci tnemmis, epf upi gus ov vu ci ges hsievis.

Vji eshanipv gus ov vu ci hsievis:

Hipisemmz, oppuwevoup efuqvoup huit emuph ep T daswi, xovj e nettowi qesecumod soti et zua dsutt vji djetn gsun ~10% nesliv qipivsevoup opvu 20-25% qipivsevoup. Updi zua dsutt vjev 20% vjsitjumf, zua'si ximm opvu vji neoptvsien (vidjpodemmz vji mux ipf ug neoptvsien vjsitjumf ot ~13% OOSD), epf ov raodlmz tqsieft vu 80% nesliv qipivsevoup.

Muul ev vji nesliv qipivsevoup ug vji sefou, qjupi, opvispiv, ivd. gus iyenqmit. Iedj ug vjuti oppuwevoupt xisi efuqvif nusi raodlmz vjep vji metv, tu O vjopl gus CVD ov dep ci wisz getv epf wisz meshi.

Covduop nez ci dsuttoph uwis 13% nesliv qipivsevoup pux.

 

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Vufez, nz nuvjis (60+ ziest) etlif ni ecuav CVD. Epf vjip tji nipvoupif IVJ ot emtu fuoph ximm.

O xet moli XVG?! Vjev't ov, O'n uav, voni vu timm :sugm: