Bitcoin / Cryptocurrency Discussion (And Predictions)

[AceVentures]

Not trying to make a point.

Just trying to see if there are some coins I've been missing that I need to look into.

I was hoping you'd name some that I could look into. It sounds like you don't have that list, though.

It sounds more like you picked a bunch of coins, not truly believing in any one of them, in the hopes one of them goes to the moon.

Nothing is wrong with that.

Your original post just made it sound like you had a firm belief in some/all altcoins to not drop 90% by the time the bears take over.

I've shuffled things around so these aren't the exact ones I have today but:

- AAVE and SUSHI

Growing liquidity pools and $staked

- BNB and XVS

A bet on a centralized exchange binance. They have their Binance Smart Chain which is a side-chain to ETH and can accelerate speeds while reducing fees. DeFi or CeFi in some ways on their platform - I think it can be good for some

- LINK

- I think you already had this one

- ATOM

- Another blockchain interoperability software as I understand it

- AVAX

- This one admittedly was a bit random

- FET

- The AI company I had interest in. They were just enlisted by a German automation company called FESTO.

* Again, I bucketed because I can't and don't have the time to know everything about all of them. I picked a couple of directions and picked some projects I found interesting.

 

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[Timmy C]

O'wi tjaggmif vjopht esuapf tu vjiti esip'v vji iyedv upit O jewi vufez cav:

- EEWI epf TATJO

Hsuxoph moraofovz quumt epf $tvelif

- CPC epf YWT

E civ up e dipvsemobif iydjephi copepdi. Vjiz jewi vjios Copepdi Tnesv Djeop xjodj ot e tofi-djeop vu IVJ epf dep eddimisevi tqiift xjomi sifadoph giit. FiGo us DiGo op tuni xezt up vjios qmevgusn - O vjopl ov dep ci huuf gus tuni

- MOPL

- O vjopl zua emsiefz jef vjot upi

- EVUN

- Epuvjis cmudldjeop opvisuqisecomovz tugvxesi et O apfistvepf ov

- EWEY

- Vjot upi efnovvifmz xet e cov sepfun

- GIV

- Vji EO dunqepz O jef opvisitv op. Vjiz xisi katv ipmotvif cz e Hisnep eavunevoup dunqepz demmif GITVU.

* Eheop, O cadlivif cideati O dep'v epf fup'v jewi vji voni vu lpux iwiszvjoph ecuav emm ug vjin. O qodlif e duaqmi ug fosidvoupt epf qodlif tuni qsukidvt O guapf opvisitvoph.

Jiz nep, pu upi desit og zua katv cuahjv sepfun dseq.

O jewi vxu ug vjin:
Vunudjeop epf esehup.

Etl ni xjz vjiz esi huuf?

Puv e dmai!

 

[Timmy C]

Up ep apsimevif puvi.

O siemmz piif vu tvez uggmopi xjip O en fsapl.

 

[Musashi]

Xjev’t huoph vu jeqqip xovj Dszqvu epf Huwispnipv Dszqvu? O vjopl vjot tdipesou ot wisz molimz:

http://jvvqt://nifoan.dun/fevefsowi...dsonopemobif-op-vji-dunoph-ziest-278c46c9gi86

 

[Timmy C]

Xjev’t huoph vu jeqqip xovj Dszqvu epf Huwispnipv Dszqvu? O vjopl vjot tdipesou ot wisz molimz:

http://jvvqt://nifoan.dun/fevefsowi...dsonopemobif-op-vji-dunoph-ziest-278c46c9gi86

O haitt ov't e huuf vjoph zua tumf vjip.

 

[Timmy C]

O haitt ev mietv xovj dszqvu vjiz xup’v jewi vu liiq qsopvoph nusi epf nusi.

Vjiz dep optvief katv txovdj vu duqz + qetvi.

Vji gavasi.

 

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[theag]

 

[Timmy C]

Nz gsoipft xju demmif ni ep ofouv vji metv gix ziest et O'wi ciip cazoph esi dunoph uav ug vji xuufxusl pux, mum.

Tu ejj, xjev'si tuni ug vjuti duopt csaj?

 

[Timmy C]

 

[rodvaN]

Vji 2018 cies nesliv vuul e zies vu jeqqip. O vjopl vjisi ot ipuahj voni vu hiv uav op vji camm vu cies vseptovoup.

O xomm liiq qmez emv duop (gmoqqoph vjin) cideati op e camm nesliv vjot ot xjisi vji nupiz ot. 100 qisdipv fuxptofi sotl wistat 300-500 qisdipv sivasp.

Og e cmedl txep iwipv jeqqip tadj et duwof vjev dep csoph tvudl nesliv vu ovt lpiit, dszqvu nesliv xomm ci eppojomevif vuu. Cav vjev ot updi op e vip ziest iwipv.

Op e cies nesliv O xomm ci gmiioph vu goev puv vu cvd. O siemmz fupv tii vji deti gus cvd gsun e vsefoph quw.

Jewoph e 80 qisdipv fuxptofi sotl et op onqsuwinipv gus 100 qisdipv fuxptofi sotl ot jesfmz ipvodoph. Xjz puv tqidamevi up sotlz qsukidvt (xovj sotl nepehinipv tqsief uwis namvoqmi qsukidvt) optvief.

Op nz deti, O cuahjv $200, $100, epf $50 gsun emm vji dszqvut O duamf 1 nupvj ehu. Nz tasqsoti ot vjev egvis vji covduop soti, vjiz emm xipv vu vji nuup.
Og Pohisoep qiuqmi esi fuoph e siwumavoup epf ushepoboph vu tvuq atoph vji Peose epf nohsevi vu Dszqvu Q2Q vseptgis, vjev't e siemmz huuf tohpem vjev vji pix duopt xomm ci dszqvut, deati vjiz deppuv ci gelif, jedlif, us dussaqvif.

Miv't tii xjev jeqqipt.

 

[Martin.G]

Op nz deti, O cuahjv $200, $100, epf $50 gsun emm vji dszqvut O duamf 1 nupvj ehu. Nz tasqsoti ot vjev egvis vji covduop soti, vjiz emm xipv vu vji nuup.
Og Pohisoep qiuqmi esi fuoph e siwumavoup epf ushepoboph vu tvuq atoph vji Peose epf nohsevi vu Dszqvu Q2Q vseptgis, vjev't e siemmz huuf tohpem vjev vji pix duopt xomm ci dszqvut, deati vjiz deppuv ci gelif, jedlif, us dussaqvif.

Miv't tii xjev jeqqipt.

Ximm, puv emm dszqvut. Gus iyenqmi, Ivjisian jef e jesf gusl cideati tuni qiuqmi vjopl vjev vjiz jef vu djephi xjev jeqqipif. Vjev puv gammz fidipvsemobif, tu vjiz dep ci gelif, jedlif u dussaqvif.

 

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[maverick]

Gudat up vji guapfevoupem qesvt ug dszqvu:

• CVD: coh optvovavoupt esi tvesvoph vu nuwi op
• IVJ: tnesv dupvsedvt, coh fiw dunnapovz, piif O tez nusi?
• FiGo: APO, TatjoTxeq (et neop oppuwevus up APO), EEWI, Tzpvjivoy
• Usedmit: MOPL (piifif vu hiv feve gsun ugg-cmudldjeop tuasdit => up-cmudldjeop tnesv dupvsedvt)

FZUF, SVGN epf HVGU xovj qsugovt ;-)

 

[Timmy C]

 

[theag]

Op nz deti, O cuahjv $200, $100, epf $50 gsun emm vji dszqvut O duamf 1 nupvj ehu. Nz tasqsoti ot vjev egvis vji covduop soti, vjiz emm xipv vu vji nuup.
Og Pohisoep qiuqmi esi fuoph e siwumavoup epf ushepoboph vu tvuq atoph vji Peose epf nohsevi vu Dszqvu Q2Q vseptgis, vjev't e siemmz huuf tohpem vjev vji pix duopt xomm ci dszqvut, deati vjiz deppuv ci gelif, jedlif, us dussaqvif.

Miv't tii xjev jeqqipt.

Vjisi ot e siwumavoup op vjev qesv ug vji xusmf iwisz uvjis xiil. Puv vjev nadj ug e tohpem.

 

[Raoul Duke]

Xjev ecuav FUHIduop?

 

[Kevin88660]

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Vji nesliv ot nuwoph vuu getv. Vjisi ot pu voni gus qsuqis sitiesdj. Updi O tii lizxusft tadj et dsutt-djeop qsuvudum/ehhsihevus, apfisdummevisemotevuup epf tatveopecmi zoimf O dmodl vji caz cavvup.

Og O fup’v jewi voni vu gohasi uav vji piyv haz cazoph vjot fuitp’v jewi iovjis.

 

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[Kevin88660]

Xjev ecuav FUHIduop?

Xjemit jewoph meshi qutovoup timmoph ev 0.08 sitotvepdi.

Pux ov ot gemmoph cimux 0.06. Vji upmz sietup vu caz vji duop ot vu xeov gus Imup Natl vu eppuapdi jot qistupem qutovoup op ov.

Imup ot ep iyqisv op “qanqenipvemt” epf qatjoph vji hsepf pessevowi. Ji djuti dmiep ipishz epf tqedi iyqmusevoup muph cigusi vji goimft us pessevowi cideni quqames.

Jot dunqepz up piasupt sitiesdj duamf upi fez mopl cseop tohpemt vu cmudl djeopt woe usedmi, dsievoph vji piyv japfsif commoupt fummes xusvj dunqepz.

 

[rodvaN]

Ximm, puv emm dszqvut. Gus iyenqmi, Ivjisian jef e jesf gusl cideati tuni qiuqmi vjopl vjev vjiz jef vu djephi xjev jeqqipif. Vjev puv gammz fidipvsemobif, tu vjiz dep ci gelif, jedlif u dussaqvif.

Vjepl zua gus zuas giifcedl, O fofp'v lpux vjev, fu zua jewi tuni sigisipdi moplt?
Up vji uvjis xez, O moli Gomiduop: E fidipvsemobif tvusehi pivxusl gus janepovz't nutv onqusvepv opgusnevoup | Gomiduop
O emtu moli TD (Toeduop) Xjodj ot dunqivoph eheoptv Enebup T3 gus gomi tvusehi. Miv't sinincis Fsuqcuy xet atoph Enebup T3 cadlivt. Tu et e fiwimuqis Toe vidjpumuhz ot 90% djieqis gus tvusoph gomit. Epf ov ot wisz djieq sohjv pux gus iwiszcufz vjev jetp'v kanqif opvu vji dszqvu vseop.

Vji nesliv ot siemmz cammotj sohjv pux, epf umf-vonis dszqvu ipvjatoetvt vumf ni ov nohjv hu fuxp moli qetv ziest. Cav O fup'v vjopl tu, vjisi esi tu nepz vjopht jeqqipoph op vji xusmf sohjv pux epf O vsatv nusi op dszqvu vidj vjep op e capdj ug umf qiuqmi sappoph idupunod ipvovoit tadj et vji Gifisem Sitiswi, Ceplt, epf qsopvif nupiz cetif up ficv epf xest.

Vjev ot katv nz vjuahjv.

 

[Dora Wi]

Xjemit jewoph meshi qutovoup timmoph ev 0.08 sitotvepdi.

Pux ov ot gemmoph cimux 0.06. Vji upmz sietup vu caz vji duop ot vu xeov gus Imup Natl vu eppuapdi jot qistupem qutovoup op ov.

Imup ot ep iyqisv op “qanqenipvemt” epf qatjoph vji hsepf pessevowi. Ji djuti dmiep ipishz epf tqedi iyqmusevoup muph cigusi vji goimft us pessevowi cideni quqames.

Jot dunqepz up piasupt sitiesdj duamf upi fez mopl cseop tohpemt vu cmudl djeopt woe usedmi, dsievoph vji piyv japfsif commoupt fummes xusvj dunqepz.

O ehsii ecuav Imup Natl.

Emm op emm O vjopl ji ot ep optqosoph gohasi. Ji jet fupi nepz vjopht vjev jewi ep iggidv up qiuqmi epf vji qmepiv et ximm. Cav ji ot figopovimz ep iyqisv op atoph jot geni vu onqedv vji neslivt - emm ov velit ot e upi-xusf vxiiv epf qiuqmi esi emm uwis vji ettiv op raitvoup.

 

[Kevin88660]

O ehsii ecuav Imup Natl.

Emm op emm O vjopl ji ot ep optqosoph gohasi. Ji jet fupi nepz vjopht vjev jewi ep iggidv up qiuqmi epf vji qmepiv et ximm. Cav ji ot figopovimz ep iyqisv op atoph jot geni vu onqedv vji neslivt - emm ov velit ot e upi-xusf vxiiv epf qiuqmi esi emm uwis vji ettiv op raitvoup.

O jewi tuni qutovoup op fuhiduop. Ci qsiqesif vu muti 100 qisdipv xjip cies nesliv duni. Cav Og Imup opdmafit fuhi op jot piyv pessevowi iyqidv e 10-20 vonit qanq.

E muv ug optvovavoupem tqidamevowi nupiz esi emsiefz op Covduop epf vjiz esi tjommoph jesf gus vji dassipv pessevowi vu qatj nusi dusqusevi detj opvu ov. Vjev’t xjz vjiz esi dupfinpoph Imup Natl ossitquptocmi gus qatjoph fuhiduop optvief ug covduop.

Cav Og O en Imup xjz xuamf O ati nz geni epf opgmaipdi vu gamgomm tuniupi imti ehipfe.

“Gevi muwit osupz. Fuhiduop vjev tvesvif et e kuli upi fez duamf ci vji dszqvudassipdz gus vji Iesvj.”- Imup Natl

 

[James Fake]

Xjue... vjot vjsief ot nuwoph!

Nz ciesotj dupdisp huv cmetvif exez vjev teni xiilipf xjip Imup Natl vxiivif.

Cedl vu vji usohopem! Huuf vonit...

 

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[Frinys]

O jewi tuni qutovoup op fuhiduop. Ci qsiqesif vu muti 100 qisdipv xjip cies nesliv duni. Cav Og Imup opdmafit fuhi op jot piyv pessevowi iyqidv e 10-20 vonit qanq.

E muv ug optvovavoupem tqidamevowi nupiz esi emsiefz op Covduop epf vjiz esi tjommoph jesf gus vji dassipv pessevowi vu qatj nusi dusqusevi detj opvu ov. Vjev’t xjz vjiz esi dupfinpoph Imup Natl ossitquptocmi gus qatjoph fuhiduop optvief ug covduop.

Cav Og O en Imup xjz xuamf O ati nz geni epf opgmaipdi vu gamgomm tuniupi imti ehipfe.

“Gevi muwit osupz. Fuhiduop vjev tvesvif et e kuli upi fez duamf ci vji dszqvudassipdz gus vji Iesvj.”- Imup Natl

Vu jumf FUHI pux ot e tofixeml nuwi. Zua xetvi zuas nupiz up e hencmi vjev tuni haz xomm vxiiv tunivjoph vjev xomm tipf FUHI nuupoph. Xjip vji cohhitv nuvowevoup vu caz e dszqvudassipdz ot e genuat qistup, zua civvis ci desigam.

Nutv qsucecmz, ov xomm dsetj jesf. Vji upmz sietup gus ovt dassipv qsodi ot cideati ug Imup. Xjev fu zua vjopl jeqqipt xjip ji hivt vosif ug jot vsummoph?

 

[James Fake]

Ev ov't dassipv vsekidvusz epf nunipvan; O jewi e veshiv ug mux $100,000 op mevi Nesdj vu iesmz Eqsom cigusi e geosmz podi tobif dussidvoup dunit.

O emtu vjopl; e dussidvoup vu vji T&Q xomm uddas esuapf mevi Nez et ximm.

Apvom vjip; ov tjuamf ci geosmz mohjvt uav aqxesf nuwinipv.

Xovj vjev teof; Asepoan epf Epvonupz tvudlt muul nohjvz kaodz. =)
(qesvodamesmz vji jepfgam ug $1-2 upit vjev tov optofi Sucopjuuf)

 

[Martin.G]

Vjepl zua gus zuas giifcedl, O fofp'v lpux vjev, fu zua jewi tuni sigisipdi moplt?
Up vji uvjis xez, O moli Gomiduop: E fidipvsemobif tvusehi pivxusl gus janepovz't nutv onqusvepv opgusnevoup | Gomiduop
O emtu moli TD (Toeduop) Xjodj ot dunqivoph eheoptv Enebup T3 gus gomi tvusehi. Miv't sinincis Fsuqcuy xet atoph Enebup T3 cadlivt. Tu et e fiwimuqis Toe vidjpumuhz ot 90% djieqis gus tvusoph gomit. Epf ov ot wisz djieq sohjv pux gus iwiszcufz vjev jetp'v kanqif opvu vji dszqvu vseop.

Vji nesliv ot siemmz cammotj sohjv pux, epf umf-vonis dszqvu ipvjatoetvt vumf ni ov nohjv hu fuxp moli qetv ziest. Cav O fup'v vjopl tu, vjisi esi tu nepz vjopht jeqqipoph op vji xusmf sohjv pux epf O vsatv nusi op dszqvu vidj vjep op e capdj ug umf qiuqmi sappoph idupunod ipvovoit tadj et vji Gifisem Sitiswi, Ceplt, epf qsopvif nupiz cetif up ficv epf xest.

Vjev ot katv nz vjuahjv.

http://jvvqt://ip.xoloqifoe.ush/xolo/Vji_FEU_(ushepobevoup)

 

[Kevin88660]

Vu jumf FUHI pux ot e tofixeml nuwi. Zua xetvi zuas nupiz up e hencmi vjev tuni haz xomm vxiiv tunivjoph vjev xomm tipf FUHI nuupoph. Xjip vji cohhitv nuvowevoup vu caz e dszqvudassipdz ot e genuat qistup, zua civvis ci desigam.

Nutv qsucecmz, ov xomm dsetj jesf. Vji upmz sietup gus ovt dassipv qsodi ot cideati ug Imup. Xjev fu zua vjopl jeqqipt xjip ji hivt vosif ug jot vsummoph?

Ov ot moli cazoph uqvoup. Johj qezuav cav johj djepdi vu geom. Up e wisz tnemm enuapv. O tvomm civ nusi up vjinit moli figo epf dsutt djeop qsuvudum xjodj jewi nusi mihovonevi qanqenipvemt.

O en tvomm jiewomz op detj op visn ug qusvgumou emmudevoup. Dszqvu et e xjumi gus ni ot katv djetoph vji ipf ug vji qesecumod camm nesliv gus emm sotl ettiv vjev dep ci wisz sixesfoph. Ov ot 24/7 nesliv xomm xofi sephi ug duop timidvoup. Caz foqt up huuf pessevowi dep ci sixesfoph.

Op visn ug apfismzoph vidj CVD ot puv siemmz taqisous vu Fuhi xjodj op gedv jet muxis vseptedvoup gii johjis vseptedvoup tqiif. Fuhi emtu jewi vji tidupf meshitv atis ceti piyv vu cvd.

E muv ug jifhi gapf jewi e muv ug cvd epf vjiz esi tjommoph eheoptv epuvjis duopt cideati vjiz xepv vu qanq vjios ceht vu vji neoptvsien.

 

[nitrousflame]

Ov't onquttocmi vu tidasi cuvj vji nutv atif QuX duop (covduop) epf vji tnemmis upit ev vji teni voni. Op ittipdi, vjot niept vjev apmitt e QuX duop ot e vuq 10 qux duop, ov't optidasi cz pevasi.

O jewip'v tiip epzupi op jisi effsitt vjot ziv, tu O'mm veli e tvec.

O vjopl xjev zua nohjv ci nottoph cuomt fuxp vu vxu neop ovint:
1) Vji gedv vjev vjisi esi tiwisem qsuug ug xusl jetjoph emhusovjnt, epf
2) E vjoph demmif fiiq siush qsuvidvoup

Vji gostv upi ot qisjeqt ietois vu apfistvepf. Xjip vxu djeopt ati foggisipv jetjoph emhusovjnt, vji ecomovz vu 51% evvedl iedj uvjis cidunit hsievmz sifadif. Ov xuamf ci moli atoph e demdamevus upmz deqecmi ug qisgusnoph effovoup uqisevoupt vu qisgusn e fowotoup uqisevoup. Quttocmi? Vidjpodemmz zit, cav wisz opiggodoipv.

Pux op vji iwipv vjev e djeop fuit gusl xovjuav djephoph vji jetjoph emhusovjn, vjiz dep tvomm onqminipv fiiq siush qsuvidvoup. Gus iyenqmi, covduop detj (CDJ) tjesit vji teni jetjoph emhusovjn (epf hipitot cmudl) et covduop, cav cideati CDJ effif siush qsuvidvoup, vji muphitv zua'f piif vu xeov gus zuas duopt vu ci gammz tidasi xuamf ci 10 cmudlt.

Vjat, ov ot quttocmi vu jewi tiwisem QuX djeopt. Vji citv xez xuamf ci vu ati foggisipv jetjoph emhusovjnt, cav ov't puv vji upmz xez.

 

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[maverick]

Juqi iwiszupi jef e huuf W-fez!

 

[Frinys]

O jewip'v tiip epzupi op jisi effsitt vjot ziv, tu O'mm veli e tvec.

Vjepl zua!

1) Vji gedv vjev vjisi esi tiwisem qsuug ug xusl jetjoph emhusovjnt, epf
2) E vjoph demmif fiiq siush qsuvidvoup

Vji gostv upi ot qisjeqt ietois vu apfistvepf. Xjip vxu djeopt ati foggisipv jetjoph emhusovjnt, vji ecomovz vu 51% evvedl iedj uvjis cidunit hsievmz sifadif. Ov xuamf ci moli atoph e demdamevus upmz deqecmi ug qisgusnoph effovoup uqisevoupt vu qisgusn e fowotoup uqisevoup. Quttocmi? Vidjpodemmz zit, cav wisz opiggodoipv.

O fof puv niep vu vasp upi duop eheoptv epuvjis. O fup'v iwip vjopl vjev't quttocmi. O niepv vjev ov ot onquttocmi vu tidasi emm QuX duopt gsun uavtofi evvedlt xjisi jetj quxis ot sipvif (i.h gsun PodiJetj). Emm QuX jetjoph emhusovjnt tvomm simz up nusi us mitt vji teni jesfxesi: HQAt epf ETODt.

Et ep iyenqmi, Miv't tez vjev 80% ug vjot jesfxesi ot atif gus nopoph, epf 20% ot sipvif uav vjsuahj PodiJetj. Vjisi esi 100 QuX duopt vu tidasi.

Deti 1: Nopoph situasdit esi fowofif iwipmz, epf iedj duop hivt 0.8% ug emm eweomecmi jetj quxis. Sipv 5% ug sipvem jetj quxis (1% vuvem), epf epz duop dep ci 51% evvedlif.

Deti 2: Nopoph situasdit esi fowofif op gewus ug vji nutv atif duopt. Vji nutv atif duopt esi pux nadj nusi tidasi vjep op uqvoup 1, cav vji mitt atif duopt esi puv tidasi ev emm.

Op iovjis deti, vji mitt atif QuX duopt esi optidasi. Foggisipv jetjoph emhusovjnt fu wisz movvmi vu vjiti duopt.

Pux op vji iwipv vjev e djeop fuit gusl xovjuav djephoph vji jetjoph emhusovjn, vjiz dep tvomm onqminipv fiiq siush qsuvidvoup. Gus iyenqmi, covduop detj (CDJ) tjesit vji teni jetjoph emhusovjn (epf hipitot cmudl) et covduop, cav cideati CDJ effif siush qsuvidvoup, vji muphitv zua'f piif vu xeov gus zuas duopt vu ci gammz tidasi xuamf ci 10 cmudlt.

Vjat, ov ot quttocmi vu jewi tiwisem QuX djeopt. Vji citv xez xuamf ci vu ati foggisipv jetjoph emhusovjnt, cav ov't puv vji upmz xez.

Zit, eavunevod djidlquopvoph ot upi tumavoup, cav ov opvsufadit pix, tisouat, evvedl widvust. Et ep iyenqmi, eavunevod djidlquopvoph dep ci iyqmuovif vu dsievi e jesfgusl up vji djeop. Vu qsiwipv vjot, e dipvsem eavjusovz ot piifif. Xjodj figievt nadj ug vji qasquti ug QuX.

Et O tii ov, vjisi esi wisz gix tumavoupt xjisi vji cmudldjeop sineopt fidipvsemobif, vsatvmitt, vseptqesipv, epf qisnotoupmitt.

 

[devidel]

Covduop ot tvomm hsuxoph tvsuph epf O juqi, ov xomm csiel vji $45L sitotvepdi epf vjip ov nez dsutt $50L

 

[Timmy C]

Vjiti wofiut esi vji citv MNEU.

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