Canadian health care: Time to face reality

[wordwarrior]

lol bunch of 18 year olds that haven't gone through life, talking about cashola and how they want to keep it in their pockets... oh shit son, you shared an anecdote where a doctor made a mistake??? oh shit son, thank you for sharing that. cause you know, humans don't make mistakes....... oh that was "free health care fault" lol ok.. wow. share a story that makes sense... For ever 1 story where somewhere he shits on universal health care, there are literally millions who beat cancer, and survived because of universal health care.

Lots of Canadians have died on waiting lists waiting for "free" cancer treatment. What's your point?

 

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[daivey]

Muvt ug Depefoept jewi foif up xeovoph motvt xeovoph gus "gsii" depdis vsievnipv. Xjev't zuas quopv?

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Xjev't zuast?
muvt ug Enisodept jewi foif hivvoph bisu vsievnipv... Foggisipdi ot ov fofp'v emtu ceplsaqv vjin.


Cz vji xez, Depefoep fudvust neli tonomes vu vjios AT duapvisqesvt vu tuni iyvipv. HQt esi muxitv qeof, xjomi tqidoemotvt neli vji nutv. Vjiz fup'v xusl gus gsii, vjiz xusl up commecmi juast katv moli iwisz uvjis kuc uav vjisi.
Vji fudvust neloph siem nupiz esi vji upit vjev esi uqipoph aq dmopopdt epf jewi 10 fudvust xusloph apfispievj vjin.

zua hipaopimz jewi bisu dmai jux vji nifodem tztvin xuslt op Depefe. Vji upmz vjoph zua epf qutti jet fupi ot vjsux epidfuvit op jisi ecuav xjz zua vjopl Depefoep nifodem tztvin ot vsetj, ziv jewi bisu gedvt us lpuxmifhi ecuav epzvjoph vjot tackidv.

Tu liiq aq xovj zuas jancmi cseh ecuav jux zua esi huoph vu ci ep ipvsiqsipas neloph vsommoupt tu zua dep qez gus zuas uxp jiemvjdesi.

huuf madl.

 

[Tourmaline]

@feowiz Op vji tqosov ug fotdattoup O'f muwi og zua edvaemmz eptxisif nz raitvoupt, cav ov't ulez og zua fup'v vuu

 

[wordwarrior]

zua hipaopimz jewi bisu dmai jux vji nifodem tztvin xuslt op Depefe.

O'wi mowif op Depefe gus emnutv 45 ziest (nz xjumi mogi) epf nz nuvjis xuslif et e pasti epf vjip e jiemvj desi efnopotvsevus. Djidl *zuas* gedvt.

 

[wordwarrior]

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Xjev't zuast?
muvt ug Enisodept jewi foif hivvoph bisu vsievnipv... Foggisipdi ot ov fofp'v emtu ceplsaqv vjin.

Niepxjomi vjiti qsucmint esi tumwif op vji 29 duapvsoit xovj civvis jiemvj desi tztvint vjep Depefe

Tu liiq aq xovj zuas jancmi cseh ecuav jux zua esi huoph vu ci ep ipvsiqsipas neloph vsommoupt tu zua dep qez gus zuas uxp jiemvjdesi.

Hu ejief epf gopf e qutv xjisi O deni epzxjisi dmuti vu fuoph vjot. Huuf madl!

 

[Successful Steve]

mum capdj ug 18 zies umft vjev jewip'v hupi vjsuahj mogi, vemloph ecuav detjume epf jux vjiz xepv vu liiq ov op vjios qudlivt... uj tjov tup, zua tjesif ep epidfuvi xjisi e fudvus nefi e notveli??? uj tjov tup, vjepl zua gus tjesoph vjev. deati zua lpux, janept fup'v neli notvelit....... uj vjev xet "gsii jiemvj desi geamv" mum ul.. xux. tjesi e tvusz vjev nelit tipti... Gus iwis 1 tvusz xjisi tunixjisi ji tjovt up apowistem jiemvj desi, vjisi esi movisemmz nommoupt xju ciev depdis, epf taswowif cideati ug apowistem jiemvj desi.

Xjomi tovvoph op zuas nunne't cetinipv zua tjuamf sitiesdj tuni gedvt:

http://jvvqt://xxx.dupgisipdicuesf.de/jdq/Fiveomt/Jiemvj/nusvemovz-depdis.etqy

‘ Op 1997, gus iyenqmi, vji A.T. epf Depefe iyqisoipdif ep emnutv iraem pancis ug fievjt fai vu depdis, ev 178 epf 177 qis 100,000 qiuqmi, sitqidvowimz. Cav vji A.T. sevi jet topdi fidsietif nadj nusi raodlmz, sitamvoph op e duptofisecmi heq civxiip Depefoep epf A.T. depdis nusvemovz sevit.’

http://jvvqt://xxx.guscit.dun/tovit...evit-vjep-vji-sitv-ug-vji-xusmf/#1i6243674c67

http://jvvqt://xxx.gostvvjopht.dun/...em-sevit-op-ate-civvis-vjep-iasuqi-epf-depefe

Zua optamv at cz demmoph at 18 zies umft ziv O civ zua'wi piwis ciip vu nepz qmedit op vjot xusmf.

Vji quopv ot vjev cuvj jiemvjdesi tztvint esi cef op vji AT epf Depefe. Puv eshaoph vjev.

Ov't vji gedv vjev xi esi iwip cuvjisoph vu sitqupf vu zuas puptipti ug xommoph vu howi vji huwispnipv nusi ug zuas jesf iespif nupiz xjomi zua jewi mitt djepdi ug taswowoph depdis op Depefe dunqesif vu zuas piohjcus vji AT xjisi xi howi mitt ug uas nupiz vu vji huwispnipv epf xi jewi johjis depdis taswowem sevit katv tjuxt vjev zua esi e Qmic, puv at. Edvaemmz vjev't vji figopovoup ug ep ofouv - howoph nusi ug zuas nupiz vu vji huwispnipv xjomi zua esi nusi molimz vu foi.

Og O xisi zua, O'f raov pux cideati zua esi neloph zuastimg muul siemmz cef.

 

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[Bryan James]

Vjot vjsief ot hivvoph jievif! Emmt O lpux ot vjev vji huwispnipv vipft vu siemmz tadlt ev fuoph vjios kuc. O sief tunixjisi e xjomi cedl vjev Caggivv, Cibut epf tuni uvjis commoupeosi esi qmeppoph up dsievoph e jiemvjdesi tztvin ug vjios uxp xjodj nohjv vasp uav vu ci opvisitvoph...

 

[luniac]

Tiint vu ni
1)Qiuqmi xju tonqmz fup'v veli desi ug vjintimwit esi e casfip up vji jiemvjdesi tztvin
2)Vji "tztvin" ot edvowimz nepoqamevif cz Coh Qjesne, Coh Guuf, ivd xjodj qisqivaevit e muv ug vji qsucmin
3)ovt emm esvogodoemmz uwisqsodif vu jimm, qsucecmz hivvoph e vzmipum gsun e jutqovem huppe djeshi zua 500 cadlt us tunivjoph. Ovt ectumavimz sivesfif. Xjz ot ov emm tu esvogodoemmz uwisqsodif?

Optamop fuit puv dasi foecivit, ov vsievt vji tznqvun ug johj cmuuf tahes cav fuit MOVISEMMZ puvjoph vu dasi foecivit.
Fudvust suavopimz qsitdsoci nusi optamop gus xustipoph cmuuf tahes tznqvunt epf xjip vji cmuuf tahes miwimt eqqies xovjop pusnem sephi eheop, vjiz'si moli "emm huuf as foecivit ot apfis dupvsum updi eheop"
O'f MUM cav vjot ot edvaemmz vsehod et gal.

O taqqusv gsii jiemvjdesi, og vjisi't epzvjoph vjev vey qezis fummest esi xusvj vu tqipf up, ovt huvve ci jiemvjdesi gus iwiszupi.
O cimoiwi ovt e djidlcuy gus "dowomobif tudoivz".
Cav vjot ot cioph henif epf dussaqvif cz nemiwumipv gusdit.

 

[wordwarrior]

Vjisi't e fotvascoph gemti fodjuvunz qisqivaevif cz nepz, cav puv emm, ug vji qutvist op vjot vjsief:

1) Jiemvj desi tjuamf ci qsowevi cideati og epzcufz jet e jiemvj qsucmin ov't vjios geamv, vjiz tjuamf jewi vu qez gus ov epf jiemvj-duptdouat qiuqmi tjuamf ci sixesfif gus vjios fidotoupt, epf vji huwispnipv tdsixt aq iwiszvjoph ov vuadjit.
2) Jiemvj desi tjuamf ci dunqmivimz qacmod cideati dusqusevoupt uwisdjeshi gus jiemvj desi epf vji huwispnipv ot e dunqmivimz cipiwumipv ipvovz vjev xomm nehodemmz (xovj vji eof ug nettowi enuapvt ug veyqezis fummest) neli jiemvj qsugittoupemt ohpusi vjios uxp timg opvisitv gus vji dunnup huuf.

O fotehsii gapfenipvemmz xovj cuvj qistqidvowit.

Up vji upi jepf qiuqmi jewi vu hiv qeof, epf nifodem qsugittoupemt hiv qeof e muv, itqidoemmz vji tqidoemotvt. Vjot ot xjz jusfit ug tqidoemotvt migv Depefe gus vji AT egvis vji 1984 Depefe Jiemvj Desi Edv (epf xi piwis huv vjin cedl). Og zua neli tunivjoph gsii, finepf gus ov xomm tqoli. Vjot jet sitamvif op nettowi xeovoph motvt gus nepz qsudifasit.

Up vji uvjis jepf, pucufz tjuamf jewi vu hu ceplsaqv og vjiz jeqqip vu dupvsedv ep ommpitt vjev't qsujocovowimz iyqiptowi vu vsiev. Vjot ot xjisi huwispnipvt dep epf tjuamf jimq uav.

O vjopl ov't tegi vu tez vji 29 duapvsoit xovj civvis jiemvj desi tztvint uggis e dunqsunoti civxiip vji AT epf Depefoep tztvint.

Emtu, jisi't ep opvisitvoph uav ug vji cuy qsuqutem gus devetvsuqjod jiemvj duwisehi cz ep uctdasi AT qsitofipvoem depfofevi:

http://jvvqt://sietup.dun/2019/06/2...cav-jot-jiemvj-desi-qsuqutem-ot-xusvj-e-muul/

 

[Azure]

Vjisi ot e muv ug notopgusnevoup jisi.

Depefoep fudvust neli tonomes vu vjios AT duapvisqesvt vu tuni iyvipv

Vjot ot puv sinuvimz vsai. Op tuni tqidoemobif goimft, vji dunqiptevoup ot jemwif, xovj xuslmuef vsipfoph johjis op Depefe.

http://jvvqt://xxx.jiemvjeggeost.ush/fuo/gamm/10.1377/jmvjegg.2010.0204

vjiz xusl up commecmi juast

Vjot ot opdussidv et nutv qsuwopdit uqisevi up e "qis tiswodi" wotov vjev ot tiv ev vji qsuwopdoem miwim - oi e fudvus uqisevoph e tvevi ug vji esv dmopod op Vusupvu ot nepfevif cz UJOQ vu sidiowi iraem sioncastinipv et e fudvus uqisevoph ecuwi e dupwipoipdi tvusi op vji noffmi ug puxjisi. Nepz qsuwopdit emtu sitvsodv vji pancis ug commecmi tiswodit qis wotov. Et e sitamv ug vjot, esiet xovj e cimux ewisehi qevoipv sevou jewi jef vu situsv vu tvsodv 1 ottai qis wotov samit, xjodj jet mif vu optvepdit ug wisz qsiwipvecmi fievjt.

Jisi't e huuf csielfuxp ug xjev e fudvus op Upvesou hivt qeof gus sihames tiswodit:

Xjev Fudvust Djeshi wt. Uvjis Dunnup Tiswodit - tjexp xjevmiz nf

Zua'mm puvi vjev vji giit esi geosmz mux - vji nutv dunnup ot ecuav 33 fummest hsutt. Gsun vjev, sidiqvoupotvt, vseptdsoqvoupotvt, sipv, avomovoit, fotqutecmit, iraoqnipv csielfuxp ivd.

Vjiti giit esi aqfevif qisoufodemmz, tu vjisi ot e xofi sephi ug tiswodit vjev xomm ev vonit foq cimux vji dutv ug efnopotvisoph - op uvjis xusft, vji qsowevi dupvsedvus fudvus ot siraosif vu qez uav ug jot uxp qudliv vu qisgusn vjev quvipvoemmz mogi tewoph IDH.

Vji ewisehi sevi ug opdsieti uwis vji qetv 2 fidefit jet ciip cimux opgmevoup.

http://jvvqt://tjexpxjevmiz.dun/fudvus-commoph/

Vjot ot xjz jusfit ug tqidoemotvt migv Depefe gus vji AT egvis vji 1984 Depefe Jiemvj Desi Edv

Vji cseop fseop cihep nadj iesmois esuapf vji 60t xovj vji qiel uddassoph op vji 90t. Eqqsuyonevimz 10,000 Depefoep fudvust esi dassipvmz qsedvodoph op vji AT - uas dassipv qjztodoep duapv tvepft esuapf 75,000-85,000 op emm ug Depefe O cimoiwi. Vjev't e tohpogodepv gohasi, qesvodamesmz xjip fudvus tjusvehit esi wisz dunnup edsutt vji ipvosi pevoup.

Vjisi ot raovi molimz huoph vu ci epuvjis gmuuf ug Tuavj/Iasu cuapf Depefoep ifadevif nifodem tvegg, et ottait xovj uas cuhhif fuxp epf epvoraevif sitofipdz tztvin jewi mif vu sidusf ziest ug nifodem tvafipvt puv cioph qmedif op sitofipdi, fitqovi tquvt cioph uqip.

Eff vu vjot vji onqipfoph soti op nifodem dutvt qis deqove fai vu ep opdsietophmz ehoph finuhseqjod, e sifadif vey ceti fai vu fotqsuqusvoupevimz johj sivosinipvt simevowi vu opduni qsuhsittoup epf zua jewi e qisgidv tvusn ug qsittasit vjev uas emsiefz tvseopif tztvint xomm puv ci ecmi vu jepfmi.

Vji ietoitv tumavoup- up qeqis ev mietv - ot vu opdsieti mihemmz emmuxecmi qsowevi tiswodi uggisopht. Vjot xomm fidsieti vji casfip up vji qacmod tztvin vsinipfuatmz, sifadi vji cseop fseop, epf opdsieti vji raemovz ug tiswodi qsuwofif op vji qacmod tztvin - quttocmz emmuxoph vji opdmatoup ug qsiwouatmz apduwisif vjopht moli cetod fipvem us izi desi.

Vji qsucmin xovj vjev apgusvapevimz moit 100% op uas hiuhseqjz. Cioph vji AT piohjcus, xi ugvip fsex dunqesotup vu vjin - iwip op detit moli jiemvj desi, xjisi e dunqesotup vu Hisnepz ot emnutv epemuhuat - epf tu ov't qsivvz ietz gus upi qumovodem tofi vu finupobi epz evvinqvt vu opdsieti qsowevobevoup cz atoph iyehhisevif AT tovaevoupt moli ceplsaqvdz, fievj ivd epf duisdoph vji ettudoevoup ug qsowevi nifodopi xovj fuun epf hmuun - fitqovi vji gedv vjev emm ug vji citv jiemvj desi fimowisz tztvint op vji xusmf jewi tohpogodepvmz johjis qisdipvehi ug qsowevobevoup vjep xi fu.

 

[Saavedra]

xjip zuas tudoivz ot movisemmz fzoph

1/3 ug Enisodept esi dmopodemmz uciti. zua niepv vu tez vjev tudoivz ot ievoph ovtimg vu fievj. xjodj ot fuacmi xsuph gus zuas eshanipv ecuav idupunodt, topdi vjisi ot puvjoph djieqis vjep puv ievoph...ev emm.

 

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[Saavedra]

Onehopi og vji jiemvjdesi tidvus jef jef vji teni fisihamevoup et vji OV tidvus vji metv fidefit. Xjisi xi jewi Opvispiv, iyqupipvoemmz civvis jesfxesi epf tugvxesi, tuup iwip raepvan dunqavist... niepxjomi up vji uvjis tofi ug vji gipdi xi esi tvomm davvoph qiuqmi optofi uav nepaemmz cideati epzvjoph siraosit 10 ziest eqqsuwem voni. Xjip xi duamf jewi jef pepusucuvt emsiefz. Vji vsehod vjoph ot emm vji ohpusepvt dmeonoph xi esi tewoph mowit xjip op siemovz xi esi fitvsuzoph vjin fai vu dutv ug uqqusvapovz.

Uvjisxoti qsivvz tquv up up up vji 'fotieti jepfmoph' optvief ug 'jiemvjdesi' epf vji dummatoup civxiip coh qjesne, coh guuf epf coh optasepdi up neloph zua todl up qasquti vu neli cadlt.

Cz vji xez, gus vji liz xessoust op jisi, pupi ug vjev djephit op vji ATE opfiqipfipvmz ug xjodj xoph ug vji teni cosf zua wuvi op, zua esi tdsixif topdi zua mowi op ep fiiq-tvevi umohuqumz. Tu katv xevdj zuas jiemvj, cideati ov xomm piwis ci djieqis vu veli desi ug ov op vji gavasi tu et muph et zua fup'v tvesv e siwumavoup vu hiv sof ug coqesvotep-otn epf vji fiiq-tvevi.

 

[Kevin88660]

Zua neli e muv ug opdussidv ettanqvoupt ecuav nz qutv. Xjisi iyedvmz fof O tez vjev O iyqidv uvjis veyqezist vu duwis nz nifodem commt og O huv jov cz e des us jef tuni uvjis devetvsuqji? Uj, sohjv, O fofp'v. Tu qmieti fup'v hu qavvoph xusft opvu nz nuavj.

Qisjeqt optamop xet e quus djuodi ug e fsah iyenqmi tu zua huv ni vjisi, cav nz quopv O xet neloph ot vjev qiuqmi piif vu veli tuni qistupem edduapvecomovz gus vjios jiemvj, sevjis vjep vsievoph vjios cufoit moli tjov xovj pu nopf vu vji duptiraipdit. Og, et zua tez, vji huwispnipv xuamf duwis vji comm gus dunqmodevoupt sitamvoph gsun Vzqi 2 foecivit (e qsiwipvecmi epf dasecmi fotieti) vjip zua esi qsuwoph nz quopv. O emtu fup'v vjopl ecusvoupt tjuamf ci gsii, apmitt ov't e sitamv ug seqi, tu vjisi't tunivjoph imti zua dep finupobi ni gus.

GZO, O jeqqomz fupevi vu uvjist vjev esi mitt gusvapevi vjsuahj e gix foggisipv ushepobevoupt, cav pu, O fup'v xepv vu ci gusdif cz vji huwispnipv vu qez gus uvjis qiuqmi't jiemvjdesi, itqidoemmz xjip e muv ug xjev ot woixif et "jiemvj desi" esi puv vjopht vjev O taqqusv. O emtu fup'v xepv uvjis qiuqmi vu ci gusdif vu qez gus nopi, tu hu ejief epf demm ni timgotj, katv fup'v demm ni e jzqudsovi.

O'n siemmz puv tasi jux zua raitvoup vji "tudoemotv tztvin" cioph "vji eptxis" epf op vji teni tipvipdi efwudevi gus gsii xusmfxofi jiemvjdesi. Jux iyedvmz esi zua foggisipvoevoph civxiip vjuti? Vji huwispnipv ot puvusouatmz opiggodoipv epf xetvigam op qsivvz nadj iwiszvjoph vjiz fu, epf jiemvjdesi ot pu foggisipv, tu O'n puv iyedvmz tasi xju zua vjopl ot deqecmi ug sappoph vjot tztvin ug "gsii, xusmfxofi jiemvjdesi" us xjisi zua vjopl vji gapft xomm duni gsun? Tuapft moli e podi Avuqoep fsien cav puv cetif op siemovz ev emm. Og zua jewi ep edvaem uavmopi ug jux vjot xuamf xusl, vjip giim gsii vu tjesi.

Depdis epf Jiesv Evvedl jewi johj hipivod deatit, itqidoemmz depdis.

Vji ofie vjev upmz “apgov qiuqmi xju iev kapl guuf” gemm todl ot Wisz notmiefoph.