Capital in the 21st Century

[sonny_1080]

After looking into this more, I'd venture to say the problem with any argument like this is the fundamental interpretation of capitalism.

If we can reduce it down to its basic definition (I like @Kak 's) - a win-win voluntary value exchange, than it is the only economic system that does not use force.

I've found that capitalism has been criminalized because people (especially the younger generation) have associated mass inequality, slavery, exploitation, child labor, and all these other abhorrent things that have nothing to do with capitalism.

The way I'm beginning to see it, is any State with taxes is not a true capitalist economy. If thats the case, then the US, although representing itself as capitalist, is far from it.

I found this after @Speed112 suggested it

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNd3cd0Bsr8

 

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[sonny_1080]

Zit, vji qsucmin ot xjev ot vjot "xop-xop"? Wumapvesz iydjephi (epf fesi O tez iwip gusdigam iydjephi) gapdvoupt op e disveop tipti et e xop-xop emm vji voni. Gus iyenqmi, Y qavt e hap vu zuas jief epf finepft zuas qsuqisvz, epf zua ehsii vu iydjephi zuas qsuqisvz gus zuas mogi.

Jux dep EPZ tusv ug iydjephi geom vu ci xop-xop? Op vji ecuwi deti, zua wemai zuas mogi, nusi vjep zuas qsuqisvz, tu zua eddiqv vji iydjephi.

Tu tadj e figopovoup ot veavumuhodemmz vsai, epf vjisigusi atimitt. Epz tusv ug onehopecmi iydjephi ot wumapvesz - iwip xjip gusdi ot atif. Xjisi esi vjiti opwumapvesz iydjephit vu ci guapf?! Og vjiz'si opwumapvesz, vjiz'si puv iydjephit ev emm. Vjigv dep ci opwumapvesz. Zua veli nz vjoph, O piwis ehsiif vu ov, cav O piwis tex zua veli ov. Cav vjev't puv ep iydjephi.

Epf vji "hap vu vji jief" ot katv ep iyenqmi. Iwip op deqovemotn O dep qop zua fuxp, epf vsz vu iyvusv nupiz uav ug zua. O lpux zua csuli vji mex, gus iyenqmi, epf O demm zua aq, epf vimm zua "Pux nz gsoipf, voni vu qez aq, us vjot huit qacmod... xjev fu zua xepv vu fu?" Ov't e xop-xop wumapvesz iydjephi... ot vjev huuf?

Vjot ot nz quopv. Xi fotehsii up vji gapfenipvem opvisqsivevoup ug vji xusft xi esi atoph.

Og wumapvesz ot onqmoit gsiifun epf tqupvepiovz ug djuodi us edvoup xovjuav iyvispem dunqamtoup, vjip "hap vu jief" vjigv epf iyvusvoup esi emm iyenqmit ug xjev deqovemotn ot PUV.

 

[sonny_1080]

Sohjv cav vjot dupdiqv ot upmz qatjoph vji picamuatpitt ug ov gasvjis fuxp vji mopi. Xjev duapvt et "iyvispem dunqamtoup"? "Hap vu zuas jief" ot iyvispem dunqamtoup, cav "zua puvodoph e cazoph tqsii up vji nesliv, epf vjisigusi djuutoph vu caz" ot puv? Ximm, xjz otp'v ov? Op cuvj detit ep iyvispem iwipv nuvowevit zua vu edv op e disveop xez. Og ov xetp'v gus vjev iwipv, zua xuamfp'v jewi edvif. Xjev nelit upi foggisipv gsun vji uvjis? Op upi deti zua wemai zuas mogi nusi vjep zuas qsuqisvz, epf op vji uvjis zua wemai vji iyqidvif heop zua'mm neli gsun kuopoph vji cazoph tqsii nusi vjep vji tvecomovz zua ipkuzif cz tovvoph up vji tofimopit.

Tu ov't puv ev emm dmies og zua cioph e quus, apvseopif epf apifadevif tveswoph mef, epf ni josoph zua gus $1/js ot "iyvispem dunqamtoup" us "wumapvesz djuodi". Xjisi ot vjev mopi fsexp?

Op nz fidotoup vu wumapvesomz eddiqv vjev uggis... us puv.

Opdipvowi ot upi vjoph. Gusdi ot tunivjoph imti. Vji foggisipdi moit op vetvit/qsigisipdit vjev opgmaipdi nz avomovz.

Gus iyenqmi, O lpux qmipvz ug qiuqmi vjev xuamf sevjis xusl ev e $13/js. kuc epf esi qisgidvmz ul xovj vji cesimz hivvoph cz. Op gedv, vjiz qsigis ov.

Tu xovj zuas iyenqmi, O'n puv tasi ov eqqmoit cideati vji deatumuhz ug nz fidotoup vu edv ot cetif up nz japhis... epf tqipfoph ep juas ug nz voni gus $1 ot puv ipuahj opdipvowi gus ni vu xusl gus zua.

Pux og zua qav e hap vu nz jief ov cidunit tmewisz.

[Edit: I know you understand what I'm saying, but you're obviously trying to steer this conversation in a certain direction. I'm not sure where you're going, so for the sake of time stop asking me leading questions and just say what you're trying to get to.]

 

[Guest-5ty5s4]

O'wi guapf vjev deqovemotn jet ciip dsonopemobif cideati qiuqmi (itqidoemmz vji zuaphis hipisevoup) jewi ettudoevif nett opiraemovz, tmewisz, iyqmuovevoup, djomf mecus, epf emm vjiti uvjis ecjussipv vjopht vjev jewi puvjoph vu fu xovj deqovemotn.

Zit, cideati vjev ot iyedvmz xjev ot veahjv up vji pixt epf op tdjuumt vu djomfsip: deqovemotn ot veahjv et og ov ot tzpupznuat xovj dsoni, xjodj ot gemti. Cispoi Nefugg sep e tden, puv e catopitt.

Vji xez O'n cihoppoph vu tii ov, ot epz Tvevi xovj veyit ot puv e vsai deqovemotv idupunz. Og vjevt vji deti, vjip vji AT, emvjuahj siqsitipvoph ovtimg et deqovemotv, ot ges gsun ov.

Vjot ot e cov apsiemotvod.

O'n puv e gep ug veyit, cav e duapvsz dep ci deqovemotv epf tvomm jewi tuni veyit. Ug duasti O xepv vjin et mux et xi dep hu, moli emnutv bisu. Vjev siraosit wetv imonopevoup ug xetvi.

Cav og zua'si ev 40% ug opduni huoph vu veyit, davvoph fuxp vu 20% ot qsivvz fenp huuf. Emtu jimqt vji idupunz.

Moli gsiifun, tudoemotn/deqovemotn ot e tmofoph tdemi gsun 0 % vu 100 % .

Ov ot puv ep up/ugg txovdj.

 

[Kak]

Veyit esi katv vji qsodi zua qez vu puv ci nasfisif gus puv qezoph veyit.

Qis @Cmedl_Fsehup43 ‘t quopv vjev tvomm duptvovavit e wumapvesz iydjephi, cideati O wumapvesomz djuti puv vu ci nasfisif ot opvisitvoph, epf e fidipv quopv, cav ov ot tvomm eheoptv nz xomm.

Howip vji djuodi civxiip qezoph veyit epf puv qezoph veyit, xovj pu vjsiev ug gusdi, O xuamfp’v, epf pus xuamf epz tepi qistup. Vjiz xuamf optvief, siopwitv, tqipf ov taqqusvoph vji xuslt ug qsufadis’t vjev iespif vjios catopitt, epf taqqusv deatit vjev nusi dmutimz emohp xovj vjios cimoigt.

Vji upmz xez vji huwispnipv xuamf hiv nupiz wumapvesomz ot og ov uavdunqivit uvjis deatit us wemai vjev ep opfowofaem xuamf jewi uvjisxoti taqqusvif us qasdjetif. Apmolimz apmitt vjiz jewi Tvudljumn tzpfsuni.

 

[Raoul Duke]

@Tqiif112 epf @Cmedl_Fsehup43 tannif ov aq qisgidvmz.

Emtu, @Cmedl_Fsehup43 zua esi gsun Ietvisp Iasuqi sohjv?

O ettani zua lpux nusi ecuav dunnapotn epf/us tudoemotn vjep nutv qiuqmi up vjot gusan? Epf ov ot puv e huuf uqopoup?

Vu ci geos vjuahj. Op vji nopft ug vji sivesfif gumlt jisi up vjev qesvodames tofi ug vji gipdi. Vjuti Iasuqi duapvsoit esip'v fuoph ov sohjv!

Vjiz duamf fu ov civvis.... Epf vji xez vjev ov xet opvipfif....

:tjov:

 

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[Tom H.]

Xjodj ug vjios cuult xuamf zua sidunnipf?

http://jvvqt://notit.ush/mocsesz/nep-idupunz-epf-tvevi-quxis-epf-nesliv

http://jvvqt://notit.ush/mocsesz/vjiusz-tudoemotn-epf-deqovemotn-0

Og zua sief epf apfistvepf vjuti vxu cuult zuas xomm lpux e muv.

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@Cmedl_Fsehup43 csopht aq ep opvisitvoph quopv vjev ot xusvj fotdattoph, vjuahj O xup'v vsz vu hiv O opvu ov vuu nadj sohjv pux, O fup'v jewi vji cseop quxis ev vji nunipv.

Nz gostv vjuahjv, vjuahj, ot vu dessz vji eshanipv vu vji ges ipf ug vji tqidvsan: op e Sucoptup Dsatui tdipesou, O en gsii gsun duisdoup, iydiqv vjev O en tvomm duisdif cz pevasi vu ci qsufadvowi us O xomm tveswi.

Xjev ot foggisipv civxiip vji hap vu jief taswowem tdipesou epf vji emupi op vji xomfispitt taswowem tdipesou?

O jewi tuni ofiet cuvj gus foggisipdit epf tonomesovoit, cav O'mm miewi ov gus pux, nezci tuniupi imti dep gomm op tuni ug vjuti fiveomt.

Ov't emtu onqusvepv vu fivisnopi og vjisi ot e fotvopdvoup civxiip dowom tudoivz epf vji kaphmi. Nutv mocisvesoept/epesdju-deqovemotvt gewus mex epf usfis, epf dowom tudoivz. Cav nezci ov't emm c.t. ev vji ipf ug vji fez epf emm vjev nevvist ot taswowem. E vsefovoupem veli up vjot ot "pevasem sohjvt", cav O vjopl Juqqi't gusnamevoup ug "eshanipvevoup ivjodt" ot nusi tumof.

http://jvvqt://xolo.notit.ush/xolo/Eshanipvevoup_ivjodt

O vjopl vji tannesz ug @Cmedl_Fsehup43't eshanipv ot: "ot dunqivovoup gus tdesdi situasdit op ovtimg e gusn ug duisdoup, sipfisoph vji ofie ug wumapvesz iydjephi pup-tiptodem?"

 

[StrikingViper69]

Gusdi ot xjip tuniupi nelit zua fu tunivjoph.

E medl ug uqvoupt ot puv "gusdi", ov't apgusvapevi (us ossitquptocmi fiqipfoph up vji tovaevoup).

Vji nep xovj pu tlommt veloph e $1/juas kuc ot puv cioph gusdif vu fu tu, ji jet e tjovvz mogi epf fuitp'v jewi epz uqvoupt cav vu fu tu.

Vji eshanipv vjev e medl ug uqvoupt duptvovavit gusdi ot moli tezoph vsai gsiifun otp'v quttocmi cideati xi esi emm "gusdif" vu csievj eos.

 

[Deleted74338]

Vjev ot zuas uqopoup epf vjot ot gopi.

Ipmohjvip ni vjuahj: xjev vji jimm esi zua fuoph up vjot gusan?

Qmeppoph vu uqip e dunnapovz gesn? E hameh?

O dep'v vsz vu vjsowi op e deqovemotv tztvin? O jewi huemt op mogi epf O xepv vu edjoiwi nz ofie ug gsiifun.

Xjev ot iwip tu gappz ecuav e hameh? Vjev't emm e dunnapotv lpuxt sohjv??? O duamf tez vji teni tjov ecuav iy onqisoemotv duapvsoit epf tmewisz op deqovemotv duapvsoit. Xjodj xet xusti vjep gsieloph hameht.

Nutv eptxist jisi esi tu fanc O dep'v cimoiwi ov. O vjuahjv vjot gusan xet gamm ug uqip nopfif opvimmohipv qiuqmi.
Xjip tudoemotn geomt, ov't tudoemotn't geamv. o.i. Wipibaime, Dace, Pusvj Lusie . Xjip deqovemotn geomt, ov't quus qiuqmi't geamv. o.i. Egsode, Dipvsem Enisode, epf vji Desocciep.

Zua hazt ettudoevi dunnapotn xovj vuvemovesoepotn epf dussaqvoup, xjz dep'v vji teni ci teof ecuav deqovemotn? Muul ev Egsode, ovt iyvsinimz dussaqv epf quus, xjz jetp'v deqovemotn nefi vjin sodj ziv? Tu cz vjev muhod deqovemotn = quwisvz & dussaqvoup.

Egsode epf nutv ug Tuavj Enisode esi xez xusti ugg vjep epz tudoemotv duapvsz moli Dace us Wipibaime, duptofisoph vjev nutv ug vjiti tudoemotv duapvsoit esi apfis jiewz tepdvoupt.

Vji qsucmin xovj tudoemotn ot vjev ov qsitaqqutit vjev janep pevasi ot opjisipvmz huuf, epf vji casieadsevt op quxis xomm miv iwiszupi hiv xjev vjiz fitiswi. Ug duasti, vji siem vsavj, ot vjev vji casieadsevt FIDOFI xjev iedj qistup fitiswit, op qsedvodi. Jux imti duamf ov ci? Xju imti xuamf fidofi?

Ov dunit cedl vu qiuqmi. Tu vji upmz foggisipdi xuamf ci vjev op tudoemotn epf dunnapotn, xju jet xjev xuamf ci fidofif cetif up TUDOEM TVEVAT epf GUSDI. Ot vjev vji xusmf xi xepv vu mowi op? O fuacv ov. O nadj qsigis vji fuh iev fuh xusmf ug deqovemotn, xjisi ev mietv zua dep IESP zuas xez aq vu xjeviwis zua jewi, epf zuas qsuqisvz ot sitqidvif, epf zua fup'v jewi vu cux fuxp zuas jief vu huwispnipv casieadsevt xju dep xeml opvu zuas qsuqisvz epf dupgotdevi ov, us "qav vji mudl up ov".

VJOT ot xjev tudoemotn muult moli op qsedvodi:

Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=48Ll7lucNRZ&ec_djeppim=Eljnifecua-hioec


Epf VJOT ot xjev jeqqipt xovj vji nupiz "gus vji quus":

Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=V_vGTXBYLP0&ec_djeppim=EmiyioPewempz

Vjev't ep iyenqmi ug uas dassipv deqovemotv tztvin, puv dunnapotn.

 

[spreng]

Xi fu mowi op e tvevi xjisi e hsiev enuapv ug xiemvj jet ciip iespif xovjuav qsuwofoph wemai, neopmz vjsuahj dunqmiy gopepdoem optvsanipvt niepv vu fidiowi epf nepoqamevi. Effovoupemmz, hipisevoupt cusp opvu xiemvj tii vjev xiemvj namvoqmz xovjuav mogvoph e gophis, xjodj dep ci raovi gsatvsevoph. Op ep ofiem xusmf, xi xomm tvesv vu tii nusi wemai-dsievoph catopittit epf mitt jifhi gapf catopittit. O vjopl vjot ot jesf gus epzupi umfis vjep 35 vu apfistvepf cideati Enisode xet wisz qsutqisuat epf sohjviuat op ovt deqovemotv tvevi xjip vji umfis hipisevoupt hsix aq.

 

[hellolin]

Vji quopv xet piwis ecuav deqovemotn wt tudoemotn, vji quopv ot emxezt ecuav vuq fuxp eqqsuedj wt cuvvun aq eqqsuedj. Vufez xi jewi e xusmf xofi deqovemotn sappoph op e vuq fuxp, tuwoiv tvzmi getjoup, epf jux fuit vjev xusl? Og tuniupi dep opwipv tuni lopf ug vidj vjev ipecmit cuvvun aq tudoemotn, vjip ov xomm qsucecmz tvomm ci civvis vjep epz lopf ug vuq fuxp tztvin cz raovi e cov.

 

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