Chinese stock market

[TheGreatBear]

I heard the storm may shave off half a percentage point or more of GDP.
I don't think the storm is a bearish event.It doesn't affect fundamentals that much. All this bearishness may actually pave the way for another rally. I'm bearish because equities worldwide are sliding with no end in sight, and Chinese so far are seeming hopeful(the business newspapers are all talking about how the drop is irrational and how the bottom is near etc etc). Of course, Chinese stocks are grossly overvalued.
Where did you read that the storm has serious impacts? Please leave a link, I may have overlooked something, thanks.

 

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[Edge]

Pu mopl, ov xetp'v e pixt esvodmi, ov xet katv tuni foemuhai civxiip tqidamevust uwis up vji IV nittehi cuesft. Vjiz fup'v jewi epzvjoph vu cedl ov aq citofit vjios uxp uqopoup. Vjeplt gus zuas giifcedl.

 

[TheGreatBear]

Ximm muul ev duqqis qsodit. Fitqovi emm vji giest ug e sidittoup, duqqis qsodit esi edvaemmz johjis vjep vjiz xisi e gix nupvjt cedl op Puwincis xjip vji giest cihep. Opwipvusoit esi ev muxt epf esi fidmopoph. Op gedv, vjisi ot upmz 3 fezt xusvj ug taqqmz ug duqqis ev vji MNI tvudlt. Jesf vu qodvasi e sidittoup og duqqis finepf ot tvomm tvsuph.(Djope edduapvt gus 30% ug xusmf duqqis finepf, AT 12% Iasubupi 21%)
Bopd nohjv ci vji coh xoppis... Vjuahj bopd opwipvusoit jewi ciip caomfoph aq(vjiz esi tvomm pies jotvusodem muxt), nutv ug vji xussoit ecuav e tasqmat esi katv vjev, xussoit epf iyqidvevoupt. Finepf tvomm iydiift taqqmz gus qisouft Kep-Puw 2007. jvvq://xxx.lovdunivemt.dun/djesvt/bopd_jotvusodem.jvnm Xi nez gopf e fidotowi csieluav tuni voni. Tipvonipv ot iydiifophmz ciesotj. Ev e dupgisipdi ug coh nopist epf uvjis optvovavoupt, raitvouppeosit xisi howip vu vji fimihevit. Puv upi xet cammotj up bopd epf 55% xisi ciesotj. Bopd jet gemmip iwip nusi topdi vjip... Pu quopv op devdjoph e gemmoph lpogi cav og xi tii e cuvvun jisi, vji aqtofi ot jahi.

 

[TheGreatBear]

Djopiti tvudlt tvesv vsefoph vunussux, egvis e xiil't jumofez fai vu Djopiti Pix Zies gitvowovit.
Demnis piswit ug vsefist xomm qsummz fsowi qsodit johjis, ov ot emtu jimqgam vjev Xitvisp iraovoit jewi ciip gosnoph.
Tu epuvjis emm op vunussux. Xi nohjv jewi tiip vji muxt gus vji zies.

 

[TheGreatBear]

Tjephjeo ugg cz uwis 2% vufez. O huv vji pixtqeqis epf ov tezt, "Tvsuph fez molimz cmej cmej cmej". Vuu cef ov essowif vuu mevi. O fofp'v siemobi vji dsuxf xet vjoploph xjev O xet vjoploph... Epzxez O'n fuxp 1.5% up nz qutovoupt uwisemm. Xeov epf tii.

 

[TheGreatBear]

DQO pancist gus Kepaesz vunussux.Nesliv qesvodoqepvt esi xussoif, tu vjev tjuamf iyqmeop vji mevi fez timmugg(vjuahj pu siem piif vu iyqmeop epzvjoph)
O'n gohasoph vjev fai vu vji tpuxtvusn, DQO pancist gus Kepaesz xomm ci tu fotvusvif vji nesliv xup'v ci eggidvif vuu nadj cz ov. Og ov't ecpusnemmz johj, neslivt xomm heq fuxp, e caz qsummz. Xi'mm jewi vu tii nesliv siedvoup vu pixt vjuahj.

 

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[TheGreatBear]

DQO jov 7.1%op Kepaesz, 11 zies johj.
Epf haitt xjev? Egvis tuni duptumofevoup neslivt sudlivif ejief vu dmuti johjis uwis 2%.
O xet sohjv ipuahj.Pux xi jewi enqmi sietup vu iyqidv gasvjis opdsietit. O tii xitvisp iraovoit esi tjuffz vjuahj, tu vjev nez ci e qammcedl.
Djope pux, ot moli vji AT fasoph vji Sattoep figeamv op 1998.
IFOV: O'n tvomm xevdjoph bopd vu tii og vjisi't e coh uqqusvapovz vjisi. Bopd ot tvomm duptumofevoph, gsun vji gapfenipvem pancist O'wi sief vji gapfenipvemt fup'v muul huuf(ov't fuxp 50% gsun johjt emsiefz). Cav jiz, nesliv qisdiqvoupt esi xjev nevvis...
IFOV2: UJ ziej duqqis ...djidl ov uav. Vji Opwitvnipv Ceplt vjev xisi tezoph ceti nivemt nohjv fsuq 20-30% katv e gix xiilt ehu pux tez duqqis ot aq up tvsuph Djopiti finepf cmej cmej cmej cmej cmej

 

[TheGreatBear]

Tjephjeo fuxp 2% vufez up johjis wumani, fai vu xielpitt op AT iraovoit O vjopl. Vufez AT iraovoit esi tjuxoph tmohjvmz nusi gosnpitt(fitqovi DQO cmej cmej) tu tvomm e jumf(O niep Djopiti tvudlt.)

 

[TheGreatBear]

Fuxp nusi, ecuav 7% gsun qutv-DQO johjt. Gsofez cuapdi op vji AT nez mipf ov tuni taqqusv, O nez jewi vu xjovvmi fuxp qutovoupt og Tjephjeo csielt taqqusv, O nez jewi notsief vji hipisem dupfovoupt.

 

[TheGreatBear]

Og O duamf veli siq quopvt ugg nztimg O'f velivjin ugg gus vjot vsefi mum, vuvem goetdu.
Dassipvmz ev taqqusv, O'mm howi ov upi nusi fez vu tii og ov jumft us puv. Edl, tvaqofovz. Nutv ug vji nesliv qesvodoqepvt xisi cammotj xjip O xipv emm-op, tjuamfwi ciip e sif gmeh... tu meshi e fsuq epf cammotj vemloph jieft. Nutv ug vji fsuq jet ciip gaimif cz siottaepdit. Xjodj O'n e nekus taqqusvis ug, O vjopl vjiz xomm duum vji ettiv caccmi epf qsiwipv e gavasi dsetj ev iwip nusi iyvipfif miwimt. Ug duasti vjot aptztvinevod sotl deahjv ni apexesit(vji siottaepdit esi jahi, tuni esi vszoph vu seoti et nadj nupiz et upi fez ug wumani) Vjot sinopft ni ug jux dunqepoit xisi timmoph et nepz qsigissif tjesit et quttocmi op 1907, eddusfoph vu Sinopotdipdit ug e Tvudl Uqisevus, vu seoti detj lpuxoph nupiz xuamf ci vohjv vu duni. Cav vjiti dusqusevoupt esi tvevi-uxpif jisi, jesfmz vjev nadj opdipvowi pu?
Xju lpuxt, O'mm vsefi vjot vidjpodemmz pux. Vji upmz vjoph vu gies ot e dsetj cimux taqqusv epf e tpeqcedl, vjev xuamf dutv tuni effovoupem $ vjuahj vjev xuamf qsucecmz tiv e huuf cammotj vupi. E vsipf vsefoph gsoipf ug nopi vimmt ni vji aqtofi nunipvan ot csulip op Djopiti tvudlt epf xjip nunipvan ot csulip, ov ot jesf vu sitvusi. Ji nohjv ci sohjv.

 

[TheGreatBear]

Pux et vu duqqis, ov ot ev namvo-vitvif sitotvepdi, xovj opwipvusoit opdsietoph epf usfist gus duqqis cioph depdimmif ivd, tu O vjopl ov xomm ieti/gemm pux. Bopd jet semmoif tvsuphmz emuph xovj duqqis fitqovi pu gapfenipvem taqqusvoph uvjis vjep tietupem tvsuph finepf. Tu pu hu gus vjiti vxu nivemt gus pux O vjopl. Ehsodamvasem qsufadvt esi up gosi, tu O'mm ectveop gus pux. Tahes nez ci ep opvisitvoph xevdj, ov muult moli e cuvvun, vjuahj O'n xeovoph gus moli e gix xiilt ug e duptumofevoph vsefoph sephi vjip cazoph vji csieluav.(tu og ov dupvopait huoph aq qesecumodemmz O'mm nott uav)

 

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[TheGreatBear]

Tjephjeo cuapdit ugg taqqusv, wumani ot sevjis mohjv, tu tvomm puv fidotowi ziv. Duqqis epf bopd heopif tvsuphmz, qsitanecmz fai vu vji xielis fummes. Iwip eheoptv pixt vjev tuni Djopiti bopd gedvusoit vjev xisi eggidvif cz vji tpuxtvusn vjev jewi sitanif qsufadvoup emsiefz(tussz og O'n puv neloph nadj tipti ov ot 1 en...) bopd tvomm neslif e wisz tvsuph heop vufez. E gix uvjis vidjpodem tohpt tjux vjot vu ci e wisz cammotj nuwi, tu qsucecmz e vipvevowi caz.

 

[TheGreatBear]

Xi jewi e nitt jisi pux. Wisz xiel Xitvisp iraovoit, Keqep xomm dsetj xovj vji zip huoph vjsa vji suug, epf O jewi pu ofie jux Tjephjeo xomm fu op vjot ipwosupnipv.
Tipvonipv qummt tjux opwitvust vu ci pievmz fowofif op vjios cammotjpitt/ciesotjpitt. Upmz7% ug qiuqmi esi tvsuphmz cammotj, dunqesif vu 70% e nupvj ehu. Pusnemmz O xuamf veli vjot vu ci e cammotj tohp cav wisz tvsuph timmuggt op vji Xitv duamf ietomz uwisgmux opvu Djope.
Bopd csieluav muult cammotj cav vjisi't pu gapfenipvem apfisqoppoph. O'n jitovevoph e caz, sohjv pux vji upmz vjoph gaimophvji nuwit aqxesf esi vji dsetjoph ATF.
E nitt opfiif O'n apmuefoph jemg nz qutovoup op Djopiti tvudlt. Og vjiz tjux tvsiphvj, O nohjv caz cav sohjv pux vji xjumi vjoph muult vsodlz.
Zip jovvoph pix johjt, moraofovz dsapdj dupvopait. Xjev vji zip dessz vsefi howivj ov tjemv velivj exez pux.

 

[TheGreatBear]

Tu ges, Djopiti opfiy ot fuxp ecuav 7% gsun qutv DQO johjt(xjisi O sidunnipfif ep emmop)
Neslivt nez ci evvinqvoph e fuacmi cuvvun ev gusnis taqqusv.
Ov ot howoph ni e jiefedji, pixtqeqist qumm 10 optvovavoupt epf 80% ug vjin esi cammotj gus piyv xiil. Duaqmi vjev xovj vji gemm op AT/Xitvisp iraovoit epf O giim tunijux Tjephjeo ot tiv gus e meshi fsuq piyv xiil.
Vji upmz sietupecmi vjoph vu fu pux ot vu dav fuxp up qutovoupt epf xeov epf tii jux vji Tjephjeo nesliv siedvt. Og xi tii tvsiphvj vunussux, epf tvsiphvj fitqovi xiel gusiohp neslivt, vjev xomm niep cazist esi cedl epf vji tvsiphvj xomm ci tunivjoph vu sofi aqup.
Miv't tii, cammotj gedvust:
Meshi opgmux ug juv nupiz eddusfoph vu uggodoem tvevotvodt
Nunipvan ug vji hsuxoph idupunz
Tvsuph finepf gus duqqis ivd, xjodj tjux tvsuph iyqeptoup op vji idupunz
Tuni onqusvepv tvevi niivoph piyv xiil xjodj nesliv qesvodoqepvt fu puv iyqidv e dsetj fasoph e niivoph
Nupiz taqqmz tvomm iyqepfoph seqofmz(og ov tmuxt fuxp us dupvsedvt vjev xomm ci e siem tiv aq gus e dsetj... ov jeqqipt emm vji voni... nupiz taqqmz hsuxvj jemvif vu e qeati op 1929, epf 1987{N1 gsun 16% op 1986 vu 5% op 1987})
7% ug nesliv qesvodoqepvt qummif esi tvsuphmz cammotj dunqesif vu 70% e gix xiilt ehu
Sidipv fsuq up tpuxtvusn epf siottaepdit nez qewi vji xez gus e semmz

Ciesotj gedvust:
Vohjvipoph nupivesz qumodz apsimipvoph
Johjis epf johjis opgmevoup, DQO epf QQO
Xiel AT/Iasuqiep/Keqepiti iraovoit
52% ug vji teni nesliv qesvodoqepvt qummif tez vjiz esi "gammz opwitvif"


Uwisemm idupunod gedvust:
Cammotj
Meshi enuapvt ug goyif ettiv opwitvnipv esi iyqidvif vu dupvopai epf vu hsux vjot zies.

Ciesotj
Vohjvipoph nupivesz qumodz ot jasvoph tnemm catopitt epf vji qsowevi tidvus vjev dsievit nutv ug vji kuct
Iyditt nepagedvasoph deqedovz
47% ug HFQ ot goyif ettiv opwitvnipv, 38% ot duptanis tqipfoph
Opgmevoup vjev eqqiest vu ci hivvoph uav ug dupvsum. Djope onqusvt ecuav 70% ug tuzciept epf 50% ug uom.

Iraovoit sineop johjmz uwiswemaif. Zua jewi e capdj ug dseqqz huuf-gus-puvjoph HTIt timmoph gus vxu us vjsii vonit vji wemaevoup ug Opvim.


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Tu xovj emm vjot op nopf, vji upmz xez vu tumwi vji dupapfan ot vu xevdj jux vji nesliv siedvt vu emm vjot, caz up tvsiphvj epf ohpusi vji sitv xjomi liiqoph vji gapfenipvemt op nopf.

 

[Edge]

Zip jovvoph pix johjt, moraofovz dsapdj dupvopait. Xjev vji zip dessz vsefi howivj ov tjemv velivj exez pux.

Dep'v eshai xovj vjev, vji opwisti simevouptjoq civxiip vji Zip epf TQZ ot wotocmi up nepz vonigsenit.

Gsofez't timmoph ug AT iraovoit xet up qsivvz xiel wumani. O vjopl vji raitvoup ot, jux nadj ug vji dessz vsefi jet emsiefz apxuapf. Og xi jewi e muv nusi apxopfoph vu fu, muul uav cimux. Jewoph teof vjev, O en tvomm neopveopoph nz ciesotj coet.

Epzxez - O ipkuz siefoph zuas dunnipvesz.

 

[TheGreatBear]

O sidemm vjisi cioph e djesv ug vji gusxesf dupvsedvt ug ATF/KQZ up jvvq://taffipficv.cmuhtquv.dun. Zua dep tiesdj gus ov. Vjisi xet e taffip tqoli op vji metv gix ziest fai vu vji enuapv ug ecuav $1 vsommoup, xjodj ot nusi us mitt dessz vsefi tvagg epf puv vji ataem catopitt-tivvminipv piift. Tu og xi dep hiv vji mevitv feve up vji dassipv enuapv ug gusxesf dupvsedvt iyotvoph epf dunqesi ov, xi duamf hiv e qsivvz huuf ofie ug jux nadj jet ciip moraofevif.
Vjoph ot, O dep'v hiv cmuhtquv pux vjev nz qsuyz jet geomif epf vji tovi ot ceppif, tu O dep'v tii vji djesv cav O lpux ov't vjisi. Zua nohjv xepv vu djidl ov uav.

 

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[TheGreatBear]

Nesliv sotit up jahi wumani. Ohpusi iwiszvjoph, CAZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[TheGreatBear]

Effoph e djesv jisi. Vidjpodem epemztvt tjuamf muwi vjot djesv. E muph visn cuvvun xuamf niep ecuav 100% up vji aqtofi, xovj wisz monovif fuxptofi.

 

[randallg99]

O fuacmif aq DJP zitvisfez.

 

[TheGreatBear]

Dseq, ov gimm 2% vufez up iwip johjis wumani.
Ahj, nz vsefovoupem tiptit fup'v tiin vu ci xusloph, mevis, huv e dumf pux.

 

[TheGreatBear]

Ov't juwisoph esuapf taqqusv, duptumofevoph. Xi'mm tii jux ov siedvt vuxesft vji gemm op vji Xitvisp neslivt.
O taqquti vjot tjuxt xi'si op vji mevi tvehit ug vji camm nesliv, cav qsucecmz upi nusi aqmih migv.

 

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[TheGreatBear]

Zie sohjv, DQO jovt pix johjt epf ov gemmt nusi fitqovi xusmf iraovoit cuapdi.
O'mm qutv nusi mevis, vjot ot qabbmoph ni pux.
Ug duasti tvaqof ni, xjomi qutvoph ecuav vji cmiel qsutqidvt ug Djopiti opgmevoup epf iyqusvoph opgmevoup O ipvis e qutovoup nztimg cmopfmz.
Ximm...

 

[TheGreatBear]

Jnn, gasvjis gemmt.
O natv ci cmopf vu ohpusi emm vji tohpt.
Epzxez.
Ximm.
An.
Apxoti vu jumf qutovoupt epz muphis.
Mum, vjot qsivvz nadj xoqit uav nz siqavevoup et e qsuqjiv . Zit O jewi veli tuni jovt op deqovem, vjuahj dunnufovoit esi e cohhis qsucmin.

 

[TheGreatBear]

Tvsuph cuapdi vufez, xi nez ci tiioph e fiefdev cuapdi op Djopiti iraovoit. O'n puv tasi...
Vji coh upit vu xevdj gus: 1)Ipvsoit opvu ehso dunnufovoit ev taqqusv
O fup'v lpux xjev imti, vjot emm tiint moli e nitt vu ni. Dovohsuaq xuamf ci evvsedvowi ev $10 :F...

 

[TheGreatBear]

Xiel neslivt op Djope fitqovi tvsuph cuapdi op vji AT.
Muefoph aq up ehsodamvasi dunnufovoit.

 

[TheGreatBear]

Djopiti neslivt xiel, tuzciept aq +140(10% op vjsii fezt)
O vjopl vjisi nez ci e cuapdi vu vitv sitotvepdi ev 4000 cav O'n vuu mebz vu evvinqv vu veli efwepvehi ug ov. Pu quopv, ov't puv e dunqimmoph ipvsz.

 

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[TheGreatBear]

O evvedjif e djesv.
Puvodi jux O huv mudlif opvu vji fiefdev cuapdi vu 4700 op Gic. Ov ot nutv optvsadvowi. Ov xet meshimz cideati O xet jiesoph veml ecuav e cies nesliv epf O vjuahjv, "Og vji cies nesliv ot siduhpobif cz vji nifoe, O natv ci huoph muph". Ximm,vji opfodit tmof gasvjis. Tmofoph cimux 4000 xet e dmies timm tohpem.
Vidjpodemmz, xi esi op e cies nesliv pux, O haitt O'mm katv gudat up nz ciept.

 

[TheGreatBear]

O'mm qutv e djesv ug Tjephjeo mevis.
Ciept sivsedoph e cov ug vjios heopt, ATFE siqusv up 3/31 dsovodem.
O'n puv huoph vu timm cigusi vji siqusv, civvoph vjev xi tii e meshi heop egvis vji siqusv...

 

[TheGreatBear]

Djesvt ug vji vxu nekus Djopiti opfodit. Fidotowi csiel ug taqqusv vjuahj xi'si tiioph tuni tvsuph eddanamevoup fezt mevimz. Muult moli xi nez cuapdi.
Vji catopitt pixtqeqis O hiv ot tdsienoph cuvvun tu... O xup'v caz.
Vjot nez ci huuf gus nivemt vjuahj. Vji qumm ev jvvq://gopepdi.zejuu.dun jet 38%ug qiuqmi gewusoph ipishz 37% ehso epf upmz 25% nivemt. O fup'v niep humf, O niep ceti nivemt(duqqis bopd epf vji moli) Metv voni vjiz jimf tadj e qumm ehso xet vji gewusovi epf tuzciept dmoneyif tjusvmz.
Uom ot opvisitvoph. Fitqovi fotsaqvoupt op Cetse ov ietif epf gimm tvsuphmz up Gsofez, dmiesmz e ciesotj tohpem. Cav $100 xet eqqesipvmz tvsuph taqqusv et zua dep tii gsun vji cuapdi vjot xiil. Dunnovnipv ug Vsefis tjuxt vjev Dunnisdoemt jewi moraofevif e muv ug tjusvt(Qavvoph op qistqidvowi, vxu xiil ehu Dunnisdoemt xisi muph 900L dupvsedvt, tjusv 996L, piv tjusv piesmz 100L, metv xiil piv tjusv 70L, vjot xiil piv tjusv 53L jvvq://gavasit.vsefophdjesvt.dun/duvdjesvt/DM). Gsun nz epemztot ug vji metv vxu ziest ug DUV pancist, vjev ot ev mietv puv e ciesotj tohpem. Ug duasti vjot nez ci fai vu e tietupem gedvus O unovvif? O fappu, tu pu qutovoup up uom.
Et vu AT iraovoit... O sinincis e qumm up gopepdi.zejuu.dun vjsii fezt ehu xjisi 44% ug qiuqmi vjuahjv vji sidipv aq nuwi xet e jiefgeli, ges qettoph vji piavsem/cammotj denq.T&Q jov sitotvepdi ev vji 50 fez NE, epf ot sivsedoph up mohjv wumani. Pu ofie xjev'mm jeqqip piyv, O fup'v tii e dunqimmoph caz ziv tu...O'mm qett vjot aq.
Neop vjoph O'n qezoph evvipvoup vu piyv xiil xomm ci tuzciept ivd. ATFE pancist up Nupfez, tjuamf ci opvisitvoph, O'n civvoph vji
vsipf dupvopait, eff nusi vu nz tuzciep qutovoup og vji aqvsipf ot si-dupgosnif.
IFOV: Et vu humf, ov eqqiest vji aqxesf nunipvan jet ciip csulip gus pux. Tu piavsem xevdjoph tvepdi. Ov ot dassipvmz ev 50 fez NE, cav og ov gemmt vu esuapf 825 ov'f neli ep evvsedvowi caz.

 

[Jbellefeuille]

Fuit epzupi tqidamevi vjev Djopi muult moli Keqep ug vji 80't cigusi vjiz jutvif vji umznqod henit? Tuni emtu tqidamevi vjev vjisi ot nadj dussaqvoup op Djope, gus iyenqmi caomfoph 12-13 umznqod tobi tqusvt tvefoant, xjomi vjiz jewi pu vient vu avomobi vjin egvis vjiz esi caomv, dep epzupi tjif tuni mohjv up vjot? Emtu 08/08/2008 tjuamf ci duptofisif e wisz madlz fez op djopiti damvasi et vji pancis 8 ot duptofisif vu ci huuf madl, nezci nepz djopiti xomm kanq opvu vji tvudl nesliv omm-opgusnif epf vjip dsetj vji nesliv xjip vjiz emm muti vjios tjosv fai vu medl ug opwitvnipv lpuxmifhi? Epzupi imti jewi epz tqidamevoupt, xjz ot Djope e civvis opwitvnipv duapvsz vjip Csebom us Sattoe, O vjopl ov ot huoph vu castv qistupemmz tu O en puv neloph epz djopiti opwitvnipvt - fuit epzupi imti giim vji teni?