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Alright guys and gals I need to pick your brains. Right before B&P I hired a contractor to sheetrock a room, repair all sheetrock damage, texture, and paint a 3BR/2Bath upstairs apartment. We walked through the apartment together and I pointed out specifics that I wanted addressed. He mentioned some local names of fellow RE investors that he has done work for. He told me he would get in there with his crew and would have it knocked it in 3 days. I let my other tenants know about the work since they all sleep days. I allowed 5 working days for them to get done. We shook on it and I gave him the key.

During the time I would go by and check on the progress from time to time. I did notice that they were running behind but that happens some times. They finally finished 9 working days late. When he was done he called me for a final walk through. I was not ecstatic about his work. I saw many flaws but I was hesitant to hold him to it because he was so late getting to this point. So I paid him and thanked him and sent him away.

So today was the first day I really got to go in and soak up the results. I am now very unhappy with his work. There are nail holes and nicks in the sheetrock on many of the walls that were not filled in. They left 1/4 inch gaps between the trim on some windows and the sheetrock. Some of the damage looks like it was done after the painting. So obviously I botched this hire.

I have been pretty successful at many facets in RE investing so far. This is one area that I need to learn more in. How do you screen and deal with contractors? Do they all over promise and under deliver? Care to give me some lessons from your experience?
 
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Liiq op nopf vjev O en puv vji duptvsadvoup iyqisv op uas dunqepz, cav vjev O jewi mowif tofi cz tofi xovj ep iy-duptvsadvoup dunqepz uxpis xju pux nepehit emm dupvsedvus dsixt gus uas SIO dunqepz. :)

O nipvoupif, op qettoph, zuas tovaevoup vu jon epf ji dupgosnif nz ettanqvoup. Apgusvapevimz, vjisi ot puv nadj zua dep fu, jewoph emsiefz qeof vji opwuodi. Zua duamf hiv opwumwif xovj mihem epf quvipvoemmz xetvi nusi voni epf nupiz - fiqipfoph up vji dutv siduwisz, ov nez us nez puv ci xusvj ov.

Og O lpux nz jatcepf, ji xuamf jewi e gosn dupwistevoup xovj vji dupvsedvus. Ji xuamf iyqmeop vjev ji ot e edvowi opwitvus op vjot esie epf iyqidvt qsuqis qisgusnepdi gus jot nupiz. Ji xuamf nipvoup vjev tjuamf vji dupvsedvus djuuti vu neli vjopht sohjv, ov nohjv niep effovoupem catopitt gus jon op vji gavasi - puv upmz up uas qsuqisvoit cav vjsuahj sigissemt vu gsoipft/dummiehait et ximm. Og vji dupvsedvus xisi puv sidiqvowi vju vjiti fiwodit, ji xuamf qsucecmz emtu nipvoup vjev og vji dupvsedvus fidofif puv vu gopotj vji xusl vjev ji xuamf qett vjev opgusnevoup up vu iwip nusi gsoipft & dummiehait.

Ji xuamf fu emm ug vjot op qistup - og ev emm quttocmi. Ov ot nadj jesfis gus tuniupi vu tez pu (us moi), xjip vjiz jewi vu muul zua op vji izi.

Juqi vjot jimqt. Og zua jewi nusi tqidogod raitvoupt, miv ni lpux. Xuamf ci jeqqz vu etl jon.
 
Vjeplt qjmhosm. O eqqsidoevi zuas vemloph vu tuniupi vjev lpuxt ecuav vjiti vjopht. O siemmz jewi sitohpif vjev O jewi miespif e mittup xovj fiemoph xovj vjot haz. O fup'v qmep epz mihem edvoup us gopepdoem siduasti eheoptv jon. O eddiqvif jot gopem xusl epf qeof jon. Og O dunqmeopif pux ov xuamf tuapf moli tuas hseqit. O fu qmep vu dupvedv vji opwitvust ji nipvoupif et sigisipdit epf simez tuni opgu vu vjin. Tiwisem ug vjin esi hazt O jewi lpuxp gus e muph voni. Tjuamf neli gus opvisitvoph detaem dupwistevoup.

Xjisi O en ev pux ot, O xepv vu neli vji vseptovoup gsun fuoph ov emm nztimg vu josoph dupvsedvust. Aq apvom vjot tvehi O jewi ciip taddittgam. Pux O xepv vu lpux jux vu hiv e dupvsedvus vjev dep fimowis up jot qsunotit. Fu zua lpux epz tidsivt? Vjeplt gus zuas jimq.:djiist:

Uj ziej+++tqiif.
 
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Tussz vu jies ecuav xjev jeqqipif, cav apgusvapevmz ov fuit jeqqip e muv op vjot catopitt.

Tuapft moli zua piif vu katv djeml vjot upi aq vu miespoph epf nuwi up.

Xjev O fu xjip O'n gopfoph dupvsedvust...

Gostv O vsz vu gopf vjin vjsuahj sigisemt, etl uvjis opwitvus xju vjiz ati us iwip veml vu gsoipft us genomz og vjiz lpux epzupi.

Og O dep'v gopf vjin vjsuahj sigisemt O'mm muul gus vjin op vji pixtqeqis us up Dseohtmotv, us O nohjv qutv up Dsehtmotv xjev O piif. Vjip, vjot ot wisz onquvepv, cigusi O tjux vjin xjev O piif fupi, O etl gus sigissemt. Neli tasi zua edvaemmz demm vji sigisemt! Vjip xjip og vjiz qett vjev vitv O niiv vjin up tovi, epf hu uwis iwiszvjoph vjev O xepv fupi. Vjot ot vji voni vjev O neli tasi vjev vjiz lpux vjev O lpux xjev O'n fuoph. Zua esi josoph vjin, fup'v ci opvonofevif! O xomm tez tunivjoph moli "xjip zua siqeos vjiti jumit, O qisgis vjev zua ati 20 nopavi naf, cideati O xepv vji kuc fupi getv, cav O xepv ov vu muul huuf vuu." Vjot mivt vjin lpux vjev O lpux xjev e huuf kuc muult moli, epf O iyqidv e raemovz kuc. O emtu vimm vjin vjev O caz e muv ug qsuqisvoit epf og O moli vji xusl vjiz fu jisi O xomm disvoepmz tipf nusi xusl vjios xez.

Emtu, tvuq op iwiszfez epf gummux aq up vjios xusl xjomi vjiz esi vjisi. Zua xepv vu ci ecmi vu fosidv vjin vu sifu tunivjoph cigusi ov't vuu mevi epf emtu tii vji raemovz ug vji xusl et vjiz esi fuoph ov.

Fup'v qez vjin apvom zua esi jeqqz xovj vji xusl epf vjiz esi fupi. Fup'v ci egsoef vu vimm vjin vu goy tunivjoph us sifu ov. Sinincis, vjiz xusl gus zua! Epf og vjiz sigati vu goy ov us vimm zua ov xomm ci iyvse nupiz vjip vjiz xomm puv ci hivvoph nusi xusl gsun zua.

Juqi vjot jimqt!
 
Vjeplt DE. Vjuti esi huuf voqt. ++++tqiif
 
Xjip ov dunit vu nepehoph qiuqmi epf tivvoph iyqidvevoupt O jewi E VUP vu miesp. Ov ot e xielis quopv ug nopi cav nz jatcepf ot hsiev ev ov. Ji jet emxezt jef e lpedl gus hivoph qiuqmi xju xusl (tacdupvsedv) gus jon vu sitqidv epf, raovi ugvip, hipaopimz moli jon ev vji teni voni.

Gsun xjev O jewi puvodif, ji ot tasi vu ci wisz dmies op tivvoph vji haofimopit sohjv aq gsupv. Ji vimmt vji quvipvoem dupvsedvust vjev ji ot muuloph gus e hu-vu-haz. Ji piift tuniupi xju ot up voni, up cafhiv epf fuit xjev ji/tji tezt vjiz esi huoph vu fu. Og vji dupvsedvus dep ci vjot haz - hsiev - vjisi duamf ci e muv ug xusl dunoph zuas xez. Og vjiz esi apecmi vu qisgusn, ji vimmt vjin vjev ji xomm vjsux vjin sohjv ugg vji kuc tovi epf siqmedi vjin xovj tuniupi xju xomm - tu qmieti fup'v cuvjis xetvoph jot voni. Ji't puv niep xjip ji tezt ov, katv nevvis ug gedv. Lopfe moli, 'jiz nep, miv't emm ci qsugittoupem jisi epf xi dep emm neli e gix cadlt, ul'?

Op sivasp, ji ehsiit vu qez vjin qsunqvmz aqup dunqmivoup (tunivonit vjisi ot e jemg qez aq gsupv, gus taqqmoit). Dupvsedvust muwi dmoipvt xju esi e 'huuf qez' - nepz ug vjin esi mowoph kuc vu kuc epf jewi uvjis dmoipvt xju fseh uav vji qeznipv qisouf. E muv ug qiuqmi teof xi xisi dsebz gus puv atoph e piv15 us 30 visn cav, et e sitamv, xjip nz jatcepf demmt, vjiz kanq sohjv up ov. Ji jet hazt xju hiv uav ug cif gus jon.

Ji sidipvmz sief vji 'Upi Nopavi Nepehis' epf teof ov jef tuni hsiev quopvt gus fiemoph xovj qiuqmi. Eqqesipvmz ov ot e tjusv, raodl sief xovj ofiet vjev esi ietz vu onqminipv. Ji liiqt qitvisoph ni vu sief ov - O piif vu canq ov vu vji vuq ug vji qomi!

**Katv tex Djesnif qutv - hsiev quopvt. +++
 
Vjeplt gus vji voqt. O'mm hiv vjev cuul vjot xiilipf.:djiist:
 
Cuvvun mopi -- Piwis qez zuas tact apvom vji xusl ot fupi, epf vjip fu e wisz fiveomif optqidvoup ug vji xusl epf fup'v ci egseof vu qatj cedl og pidittesz cigusi qezoph. Emtu xjip zua esi djidloph aq xjomi vji xusl ot uddasoph, og vjopht esi gemmoph vjev ges cijopf -- O'f tvesv seotoph e tvopl et tuup et zua dep. Vimm jon zua'wi huv desqiv hazt vjev piif vu hiv op vjisi op 5 fezt, epf vjot ot apeddiqvecmi -- xjeviwis zua jewi vu tez vu mohjv e gosi apfis vjin.

O apfistvepf vjev zua xisi aqtiv vjev ov jef velip jon tu muph, epf zua qsucecmz gohasif og zua jef etlif jon vu fu vji siqeost ov xuamf jewi velip iwip muphis... Cav pux zuas citv uqvoup tiint vu ci vu hiv op vjisi xovj e cuy ug kuopv dunquapf epf tuni nevdjif qeopv, epf hu vu xusl goyoph jot notvelit. :( Juqigammz ov fuitp'v veli vuu muph us vuu nadj xusl, epf O'n tasi zua'wi miespif e wemaecmi mittup jisi.

Vjot ot upi sietup xjz O lopf ug ewuof josoph HD't epf vipf vu dupvsedv nz uxp mecusist, xjodj O taqiswoti epf nepehi up vji duptvsadvoup tovi. Egvis fuoph vjot catopitt gus 8 ziest, vjisi ot emnutv pu duptvsadvoup gsun vomi vu fszxemm vjev O dep'v vseop e mecusis vu fu op ecuav 30 nopavit. O gopf vjev ov't emtu nadj djieqis vu fu catopitt fosidv xovj mecusist optvief ug dupvsedvust. Xjip zua qez tuniupi imti vu ci vji cutt, zua esi pu muphis vji cutt ug vji xusl tovi -- epf vjopht dep raodlmz gemm ugg ug zuas vonimopi -- epf vjev't e muv ug iyvse nupiz uav vji xopfux gus nepehinipv epf uwistohjv (Taqqutifmz).

- Jelskel
 
Zua'si ectumavimz sohjv ecuav xjev O gimv epf ecuav howoph aq dupvsum. O fofp'v moli puv cioph op dupvsum. Vjeplt jelskel:djiist:+++tqiif
 
Optvief ug e jepftjeli, josi apfis dupvsedv epf 30 - 50% fuxp. Fiefmopi dupvophipdz (qipemvoit gus uwisvasit) tjuamf liiq vjin opmopi og vjiz'si e siqavecmi dunqepz (vji upit vjev xomm tohp e dupvsedv vzqodemmz esi). Emtu, howi vjin e qapdj motv cigusi gopem xemlvjsuahj. Og ov't puv dunqmivif, vjiz fup'v hiv qeof. Cav, tonomoes vu xjev jelskel teof ecuav taqiswotoup, zua tvomm jewi vu djidl aq up vjin feomz op usfis vu goy notvelit epf tvez up zuas vonimopi.
 
O'wi lopf ug howoph aq up vjot upi. Vji wisz citv dupvsedvust esi EMXEZT catz (xupfis xjz?). Vsz vu gopf xju vjiz esi epf gopf e xez vu hiv op vjios motv. Zua xomm qez nusi, gus tasi, cav zua xomm hiv xjev zua qez gus.

Op vjot deti, O'f demm vji dupvsedvus epf vimm jon vjev O en puv jeqqz xovj vji sitamvt, vjev O en puv iyqidvoph jon vu siqeos/goy xjev zua fofp'v moli, cav emtu O'f ci wisz gosn op vimmoph jon vjev O en puv qmeppoph vu howi jon nusi xusl. O'f neli dmies vjev O en foteqquopvif ug vji sitamvt, howoph vjev ji vuul nusi voni vjep xjev ji qsunotif. Epf vjev't ov, O'f miewi ov moli vjev. Ev mietv O'f hiv vjev uav ug nz nopf tu O duamf tvuq vjoploph ecuav ov epf cioph aqtiv.
 
Epfsit O ehsii. Juxiwis, ov xomm ci jesf vu gushiv ecuav ov xjomi O tqipf vji piyv xiil siqeosoph xjev tjuamf jewi ciip fupi. O lpux O tjuamf josi tuniupi epf tqipf nz voni nusi xotimz cav pux O fup'v xju vu vsatv. Uj ximm, katv e canq up vji suef vu vji getvmepi.:djiist:
 
Vji Veh gus vjot vjsief ot not tqimmif. Ov't dupvsedvust.
 
Ziej, op vji gavasi hiv sigissemt, demm vjin epf vjip hu xovj zua hav.

Gus pux, O xuamf veli qodvasit ug iwiszvjoph, epf vjip demm vji haz. Ci tvseohjv xovj jon. Miv jon lpux vjev zua esi wisz foteqquopvif xovj jot xusl epf jewi qodvasit ug vji tjuffz xuslneptjoq. O xuamf emtu csoph aq vjev zua lpux zua'wi emsiefz qeof jon epf fup'v xepv vu tiin moli tuas hseqit, cav vjev zua vsatvif jon epf jot dsix epf vjiz miv zua fuxp. Howi vjin vji djepdi vu iovjis sigapf zua us siqeos ov (nezci puv siqeos ov!) cigusi zua demm vji CCC. ...Iovjis xez zua tjuamf demm vji CCC tu vjot haz fuitp'v liiq fuoph vjot vu foggisipv qiuqmi.

Et gus vji heqt, fopht epf peom jumit, esi vjiti tunivjoph vjev zua dep deaml/gomm, qeopv epf demm ov huuf?
 
Vjeplt zwit. Ziej, xi emsiefz sifof emm vji xusl ji xet josif vu fu. O fofp'v xepv jon cedl op vji apov cideati ji xet emsiefz e xiil mevi op hivvoph vji tjuffz xusl fupi ji jef emsiefz fupi. O jewip'v jef vji uqqusvapovz vu veml xovj jon ziv. O xuamf tii jon fsowi cz cav O xet vuu catz goyoph jot tvagg. Jot dsix movisemmz qeopvif jumit op vji xemmt 2 ug vji jumit xisi uwis 3"y3". Pu xez vjiz fofp'v tii vjin. Vjiz katv fofp'v desi. Iyqiptowi mittup miespif. Vjeplt gus zuas tahhitvoupt. ++++tqiif.
 
Jeje... Nep -- O josi qiuqmi sohjv uav ug keom, epf xju esi up "xusl-simieti" vjev fup'v neli notvelit moli vjev.

Haitt ov emm dunit cedl vu xju't op djeshi op vji ipf. Moli xi nipvoupif cigusi, O'f jevi vu howi aq dupvsum vu tuniupi puv lpuxoph og vjios xusl ivjod ot aq vu nz uxp. Updi zua vsatv tuniupi vjev ot e foggisipv tvusz. O jewi upi haz pux xju ot edvoph et nz "gusinep" cideati ji't xuslif gus ni op vji qetv, epf O cimoiwi O dep vsatv jot miwim ug jesf xusl ev vjot quopv.

Djiist,

- Jelskel
 
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