Do you enjoy Chinese food?

[Russ H]

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. . . and other foods w/MSG?

Some surprising new research announced today:

MSG in the news-- new health findings

Also, I never realized it, but when you look on an ingredients list, lots of things are actually MSG-- they just have different names (like "hydrolized yeast"):

Glutamic acid and its salts can also be present in a wide variety of other additives, including hydrolyzed vegetable proteins, autolyzed yeast, hydrolyzed yeast, yeast extract, soy extracts, and protein isolate, any one of which may appear as "spices" or "natural flavorings." The food additives disodium inosinate and disodium guanylate are usually used along with monosodium glutamate-containing ingredients, and provide a likely indicator of the presence of monosodium glutamate in a product. For this reason, the FDA considers labels such as "No MSG" or "No Added MSG" to be misleading if the food contains ingredients that are sources of free glutamate, such as hydrolyzed protein.

MSG on wiki.

 

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[hatterasguy]

Yes, I have it at least once a week.

Don't worry, I'm sure the cigars, or alcohol will get me long before the MSG does.:smx6:

 

[Russ H]

I'm sure the cigars, or alcohol will get me long before the MSG does. :smx6:

. . . or the cars.

or the boats.

-Russ H.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

You want to talk about Asparatame? High Fructose Corn Syrup? The list of additives that are comparable, if not worse than MSG is quite lengthy.

I'd eat a bowl of Chinese food anyday before a Diet Coke. Kinda fits in with that SHAMPOO thread.

 

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[Russ H]

Didja watch the vid, MJ?

I'm not saying it's worse than anything-- just new info-- and I found that interesting/fascinating.

Also, I'm a guy that reads lists of ingredients (as evidenced by our shampoo thread), and I was stunned to find out that there are a lot of "MSG-clones" or MSG substances that use different names.

I had no idea. I thought it could either be listed as monosodium glutamate, or a "natural flavorings".

-Russ H.

 

[Rawr]

You want to talk about Asparatame? High Fructose Corn Syrup? The list of additives that are comparable, if not worse than MSG is quite lengthy.

I'd eat a bowl of Chinese food anyday before a Diet Coke. Kinda fits in with that SHAMPOO thread.

Diet coke = 0 calories

Chinese food = a lot of fat mixed with carbs = nice tire around the waist.



I love good Chinese food now and then, but I'll take the diet coke!

 

[TC2]

I am wondering how many Chinese are on this forum.

I love Mexican Foods. Don't they use MSG?
I love A1 source. Does it contain MSG?

I don't really want to know.

 

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[qwerety]

Also, don't forget that MSG also occurs naturally in some foods. Its not always an added thing.

Everything in moderation.

Yes I'm with MJ I would take the chinese before a diet coke anyday. I have taken 2 college nutrition courses as well as a food chem class in college (which was one of the hardest classes I ever had) and I remember the stuff about that.

Rawr, don't assume because of the calorie amount that its better. After all think of all the different meds and pills out there that can seriously mess with the body, and it isn't like those have a bunch of calories.

Maybe you are getting the wrong foods, but most chinese I eat doesn't have much fat, its basically various veggies stir fried with some type of meat in a sauce (that will take care of sodium and msg) with either a bit of rice or maybe noodles (which gives you carbs). Carbs = Energy. Only time they bad is if you eat too much carbs for your activity level or just too much refined carbs. Like I said though, everything in moderation.

Say what you will, but good (good being the key word lol) chinese places have fresh stuff. No preservatives or additives. Look at the ingredients of a diet coke. Not many naturals there.

 

[PaulRobert]

I'd eat a bowl of Chinese food anyday before a Diet Coke. Kinda fits in with that SHAMPOO thread.

A Diet version of anything is just poison for your body. My friend's uncle got throat cancer from drinking that stuff. His doctor said it was a high chance from drinking so much diet soda. ( He did not smoke) Just read what is in Splenda and then look at Sugar. Which is healthier for your body?

 

[qwerety]

A Diet version of anything is just poison for your body. My friend's uncle got throat cancer from drinking that stuff. His doctor said it was a high chance from drinking so much diet soda. ( He did not smoke) Just read what is in Splenda and then look at Sugar. Which is healthier for your body?

Natural anything better than unnatural.

 

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[Russ H]

Oy. Too many generalized sweeping statements here.

Natural anything better than unnatural.

If you eat naturally occurring poison (like arsenic), or synthesized poison (like synthesized arsenic), it doesn't make a difference. You die.

Unless you just want a healthier looking corpse!

My friend's uncle got throat cancer from drinking that stuff. His doctor said it was a high chance from drinking so much diet soda. (He did not smoke).

Just read what is in Splenda and then look at Sugar. Which is healthier for your body?

Have you looked at Splenda? I personally don't care for it, but it has virtually identical molecular structure to natural sugar:

Sucralose - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I realize there is one study that points to aspartame as a possible carcinogen, if someone is exposed to it prenatally and then fed small doses constantly (in other words, kids mom drinks diet soda and kid drinks it from the time they're born).

Here's that study. Note that they recommend switching to Splenda if you're concerned!

If I'm wrong and there are studies on Splenda identifying it as a carcinogen, please link to the relevant scientific studies. Thanks.

Let me be clear: With the exception of Stevia (a naturally occurring sweetener), I don't think things like aspartame, splenda, sacharin, or others are good for you. And I think they could definitely be potentially dangerous.

But to say "this causes cancer" without any clinical evidence is just wrong. Stick to the science.

-Russ H.

 

[^eagle^]

Pepsi one (sweetened with splenda has a shelf life of nine months)
Diet Pepsi (sweetened with aspartame or nutrasweet has a shelf life of three months)
Pepsi (sweetened with corn syrup has a shelf life of 1 year or more)

Nutraweet breaks down into Formaldehyde Formaldehyde - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/

 

[qwerety]

If you eat naturally occurring poison (like arsenic), or synthesized poison (like synthesized arsenic), it doesn't make a difference. You die.

Unless you just want a healthier looking corpse!

HA Got me there lol

 

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[Rawr]

Oy. Too many generalized sweeping statements here.



If you eat naturally occurring poison (like arsenic), or synthesized poison (like synthesized arsenic), it doesn't make a difference. You die.

Unless you just want a healthier looking corpse!



Have you looked at Splenda? I personally don't care for it, but it has virtually identical molecular structure to natural sugar:

Sucralose - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I realize there is one study that points to aspartame as a possible carcinogen, if someone is exposed to it prenatally and then fed small doses constantly (in other words, kids mom drinks diet soda and kid drinks it from the time they're born).

Here's that study. Note that they recommend switching to Splenda if you're concerned!

If I'm wrong and there are studies on Splenda identifying it as a carcinogen, please link to the relevant scientific studies. Thanks.

Let me be clear: With the exception of Stevia (a naturally occurring sweetener), I don't think things like aspartame, splenda, sacharin, or others are good for you. And I think they could definitely be potentially dangerous.

But to say "this causes cancer" without any clinical evidence is just wrong. Stick to the science.

-Russ H.

Thank you Russ. Almost word for word...

Anecdotal evidence aside, please feel free to show any scientific studies that show a direct link between diet soda and cancer.

The only side effect I am aware of besides dehydration from caffeine is the lust for sweets.

 

[Rawr]

Also, don't forget that MSG also occurs naturally in some foods. Its not always an added thing.

Everything in moderation.

Yes I'm with MJ I would take the chinese before a diet coke anyday. I have taken 2 college nutrition courses as well as a food chem class in college (which was one of the hardest classes I ever had) and I remember the stuff about that.

Rawr, don't assume because of the calorie amount that its better. After all think of all the different meds and pills out there that can seriously mess with the body, and it isn't like those have a bunch of calories.

Maybe you are getting the wrong foods, but most chinese I eat doesn't have much fat, its basically various veggies stir fried with some type of meat in a sauce (that will take care of sodium and msg) with either a bit of rice or maybe noodles (which gives you carbs). Carbs = Energy. Only time they bad is if you eat too much carbs for your activity level or just too much refined carbs. Like I said though, everything in moderation.

Say what you will, but good (good being the key word lol) chinese places have fresh stuff. No preservatives or additives. Look at the ingredients of a diet coke. Not many naturals there.

This is a fairly popular choice:

Calories in General Tso's Chicken



Sure, you can just ask to toss the rice and meat and veggies, or better yet skip half the rice to make it healthy, but generally, you want that tasty chicken, and most of it is swimming in oil to make it that tasty.

 

[PaulRobert]

Have you looked at Splenda? I personally don't care for it, but it has virtually identical molecular structure to natural sugar:

Sucralose - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I realize there is one study that points to aspartame as a possible carcinogen, if someone is exposed to it prenatally and then fed small doses constantly (in other words, kids mom drinks diet soda and kid drinks it from the time they're born).


Let me be clear: With the exception of Stevia (a naturally occurring sweetener), I don't think things like aspartame, splenda, sacharin, or others are good for you. And I think they could definitely be potentially dangerous.

But to say "this causes cancer" without any clinical evidence is just wrong. Stick to the science.

-Russ H.

Ok looks like it's my turn to clear some things up!

My friend told to me about his uncle a couple years back (we were in elementary school) His cancer may of been caused from something else but he drank quite a bit of diet soda. I believe that there are no studies saying Splenda is bad for you, but personally I think it is potentially harmful for your health in the long run. From now on I'll just stick to the science as you state. Maybe in the future new studies will reveal which sweetener is good or bad for you. Hey they just figured out that tanning salons cause a greater risk of skin cancer. (I provided a link hehe)

Maple Ridge News - Tanning beds raise cancer risks: report

 

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[hatterasguy]

. . . or the cars.

or the boats.

-Russ H.

Or the women...

Or the guns...

:smx1:

 

[hatterasguy]

This is a fairly popular choice:

Calories in General Tso's Chicken



Sure, you can just ask to toss the rice and meat and veggies, or better yet skip half the rice to make it healthy, but generally, you want that tasty chicken, and most of it is swimming in oil to make it that tasty.

Wow, that stuff is bad for you! Its also my favorite I just had some for dinner last night!

 

[Russ H]

Anecdotal evidence aside, please feel free to show any scientific studies that show a direct link between diet soda and cancer.

The only side effect I am aware of besides dehydration from caffeine is the lust for sweets.

Rawr, you do know that nutrisweet has been linked to male testicular atrophy, right?

Here's the latest study.

-Russ H.

 

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[Rawr]

Rawr, you do know that nutrisweet has been linked to male testicular atrophy, right?

Here's the latest study.

-Russ H.

You totally got me.

I don't even have a comeback. :eusa_clap:

 

[rocksolid]

Here is a list I found of foods that containe MSG. It seems nothing is safe from the stuff.
What Foods Should I Avoid?