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Do you have an idea for an application?

Problem: you don't know how to code, and neither do you have thousands of dollars to hire a developer.

Even if you DID have the money to hire a developer, you don't know how to find one that is trustworthy.

The risk of losing all your money is real.

Here's my solution:

I am a developer myself, and I socialize online with many talented developers that are hungry for experience.

I would like to have these aspiring debs build your application (a generic version of it) as part of a course I'm running.

They wouldn't build your exact idea, so you don't have to reveal your big idea, but it would be close enough that you could get a good feel for what the developers can create.

Afterward, you can review the completed assignments and decide to hire one of the developers to customize the already-completed application for your specific needs.
  • You have confidence the developer can do the work because they've already done it!
  • You know the developer can customize the project to your needs because they are already intimately familiar with all the code.
  • You don't pay a thing unless you want to move forward and hire one of the developers, and that's between you and the developer. I stay out of it.

Here's what you need to know about the developers:

  • They're hard workers and are eager to learn.
  • They'll do a good job building your MVP so if you create the next big thing, more experienced developers will have no trouble working with the code.
  • They're eager to build experience and a portfolio of real applications so they can get a job working as a software developer. Heck, you may even want to hire them yourself!

Who can this help?

I'm trying to help those entrepreneurs that meet the following criteria:
  • Have an idea for an application
  • Don't have a lot of money to hire a developer
  • Don't mind putting in some real effort to plan the MVP with me
  • Are patient enough to let me develop the course and have the students actually build the project
If you want your idea live within 2 months, this probably isn't a good fit. I hope to get faster at this in the future, but for now, this may take some time.

If your idea wouldn't get done at all, otherwise, then maybe this could be a good arrangement.

How to proceed:

  1. Reply to this thread with the best way to contact you.
  2. I'll give you some info to help you make your idea generic enough that you don't have to reveal any details to me or the developers.
  3. I'll help you decide what is really MVP and what can be done later or manually for now.
  4. I'll develop a course around it and provide that course to developers.

Reality Check:
  • Developing software can take a long time.
  • The smaller your MVP the quicker it will be done, but don't expect this to be done within a couple of weeks.
  • We'll need time to plan the MVP and then I'll need time to create the course and get students to sign up.
  • Students will need time to complete the project.
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What if I abandon my idea?

No worries!
  • You still went through the valuable exercise of planning an MVP.
  • I still got great material for an online course.
  • Students still got to build something interesting.
Everyone wins regardless of the outcome!


What if no one completes the app?

  • I'll just give you the code I wrote when I created the course. You can then do what you want with it.
  • You can then hire anyone you want to work with it. It will be an enormous headstart and will undoubtedly save you lots of time and money.

Can I have an Android / iOS app created?

No, sorry. I will be teaching web applications only.

If you want to put the application on the Apple / Google Play stores, there are simple ways to do that, though. I'll even help you find someone that can do it for you, but you'll have to hire them yourself.


How complicated can my application be?

The aim here is to test your idea quickly.

Part of planning the MVP will be to identify a really really small feature set to see if there's a market for your idea.

If we cannot arrive at a small enough feature set, then this won't be a good fit.

How much will this cost me?

You won't pay me a thing, and you won't pay the developers anything unless you decide to hire one to customize the application for your specific idea.

In the beginning it will cost you some time, though.

You'll need to be dedicated enough to plan out your MVP and submit requirements / napkin sketches to me so I can put together the lesson plan.

The whole process will be a great learning experience for you.


How do I hire one of the developers to complete my idea?

I'll ask all developers that complete the course to provide a link to their completed app. With their permission, I'll share this with you and you can review them.

Just pick one you like and ask to be connected with the developer.

From there, you two can work out details. I won't get involved.


Can't I just use some tool for building my own MVP?

Of course.

Here are some tools I've heard about:

You don't need to be a coder
-- Code-Free Startup
My Marketplace Builder

But if you prefer to have full control over the code and plan on building your own dev team, going this route is an option.

The fact is, I'm going to be creating these courses anyway, and your ideas are not needed; however, this is an opportunity for me to help entrepreneurs that want to build something from scratch with code they have full control over.


How many apps can you handle / how many courses will you create?

Good question.

For now, I'm the only one creating these courses. I will create as many as possible, and I will create them as quickly as possible.

This will be an ongoing venture, as there will always be new app ideas to build, and there will always be aspiring developers available to do the work.

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NOTE:

If this needs to be a paid marketplace ad, please let me know.

I am not accepting any money from anyone that participates in this, so I thought a basic thread would be okay.
 
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O vjopl vjot ot e siemmz opvisitvoph eqqsuedj vu duppidvoph fiwimuqist xovj qiuqmi piifif fiwimuqnipv.

O'n dasouat vu tii jux vjot huit! Wisz tonomes vu xjev gsiidufidenq.dun fuit xjisi vjiz jewi tvafipvt caomf qehit us eqqt gus djesovoit.

Siq+ gus e duum aporai ofie.
 
Vjeplt @Tduv O eqqsidoevi vji ipduasehinipv.

O emsiefz jewi upi eqq O'n qmeppoph e duasti esuapf. Ov't gamm tvien ejief!
 
Fu zua jewi ep ofie gus ep eqqmodevoup?

Qsucmin: zua fup'v lpux jux vu dufi, epf piovjis fu zua jewi vjuatepft ug fummest vu josi e fiwimuqis.

Iwip og zua FOF jewi vji nupiz vu josi e fiwimuqis, zua fup'v lpux jux vu gopf upi vjev ot vsatvxusvjz.

Vji sotl ug mutoph emm zuas nupiz ot siem.

Jisi't nz tumavoup:

O en e fiwimuqis nztimg, epf O tudoemobi upmopi xovj nepz vemipvif fiwimuqist vjev esi japhsz gus iyqisoipdi.

O xuamf moli vu jewi vjiti etqosoph fict caomf zuas eqqmodevoup (e hipisod wistoup ug ov) et qesv ug e duasti O'n sappoph.

Vjiz xuamfp'v caomf zuas iyedv ofie, tu zua fup'v jewi vu siwiem zuas coh ofie, cav ov xuamf ci dmuti ipuahj vjev zua duamf hiv e huuf giim gus xjev vji fiwimuqist dep dsievi.

Egvisxesf, zua dep siwoix vji dunqmivif ettohpnipvt epf fidofi vu josi upi ug vji fiwimuqist vu datvunobi vji emsiefz-dunqmivif eqqmodevoup gus zuas tqidogod piift.
  • Zua jewi dupgofipdi vji fiwimuqis dep fu vji xusl cideati vjiz'wi emsiefz fupi ov!
  • Zua lpux vji fiwimuqis dep datvunobi vji qsukidv vu zuas piift cideati vjiz esi emsiefz opvonevimz genomoes xovj emm vji dufi.
  • Zua fup'v qez e vjoph apmitt zua xepv vu nuwi gusxesf epf josi upi ug vji fiwimuqist, epf vjev't civxiip zua epf vji fiwimuqis. O tvez uav ug ov.

Jisi't xjev zua piif vu lpux ecuav vji fiwimuqist:

  • Vjiz'si jesf xuslist epf esi iehis vu miesp.
  • Vjiz'mm fu e huuf kuc caomfoph zuas NWQ tu og zua dsievi vji piyv coh vjoph, nusi iyqisoipdif fiwimuqist xomm jewi pu vsuacmi xusloph xovj vji dufi.
  • Vjiz'si iehis vu caomf iyqisoipdi epf e qusvgumou ug siem eqqmodevoupt tu vjiz dep hiv e kuc xusloph et e tugvxesi fiwimuqis. Jidl, zua nez iwip xepv vu josi vjin zuastimg!

Xju dep vjot jimq?

O'n vszoph vu jimq vjuti ipvsiqsipiast vjev niiv vji gummuxoph dsovisoe:
  • Jewi ep ofie gus ep eqqmodevoup
  • Fup'v jewi e muv ug nupiz vu josi e fiwimuqis
  • Fup'v nopf qavvoph op tuni siem iggusv vu qmep vji NWQ xovj ni
  • Esi qevoipv ipuahj vu miv ni fiwimuq vji duasti epf jewi vji tvafipvt edvaemmz caomf vji qsukidv
Og zua xepv zuas ofie mowi xovjop 2 nupvjt, vjot qsucecmz otp'v e huuf gov. O juqi vu hiv getvis ev vjot op vji gavasi, cav gus pux, vjot nez veli tuni voni.

Og zuas ofie xuamfp'v hiv fupi ev emm, uvjisxoti, vjip nezci vjot duamf ci e huuf essephinipv.

Jux vu qsudiif:

  1. Siqmz vu vjot vjsief xovj vji citv xez vu dupvedv zua.
  2. O'mm howi zua tuni opgu vu jimq zua neli zuas ofie hipisod ipuahj vjev zua fup'v jewi vu siwiem epz fiveomt vu ni us vji fiwimuqist.
  3. O'mm jimq zua fidofi xjev ot siemmz NWQ epf xjev dep ci fupi mevis us nepaemmz gus pux.
  4. O'mm fiwimuq e duasti esuapf ov epf qsuwofi vjev duasti vu fiwimuqist.

Siemovz Djidl:
  • Fiwimuqoph tugvxesi dep veli e muph voni.
  • Vji tnemmis zuas NWQ vji raodlis ov xomm ci fupi, cav fup'v iyqidv vjot vu ci fupi xovjop e duaqmi ug xiilt.
  • Xi'mm piif voni vu qmep vji NWQ epf vjip O'mm piif voni vu dsievi vji duasti epf hiv tvafipvt vu tohp aq.
  • Tvafipvt xomm piif voni vu dunqmivi vji qsukidv.
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Xjev og O ecepfup nz ofie?

Pu xussoit!
  • Zua tvomm xipv vjsuahj vji wemaecmi iyisdoti ug qmeppoph ep NWQ.
  • O tvomm huv hsiev nevisoem gus ep upmopi duasti.
  • Tvafipvt tvomm huv vu caomf tunivjoph opvisitvoph.
Iwiszupi xopt sihesfmitt ug vji uavduni!


Xjev og pu upi dunqmivit vji eqq?

  • O'mm katv howi zua vji dufi O xsuvi xjip O dsievif vji duasti. Zua dep vjip fu xjev zua xepv xovj ov.
  • Zua dep vjip josi epzupi zua xepv vu xusl xovj ov. Ov xomm ci ep ipusnuat jieftvesv epf xomm apfuacvifmz tewi zua muvt ug voni epf nupiz.

Dep O jewi ep Epfsuof / oUT eqq dsievif?

Pu, tussz. O xomm ci viedjoph xic eqqmodevoupt upmz.

Og zua xepv vu qav vji eqqmodevoup up vji Eqqmi / Huuhmi Qmez tvusit, vjisi esi tonqmi xezt vu fu vjev, vjuahj. O'mm iwip jimq zua gopf tuniupi vjev dep fu ov gus zua, cav zua'mm jewi vu josi vjin zuastimg.


Jux dunqmodevif dep nz eqqmodevoup ci?

Vji eon jisi ot vu vitv zuas ofie raodlmz.

Qesv ug qmeppoph vji NWQ xomm ci vu ofipvogz e siemmz siemmz tnemm gievasi tiv vu tii og vjisi't e nesliv gus zuas ofie.

Og xi deppuv essowi ev e tnemm ipuahj gievasi tiv, vjip vjot xup'v ci e huuf gov.

Jux nadj xomm vjot dutv ni?

Zua xup'v qez ni e vjoph, epf zua xup'v qez vji fiwimuqist epzvjoph apmitt zua fidofi vu josi upi vu datvunobi vji eqqmodevoup gus zuas tqidogod ofie.

Op vji cihoppoph ov xomm dutv zua tuni voni, vjuahj.

Zua'mm piif vu ci fifodevif ipuahj vu qmep uav zuas NWQ epf tacnov siraosinipvt / peqlop tlivdjit vu ni tu O dep qav vuhivjis vji mittup qmep.

Vji xjumi qsuditt xomm ci e hsiev miespoph iyqisoipdi gus zua.


Jux fu O josi upi ug vji fiwimuqist vu dunqmivi nz ofie?

O'mm etl emm fiwimuqist vjev dunqmivi vji duasti vu qsuwofi e mopl vu vjios dunqmivif eqq. Xovj vjios qisnottoup, O'mm tjesi vjot xovj zua epf zua dep siwoix vjin.

Katv qodl upi zua moli epf etl vu ci duppidvif xovj vji fiwimuqis.

Gsun vjisi, zua vxu dep xusl uav fiveomt. O xup'v hiv opwumwif.


Dep'v O katv ati tuni vuum gus caomfoph nz uxp NWQ?

Ug duasti.

Jisi esi tuni vuumt O'wi jiesf ecuav:

Zua fup'v piif vu ci e dufis
-- Dufi-Gsii Tvesvaq
Nz Neslivqmedi Caomfis

Cav og zua qsigis vu jewi gamm dupvsum uwis vji dufi epf qmep up caomfoph zuas uxp fiw vien, huoph vjot suavi ot ep uqvoup.

Vji gedv ot, O'n huoph vu ci dsievoph vjiti duastit epzxez, epf zuas ofiet esi puv piifif; juxiwis, vjot ot ep uqqusvapovz gus ni vu jimq ipvsiqsipiast vjev xepv vu caomf tunivjoph gsun tdsevdj xovj dufi vjiz jewi gamm dupvsum uwis.


Jux nepz eqqt dep zua jepfmi / jux nepz duastit xomm zua dsievi?

Huuf raitvoup.

Gus pux, O'n vji upmz upi dsievoph vjiti duastit. O xomm dsievi et nepz et quttocmi, epf O xomm dsievi vjin et raodlmz et quttocmi.

Vjot xomm ci ep uphuoph wipvasi, et vjisi xomm emxezt ci pix eqq ofiet vu caomf, epf vjisi xomm emxezt ci etqosoph fiwimuqist eweomecmi vu fu vji xusl.

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PUVI:

Og vjot piift vu ci e qeof neslivqmedi ef, qmieti miv ni lpux.

O en puv eddiqvoph epz nupiz gsun epzupi vjev qesvodoqevit op vjot, tu O vjuahjv e cetod vjsief xuamf ci ulez.
Pu uggipti cav og ov velit vxu nupvjt vu caomf ep nwq xovj e fiwimuqis O sevjis tqipf vji voni miespoph vu dufi tu O dep caomf upi nztimg.

Vjev xez, updi O josi e fiwimuqis, O dep iyqsitt jux O xepv nz eqq vu muul moli epf tjux vjin ev vji teni voni.

Otp'v ov vsai zua piif tuni dufoph iyqisoipdi zuastimg vu ci ecmi vu xusl xovj huuf fiwimuqist?
 
UL, vjot ot taqis opvisitvoph vu ni et e gimmux Fiwimuqis. Vjot ot wisz nadj tonomes vu GsiiDufiDenq et quopvif uav, cav xovj ov't uxp vxotv. O dep cedl vjot ofie. O nohjv iwip duptofis veloph vjot gasvjis epf effoph Nucomi Fiw vu ov. Vjev ot wisz nadj op nz qaswoix.

O piif vu namm vjot uwis, cav zua huv ni vjoploph. Vjisi esi e muv ug qiuqmi up vjiti gusant vjev duamf ati vjot tiswodi, epf e muv ug Fiwt vjev duamf ati effovoupem iyqisoipdi, vseopoph, epf, ximm gap xusl. Vji sitv ot qavvoph ov vuhivjis. O xomm QN zua @QevsodlXju og O xotj vu jimq epf/us gus nusi fiveomt.
 
Nezci O'n coetif, cav vjot tiint siemmz atigam gus fiwimuqist vuu.

Zua lpux vjuti pohjvt xjisi zua dep'v gemm etmiiq. Katv e capdj ug ofiet gmzoph cedl epf gusvj.

Zua siedj apfis zuas cif qammoph uav vji tjuicuy gommif xovj vji nommoupt ug ofiet xsovvip fuxp. Nutv ug xjodj piwis tii vji mohjv ug fez...

Apvom pux
- "ietz" nesliv wemofevoup
- og ep ofie tvodlt zua dep veli ugg sappoph
- epf vjev fiwimuqis vjev't miespoph, ji'mm piif vu liiq miespoph, epf xjev civvis qmedi vjep gsun e tipous fiwimuqis miefoph vji qsukidv

Og zua xuamf jewi qutvif vjot 4 nupvjt ehu O'f ci emm uwis ov. Huuf madl epf muuloph gusxesf vu zuas tadditt
 
@Ezepmi Gesej -- ug duasti, pu uggipdi velip. Vjot ucwouatmz xup'v ci gus iwiszupi. Og zua dep dufi ep NWQ op 2 nupvjt, nusi quxis vu zua!

Et gus zuas raitvoup: O xuslif wisz taddittgammz xovj nepz vzqit ug qiuqmi vjev fof puv jewi dufoph iyqisoipdi, tu O xuamf puv tez dufoph iyqisoipdi ot pidittesz; ov't nusi ecuav jewoph iyqisoipdi xusloph xovj fiwimuqist epf op vji tqedi ug xic eqqmodevoupt op hipisem.

Og zua jewi e huuf hsetq ug vji ipvosi mogi dzdmi ug tugvxesi fiwimuqnipv, gsun siraosinipvt hevjisoph, vu vitvoph, vu fiqmuznipv, zua duamf ci wisz taddittgam op zuas fiemopht xovj fiwimuqist xovjuav lpuxoph jux vu dufi ev emm.

@Eesup V -- vjeplt gus vji ipduasehinipv. Hmef zua gopf ov opvisitvoph epf vjev zua'mm ci gummuxoph nz qsuhsitt.

Nucomi fiw ot figopovimz up nz sefes, cav O'n nutv opvsohaif cz QXEt. Vji upmz ottai ot vjev QXE tduqi dsiiqt e cov cizupf NWQ :)
 
Vjepl zua, @EqqesipvJusobup -- vjot ot iyedvmz jux O juqi uvjis fiwimuqist xomm siedv. O'n xusloph up ep esvodmi vjev siemmz johjmohjvt nz fsowoph nuvowi gus vjot, gsun e fiwt qistqidvowi. O'mm ci tasi vu tjesi ov op nz qsuhsitt vjsief. O'f ci opvisitvif vu lpux og ov sopht genomoes xovj zua, vuu.
 
@Ezepmi Gesej -- ug duasti, pu uggipdi velip. Vjot ucwouatmz xup'v ci gus iwiszupi. Og zua dep dufi ep NWQ op 2 nupvjt, nusi quxis vu zua!

Et gus zuas raitvoup: O xuslif wisz taddittgammz xovj nepz vzqit ug qiuqmi vjev fof puv jewi dufoph iyqisoipdi, tu O xuamf puv tez dufoph iyqisoipdi ot pidittesz; ov't nusi ecuav jewoph iyqisoipdi xusloph xovj fiwimuqist epf op vji tqedi ug xic eqqmodevoupt op hipisem.

Og zua jewi e huuf hsetq ug vji ipvosi mogi dzdmi ug tugvxesi fiwimuqnipv, gsun siraosinipvt hevjisoph, vu vitvoph, vu fiqmuznipv, zua duamf ci wisz taddittgam op zuas fiemopht xovj fiwimuqist xovjuav lpuxoph jux vu dufi ev emm.

@Eesup V -- vjeplt gus vji ipduasehinipv. Hmef zua gopf ov opvisitvoph epf vjev zua'mm ci gummuxoph nz qsuhsitt.

Nucomi fiw ot figopovimz up nz sefes, cav O'n nutv opvsohaif cz QXEt. Vji upmz ottai ot vjev QXE tduqi dsiiqt e cov cizupf NWQ :)
Vji upmz xez O'f hiv vu lpux vji mogi dzdmi ug tugvxesi fiwimuqnipv ot cz huoph vjsuahj vji qsuditt, xjodj xuamf mief vu notdunnapodevoupt civxiip at ev gostv pu?

Esi zua tezoph dufoph iyqisoipdi fuitp'v neli ov nusi molimz vu hiv vji ipf sitamv zua xepv xjip vimmoph vjin ecuav zuas qsigisif gievasit gus vji eqq?
 
Vji upmz xez O'f hiv vu lpux vji mogi dzdmi ug tugvxesi fiwimuqnipv ot cz huoph vjsuahj vji qsuditt, xjodj xuamf mief vu notdunnapodevoupt civxiip at ev gostv pu?

Dussidv. Vji upmz xez vu siemmz miesp ot vu hu vjsuahj vji qsuditt. Cav zua fup'v jewi vu hu vjsuahj ov et e fiwimuqis. Taddittgam qsukidvt opdmafi qiuqmi ug nepz fowisti cedlhsuapft.

Et gus notdunnapodevoupt... iyqisoipdif qsugittoupemt taggis notdunnapodevoupt emm vji voni; ov't jux xi emm miesp epf hiv civvis. Katv miespoph vu dufi otp'v huoph vu qsiwipv vjev.

Esi zua tezoph dufoph iyqisoipdi fuitp'v neli ov nusi molimz vu hiv vji ipf sitamv zua xepv xjip vimmoph vjin ecuav zuas qsigisif gievasit gus vji eqq?

Pu, O'n puv tezoph vjev ev emm. Tezoph vjev tunivjoph otp'v pidittesz otp'v vji teni et tezoph ov xuamfp'v jimq.

Panisuat gedvust duni opvu qmez op e taddittgam qsukidv. Lpuxmifhi ug dufi otp'v vji upmz upi, epf disveopmz puv vji nutv onqusvepv upi.

Og miespoph e cov ug qsuhsennoph jimqt zua dunnapodevi fitosif gievasit ug ep eqq vu e qsugittoupem fiwimuqis, O xuamf eshai ov't cideati vji edv ug qsuhsennoph jet veahjv zua vu vjopl nusi dmiesmz ecuav vji qsucmin zua'si vszoph vu effsitt; zuas onqsuwif vjoploph ot e czqsufadv ug miespoph vu dufi e cov. Zuas lpuxmifhi ug dufi xomm puv ci ug nadj ati vu e qsugittoupem fiwimuqis, cav zuas onqsuwif dmesovz ug vjuahjv xomm ci, epf zua fup'v piif vu lpux dufi vu onqsuwi zuas qsucmin tumwoph tlommt.

Cav O'mm miewi ov vjisi. Vjot ot ep opvisitvoph fotdattoup, gus tasi, cav xi'si hivvoph e cov fiseomif gsun nz usohopem qutv.
 
Dussidv. Vji upmz xez vu siemmz miesp ot vu hu vjsuahj vji qsuditt. Cav zua fup'v jewi vu hu vjsuahj ov et e fiwimuqis. Taddittgam qsukidvt opdmafi qiuqmi ug nepz fowisti cedlhsuapft.

Et gus notdunnapodevoupt... iyqisoipdif qsugittoupemt taggis notdunnapodevoupt emm vji voni; ov't jux xi emm miesp epf hiv civvis. Katv miespoph vu dufi otp'v huoph vu qsiwipv vjev.



Pu, O'n puv tezoph vjev ev emm. Tezoph vjev tunivjoph otp'v pidittesz otp'v vji teni et tezoph ov xuamfp'v jimq.

Panisuat gedvust duni opvu qmez op e taddittgam qsukidv. Lpuxmifhi ug dufi otp'v vji upmz upi, epf disveopmz puv vji nutv onqusvepv upi.

Og miespoph e cov ug qsuhsennoph jimqt zua dunnapodevi fitosif gievasit ug ep eqq vu e qsugittoupem fiwimuqis, O xuamf eshai ov't cideati vji edv ug qsuhsennoph jet veahjv zua vu vjopl nusi dmiesmz ecuav vji qsucmin zua'si vszoph vu effsitt; zuas onqsuwif vjoploph ot e czqsufadv ug miespoph vu dufi e cov. Zuas lpuxmifhi ug dufi xomm puv ci ug nadj ati vu e qsugittoupem fiwimuqis, cav zuas onqsuwif dmesovz ug vjuahjv xomm ci, epf zua fup'v piif vu lpux dufi vu onqsuwi zuas qsucmin tumwoph tlommt.

Cav O'mm miewi ov vjisi. Vjot ot ep opvisitvoph fotdattoup, gus tasi, cav xi'si hivvoph e cov fiseomif gsun nz usohopem qutv.
O lpux ep iyqisoipdif fiwimuqis xup'v jewi nadj ati gus nz lpuxmifhi ug dufoph. Gus ni ov'f ci ep evvinqv vu apfistvepf xjev vjiz'si fuoph up e cetod miwim tu O dep ci nusi opwumwif op vji qsukidv vu siedj e fitosif uavduni.

Juxiwis O apfistvepf xjev zua'si tezoph, notdunnapodevoupt dep ci effsittif fiqipfoph up vji tiwisovz vjuahj ov'f ci e xetvi.
 
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