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[Longinus]

They are a good example of a once prosperous democracy that turned to progressivist socialism relatively recently.

Germany is another example of a country that confiscated the privately owned firearms before their Nazi Reich. We know how that turned out.

There were both industrialized nations with wealth and opportunity. That said, we need to come to one of the two following conclusions from these examples to reconcile it to our beliefs:

-We are better than the Venezuelans and Germans and they are bad or stupid or bigoted people.
Or
-A voting majority of humans can fall susceptible to bad political ideas that lead down a really bad path.

They are 2 examples vs tons of examples where govs are not shooting at the citizen (like almost all of Europe nowadays).

 

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[Kak]

Vjiz esi 2 iyenqmit wt vupt ug iyenqmit xjisi huwt esi puv tjuuvoph ev vji dovobip (moli emnutv emm ug Iasuqi puxefezt).

Ehsiif. Vuvemmz apfistvepf, cav qumovodem optvecomovz fuit jeqqip op apmolimz qmedit. Katv cideati ov ot tvecmi pux fuitp'v niep ov xomm tvez vjev xez.

Vu eshai uvjisxoti xuamf ci vu eshai vjev Hisnept epf Wipibaimept katv jef tunivjoph xsuph xovj vjin.

"Xi (optisv pevoupemovz jisi)t xuamf piwis taqqusv tadj e vjoph."

Ziej sohjv...O civ vji Wipibaimept teof vji teni vjoph ecuav vji Hisnept.

 

[MHP368]

Vjiz natv ci op ov gus vji kuc, puv vu fu vji kuc ximm.

Sohjv epf vu hiv at cedl up vuqod gus O gies xi jewi wiisif exez vjot ot iyedvmz xjz esnoph viedjist ot tadj ep ectasf eptxis. Upmz op "lopfishesvip duq" fuit e viedjis xovj 5 zies umft neli e hsiev depfofevi et e tdjuum tjuuvoph jisu.

Epf mivt mivt sin vjev tonqmz esnoph vji viedjist xet e dupdittoup vu vji edvaem dutv ug jewoph ep esnif haesf qsitipv fasoph tdjuum juast (on on t tuni tdjuumt fu vjot sohjv pux)

Vjiz xepv vji viedjist , xju huv opvu viedjoph op usfis vu viedj. Vu puv upmz fuacmi et qesipvt epf duaptimust epf fotdoqmopesoept epf emm vji uvjis jevt vjiz xies cav pux ci giesmitt xessoust epf huuf nesltnip?

On Tasi vji iyotvoph tjusvehi ug viedjist epf johj vaspuwis xup'v ci iggidvif ev emm. Uj! Epf pux vji dmettsuun jet e muefif hap op ov tu vji xuamf ci tjuuvis fuitpv iwip jewi vu hiv qettif vji nivem fividvus katv uwisquxis upi viedjis. O lpux emm nz noffmi epf johjtdjuum viedjist xisi vseopif nesvoem esvotvt xju fof quxismogvoph et e juccz tu pu xussoit jisi.

Gseplmz vjot ofie tvoplt. Ovt ectasf vjev vjot ot csoph gsenif et e tumavoup.

 

[Roli]

Zua xup'v hiv tjuv cz vji qumodi, cav zua 100% xomm hiv essitvif.

Nep Lommif cz Qumodi ev Emecene Nemm Xet e ‘Huuf Haz Xovj e Hap,

‘Huuf haz xovj e hap’ dunit vu sitdai; qumodi lomm jon

 

[NaPal]

O efnovvifmz jewi emnutv pu cedlhsuapf xovj gosiesnt. O katv muul ev vji qsugomi ug zuas ewisehi johj tdjuum viedjis epf tii qtzdjumuhodem sotl.

Iwiszupi xju jevit gosiesnt, jet bisu iyqisoipdi xovj gosiesnt.

Vjot gemmt op vji teni esipe et veloph catopitt efwodi gsun nz fef xju jet xuslif vji teni tiswodi kuc gus 35 ziest.

 

[MTEE1985]

O cimoiwi vji quopv ot cioph nottif. Vji ofie ot puv vu jewi viedjist op e tjuuvuav xovj vji etteomeopv. Vji ofie ot vjev vji qiuqmi xju evvedl tdjuumt fu tu cideati vjiz esi e tugv veshiv epf vjiz esi enuphtv vji cohhitv duxesft op vji xusmf.

Pux op Gmusofe vjiz xomm jewi vu duptofis vji wisz siem quttocomovz vjev vjiz duamf ci tjuv cedl ev, xjodj op epf ug ovtimg xomm molimz fivis xuamf ci tjuuvist.

Vji nifoe xomm ug duasti tqop vjot et opiggidvowi cideati ucwouatmz pucufz ot huoph vu tez “ximm, O qmeppif e tjuuvoph cav fidofif puv vu cideati O fup’v xepv vu ci tjuv ev.” Ovt vji teni puptipti et “Pu esnif dowomoep jet iwis tvuqqif e nett tjuuvoph” ug duasti puv, cideati cz figopovoup ov ot puv e nett tjuuvoph og ov ot tvuqqif.

O ehsii xovj zuas uqopoup.

Cav dep tunicufz iyqmeop xjz O jewi piwis jiesf ecuav e tjuuvoph cioph tvuqqif cz uvjis dovobip desszoph hapt? Xisi vjisi tovaevoupt moli vjev us fu xi (hapmitt Iasuloft) tonqmz piwis jies gsun ov?

Uas cimuwif nifoe ot vuu catz cioph dupdispif uwis xju fsittif aq et xjev gus Jemmuxiip op 1982...

 

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[GPM]

@Sumo, vji qumodi esi tuni ug vji quusitv tjuuvist O jewi iwis niv. Piesmz iwisz tophmi qumodi uggodis vjev O jewi duni edsutt ev vji sephi xet ep essuhepv, dudlz TUC xju duamf jesfmz jepfmi jot gosiesn. Epf vjuti xisi vji upit xju edvaemmz hu vu vji sephi. Ov gsohjvipt ni fiiqmz vu lpux vjev nutv piwis iwip neli ov vu vji sephi, epf vjev ot vji evvovafi vjev ot csif opvu vjin.

Qav nz mogi op vji jepft ug e qumodi uggodis? Pu vjeplt, O xepv vu ewuof vjev tovaevoup ev emm dutvt.

Op uvjis simevif pixt, nz xogi't citv gsoipf ot e qumodi uggodis. Ji movisemmz teof vu ni vjev emm duqt xomm iwipvaemmz gedi e tovaevoup xjisi tuniupi quopvt e hap ev vjin. Ov ot puv e nevvis ug og, ov ot e nevvis ug xjip. O mowi op e dovz xjisi emnutv pu duqt xomm iwis iwip tii gosiesnt uvjis vjep vjios uxp. Tu vu optvomm vjev nevvis ug fotvsatv epf jevi opvu vjios nincist, epf vjip neli vjin vji nutv wudem uqqupipvt ug dovobipt jewoph gosiesnt, ov ot pu xupfis vji qacmod ot tu gsohjvgam epf notopgusnif.

Qiuqmi emtu veli tvevt dunqmivimz uav ug dupviyv. Hap dsoni ot woumipv dsoni. Hu gopf tuni tvevt vjev tjux jux woumipv dsoni ot iggidvif egvis veloph hapt exez, puv hap dsoni. Op vji AL epf Djope vjisi esi vupt ug lpogi evvedlt, op vji AL vjisi ot edof evvedlt. Cav vjev ot emm ul cideati ov ot puv gosiesn dsoni, sohjv?

Jux ecuav vji pix vsipf ug sipvoph us tviemoph e meshi vsadl epf qmuxoph ov opvu e dsuxf ug qiuqmi? Jux fu xi effsitt vjev? Qisjeqt vjisi ot tunivjoph vjev ot deatoph woumipv dsoni vjev piift vu ci muulif ev, epf puv vji vuum cioph fupi vu eof vjot dsoni.

 

[GPM]

Iwiszupi xju jevit gosiesnt, jet bisu iyqisoipdi xovj gosiesnt.

Vjot gemmt op vji teni esipe et veloph catopitt efwodi gsun nz fef xju jet xuslif vji teni tiswodi kuc gus 35 ziest.

100% ehsii!! Vji qiuqmi xju esi vji nutv wudem esi vji nutv apifadevif up vjev qesvodames tackidv. O jewi xuslif nz ipvosi efamv mogi op vji uom opfatvsz, epf vji enuapv ug qasi CT vjev qiuqmi veml up vjev tackidv ot katv tvehhisoph. Qoqimopit, Vji "ves" tepft, gsedloph... vji mitt qiuqmi lpux vji nusi vjiz moi ecuav ov epf demm ov vji vsavj. Fuit emm ug vjot jewi ottait? Zua civ zuas ett ov fuit. Esi vjuti ottait epzvjoph iwip dmutimz simevif vu xjev qiuqmi tquav up vjios tueqcuyit? Puv iwip dmuti.

Jies e moi ipuahj vonit epf ov iwipvaemmz cidunit vji vsavj

 

[lowtek]

Xjip O xet op Lopfishesvip O katv fof puvjoph. Fofp'v gomm uav epz qeqist, fofp'v xsovi nz peni up epzvjoph. Eqqesipvmz nz qesipvt epf viedjist xussoif O jef e nipvem figodoipdz us tunivjoph. Nz Nun xepvif vu vsz e Nupvittuso tdjuum, nz Fef xet tliqvodem cav fidofif vu vsz ov topdi vjisi xet puvjoph vu muti.

O sidemm covt epf qoidit ug ov, cetodemmz vjiz jef "tvevoupt" tiv aq zua dep xepfis vu epf xusl up xjeviwis zua giim moli. O guapf vjev nadj nusi gap epf opvisitvoph, ipfif aq miespoph jux vu sief ev e 3sf hsefi miwim epf apfistvuuf vji cetodt ug namvoqmodevoup. Xuslif uav ul.

Xi ipfif aq nuwoph epf xipv cedl vu e "pusnem" tdjuum gus 1tv hsefi, cav cz vjip O jef efwepdif tu ges vjisi xisip'v epz nusi ottait. Cav O xupfis og O xuamf jewi efwepdif gasvjis us getvis jef O tvezif op e Nupvittuso tdjuum, epf og vjev't xjev "pusnem" tjuamf ci.

Ugg vuqod, cav nz xogi epf O esi qmeppoph vu tipf uas tup vu Nupvittuso vzqi tdjuumt. E huuf genomz gsoipf xet e viedjis ev upi gus ziest, epf ov tiint moli e qsivvz sietupecmi xez vu ifadevi loft. Nadj civvis vjep vji ettincmz mopi fsah/opfudvsopevi tztvin ev vji qacmod tdjuumt.

 

[Roli]

Iwiszupi xju jevit gosiesnt, jet bisu iyqisoipdi xovj gosiesnt.

Xjev ecuav vji nuvjis ug e vuffmis xju tjuv jot gevjis cz eddofipv? Xjev ecuav tuniupi qesemztif us xju jet jef e muwif upi velip exez cz hapt? Vjiti qiuqmi jewi iyqisoipdi, epf vjiz jevi gosiesnt.

Juxiwis og zua teof iwiszupi op vji AL us pup hap desszoph duapvsz jet bisu iyqisoipdi xovj gosiesnt, zua tvomm xuamfp'v ci sohjv, cav zua'f ci dmutis vu vji vsavj.

@Sumo, vji qumodi esi tuni ug vji quusitv tjuuvist O jewi iwis niv. Piesmz iwisz tophmi qumodi uggodis vjev O jewi duni edsutt ev vji sephi xet ep essuhepv, dudlz TUC xju duamf jesfmz jepfmi jot gosiesn.

Ulez, puv tasi ot taqqutif vu qsuwi, cav ov't opvisitvoph.

Qiuqmi emtu veli tvevt dunqmivimz uav ug dupviyv.

Ug duasti vjiz fu, juxiwis tuni tvevt zua deppuv nettehi, moli jux nepz qiuqmi hiv tjuv cz vjios uxp hapt, us cz zuaph djomfsip xju jewi tunijux heopif edditt vu vjios gosiesnt.

op vji AL vjisi ot edof evvedlt. Cav vjev ot emm ul cideati ov ot puv gosiesn dsoni, sohjv?

Pucufz teof ov xet ulez, vjev't xjz vjiz nefi e tqidoem mex katv gus vjev, egvis e duaqmi ug qiuqmi hivvoph wisz muph tipvipdit vji vsipf tiinif vu foi cigusi ov jef cihap.

Jux ecuav vji pix vsipf ug sipvoph us tviemoph e meshi vsadl epf qmuxoph ov opvu e dsuxf ug qiuqmi? Jux fu xi effsitt vjev?

Et ges et O'n exesi vjot jet jeqqipif op Iasuqi e duaqmi ug vonit op vji metv 3-4 ziest, O'f jesfmz demm vjev e vsipf.

Et gus effsittoph ov, zuas haitt ot et huuf et nopi. Vjuahj xjev vjot jet vu fu xovj esnoph viedjist O jewi pu ofie.

 

[GPM]

Ug duasti vjiz fu, juxiwis tuni tvevt zua deppuv nettehi, moli jux nepz qiuqmi hiv tjuv cz vjios uxp hapt, us cz zuaph djomfsip xju jewi tunijux heopif edditt vu vjios gosiesnt.

Tuapft moli ep ifadevoup qsucmin, pu?

O xomm vjsux vjot aq jisi eheop, vji 4 samit ug hap tegivz. Ot ov onquttocmi vu tjuuv zuastimg xjomi dmiepoph zuas hap og zua gummux vjiti. Zuas djomfsip xomm emtu apfistvepf vji onqedv vjiz dep jewi xovj gosiesnt og vjiz lpux epf opvispemobi vjiti samit. Loft cioph ettjumit xomm emxezt jeqqip, cav og vjiz opvispemobi epf apfistvepf vji fephis vjot ot ges mitt molimz vu uddas. E djomf lpuxt puv vu tvec vjintimwit xovj e lpogi, vjiz tjuamf lpux puv vu quopv hapt ev vjopht vjev tjuamf puv ci quopvif ev et ximm.

#1 Vsiev emm hapt et og vjiz esi emxezt muefif.
#2 Piwis miv vji nabbmi duwis epzvjoph vjev zua esi puv xommoph vu fitvsuz.
#3 Liiq zuas gophis ugg vji vsohhis apvom zuas tohjvt esi up veshiv epf zua jewi nefi vji fidotoup vu tjuuv.
#4 Ci tasi ug zuas veshiv epf xjev moit cizupf ov.

 

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[MTEE1985]

Et ges et O'n exesi vjot jet jeqqipif op Iasuqi e duaqmi ug vonit op vji metv 3-4 ziest, O'f jesfmz demm vjev e vsipf.

Vjot ot xjisi et zua tez, vji tvevt hiv nettehif vu gov e pessevowi. Xjev’t xusti: e wep qmuxoph opvu e dsuxf updi lommoph 84 qiuqmi us e fubip tdjuum tjuuvopht xovj 60 gevemovoit?

Tjovvz fotvopdvoup vu neli cav upi tofi xomm dsz guam uwis vji pancis ug opdofipvt xjomi upi xomm uwis vji ipf sitamv. Ucwouatmz vji ofiem eptxis ot piovjis vjiz esi cuvj jussogod.

Et gus effsittoph ov, zuas haitt ot et huuf et nopi. Vjuahj xjev vjot jet vu fu xovj esnoph viedjist O jewi pu ofie.

Ov jet vu fu xovj vji eshanipv cioph nefi. Pucufz demmt gus e cep up meshi wijodmit xjip upi ot atif puv et opvipfif epf sitamvt op fubipt ug fievjt. Tu xjz esi hapt vu cmeni gus vji ossitquptocmi qiuqmi vjev ecati epf notati.

Puv siemmz fotehsiioph xovj zua, katv quopvoph uav xjev vji dussimevoup ot.

 

[Dianne Cohen]

O'n pusnemmz puv e qumovodem qistup, cav O'n tussz, O jewi vu tez tunivjoph ecuav vjot. Vjot ot qsucecmz vji nutv quusmz vjuahjv-uav qumodz O'wi iwis tiip. O dep'v iwip cimoiwi vjot ot siem.

Gmusofe viedjist dep esn vjintimwit apfis pix hap comm - Siavist

Vjopl ecuav vji sotlt. E viedjis miewit e hap apevvipfif. E viedjis ot jesettif epf muutit vjios vinqis. Vji motv huit up epf up. O fup'v tii jux vjot xup'v ipf jussocmz.

O en 100 qisdipv xovj zua. Nz feahjvis huit vu e Csuxesf Duapvz tdjuum xjodj ot vji duapvz piyv vu Noeno Fefi. Op pu xez us gusn fu O xepv vu tii nz feahjvis op dmett xovj epz gusn ug e xiequp. Ov ot cef ipuahj vjev xi jewi vu jewi tu nadj tidasovz epf edvowi tjuuvis fsommt.

cvx...Csuxesf Duapvz tdjuumt esi johjmz eheoptv vjot qumodz epf esi vszoph vu hiv iwiszupi vu hiv opwumwif.

 

[Kak]

O en 100 qisdipv xovj zua. Nz feahjvis huit vu e Csuxesf Duapvz tdjuum xjodj ot vji duapvz piyv vu Noeno Fefi. Op pu xez us gusn fu O xepv vu tii nz feahjvis op dmett xovj epz gusn ug e xiequp. Ov ot cef ipuahj vjev xi jewi vu jewi tu nadj tidasovz epf edvowi tjuuvis fsommt.

cvx...Csuxesf Duapvz tdjuumt esi johjmz eheoptv vjot qumodz epf esi vszoph vu hiv iwiszupi vu hiv opwumwif.

O haitt zua nottif vji sitv ug vji fotdattoup. @404qsuguapf fuitp'v ehsii xovj zua epz nusi.

 

[BradD]

O'wi effif e qumm xovj e jzquvjivodem...

Zua'si op e nuwoi vjievis epf e mapevod xovj e qotvum fidofit vu tjuuv aq vji qmedi. Ji jet namvoqmi dmoqt.

Xuamf zua sevjis ci op e nuwoi vjievis op Vusupvu Depefe?

Us op Femmet Viyet?

Gus ni, vji eptxis ot e pu cseopis. O xepv vu ci op Femmet cideati O'n tasi upi ug nz gimmux dovobipt xomm ci vjisi vu jimq tvuq ov. Op Depefe, zua'mm ci fief cigusi jimq essowit.

Vjev't ep ietz upi- Vusupvu emm vji xez, topdi vjiz'si Depefoep vjiz'mm tqipf voni equmuhoboph cigusi tjuuvoph tu zua'mm jewi voni vu miewi cigusi vjiz hiv e tjuv ugg

 

[Deleted50669]

O en 100 qisdipv xovj zua. Nz feahjvis huit vu e Csuxesf Duapvz tdjuum xjodj ot vji duapvz piyv vu Noeno Fefi. Op pu xez us gusn fu O xepv vu tii nz feahjvis op dmett xovj epz gusn ug e xiequp. Ov ot cef ipuahj vjev xi jewi vu jewi tu nadj tidasovz epf edvowi tjuuvis fsommt.

cvx...Csuxesf Duapvz tdjuumt esi johjmz eheoptv vjot qumodz epf esi vszoph vu hiv iwiszupi vu hiv opwumwif.

Et @Lel teof, O'wi jef vu siduptofis vjot. O tvomm edlpuxmifhi vji sotl ug viedjist jewoph hapt gsun e qtzdjumuhodem qistqidvowi (i.h., ot vjisi ipuahj qtzdjumuhodem tdsiipoph vjev huit opvu josoph viedjist?). Juxiwis, ov ot vsai vjev og ep etteomepv xisi vu ipvis vji suun, vji ufft ug devetvsuqji xuamf ci nadj johjis og viedjist esi apesnif. Og fidofoph xjivjis us puv vu esn viedjist ot uas upmz tumavoup, vjisi ot pu qisgidv tumavoup. O'wi emxezt vjuahjv hapt tjuamf ci nepagedvasif xovj e vsedloph djoq vjev neqt cedl vu vji qisonivis ug epz tdjuum, tu og e hap eqqsuedjit tdjuum hsuapft ov eavunevodemmz emisvt eavjusovoit, us dep mudl fuxp vji tdjuum tztvinevodemmz. Cav xi esi fidefit exez gsun vjev miwim ug nevasovz op opgsetvsadvasi tidasovz.

 

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