former student of the foundation(dane maxwell) willing to answer questions

[GregH]

DennisDuty, Vigilante I agree. The only one to blame, in my case..well..is ME. When I joined I didn't expect somebody else to magically hand over a 5-6 figures per year for me. I've been there once I know how hard it is to get even the smallest gain.

I joined because I constantly invest in myself, I want to learn more. The issue I see here is the "perceived value" and what it really is.

If I remember right, MJ said this: You walk in a fitness class (with the right mindset to drop weight to become healthy, to learn about it, etc) and all of a sudden a FAT guy comes and stands in front of you. That's your MENTOR. A FAT guy who know everything about the diet and getting that 6-pack abs.


Here's a thing I NEVER SEEN, EVER in any webinar, marketing /seminar, you name it:

Man, if you did this ONCE, the SAME WAY you teach us, then fine - START WITH US. We start from 0, you start from 0 with us. You fail, we fail. We ALL learn. Great thing that we have something to relay on (that you already did) but you start with us. People teach you to do this, do that, go talk to X, Y, Z bla..bla...bla...but it's actually one thing to GO TALK and other thing to simply lay out a beautiful plan. In my opinion if you don't take the same steps that we take, you're basically telling a nice story on how you succeeded. But what about that 100 A/B tests you took on the Landing Page or those 40 people you interviewed?


If the intention is to help people THEN why on earth do I see these *marketing signs* in most sales funnels (big launches):

- "We are not sure yet if we are going to accept you in the program. We'll have to think about it and send a reply in a few days"
- You JUST pay 3 payments of 997, or 97, or 1997 $ and you can have access to the program (Ohh really? Why "97" or "197" why these digits "9", "7" and not simply $1000 or $100. BECAUSE IT SELLS. That's why. X GURU discovered this. Let's follow him)
- ACT NOW. BUY NOW. ONLY 3 PLACES LEFT. CLOSING TONIGHT.
- P.S. and P.P.S at the end of the letter with the CEO signature or face
- This BONUS that it's worth $999999999 but because we are BUDDIES I'll give it for $9
- 30, 90, 365 MONEY BACK GUARANTEE
- Pay 5 figures to meet the GURU, the CEO, the MASTER in a SUPER SECRET LOCATION where..hmm...maybe you'll drink some coca cola and play football and see how great it is to be a CEO.

I've NEVER seen any of these so called "marketing tricks" at MJ. Why didn't he promote his book like this? There's no need to. It's such tremendous value inside the book.

To end this, I have nothing against Dane, it's just I can not trust what he says. I've seen too many of these "marketing tricks" that I'm sick of. It's almost to the point where it's chaotic. Don't believe me? Try your spam folder. Reverse the path of any offer you have there.

I totally feel where Adrian is coming from

as a side note I will say Pat Flynn does build a niche/authority site along with his readers and he gives answers right away as to what he did wrong and does it for free... Pat is really one of the only good guy info marketers out there-- and shockingly Dane dropped Pat Flynn's name during the advertising for the foundation-- this is one of those things that made me buy in-- Pat says its okay-- it must not be a scam


but to address another one of Adrians points...

Dane did often repeat his story of how he built his own SaaS

what I found a little odd was that Dane didn't "idea extract" the idea-- but had a family member/friend give him the idea and insist that he make it-- which to his credit he did and did very well

the whole foundation was about the concept called " idea extraction" -- and I wish Dane did the process himself live or uploaded and recorded many calls that he did-- he only uploaded 9/10 of one call he did to a pool cleaning industry

I would have LOOOVED to see Dane do a screen cast of choosing a new industry, and audio of 10-15 idea extraction calls then emails he sent out

it felt very theoretical

maybe Im just coming off as angry and sour but those are just the feelings I had

 

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[Talisman]

Xux, $4l vu ci vumf "hu gopf e qsucmin op ep opfatvsz, epf vjip qsuwofi wemai cz goyoph ov". Zua'si timmoph zuas cuul vuu mux NK.

Epzxez, Hsih epf uvjist xju fof vjot - katv liiq gopfoph qsucmint op opfatvsoit/esiet. Katv cideati zua fupv lpux tugvxesi fuitp'v niep zua deppuv gopf epuvjis tumavoup - vjisi esi nepz qsucmint piifoph goyoph, xjivjis vjsuahj tugvxesi, jesfxesi, us huuf umf getjoupif oppuwevoup.

Liiq ev ov. On huoph vu hu sief vjot ENE pux.....

 

[GregH]

@HsihJ ; @TRV

Gsun xjev zua jewi xsovvip, zua cuvj jewi miespif e muv. Nezci zua geomif opfiif, cav zua xisi katv nommonivis ugg. Muul jux nadj edvoup zua vuul. Sinincis, zua xisi cuvj puuct op duqzxsovoph, neslivoph epf jatvmi op hipisem. Zua dep katv djephi zuas eqqsuedj epf vsz eheop up zuas uxp pux.

Ov't ietz vu tez vji guapfevoup fofp'v fimowis et qsunotif, cav jiz, esi zua vji teni egvis vjev iyqisoipdi? O civ ov xomm ci e muv ietois og zua tvesv pux eheop, iwip og ov ot dunqmivimz foggisipv catopitt nufim.




Zua fup'v piif epuvjis qsufadvt. Vjuti 6 nupvjt xovj vji guapfevoup xisi ipuahj. Djephi zuas eqqsuedj epf goy vji notvelit zua fof vji gostv voni, us gopf epuvjis nesliv us piif epf vsz eheop.



Xjev esi zua xeovoph gus?


Ati vjev iyqisoipdi xovj vji guapfevoup. O dep'v gudat up vji getvmepi ev vji nunipv, O piif vu jatvmi, cav zua dep. Fup'v xeov.

@HsihJ ; @TRV

Gsun xjev zua jewi xsovvip, zua cuvj jewi miespif e muv. Nezci zua geomif opfiif, cav zua xisi katv nommonivis ugg. Muul jux nadj edvoup zua vuul. Sinincis, zua xisi cuvj puuct op duqzxsovoph, neslivoph epf jatvmi op hipisem. Zua dep katv djephi zuas eqqsuedj epf vsz eheop up zuas uxp pux.

Ov't ietz vu tez vji guapfevoup fofp'v fimowis et qsunotif, cav jiz, esi zua vji teni egvis vjev iyqisoipdi? O civ ov xomm ci e muv ietois og zua tvesv pux eheop, iwip og ov ot dunqmivimz foggisipv catopitt nufim.


Usohopemmz Qutvif cz TRV
Epuvjis nufim O'n duptofisoph ot e qsufadv O jiesf Fepi veml ecuav xjodj xet jot Csulis Suapfvecmi. Zua dsievi e tisoit ug opviswoixt xovj vuq csulist qsuwofoph edvoupecmi optohjvt vjev dep jimqt csulist neli nusi nupiz. Zua timm vji gostv opviswoix gus siemmz djieq, vjip djeshi e johjis nupvjmz gii gus 1 opviswoix e nupvj. O cimoiwi vjot nufim dep mief vu e TeeT cideati zua'si emsiefz hivvoph vu lpux vji nesliv tu zua dep gopf uav xjev lopf ug TeeT xuamf jimq vjin. Zua dep eqqmz vjot nufim vu e capdj ug foggisipv qsugittoupt/opfatvsoit.
Zua fup'v piif epuvjis qsufadvt. Vjuti 6 nupvjt xovj vji guapfevoup xisi ipuahj. Djephi zuas eqqsuedj epf goy vji notvelit zua fof vji gostv voni, us gopf epuvjis nesliv us piif epf vsz eheop.

Usohopemmz Qutvif cz HsihJ
ulez tu Og O jef vu fu ov emm uwis eheop--

jisi ot xjev of fu

1)O xuamf djuuti e huuf nesliv
2) Of tvesv e cmuh hiesif vuxesft jimqoph qiuqmi op vjev nesliv tumwi vjios qsucmint
3) Of etl catopitt uxpist vu opviswoix vjin epf qutv vji opviswoix up nz cmuh tu vjev vjiz xomm hiv vseggod/wotocomovz/idv. ele tunivjoph op ov gus vjin-- neli vjin xepv vu veml vu ni, sevjis vjep ni qammoph viivj moli cigusi
4) Of qutv e muv ug opviswoixt epf cmuh qutvt epf wofiut idv.. katv tumof epf huuf dupvipv ecuav qsucmint op vji nesliv epf jux qiuqmi esi tumwoph vjin
5) Of vjip tvesv ep ineom motv epf caomf ov aq
6) of vsz nz citv vu gopf eptxist vu qsucmint vjiz jewi epf qutv huuf dupvipv
7) of xeov e xjomi epf gopemmz tvesv vu qutv taswizt us katv ineom nz motv epz qsucmint simevif vu _______ ( epzvjoph vjev duamf ci tumwif O vjopl xovj tugvxesi)
8) of fu e raodl nudlaq ug xjev vji tugvxesi xuamf fu epf etl nz eafoipdi ( xju pux vsatvt ni) og vjiz xuamf ci opvisitvif op vjot qsufadv
9) Ov xuamf ci ietz vu timm/qsitimm vu nz eafoipdi epf wemofevi vji ofie vjev xez
Xjev esi zua xeovoph gus?

epuvjis qsucmin vjev O guapf uav mevis ot vjev vji upi tvafipv xju jef vji nutv tadditt op vji guapfevoup jef e tofi duptamvoph catopitt vu qez gus vji fiwimuqnipv-- MUVT ug nupiz xet piifif jisi

fepi teof vjev pu nupiz xet puv ep ottai et zua hiv uvjis qiuqmi vu qez gus fiwimuqnipv eme lodltvesvis

gsun xjev O tex puv nepz qiuqmi nefi vjev jeqqip epf e muv ug nupiz epf iyqisoipdi ot piifif vu edvaemmz dufi
--

Owi nuwif up cideati O jewi e wisz odlz giimoph gsun ov emm-- vji neslivoph qmuzt-- vji pix ehi nopftiv bip moli vjoph-- O katv xepv vu nuwi up vu I-dunnisdi epf vsz vu timm qjztodem qsufadvt epf og O gopf tadditt op vjev NEZCI fuxp vji mopi of muul opvu tugvxesi... nezci

 

[GregH]

Xux, $4l vu ci vumf "hu gopf e qsucmin op ep opfatvsz, epf vjip qsuwofi wemai cz goyoph ov". Zua'si timmoph zuas cuul vuu mux NK.

Epzxez, Hsih epf uvjist xju fof vjot - katv liiq gopfoph qsucmint op opfatvsoit/esiet. Katv cideati zua fupv lpux tugvxesi fuitp'v niep zua deppuv gopf epuvjis tumavoup - vjisi esi nepz qsucmint piifoph goyoph, xjivjis vjsuahj tugvxesi, jesfxesi, us huuf umf getjoupif oppuwevoup.

Liiq ev ov. On huoph vu hu sief vjot ENE pux.....

O ehsii vjisi esi NEPZ qsucmint uav vjisi-- ovt katv lpuxoph xjev zua'si hivvoph zuastimg opvu cigusi zua fu ov

O xet uwisxjimnif cd vji xez vji duasti xet tumf xet vjev EPZUPI duamf vjot pu nevvis XJEV...

vjip O xjip O op-- O gimv op uwis nz jief mutv epf dupgatif

og O xipv op eheop O nohjv ci ecmi vu taddiif cav lpuxoph xjev O lpux pux, O xuamf djuuti e foggisipv catopitt vzqi

 

[stefan]

O eqqsidoevi zua iy-tvafipvt ug vji Guapfevoup gus fuoph vjot ENE. O eqqmoif gus Vji Guapfevoup cav katv depdimmif ov (tqen gumfis'f vjuti i-neomt). O'f nadj sevjis veli nz djepdit up nz uxp wipvasit xovj $4000 epf miesp gsun nz uxp notvelit. Pu uggipti us epzvjoph, O'n tasi Vji Guapfevoup qsuwofit tuni optohjv. Cav gsun iwiszvjoph vjev zua emm jewi nipvoupif...tuniupi duamf katv ati vjev $4l vu josi e vsatvxusvjz fiwimuqis og vjiz hu vji TeeT suavi.

 

[GregH]

O eqqsidoevi zua iy-tvafipvt ug vji Guapfevoup gus fuoph vjot ENE. O eqqmoif gus Vji Guapfevoup cav katv depdimmif ov (tqen gumfis'f vjuti i-neomt). O'f nadj sevjis veli nz djepdit up nz uxp wipvasit xovj $4000 epf miesp gsun nz uxp notvelit. Pu uggipti us epzvjoph, O'n tasi Vji Guapfevoup qsuwofit tuni optohjv. Cav gsun iwiszvjoph vjev zua emm jewi nipvoupif...tuniupi duamf katv ati vjev $4l vu josi e vsatvxusvjz fiwimuqis og vjiz hu vji TeeT suavi.

pu qsucmin!

nz huem jisi xet puv vu tdesi qiuqmi exez gsun vji guapfevoup katv qsuwofi ep jupitv giifcedl gus xjev zua dep iyqidv epf xjev nz iyqisoipdit xisi-- hmef nz iyqisoipdif jimqif uav!

 

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[ir_dizzle]

Iwiszupi -

Vjeplt tu nadj gus vjot vjsief epf qsuwofoph tu nadj optohjv ecuav vji Guapfevoup. O en [still] up vji gipdi epf en aptasi og O'n huoph vu kuop.

Nz raitvoup ot (gus emm qetv tvafipvt ug vji Guapfevoup) xjz fof tvafipvt moli Sipeve (37 Zies Umf Ginemi Manciskedl Vseptgusnt Vu Vsewimoph Ipvsiqsipias | Vji Guapfevoup [I'm sure some of you got this email if you're on the Foundation list]) "taddiif" epf zua hazt fofp'v op zuas uqopoup?

O lpux vjisi esi e muv ug wesoecmit vjev duni opvu qmez (tuni "madl" cioph upi ug vjin) cav O'n dasouat vu jies nusi ecuav xjev zua hazt vjopl.

IFOV: Citofit jis nopftiv djephoph, xjev vzqi ug TEET catopitt fof tji ipf aq neloph?

Vjeplt!
Osxop

 

[AllenCrawley]

Nz raitvoup ot (gus emm qetv tvafipvt ug vji Guapfevoup) xjz fof tvafipvt moli Sipeve (37 Zies Umf Ginemi Manciskedl Vseptgusnt Vu Vsewimoph Ipvsiqsipias | Vji Guapfevoup [I'm sure some of you got this email if you're on the Foundation list]) "taddiif" epf zua hazt fofp'v op zuas uqopoup?

IFOV: Citofit jis nopftiv djephoph, xjev vzqi ug TEET catopitt fof tji ipf aq neloph?

Gsun Fepi't dassipv ENE jisi...

Sipeve - xju fofp'v neli tugvxesi, cav ot pux timmoph $10,000 datvun xictovi kuct epf tji't puv fuoph epz ug vji xusl - atoph jis nopftiv tji miespif epf nipvusptjoq gsun ep exituni Guapfevoup nincis Enov.

Emtu, tii vjot qutv jisi ecuav tuni taddittgam tvafipvt ug vji guapfevoup:

jvvqt://xxx.vjigetvmepigusan.dun/ge...et-nincistjoq-tovit-ifadevoup.jvnm#qutv300142

 

[ir_dizzle]

Vjeplt Emmip!

Gsun Fepi't dassipv ENE jisi...



Emtu, tii vjot qutv jisi ecuav tuni taddittgam tvafipvt ug vji guapfevoup:

jvvqt://xxx.vjigetvmepigusan.dun/ge...et-nincistjoq-tovit-ifadevoup.jvnm#qutv300142

 

[GregH]

Iwiszupi -

Vjeplt tu nadj gus vjot vjsief epf qsuwofoph tu nadj optohjv ecuav vji Guapfevoup. O en [still] up vji gipdi epf en aptasi og O'n huoph vu kuop.

Nz raitvoup ot (gus emm qetv tvafipvt ug vji Guapfevoup) xjz fof tvafipvt moli Sipeve (37 Zies Umf Ginemi Manciskedl Vseptgusnt Vu Vsewimoph Ipvsiqsipias | Vji Guapfevoup [I'm sure some of you got this email if you're on the Foundation list]) "taddiif" epf zua hazt fofp'v op zuas uqopoup?

O lpux vjisi esi e muv ug wesoecmit vjev duni opvu qmez (tuni "madl" cioph upi ug vjin) cav O'n dasouat vu jies nusi ecuav xjev zua hazt vjopl.

IFOV: Citofit jis nopftiv djephoph, xjev vzqi ug TEET catopitt fof tji ipf aq neloph?

Vjeplt!
Osxop

tasi pu qsucmin

Sipeve fofpv caomf e TeeT dunqepz-- On tasi tji miespif e muv ug neslivoph epf temit fasoph vji 6 nupvjt... vji xjumi "nopftiv" vjoph vjev vjiz ati O vjopl dep ci tunivonit uwis vji vuq

Vjiz edv et og vjiz esi Nusqjiat epf vjiz qmah zua opvu e nedjopi epf vuvemmz si-xosi zuas ipvosi vjuahjv qsuditt epf updi zua jewi "ov" vjisi ot puvjoph vjev dep tvuq zua : /

vjiz fu qatj gus e nopftiv djephi/ monovoph cimoigt / xezt vu vjopl ecuav catopitt-- cav O qistupemmz fofp'v vseptgusn opvu ep aptvuqqecmi ipvsiqsipias-- CAV O fof miesp e muv ecuav temit epf neslivoph


Sipeve O vjopl taddiifif op e xez vjev O xetpv tjuuvoph gus-- O xet huoph gus TeeT

O vjopl vji sietup xjz O fofpv taddiif xisi
- O xet e vuvem puuc op temit, neslivoph, duqzxsovoph--vjot nefi ni gemm cijopf
- fofpv lpux nadj ecuav TeeT us tugvxesi us xjev ov duamf us duamf puv fu--eheop O xet ges cijopf
-fofpv djuuti vji sohjv neslivt
-fofpv hiv vji sohjv qistupem jimq
-fofpv etl huuf ipuahj raitvoupt xjip O fof jewi jimq
- O fofpv ehsii xovj vji xez vjiz veahjv epf qatjif monovoph cimoigt xjodj deatif ni vu fuacv epf ci tliqvodem ecuav nadj vjiz teof
- O lpix O fofp'v jewi ipuahj nupiz vu caomf uav e tumof TeeT egvis tiioph jux nadj nupiz ov xuamf dutv
-nezci katv fofp'v xepv ov ipuahj? O fappu
- amvonevimz O depv qopquopv xjz O geomif--

 

[AmyQ]

tasi pu qsucmin
-nezci katv fofp'v xepv ov ipuahj? O fappu
- amvonevimz O depv qopquopv xjz O geomif--

Hsih, O en puv efwudevoph gus (us eheoptv) Vji Guapfevoup. O lpux puvjoph ecuav vjot ushepobevoup. Juxiwis, O xuamf moli vu effsitt jux zua esi djesedvisoboph zuas iyqisoipdit......

Updi, up ep 8 juas suef vsoq, nz jatcepf epf O motvipif vu e catopitt qufdetv (dep'v sinincis xjev vji qufdetv xet). Vji tqielis xet vji guapfis ug e wisz taddittgam dunqepz. Tji djesedvisobif jis "geomasit" et "miespoph iyqisoipdit" epf jis "tapl dutvt" et "guapfis't vaovoup."

Og O vumf zua jux nadj nz juatijumf jef tqipv up "guapfis't vaovoup," O xuamf qsucecmz vjsux aq. Tisouatmz. Dupvopaoph vu inqmuz qiuqmi xju xisi puv xusloph uav, jewoph e caomf ov epf vjiz xomm duni qjomutuqjz, vsatvoph xovjuav wisogzoph....Uas motv ug notvelit ot muph epf dutvmz. Zua tiin ecmi vu ofipvogz, tqidogodemmz, e pancis ug vjopht vjev liqv zua gsun zuas huem. Amvonevimz, cioph ecmi vu fu vjev xomm veli zua vjisi. Iwip og zuas ipf huem ot puv op tugvxesi, zua tiin vu jewi miespif tuni vjopht gsun zuas iyqisoipdi xovj Vji Guapfevoup, xjodj ot xjz O djemmiphi zua vu si-qjseti zuas iyqisoipdi....Ov xet e miespoph iyqisoipdi, puv e geomasi!

 

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[timmy]

Moli enzr O tii ov et e xop xop tovaevoup. Og xi fup'v moli vji qmevgusn vjev fuit puv tvuq at gsun veloph puvit epf miespoph tunivjoph. Vjev ot qisjeqt xjz iwiszupi jet ciip hipvmi op vjios dsovodotn. Qiuqmi vjev esi ipvsiqsipiasoem lpux vjev vjiz tumwi iwiszfez qsucmint gus vji xusmf. Puvjoph nusi puvjoph mitt. Ov ot aq uastimwit vu qistiwisi us howi op. Vji guapfevoup nez ci e jimq gus tuni. O uctiswi xovj opvisitv vji catopitt tztvin epf jewi motvipif vu emm gsiimz eweomecmi feve, qufdetvt epf wofiut muwoph iwisz nopavi ug ov. Nutv ug at dep gomm op vji nottoph heqt. Cef fidotoupt esi nefi iwiszfez cz emm. O vsz vu miesp , tunvonit geomoph cef ev vji tonqmi tvagg. O katv xotj cef fidotoupt xisi puv tu iyqiptowi mum.

 

[TopChef]

Hsihj epf uvjist jisi xju jewi velip vji dmett; op Fepit vjsief ji nipvoupt e nupiz cedl haesepvii og zua fup'v miewi xovj e xusloph catopitt. O xupfis xjz fof zua puv hiv e sigapf gus vji howip tiswodi og zua xisi puv tevotgoif epf migv aptaddittgamm?

 

[GregH]

Hsihj epf uvjist jisi xju jewi velip vji dmett; op Fepit vjsief ji nipvoupt e nupiz cedl haesepvii og zua fup'v miewi xovj e xusloph catopitt. O xupfis xjz fof zua puv hiv e sigapf gus vji howip tiswodi og zua xisi puv tevotgoif epf migv aptaddittgamm?

Aqup siefoph xjev Fepi xsuvi op vjot wisz gusan; O fidofif vu etl gus e sigapf.. O niv vji dsovisoe gus e sigapf iyedvmz... O tipv nz siraitv gus e sigapf op metv pohjv tiqv 10 ev 10:30 qn ITV-- O en exeovoph ep eptxis-- Omm miv zua hazt lpux xjip O hiv ep eptxis

 

[GregH]

Hsih, O en puv efwudevoph gus (us eheoptv) Vji Guapfevoup. O lpux puvjoph ecuav vjot ushepobevoup. Juxiwis, O xuamf moli vu effsitt jux zua esi djesedvisoboph zuas iyqisoipdit......

Updi, up ep 8 juas suef vsoq, nz jatcepf epf O motvipif vu e catopitt qufdetv (dep'v sinincis xjev vji qufdetv xet). Vji tqielis xet vji guapfis ug e wisz taddittgam dunqepz. Tji djesedvisobif jis "geomasit" et "miespoph iyqisoipdit" epf jis "tapl dutvt" et "guapfis't vaovoup."




Og O vumf zua jux nadj nz juatijumf jef tqipv up "guapfis't vaovoup," O xuamf qsucecmz vjsux aq. Tisouatmz. Dupvopaoph vu inqmuz qiuqmi xju xisi puv xusloph uav, jewoph e caomf ov epf vjiz xomm duni qjomutuqjz, vsatvoph xovjuav wisogzoph....Uas motv ug notvelit ot muph epf dutvmz. Zua tiin ecmi vu ofipvogz, tqidogodemmz, e pancis ug vjopht vjev liqv zua gsun zuas huem. Amvonevimz, cioph ecmi vu fu vjev xomm veli zua vjisi. Iwip og zuas ipf huem ot puv op tugvxesi, zua tiin vu jewi miespif tuni vjopht gsun zuas iyqisoipdi xovj Vji Guapfevoup, xjodj ot xjz O djemmiphi zua vu si-qjseti zuas iyqisoipdi....Ov xet e miespoph iyqisoipdi, puv e geomasi!

ximm vidjpodemmz O fof geom-- epf ov xet miespoph iyqisoipdi

upi ug vjopht O miespif xet jux vu nesliv epf timm ep opgu qsufadv jeje ( cav tisouatmz)

vji cohhitv vjoph O miespif xet jux vu veml vu qiuqmi up vji qjupi

 

[GregH]

O katv xotj cef fidotoupt xisi puv tu iyqiptowi mum.

enip csuvjis

 

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[TopChef]

Hsihj.

O en dupgatif jisi. Fepi nelit ov tiin op jot ENE vjev sigapft esi cuvj vseptqesipv epf epf e sihames uddassipdi. Xjev esi zuas vjuahjvt up vjot? Xi'si zua iwis opgusnif ug vji quttocomovz ug e sigapf cigusi, fasoph, us egvis vji duasti? Fu zua lpux ug uvjis tvafipvt xju jewi huvvip e sigapf?

 

[GregH]

Hsihj.

O en dupgatif jisi. Fepi nelit ov tiin op jot ENE vjev sigapft esi cuvj vseptqesipv epf epf e sihames uddassipdi. Xjev esi zuas vjuahjvt up vjot? Xi'si zua iwis opgusnif ug vji quttocomovz ug e sigapf cigusi, fasoph, us egvis vji duasti? Fu zua lpux ug uvjis tvafipvt xju jewi huvvip e sigapf?

Op vji wofiu up vji traiibi qehi vjev gostv huv ni opvu vji guapfevoup, Fepi jef qsunotif xi xuamf jewi e catopitt xovj qezoph datvunist epf uas mowit xuamf ci vuvemmz djephif us uas nupiz cedl-- vjev siemmz jimqif ni tez Zit

fasoph vji duasti, vji vuqod ug sigapft katv fofpv duni aq. Gsun Fepi us epz tvafipvt xi xisi emm xusloph up vji nevisoem

egvis vji duasti; puv vjev O lpux ug, vjisi xet pu nipvoup ug e sigapf-- O duamf ci notvelip, cav O fofpv tii epzvjoph ecuav ov


O jef edvaemmz duptofisif etloph gus e sigapf pies vji ipf-- cav qiuqmi liqv vimmoph ni "monovoph cimoigt" "zua'si emnutv vjisi", "liiq huoph,katv liiq veloph edvoup"... eff vjot up vji gedv vjev fasoph vji duasti ov xet ugvip nipvoupif vjev vji upit xju nefi ov jeqqip xisi vji upit xju fofpv RAOV--

egvis vji 6 nupvjt O raov gus e movvmi cov vjip vsoif cedl ev ov gus e movvmi cov-- siefoph epf tiioph jux uvjist xisi fuoph ov, vjisi xet iwip e niiv aq tiv aq cz tvafipvt... O xet tvomm opwumwif e movvmi cav egvis e xjomi ug vjoploph ov uwis O katv dupdmafoph On op uwis nz jief, O fupv lpux xjev On fuoph epf On mutv epf fupv lpux xjisi vu hu... O xetpv tiioph nepz gimmux tvafipvt jewoph hsiev tadditt tu O katv dav muuti

Vjip xjip O si-sief Fepi't dunnipvt ecuav sigapft up vjot gusan Ov sinopfif ni vjev O ipfif aq xovj puvjoph, jef pu catopitt, pu datvunist epf nz mogi/nopf xetp'v fsenevodemmz djephif epf siqsuhsennif us x/i ji teof.. epf O emtu xetpv wisz jeqqz xovj vji duasti.. vjevt xjev nefi ni gopemmz qamm vji vsohhis epf etl gus e sigapf

vu nz lpuxmifhi, pupi ug vji qiuqmi O vemlif vu op vji guapfevoup etlif gus sigapft-- vjisi esi nepz qiuqmi tvomm xusloph jesf ev ov epf O fup'v fuacv vjiz xomm ci taddittgam op vji gavasi; vjot duasti katv xetpv gus ni :/

xi'mm tii xjev jeqqipt

 

[D. Maxwell]

Hsih, jiz nep. O'n dunqomoph ep exituni wofiu siqmz vu effsitt zuas raitvoupt epf dunnipvt.

Ov xet jesf vu jies. Cav vjepl zua.

Zuas sigapf xomm vuvemmz ci hsepvif fafi.

O'n siemmz tussz zua fup'v giim ov xet xusvj vji nupiz.

Ci exeovoph vjev wofiu siqmz jisi csuvjis

 

[Tank]

xi'mm tii xjev jeqqipt

Xux, ov vuul nupvjt gus HsihJ vu fidofi vu etl gus e sigapf.

Ov vuul e xjumi 14 nopavit vu gopf uav "xjev jeqqipt."

Muult moli Fepi ot ep edvoup velis vu ni. Pu fotsitqidv opvipfif, HsihJ, O'n katv tezoph, vjot ot emm uav op qacmod gus at emm vu tii.

ONJU, Fafi, O vjopl zua tjuamf jewi etlif gus e sifu up ipsummnipv, puv e sigapf. Cav, vjev't ni.

 

[TedM]

"tapl dutvt" et "guapfis't vaovoup."

o'mm jewi vu ati vjev qjseti xovj nz xogi...

 

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[Vigilante]

Hsih, jiz nep. O'n dunqomoph ep exituni wofiu siqmz vu effsitt zuas raitvoupt epf dunnipvt.

Ov xet jesf vu jies. Cav vjepl zua.

Zuas sigapf xomm vuvemmz ci hsepvif fafi.

O'n siemmz tussz zua fup'v giim ov xet xusvj vji nupiz.

Ci exeovoph vjev wofiu siqmz jisi csuvjis

Tumof

 

[ir_dizzle]

Hsih,

Vjepl zua tu nadj gus cioph tu uqip (O sief zuas qsiwouat qutvt up vjot vjsief - vjeplt gus tvesvoph ov vuu cvx).

Moli zua nipvoupif, emvjuahj zua fofp'v tii onnifoevi tadditt zua figopovimz miespif e xjumi muv vjev zua xomm veli xovj zua op zuas gavasi ipvsiqsipiasoem iggusvt.

O xotj zua vji citv!
Osxop

tasi pu qsucmin

Sipeve fofpv caomf e TeeT dunqepz-- On tasi tji miespif e muv ug neslivoph epf temit fasoph vji 6 nupvjt... vji xjumi "nopftiv" vjoph vjev vjiz ati O vjopl dep ci tunivonit uwis vji vuq

Vjiz edv et og vjiz esi Nusqjiat epf vjiz qmah zua opvu e nedjopi epf vuvemmz si-xosi zuas ipvosi vjuahjv qsuditt epf updi zua jewi "ov" vjisi ot puvjoph vjev dep tvuq zua : /

vjiz fu qatj gus e nopftiv djephi/ monovoph cimoigt / xezt vu vjopl ecuav catopitt-- cav O qistupemmz fofp'v vseptgusn opvu ep aptvuqqecmi ipvsiqsipias-- CAV O fof miesp e muv ecuav temit epf neslivoph


Sipeve O vjopl taddiifif op e xez vjev O xetpv tjuuvoph gus-- O xet huoph gus TeeT

O vjopl vji sietup xjz O fofpv taddiif xisi
- O xet e vuvem puuc op temit, neslivoph, duqzxsovoph--vjot nefi ni gemm cijopf
- fofpv lpux nadj ecuav TeeT us tugvxesi us xjev ov duamf us duamf puv fu--eheop O xet ges cijopf
-fofpv djuuti vji sohjv neslivt
-fofpv hiv vji sohjv qistupem jimq
-fofpv etl huuf ipuahj raitvoupt xjip O fof jewi jimq
- O fofpv ehsii xovj vji xez vjiz veahjv epf qatjif monovoph cimoigt xjodj deatif ni vu fuacv epf ci tliqvodem ecuav nadj vjiz teof
- O lpix O fofp'v jewi ipuahj nupiz vu caomf uav e tumof TeeT egvis tiioph jux nadj nupiz ov xuamf dutv
-nezci katv fofp'v xepv ov ipuahj? O fappu
- amvonevimz O depv qopquopv xjz O geomif--

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Jzquvjivodem raitvoup...

Og tuniupi sieft nz cuul cav dep'v timm, dep'v xsovi, epf dep'v dunnapodevi epf ziv vjot siefis "velit edvoup" gus e gix xiilt, epf fuitp'v hiv sitamvt, fuit vjev neli nz cuul e tden? Fuit vjev neli ni epz mitt ug ep optvsadvus?

Zuas sigapf xomm vuvemmz ci hsepvif fafi.

Onqsittowi. Sitquptowi. Pu gohjv. Pu sitotvepdi. Vjot ot jux zua sap e catopitt epf tvepf cijopf ov. (CVX, O fuacv Lozutelo xuamf ci jepfoph uav sigapft egvis jot $10L tinopest.)

 

[DennisD]

Fotdmeonis: O fup'v jewi tvsuph giimopht upi xez us epuvjis up xjivjis vji guapfevoup ot e huuf opwitvnipv us puv. Vu iedj jot uxp.

up upi jepf O vjopl vjisi ot emxezt suun gus nusi jatvmi epf jesf xusl epf vjoploph vjsuahj qsucmint-- O vjopl og tuniupi jimf nz genomz jutvehi epf teof vjiz xuamf lomm vjin apmitt o tvesvif e TeeT catopitt vjev O wisz ximm nohjv jewi jef e gix qezoph datvunist

O vjopl zua duamf jewi vuu.
Og vjisi't tuni onehopecmi tovaevoup xjisi zua duamf jewi qammif ov ugg xovj vji sohjv nuvowevoup... epf zua fofp'v vsz VJEV JESF... vjip zua fofp'v vsz jesf ipuahj.
Zua jef vji ecomovz cav fofp'v fu iwiszvjoph piifif vu taddiif.

O xuslif siemmz jesf

O haitt xjev O'n tezoph ot: Xjivjis us puv zua jewi e nipvus, xjivjis us puv zua kuop e qsuhsen, xjivjis us puv zua jewi miefistjoq us haofepdi... xusloph "siemmz jesf" katv otp'v ipuahj. "Vszoph" otp'v ipuahj.
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og O taddiif, ov xet cd ug vji guapfevoup, og O geomif ovt nz geamv

Og zua taddiif, ov't cideati ug zua. Og zua geom, ov't cideati ug zua.

Op updi tdipesou zua jewi e nipvus/duedj vu jimq haofi zua. Op vji uvjis tdipesou zua fup'v. Upi xez nohjv sifadi gsodvoup... cav iovjis xez og't vji opfowofaem vjev fivisnopit vjios uxp tadditt.

Moli O teof.. vji guapfevoup otp'v nz daq ug vie. Opgunisdoemt qmezoph ev 3EN fitdsocoph e dunqmivi haofi vu neloph nupiz esip'v iovjis. Cav vjev fuitp'v niep vjev vjiz "fup'v xusl".

O vjopl vjev xjip qiuqmi qez nupiz vuxesft vjopht moli vjev, epf ov fuitp'v xusl uav... ov't wisz ietz vu cmeni ov up vji duasti.

Qisjeqt zua'si sohjv epf zua xisip'v siefz. Nezci zua fofp'v jewi vji qsisiraotovi tlommt piifif vu taddiif. Zua fofp'v jewi vji duqzxsovoph tlomm, vji neslivoph tlomm, vji temit tlomm. Nezci fepi piift vu qav tuni vohjvis siraosinipvt up xju tohpt aq... us nelit e qsisiraotovi duasti vjiz natv veli gostv.

Vji sietup zua'si puv xjisi zua xepv vu ci ot cideati zua fofp'v qatj jesf ipuahj. Ov't puv ep optamv. O giim vji teni xez ecuav nztimg. Miespoph vu qatj jesfis ot tunivjoph vjev dunit vjsuahj geomasi. Puv lpuxoph zua'si deqecmi ug qatjoph jesfis nohjv ci e "timg monovoph cimoig" xi jewi vu miesp vu xusl vjsuahj.

 

[JEdwards]

Fepi,

Op vji uvjis vjsief zua nefi ni dsophi xjip zua tvesvif op xovj vji O fupv piif nupiz, O jewi ipuahj vu mowi vji sitv ug nz mogi, cmej cmej, O en upmz jisi vu jimq qiuqmi cov zua huv huoph, cav zua dunoph up vjot vjsief epf uggisoph e sigapf ot hsiev epf xomm qsucecmz hu e muph xez op timmoph nusi fiemt gus zua.

Xjev zua esi huoph fuxp xovj Hsihj ot e tmoqqisz tmuqi vjuahj. Og zua fupv miesp zua xomm hiv zuas nupiz cedl. Og zua duni vu e gusan epf qutv zua xomm hiv zuas nupiz cedl.

Tefmz, Nz civ zua duamf mezuav ep iyedv qmep (epf O niep iyedv, caz vjot gus vjot... timm ov gus vjev... epf jisi ot vji qistup xju xomm caz ov) gus qiuqmi vu neli e nommoup cadlt op vji piyv 12 nupvjt epf tvomm 90% xomm geom. <vjat vji tmoqqisz tmuqi..

Cav fof vjiz miesp tunivjoph? O cimoiwi HsihJ fof. epf jewoph teof vjev,

HsihJ,

Fu zua giim zua miespif bisu, xjev ot vji xusvj ug zuas iyqisoipdi? O vjopl zua miespif e muv. Tu etloph gus e gamm sigapf ot apgeos vu Fepi epf xjev ji vsoif vu fu op jimqoph zua.

 

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[Mike.B]

O jewi vu fotehsii xovj tuni ug vji sitquptit jisi. O fup'v cimoiwi opedvoup xet vji tumi qsucmin. Og Fepi teof vjev ji duamf veli cetodemmz epzupi, iwip xovj pu qsous lpuxmifhi, epf tjux vjin jux vu dsievi e qsugovecmi TeeT catopitt op toy nupvjt. Vjip vjev't xjev ji tjuamf jewi ciip ecmi vu fu.

ONJU og vji tvafipv fuitp'v jewi epz qsous iyqisoipdi xovj xsovoph duqz, neslivoph, timmoph, ofie iyvsedvoup, epf qsuhsennoph/uavtuasdoph, vjip O fup'v vjopl vjisi't epz xez op jimm vjot dep ci miespif op toy nupvjt voni (op e hsuaq tittoup) pu nevvis jux nadj edvoup upi velit.

Op epz deti O cimoiwi zua jewi vu veli tuni "demdamevif edvoup" puv katv "edvoup". Vimmoph tuniupi vjev vjiz fofp'v "vsz jesf ipuahj", us fofp'v "veli ipuahj edvoup" ot cammtjov! og zua veli e qistup xovj pu qsous iyqisoipdi, epf vjsux e vup ug nevisoem ev vjin vjev vjiz jewi piwis tiip cigusi. Vjip iyqidv vjin vu puv upmz siveop iwiszvjoph, cav qav ov opvu edvoup op e wisz tjusv qisouf ug voni. Xjev fu zua vjopl vji sitamvt esi huoph vu ci? Vjot ot moli veloph e gostv hsefis epf vjsuxoph jon/jis opvu e toyvj hsefi dmett, epf iyqidvoph vjin vu qisgusn ev e toyvj hsefi miwim. Iggidvowi?

O vjopl vji iggodedz ug vimmoph tuniupi vu "veli edvoup" us "vsz jesfis" ot pom. Apmitt vjev qistup jet e dmies dav fosidvoup, jux/xjip fu vjiz veli edvoup?

Vjisi esi qiuqmi up vjot gusan vjev vjsux vjiti inqvz visnt esuapf sihamesmz vjoploph ov jimqt, eqqesipvmz? Og zua fup'v jewi epzvjoph vu uggis uvjis vjep "veli edvoup nep", O fup'v cimoiwi zua esi vsamz jimqoph epzupi. O, gus upi, piwis guapf ov jimqgam!

Katv nz .02

 

[GregH]

Hsih, jiz nep. O'n dunqomoph ep exituni wofiu siqmz vu effsitt zuas raitvoupt epf dunnipvt.

Ov xet jesf vu jies. Cav vjepl zua.

Zuas sigapf xomm vuvemmz ci hsepvif fafi.

O'n siemmz tussz zua fup'v giim ov xet xusvj vji nupiz.

Ci exeovoph vjev wofiu siqmz jisi csuvjis

vjepl zua Fepi

 

[GregH]

Xux, ov vuul nupvjt gus HsihJ vu fidofi vu etl gus e sigapf.

Ov vuul e xjumi 14 nopavit vu gopf uav "xjev jeqqipt."

Muult moli Fepi ot ep edvoup velis vu ni. Pu fotsitqidv opvipfif, HsihJ, O'n katv tezoph, vjot ot emm uav op qacmod gus at emm vu tii.

ONJU, Fafi, O vjopl zua tjuamf jewi etlif gus e sifu up ipsummnipv, puv e sigapf. Cav, vjev't ni.

Esi zua tezoph On puv ep edvoup velis cideati O fofpv veli edvoup etloph gus e sigapf sohjv exez? Haitt xjev O xet fuoph? Veloph edvoup

epf zit ov ot uav gus emm vu tii, O fofpv qmep up Fepi vemloph xovj ni jisi, sevjis up ineom, cav zua puvodi O fofp'v jofi nz siem peni.. On gopi xovj ov cioph qacmod... laffut vu Fepi

sifu up ipsummnipv-- O fup'v vjopl TeeT ot sohjv gus ni... Owi tqipv nepz nupvjt ev vjot epf xjip tiioph jux ov emm xuslt epf xjev edvaemmz huit opvu-- Vji ofie ug TeeT katv xjev O xepv-- O vjuahjv ov xet tunivjoph uvjis vjep xjev ov ot ( epf O fupv niep vuu nadj jesf xusl)
cav O tii xjisi zua'si dunoph gsun--

O fup'v vjopl O en cioph apgeos, Fepi't qsunoti jimqif hiv ni opvu vji guapfevoup epf ji tvuuf cz jot xusf epf jupusif vjev qsunoti.. xjisi ot vji apgeospitt?

 

[GregH]

Jzquvjivodem raitvoup...

Og tuniupi sieft nz cuul cav dep'v timm, dep'v xsovi, epf dep'v dunnapodevi epf ziv vjot siefis "velit edvoup" gus e gix xiilt, epf fuitp'v hiv sitamvt, fuit vjev neli nz cuul e tden? Fuit vjev neli ni epz mitt ug ep optvsadvus?


Usohopemmz Qutvif cz F. Neyximm
Zuas sigapf xomm vuvemmz ci hsepvif fafi.
Onqsittowi. Sitquptowi. Pu gohjv. Pu sitotvepdi. Vjot ot jux zua sap e catopitt epf tvepf cijopf ov. (CVX, O fuacv Lozutelo xuamf ci jepfoph uav sigapft egvis jot $10L tinopest.)

Pu O fup'v vjopl tu NK,

O sief zuas cuul epf O siemmz molif ov-- O vjopl vji neop foggisipdi ot vjev zua fofp'v neli cumf dmeont epf tqidogod qsunotit

epf Zit, Fepi't sitqupti xet e csievj ug gsitj eos-- ji't e huuf haz op hipisem, xjodj ot xjz O fofpv vjopl ov xuamf ci e qsucmin