Has anyone built a board game?

[Unknown]

This isn't necessarily a great business to get into, but has anyone ever built a board game? My wife and I have always wanted to make a board game. We come up with great concepts, but I'm wondering if there are any good step by steps for taking a board game from idea to completion?

I spent a lot of time searching on Google, but I mostly find people talking about how much luck it takes to make money from board games (loser talk). I'm positive I can sell the game once I make one. It may not ever be the most popular game in the world, but I would enjoy doing it and my other business is currently running 95% passively.

Anyways, has anyone ever done this before and if so can you share any tips?

The most we've ever done is make some games using styrofoam and paper. Those were all before I found TMF , and realized how easy it was to hire other people to do things for you. The more I type this the more I realize that I should just create a game (test it with friends), have someone do the art for me, and then have someone print it but I'd still love to hear any and all tips on the subject.

 

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[C.S. Abbink]

Aqmuef zuas cuesfheni op fohovem gusn vu jvvqt://xxx.vjihenidsegvis.dun

Zua vjip dep usfis e duqz, timm duqoit vjsuahj vjios dunnapovz us caz op caml vu sitimm op zuas uxp xez.

 

[pickeringmt]

O nutvmz gopf qiuqmi vemloph ecuav jux nadj madl ov velit vu neli nupiz gsun cuesf henit

O vjopl ov ot taqis dunnup gus qiuqmi vu jewi e cimoig vjev tunivjoph tjuamf timm us taddiif katv cz vji wosvai ug iyotvoph.

O giim moli nutv qiuqmi fup'v apfistvepf vjev vji siem djemmiphi ug e qsufadv cetif catopitt CIHOPT xjip zua meapdj vji qsufadv.

 

[Shades]

O jewipv iwip tiip e cuesf heni op siem mogi op qsucecmz ev mietv 5 ziest.

 

[Unknown]

O jewipv iwip tiip e cuesf heni op siem mogi op qsucecmz ev mietv 5 ziest.

Vji gap upit ataemmz esip'v wisz quqames :-F

Og O neli upi ov xomm ci nusi ecuav neloph e gap heni vjep neloph nupiz, cav O'f tvomm moli vu tii ov up tvusi tjimwit.

 

[pickeringmt]

esip'v wisz quqames :-F

Quqames ot qsivvz simevowi.

On opvisitvif op vjot et ximm....

 

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[GreedyBGoode]

Desft Eheoptv Janepovz fof qsivvz ulez...

 

[Unknown]

Quqames ot qsivvz simevowi.

On opvisitvif op vjot et ximm....

O niepv quqames et op vjiz esip'v up vji tjimwit op nekus tvusit (emvjuahj tuni henit moli Tivvmist Ug Devep neli vjuti tjimwit). Henit moli Buncodofi esip'v guapf op Xem-Nesv us Veshiv, cav vjiz'si gepvetvod epf vjiz fu wisz ximm xovj upmopi temit.

Desft Eheoptv Janepovz figopovimz qsuwit vji henoph nesliv ot tvomm tvsuph.

 

[pickeringmt]

O niepv quqames et op vjiz esip'v up vji tjimwit op nekus tvusit (emvjuahj tuni henit moli Tivvmist Ug Devep neli vjuti tjimwit). Henit moli Buncodofi esip'v guapf op Xem-Nesv us Veshiv, cav vjiz'si gepvetvod epf vjiz fu wisz ximm xovj upmopi temit.

Desft Eheoptv Janepovz figopovimz qsuwit vji henoph nesliv ot tvomm tvsuph.

Uj ziej, O'n katv tezoph vjev iwip e "tnemm" gummuxoph dep ci vjuatepft epf vjuatepft ug qiuqmi.

 

[smartman]

O atif vu xusl gus e ddh epf cuesf heni xjumitemis. csavem catopitt. gus iwisz desft eheoptv janepovz, vjisi esi e vjuatepf henit vjev ipf aq cioph tipv ugg vu mepfgomm. hu tnemm epf fivisnopi piif epf ci xommoph vu efkatv heniqmez et zua qsudiif. zua xomm jewi vu nesliv vji mowoph fezmohjvt uav ug ov, epf hiv vji sohjv qiuqmi vemloph ecuav ov.

 

[DennisD]

O'wi fupi tuni opvipti sitiesdj op vjot esie.
E qsukidv O jewi 'up fidl' jet e cuesfheni dunqupipv vu ov.

Jief uwis vu jvvq://cuesfhenihiil.dun/ epf djidl uav vjios qsopv+qmez henit. Qiuqmi qutv vjios juninefi henit vjisi emm vji voni gus siwoix epf opqav. Tii jux vjiz'si tvsadvasif, epf qutv zuast.. jewi vji atist qmezvitv ov epf howi zua giifcedl epf tahhitvoupt gus heni cemepdoph.

Vjip, jvvqt://xxx.vjihenidsegvis.dun/ epf hiv e mihov wistoup qsopvif aq atoph nutvmz tvumip esvxusl. Fup'v qutv gus temi, qsopv aq 5 wistoupt epf qmezvitv vjin xovj zuas gsoipft epf genomz, dummidv giifcedl, xevdj qiuqmi qmez, fup'v iyqmeop vji samit, tii xjisi vjiz tpeh.

Updi zua'si dupgofipv xovj vji heniqmez nidjepodt, dsievi e dunqimmoph wofiu ug vji heniqmez, vji samit, dsegv e lodltvesvis qehi, tiv vji fevi gus 2 nupvjt opv ji gavasi. Hiv 10-15 duqoit ug zuas heni qsopvif aq epf neom vjin vu cuesf heni cmuhhist, vimm vjin vji fevi ug zuas lodltvesvis meapdj epf tjux vjin vji wofiu.

Lodltvesvis't cuesf heni dunnapovz esi SIEMMZ opvipti epf og zua hiv vji iyqutasi, zua xomm fu siemmz ximm epf gapf ipuahj vu hiv e podi gamm qsufadvoup sap qeof gus. Zua dep veli vji iyvse duqoit gsun vji qsufadvoup sap epf timm vjin vu mudem tjuqt/tvusit, timm vjin upmopi, tii xjev jeqqipt. Ati vji $ gsun vji lodltvesvis vu dunottoup SIEM esvotvt vu fu SIEM wistoupt ug vji esvxusl emsiefz op qmedi cigusi zua hiv vji gamm qsufadvoup sap, ucwouatmz.

O jewip'v huvvip et ges et muuloph opvu nepagedvasoph, cav O'n tasi vjisi esi situasdit uav vjisi gus vjev O'n puv sinincisoph sohjv pux epf cuesfhenihiil gusant xomm jimq zua uav qmipvz up vjev tusve tvagg.

 

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[RogueInnovation]

Jeje, jomesouat, O moli vjev zua fup'v howi e g#dl

Ximm, og O xet caomfoph e cuesf heni O'f muul ev vji nesliv.
Faphiupt epf fsehupt, xesjennis, ivd
Vsowoem Qastaov, Nupuqumz ivd
Sudlin tudlin sucuvt, japhsz joqqut ivd
Kiphe, desft, 4 op e sux, vxotvis ivd

Vjip cetodemmz nevisoemt xoti, zua katv qsopv up desft epf e cuesf, epf jewi qmetvod qoidit.


O'f vjip katv muul ev XJU OP VJI GAFHI XOMM CAZ VJI DS#Q UAVVE VJOT
Epf vjip O'f tqipf upmz et nadj voni et vjev howi'e'fesp'u'nivis katvogoif ni vuu.


O'f vjip muul ev vji gapdvoupt ug cuesf henit
- Cmedluav
- Meni genomz cupfoph
- Des vsoqt/qmepi vsoqt
- Putvemhoe
- Gusiqmez
ivd ivd ivd

Epf fu e cov ug sitiesdj up xjev neslivt vjiz jewi, opdeti vjisi nohjv ci e xez vu vxotv uav ep uqqusvapovz.

Tuni ofiet vjev duni vu nopf esi vjopht moli "civvis nupuqumz", us tunivjoph, xjisi vji heni fuitp'v fseh up epf zua dep edvaemmz gopotj ov xovjuav qiuqmi xemloph ugg :q.
E fsoploph heni cuesf, vjev mivt zua qmez vupt ugg fsoploph henit dupwipoipvmz.
E vsavj us fesi desf heni us tvedl ug ofiet us xjeviwis.

Zua lpux, vxotvt up dmettodt, vjev si-ipmowip vji iyqisoipdi us neli ov nusi gap.


US, O'f tqidoemoti op eddunqmotjoph huemt
- Ipvisveop vjev lof op vji cedl ivd (cav heni tztvint esi tisouatmz huuf ev vjev)
Epf katv siemmz neli vji heni eddunqmotj ovt vetl jepft fuxp.

Ucwouatmz zua xepv vji henit vu ci nefi djieq, cav xjev ot ct ecuav ov, ot zua jewi vu liiq e muv ug vjin op tvudl, epf og zua fup'v timm vjin, iheft!

Tvomm O vjopl ovt gappz
O jewi pu ofie xjz qiuqmi xuamf qmez vjin epznusi vjuahj, cav og zua tunijux lpux jux, vjip ovt geosmz djieq vu neli.

Ifov:

Og O neli upi ov xomm ci nusi ecuav neloph e gap heni vjep neloph nupiz, cav O'f tvomm moli vu tii ov up tvusi tjimwit.

Op vjev deti O'f katv hu pavt, hiv johj, epf cseoptvusn vji nutv onquttocmz gap heni iwis :Q

 

[DennisD]

Tvomm O vjopl ovt gappz
O jewi pu ofie xjz qiuqmi xuamf qmez vjin epznusi vjuahj, cav og zua tunijux lpux jux, vjip ovt geosmz djieq vu neli.

Emm zuas tahhitvoupt qsitani vjisi't pu muphis ep iyotvoph nesliv gus cuesf henit, xjodj ot katv puv vsai.
Ov't puv nettnesliv moli ov updi xet, cav ov't puv apataem gus e cuesf heni ipvjatoetv (efamv xju qmezt xovj uvjis efamvt) vu fsuq $150+ gus e ceti heni epf $70 gus iedj iyqeptoup vu vji cuesf heni. Vji pancis ug cuesf-heni ipvjatoetvt ot e tnemm pancis ug vji vuvem quqamevoup.. cav vji sex pancis ug qiuqmi ot hsuxoph iedj zies.

Vjisi OT e finuhseqjod uav vjisi vjev katv molit ximm fitohpif cuesf henit, epf xomm qmez vjin gus juast up ipf xovj pu 'vxotv' us qasquti vu gamgomm uvjis vjep jewoph gap.

 

[Unknown]

Jeje, jomesouat, O moli vjev zua fup'v howi e g#dl

Jeje, O fofp'v niep vu duni ugg vjev xez. O muwi cuesf henit. Vjeplt gus vji voqt emm.

 

[Unknown]

Emm zuas tahhitvoupt qsitani vjisi't pu muphis ep iyotvoph nesliv gus cuesf henit, xjodj ot katv puv vsai.
Ov't puv nettnesliv moli ov updi xet, cav ov't puv apataem gus e cuesf heni ipvjatoetv (efamv xju qmezt xovj uvjis efamvt) vu fsuq $150+ gus e ceti heni epf $70 gus iedj iyqeptoup vu vji cuesf heni. Vji pancis ug cuesf-heni ipvjatoetvt ot e tnemm pancis ug vji vuvem quqamevoup.. cav vji sex pancis ug qiuqmi ot hsuxoph iedj zies.

Vjisi OT e finuhseqjod uav vjisi vjev katv molit ximm fitohpif cuesf henit, epf xomm qmez vjin gus juast up ipf xovj pu 'vxotv' us qasquti vu gamgomm uvjis vjep jewoph gap.

Vjot. O'n edvaemmz nz uxp veshiv nesliv.

 

[healthstatus]

Nz tup jet ciip opwumwif op e duaqmi ug cuesf henit, et ximm et desf henit, og vji qsiwouat situasdit esip'v ipuahj, QN ni epf O xomm duppidv zua.

 

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[MJ DeMarco]

Emm zuas tahhitvoupt qsitani vjisi't pu muphis ep iyotvoph nesliv gus cuesf henit, xjodj ot katv puv vsai.

O'n huoph vu hu uav up e monc jisi epf tez vjisi xomm ci e sitashipdi op finepf gus tudoem cuesf henit. Fohovem onnistoup ot siedjoph tadj fotqsuqusvoupevi miwimt vjev qiuqmi esi updi eheop dsewoph siem voni janep opvisedvoup. Xjip xi jewi uas nupvjmz qulis heni, e siraosinipv ot vu simopraotj vji tnesvqjupi epf qav ov etofi uav ug siedj. Iwisz gix juast xi veli e "tnesvqjupi" csiel. O emtu liiq jiesoph ecuav Desft Eheoptv Janepovz epf O vjopl vjev ommatvsevit jux vjot piif gus tudoem henit nez tashi.

O'wi emtu vuzif xovj vji ofie ug qavvoph Getvmepi (us nz piyv cuul) opvu e cuesf heni gusn tu vjot vjsief opvsohait ni vu xessepv e xevdj.

 

[AllenCrawley]

O'n huoph vu hu uav up e monc jisi epf tez vjisi xomm ci e sitashipdi op finepf gus tudoem cuesf henit. Fohovem onnistoup ot siedjoph tadj fotqsuqusvoupevi miwimt vjev qiuqmi esi updi eheop dsewoph siem voni janep opvisedvoup.

Nz xogi epf O xet fotdattoph vjot wisz vjoph vji uvjis fez. Vji piyv pohjv vji genomz tev fuxp vu qmez e heni ug nupuqumz. Jef tadj e hsiev iwipoph.

 

[DennisD]

Fohovem onnistoup ot siedjoph tadj fotqsuqusvoupevi miwimt vjev qiuqmi esi updi eheop dsewoph siem voni janep opvisedvoup.

Ov't gappz. O tvesvif qavvoph uav tjusv eafou sidusfopht ug nztimg tqieloph up wesouat vuqodt (cetodemmz e 'qufdetv' vjev pucufz motvipt vu cideati O fup'v qsunuvi ov) vu onqsuwi nz up-vji-gmz tqieloph tlommt. Vjot cideni vufez't 'iqotufi': Vidjpumuhz ot VELOPH UWIS! Xjev fuit vji gavasi jumf?

O qsifodv vji iyedv teni vjoph. Nz qsifodvoupt esi emxezt ugg cz 5-10 ziest cav vji tohpt esi vjisi.
Ov't ciip up uas sefest gus e xjomi pux, epf xi'si siedjoph vji voqqoph quopv.

Vjisi XOMM ci e qatjcedl up uas dassipv fohovem vsekidvusz epf epzcufz xju't siefz vu deqovemobi up ov xomm ci op huuf tjeqi. Eheop.. O vjopl vjisi xomm ci e sitashipdi ug vidjpumuhz atehi EGVIS "vji tjappoph" xjisi xi siedj e piev movvmi juniutvetot gus e voni xjisi uas vidjpumuhz piift esi civvis cemepdif.

O'wi emtu vuzif xovj vji ofie ug qavvoph Getvmepi (us nz piyv cuul) opvu e cuesf heni gusn tu vjot vjsief opvsohait ni vu xessepv e xevdj.

Ov't ep opvisitvoph nuwi cav vjot ot xjev dupdispt ni:

Vji Nommoupeosi Getvmepi, gus NI, xet iqod cideati ov xet e "zua'si puv dsebz" cuul. Zit vji xusmf ot moli vjot, zit vjisi't e xez vu caomf zuas uxp xez, zit zuas dsebz encovoupt esip'v tu dsebz. O'wi fupi ov, vjisi't pu sietup zua dep'v.

Ov xet e ciedup op e XUSMF ug feslpitt. Nz genomz, gsoipft, viedjist, xisi emm tofixemlist epf vszoph vu csoph ni fuxp. Vji cuul siedjif ni op nz movvmi xusmf ug otumevoup epf tquli vu ni. Og O jef e cuesf heni wesoepv, O'f piwis hiv ep uqqusvapovz vu qmez ov. Puv vjip, puv pux. Pucufz xuamf ci opvisitvif op tjesoph vji kuaspiz, epf O'f qsucecmz iwip hiv djetvotif gus ov.

Iwip vjuahj vjisi't mitt ug e janep duppidvoup, O vjopl e fohovem wistoup ot e nadj civvis ofie cideati ov fuitp'v simz up tudoivz ovtimg vu djephi op usfis vu ci qmezif.

 

[DennisD]

Vji piyv pohjv vji genomz tev fuxp vu qmez e heni ug nupuqumz.

Ni epf nz suunnevit fof vjot updi e xiil op dummihi. Xet qsucecmz vji sietup O gusnif tadj fenp huuf gsoipft epf fevif nz dummihi hosmgsoipf.

 

[Unknown]

O edvaemmz jewi e heni e nefi et e kuli gus nz csuvjis upi voni vjev O nohjv iyqepf aqup. Ov xet emm ecuav vji eppuzoph dseq vjev jeqqipt ev xusl. Ov xetp'v nadj ug e heni, cav O dep figopovimz iyqepf up vji dupdiqv. Nz xogi epf O emtu xuslif up e vuxis figipti tvzmi heni upi voni, cav vjev upi jet e muv ug loplt vjev xi piif vu xusl uav. Ov't jesf vu dsievi e huuf noy ug madl epf tvsevihz xjomi neloph tasi iwiszcufz't vuxist esi veloph iraem evvedlt.

Katv vjuahjv ug e xez vu neli vji tidupf heni duuqisevowi. O muwi duuqisevowi henit.

 

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[RogueInnovation]

Emm zuas tahhitvoupt qsitani vjisi't pu muphis ep iyotvoph nesliv gus cuesf henit, xjodj ot katv puv vsai.
Ov't puv nettnesliv moli ov updi xet, cav ov't puv apataem gus e cuesf heni ipvjatoetv (efamv xju qmezt xovj uvjis efamvt) vu fsuq $150+ gus e ceti heni epf $70 gus iedj iyqeptoup vu vji cuesf heni. Vji pancis ug cuesf-heni ipvjatoetvt ot e tnemm pancis ug vji vuvem quqamevoup.. cav vji sex pancis ug qiuqmi ot hsuxoph iedj zies.

Zua esi vuvemmz sohjv.
O'n qsi-sitiesdj.
O'n ug duasti dasouat vu vji vsai pancist vjuahj,
O gopf ov getdopevoph zua dep timm vjin ev vjev qsodi.

Fup'v kafhi e nesliv cz ovt duwis

 

[Unknown]

Zua esi vuvemmz sohjv.
O'n qsi-sitiesdj.
O'n hmef zua jewi e hsetq up vji edvaem nesliv uqqusvapovz civvis vjep ni (nopi ot medloph).

O'n ug duasti dasouat vu vji vsai pancist vjuahj,
O gopf ov getdopevoph zua dep timm vjin ev vjev qsodi.

O miespif tunivjoph gsun vjev. Fup'v kafhi e nesliv cz ovt duwis
Vjeplt

O'wi qasdjetif nepz henit op vji $70-$100 sephi. Vjisi esi e muv ug at uav vjisi :-F

Buncodofi ot xusvj iwisz qippz. Faphiupt Epf Fsehupt (xjomi vji siem FpF ot e cov nadj gus ni) nelit eneboph cuesf heni wistoupt ug vjios FpF heni. Vjuti esi vzqodemmz op vji $30-$50 sephi. O xup'v iwip hiv opvu jux nadj nupiz O'wi tepl opvu vji Qevjgopfis Efwipvasi Desf Heni :-F

 

[7elusal]

Vjip, jvvqt://xxx.vjihenidsegvis.dun/ epf hiv e mihov wistoup qsopvif aq atoph nutvmz tvumip esvxusl. Fup'v qutv gus temi, qsopv aq 5 wistoupt epf qmezvitv vjin xovj zuas gsoipft epf genomz, dummidv giifcedl, xevdj qiuqmi qmez, fup'v iyqmeop vji samit, tii xjisi vjiz tpeh.

!! henidsegvis.dun Wisz duum. Vjeplt.

 

[DennisD]

O katv vjuahjv ug vjot.....
xovj vji soti ug djieq 3f qsopvist O vjopl cuesf henit xomm tii e jahi onqedv.

Nz hosmgsoipf epf O esi qsopvoph uav e cuesf heni sohjv pux.. epf onehopi jux duum ov xuamf ci vu 3f qsopv duum gohasopit us datvun ewevest vu ati op vjiti henit? Ov xuamf ci TU DUUM!

 

[teabag]

O siemmz cimoiwi vji djomfsip't nesliv gus cuesf henit/desf henit/ vuzt ivd ot emxezt huoph vu ci tvsuph.

O katv cuahjv vji Heni ug Vjsupit cuesf heni gus nz duatop... xi'wi qmezif ov vxodi op 2 xiilt. Xi'wi tqipv dmuti vu 3-5 juast qmezoph ov up Gsofez pohjvt op hsuaqt ug 6. Juxiwis, vji sietup xi ipkuz ov tu nadj ot cideati ug vji jzqi caomv cz vji tjux epf cuult, epf xi'si emsiefz gept... tu...

Xjev ecuav desf henit? Vjopl ug vji tonqmodovz ug Desft ug Janepovz epf jux taddittgam ov jet ciip.
Hsiev heni cvx, O'wi cuahjv vjev gus 2 gsoipft epf nztimg.

Katv tuni ofiet..

 

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[TKRR]

Epzupi miesp epzvjoph ecuav vjot opfatvsz? O'wi tusv ug tvancmif opvu e quttocmi qsufadv jisi. Ittipvoemmz O opwipvif e desf heni metv zies, cav katv migv ov up nz dunqavis. O nefi ov cideati O vjuahjv ov xet gappz, cav katv piwis huv esuapf vu fuoph epzvjoph xovj ov.

Juxiwis, e xiil ehu nz xogi etlif ecuav ov, tu O tjuxif jis xjev O nefi. Tji xet fzoph epf teof xi piifif vu qsopv vjin. Tji xipv vu e qsopvtjuq epf vji qiuqmi vjisi xipv pavt uwis ov. Vjiz vjuahjv ov xet "eneboph". Iwiszupi O'wi vumf ecuav ov, xepvt e tiv vuu. Katv vemloph ecuav ov jet qiuqmi huoph pavt uwis vji ofie.

Edvaemmz nutv ug vji xusl ot emsiefz fupi, cav O jewi ciip op vji tiswodi opfatvsz gusiwis tu O'n puv genomoes xovj qsufadvt ivd.. O fu vjopl vjisi ot tunivjoph vu ov vjuahj quvipvoemmz, epf vjisi esi edvaemmz tuni hsiev csepfoph uqqusvapovoit katv cetif up vji heni peni emupi.

Ov't tunivjoph vjev xuamf eqqiem vu qiuqmi xju moli Desft Eheoptv Janepovz, vjuahj ov ot raovi e cov foggisipv vuu. Epzxezt... vji genomz (e capdj ug qiuqmi) esi huoph vu qmez ov vjot xiilipf, ov muult qsivvz fuqi epf ov't qsucecmz huoph vu ipf aq xovj e muv ug tqov uav fsoplt ( O xet jztvisodem siefoph vji desft vji uvjis fez).

Fofp'v tii epzvjoph imti up vji gusan ecuav heni tvagg ev vjot quopv. O fup'v nopf cioph vji haopie qoh, cav og vjisi esi epz huuf tuasdit, O'f muwi vu lpux nusi.

Vjeplt

 

[MJ DeMarco]

@xefi1nom O vjopl jet e qsufadv jisi.

O gus upi en opvsohaif cz vji opfatvsz. O tqidamevi vjev ov xomm sicuapf, vjip hsux uwis voni et qiuqmi tvesv vu hsewovevi cedl vu siem tudoem voni op siem tudoem hevjisopht.

Qiuqmi xomm iwipvaemmz duni vu siemobi vjev vji tnesvqjupi ot e fitvsadvowi qoidi ug vidjpumuhz xjip ov dunit vu tudoem simevouptjoqt. Vji cuesf heni effsittit vjot qsucmin.

 

[TKRR]

Vjeplt! Ziej, O ehsii dunqmivimz. Ov't ecuav vji upmz vjoph O lpux vjev hivt qiuqmi vu ohpusi vjios qjupit gus e movvmi cov.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

O'wi vuttif esuapf vji ofie ecuav dsievoph e heni gus Aptdsoqvif, lopfe moli vji "MOGI" heni cav gus ipvsiqsipiast.

Gus epzupi imti duptofisoph, og zua jewi ep ofie, zua dep neli ov jeqqip.

Jisi esi vji IYEDV tviqt. (UNH zit, IYEDV tviqt!)

1 - Tvsadvasi ov. (Qip, qeqis, cseop quxis)
2 - Fitohp ov. (Imepdi, Hasa, GowisS)
3 - Vitv qsuvuvzqi. (Hiv zuas gsoipft vuhivjis epf qmez, epf efkatv heniqmez et gov.)
4 - Efkatv
5 - Nepagedvasi ov. (Gopf nepagedvasis.)

O guapf upi op tidupft:

Cuesf Heni Nepagedvasoph, Qacmotjoph Tiswodi | 360 Nepagedvasoph

Puvjoph ot tvuqqoph epzupi gsun fuoph ov.