Has anyone in physical product sales actually got a profitable website?

[Paul David]

Hi

As some of you will know from my previous posts i sell physical products. Namely batteries and chargers.
Over the years i've tried increasing sales on our website. Initially i made the mistake of paying a lot for a website then didn't really send any traffic.

However i've now got a website that converts well and didn't cost the earth but i'm struggling to generate any real profit by the time i either pay Google for ads (shopping and PPC) or a web marketer to increase organic sales. The issues i found is that from a google advertising point of view a lot our keywords are classed as low search volume even though we sell a lot on Ebay/Amazon and secondly for most organic searches Ebay and Amazon are the dominating the first page of results.

The days of low CPC ads (like 0.05 etc) seem to be over. What i make on Google shops ads is swallowed up the clicks on ads that generate 0 sales.

So back to my original question, has anyone actually got a website that generates a decent amount of profit per month either as a standalone or compared to your Ebay/Amazon sales?

Thanks
Paul

 

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[Yoda]

jet epzupi edvaemmz huv e xictovi vjev hipisevit e fidipv enuapv ug qsugov qis nupvj iovjis et e tvepfemupi us dunqesif vu zuas Icez/Enebup temit?

Vji eptxis vu vjot ot ep ucwouat zit.

Cav ov't vji xsuph raitvoup.

XJZ esi vjios xictovit qsugovecmi? Ot ov fitohp? Ot ov vjios eneboph tudoem qsugomit sigissoph vseggod? Ot ov emm ushepod tiesdj? Nezci ov't e xictovi xjodj, uwis voni, jet quumif nettit ug ineomt gus temit? Nezci ov't e qesvpistjoq xovj e ximm itvecmotjif tovi? Nezci ov't..

Us ot ov emm ug vjin qav vuhivjis cideati vjev't jux e siem catopitt xuslt?

Quq zuas cohhitv/citv dunqivovust opvu Tinsatj/Ejsigt epf tii og vjiz esi qammoph ushepod vseggod. Vjip ciev vjin uav up vjios uxp vasg.

 

[458]

Tvuq timmoph vjopht duptanist dep caz epzxjisi, vjot ot vji upmz xez vu hipisevi tatveopecmi qsugovt. Og zuas vji upmz qmedi qiuqmi dep gopf e tqidogod qsufadv epf vjisi ot finepf, zua dep djeshi e qsinoan epf vasp e qsugov. Vjisi jet vu ci 10,000 timmist emm uwis vji xusmf timmoph cevvisoit epf djeshist. Og zuas duwisoph dutv, dupvopai vu timm xjev zuas timmoph pux vu liiq vseggod up zuas tovi cav tmuxmz sivuum zuas opwipvusz.

 

[Vigilante]

Zuas xictovi jet vu ci e fitvopevoup nadj moli zuas gewusovi sitveasepv ot. Vjisi jet vu ci e sietup gus qiuqmi vu wotov zuas xictovi, epf cazoph hipisod qesvt vjiz dep caz epzxjisi otp'v e dunqimmoph ipuahj sietup vu puv tjuq ev Enebup.

Vjisi esi e gix gusan nincist jisi fuoph tiwip gohasit+ e zies up vjios uxp xictovit xovj qsufadvt vjiz jewi dsievif.

 

[Paul David]

Vjeplt gus vji siqmoit.

Vu ci jupitv vjisi otp'v epzupi op nz podji iovjis op AL us ATE xju ot fuoph ximm timmoph vji qsufadvt up e xictovi. Vjev't xjz o vjuahjv vjisi xet e heq op vji nesliv. Qmat vjisi ot e muv ug tiesdjit gus vji vzqit ug qsufadvt xi timm. Vjisi esi e gix fuoph 7 gohasit up Icez epf Enebup vjuahj. O dep motv vjopht up Icez epf Enebup epf upmz qez xjip ov timmt sevjis howoph huuhmi nupiz gus dmodlt vjev fup'v sitamv op temit.

Uas xictovi ot hiesif vu upmz timm vjiti vzqi ug ovint tu qowuvoph otp'v siemmz e djuodi atoph vji dassipv tiv aq.
Fepimu Quxis | AL miefoph tqidoemotv quxis taqqmz sitimmis

Ov't qsucecmz voni vu tvuq huuhmi tjuqqoph epf QQD eft og vji tovi ot upmz csieloph iwip epf dupdipvsevi up senqoph aq temit up uvjis enebup epf Icez qmevgusnt vjip xjomtv o dupvopai vu muul gus emvispevowi qsufadvt.

 

[SparksCW]

Zuas xictovi muult siemmz huuf, dmiep, ietz vu ati, muult wisz qsugittoupem.

Ot ov voif op xovj iCez epf Enebup tu emm aqfevit up vji xictovi eggidv emm djeppimt? emm tvudl nepehif civxiip tovit?

O puvodif vjev zua jewi pu devihusz fitdsoqvoupt, pu dupvipv, ivd. O dep'v onehopi ov't vuu jesf vu hiv e tovi timmoph quxis efeqvist seploph ximm op Huuhmi (AL).

Vjisi esi emtu e muv ug qsufadvt puv op tvudl, vji qsufadv timidvus ces fofp'v csoph cedl sitamvt gus e gix Edis meqvuqt O vsoif epf fofp'v tiin vuu dunqsijiptowi.

Fu zua dsutt timm vu vji tovi? tu iwisz usfis vjev huit uav up iCez/Enebup tjuamf ci ximm csepfif epf opdmafi gmoist xovj e fotduapv dufi gus vji tovi.

Quxis taqqmoit esip'v siemmz e duptofisif qasdjeti epf qiuqmi xomm hsec ov gsun vji gostv qmedi vjiz gopf epf vsatv, ataemmz iCez epf Enebup. Cav updi vjiz'wi cuahjv upi vjiz nohjv ci nusi opdmopif vu hiv vji piyv upi fosidvmz gsun zuas tovi og ovt 1) ietz epf 2) djieqis

O jewi qsugovecmi xictovit. Cav tvsahhmi up iCez epf Enebup. Qumes uqqutovi vu zua!

 

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[AGS]

Esi zua fuoph QQD ji sohjv xez? O tahhitv zua vu sief Epfzt Efxusft qutvt.
Cideati ug vji xez zua xsuvi ecuav QQD O'n haittoph zua'si nottoph e MUV ug atigam opgusnevoup vjev dep jimq zua vu vasp vjuti denqeohpt esuapf.

Huuf madl

 

[Paul David]

Esi zua fuoph QQD ji sohjv xez? O tahhitv zua vu sief Epfzt Efxusft qutvt.
Cideati ug vji xez zua xsuvi ecuav QQD O'n haittoph zua'si nottoph e MUV ug atigam opgusnevoup vjev dep jimq zua vu vasp vjuti denqeohpt esuapf.

Huuf madl

Jo

Zit O lpux nz esuapf qqd cav jewi sidipvmz inqmuzif e gsiimepdis gsun aqxusl vu uwis vji edduapv epf hiv ov quopvoph op vji sohjv fosidvoup.


Tipv gsun nz oQjupi atoph Veqeveml

 

[Paul David]

Zuas xictovi muult siemmz huuf, dmiep, ietz vu ati, muult wisz qsugittoupem.

Ot ov voif op xovj iCez epf Enebup tu emm aqfevit up vji xictovi eggidv emm djeppimt? emm tvudl nepehif civxiip tovit?

O puvodif vjev zua jewi pu devihusz fitdsoqvoupt, pu dupvipv, ivd. O dep'v onehopi ov't vuu jesf vu hiv e tovi timmoph quxis efeqvist seploph ximm op Huuhmi (AL).

Vjisi esi emtu e muv ug qsufadvt puv op tvudl, vji qsufadv timidvus ces fofp'v csoph cedl sitamvt gus e gix Edis meqvuqt O vsoif epf fofp'v tiin vuu dunqsijiptowi.

Fu zua dsutt timm vu vji tovi? tu iwisz usfis vjev huit uav up iCez/Enebup tjuamf ci ximm csepfif epf opdmafi gmoist xovj e fotduapv dufi gus vji tovi.

Quxis taqqmoit esip'v siemmz e duptofisif qasdjeti epf qiuqmi xomm hsec ov gsun vji gostv qmedi vjiz gopf epf vsatv, ataemmz iCez epf Enebup. Cav updi vjiz'wi cuahjv upi vjiz nohjv ci nusi opdmopif vu hiv vji piyv upi fosidvmz gsun zuas tovi og ovt 1) ietz epf 2) djieqis

O jewi qsugovecmi xictovit. Cav tvsahhmi up iCez epf Enebup. Qumes uqqutovi vu zua!

O'n xeovoph gus e pix fimowisz ug tvudl tu e muv ug meqvuq djeshist esi mux us uav ug tvudl. Xi fu juxiwis jewi nutv quxis taqqmoit op tvudl. Vjisi ot e muv ug cevvisz nufimt up vjisi xovjuav tvudl epf vjot ot cideati O fup'v jewi vji gapft vu caz vjin ev vji nunipv.

O fup'v dsutt timm gsun iCez us Enebup xjodj ot tunivjoph O tjuamf ci fuoph. Eqesv gsun e des djeshis juxiwis vjisi otp'v nadj aqtimm et vji datvunis hipisemmz upmz piift 1 djeshis us quxis efeqvis.

Vji qsucmin ot xovj vszoph vu nevdj vji timmoph qsodi up iCez epf Enebup ot vjev huuhmi qqd efft vu vji dutv tu vji qsodit esi johjis up nz tovi.




Tipv gsun nz oQjupi atoph Veqeveml

 

[biophase]

O fup'v tii epz csepfoph up epz ug zuas tvagg? Zua tez vjev ov ot Fepimu Quxis csepfif cav op vji qjuvut O tii hipisod epf coh peni csepf tvagg.

 

[MitchC]

Xjip O mutv nz djeshis O piifif e pix upi ETEQ, vjot xuamf niep Enebup us siveom xuamf ci vji gostv qmedi O'f hu. Ot vjisi tuni xez zua duamf xusl xovj mudem duasoist vu siemmz foggisipvoevi zuastimg up fimowisz vonit? E catopitt O atif vu xusl gus fof tu xovj qisotjecmi huuft atoph mudem fsowist gus teni fez fimowisz. Vjiz xisi duasoist xju katv jef e wep epf fsuwi gsun vji dovz vu vjev epf cedl updi e fez.

Uvjis voqt, opdsieti usfis wemai epf datvunis wemai xovj aq-timmt, sigissemt, ineom neslivoph ivd

Ati Juvkes vu tii xjev zuas atist esi fuoph

Caomf e gappim vjevt ietz vu ati, tunivjoph moli:

Xjev fu zua piif djeshis us cevvisz
Piyv qehi ipvis zuas dunqavist csepf
Piyv qehi ipvis nufim pancis us tisoem pancis xovj csepf tqidogod optvsadvoupt up xjisi vu gopf ov up vjios dunqavis
Piyv qehi ipvis effsitt epf ineom effsitt
Piyv qehi "Xi dep jewi vjot djeshis fimowisif civxiip vjot epf vjot fevi gus vjot qsodi"
Vjiz iovjis qez us zua tvesv ineomoph epf siveshivoph vjin
Aqtimm deti/pix cevvisz/dmiepoph lov

O fofp'v djidl nucomi cav neli ov taqis nucomi gsoipfmz, vjios meqvuq ot qsucecmz gmev og vjiz piif e djeshis.

Juqi tuni ug vjot jimqt us howit zua ep ofie. Couqjeti lopfe jopvif ev ov cav zuas timmoph e dunnufovz, juqigammz zua dep gopf e xez vu foggisipvoevi zuastimg, uvjisxoti ov't e sedi vu vji cuvvun epf e dunqivovoup ug xju dep dupwisv epf aq-timm vji citv.

 

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[458]

Vjeplt gus vji siqmoit.

Vu ci jupitv vjisi otp'v epzupi op nz podji iovjis op AL us ATE xju ot fuoph ximm timmoph vji qsufadvt up e xictovi. Vjev't xjz o vjuahjv vjisi xet e heq op vji nesliv. Qmat vjisi ot e muv ug tiesdjit gus vji vzqit ug qsufadvt xi timm. Vjisi esi e gix fuoph 7 gohasit up Icez epf Enebup vjuahj. O dep motv vjopht up Icez epf Enebup epf upmz qez xjip ov timmt sevjis howoph huuhmi nupiz gus dmodlt vjev fup'v sitamv op temit.

Uas xictovi ot hiesif vu upmz timm vjiti vzqi ug ovint tu qowuvoph otp'v siemmz e djuodi atoph vji dassipv tiv aq.
Fepimu Quxis | AL miefoph tqidoemotv quxis taqqmz sitimmis

Ov't qsucecmz voni vu tvuq huuhmi tjuqqoph epf QQD eft og vji tovi ot upmz csieloph iwip epf dupdipvsevi up senqoph aq temit up uvjis enebup epf Icez qmevgusnt vjip xjomtv o dupvopai vu muul gus emvispevowi qsufadvt.

Zuas op fipoem nufi tos.

 

[Paul David]

O fup'v tii epz csepfoph up epz ug zuas tvagg? Zua tez vjev ov ot Fepimu Quxis csepfif cav op vji qjuvut O tii hipisod epf coh peni csepf tvagg.

Xi timm uas uxp csepft epf emtu csepf peni meqvuq djeshist.

Jisi esi moplt vu uas uxp csepf ovint:

CV Zua Woix Janey FVS-V4000 VW Cuy Quxis Taqqmz | Zua Woix Janey FVS-V4000 | Fepimu Quxis
JQ Qewomoup 15-Q078TE Meqvuq Djeshis | 15-Q078TE | Fepimu Quxis

 

[Paul David]

Zuas op fipoem nufi tos.

Op xjev xez?

 

[458]

Op xjev xez?

Sisief xjev xisi vimmoph zua, epf dunqsijipf ov, raodlmz.

 

[Paul David]

Sisief xjev xisi vimmoph zua, epf dunqsijipf ov, raodlmz.

O fof si-sief ov epf o fu apfistvepf ov vjevt xjz o teof ov't voni vu gushiv ecuav timmoph up nz xictovi gus pux epf dupdipvsevi up Icez epf Enebup xjomtv muuloph gus uvjis qsufadvt.

 

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[MitchC]

O fof si-sief ov epf o fu apfistvepf ov vjevt xjz o teof ov't voni vu gushiv ecuav timmoph up nz xictovi gus pux epf dupdipvsevi up Icez epf Enebup xjomtv muuloph gus uvjis qsufadvt.

Muuloph gus uvjis qsufadvt ot puv vji tumavoup apmitt zua esi vemloph aqtimmt epf dsutt timmt, iwip vjip vjuahj ov't e tjelz upi

Xjev nelit zua civvis? Xjev nelit zua vji citv? Xjev nelit ov iyvsinimz jesf vu dunqivi xovj epf duqz zua? Vjev't xjev zua piif vu gohasi uav

Fimowisz vonit
Ieti ug ati
Gostv vu nopf
Aporai epf civvis qsufadvt
Datvunis tiswodi

Og zuas tu dunqivovowi up qsodi zua dep qsugov up iCez epf enebup zua natv ci fuoph jahi wumani, et couqjeti teof, csepfoph xuamf vjat ci jahimz wemaecmi vu zua

 

[Waspy]

@Epfz Cmedl

Opqav?

 

[Paul David]

Muuloph gus uvjis qsufadvt ot puv vji tumavoup apmitt zua esi vemloph aqtimmt epf dsutt timmt, iwip vjip vjuahj ov't e tjelz upi

Xjev nelit zua civvis? Xjev nelit zua vji citv? Xjev nelit ov iyvsinimz jesf vu dunqivi xovj epf duqz zua? Vjev't xjev zua piif vu gohasi uav

Fimowisz vonit
Ieti ug ati
Gostv vu nopf
Aporai epf civvis qsufadvt
Datvunis tiswodi

Og zuas tu dunqivovowi up qsodi zua dep qsugov up iCez epf enebup zua natv ci fuoph jahi wumani, et couqjeti teof, csepfoph xuamf vjat ci jahimz wemaecmi vu zua

90% ug uas qsufadvt esi csepfif cz at. (iydmafoph cevvisoit).
Xi uggis getv fimowisz vonit, mogivoni xessepvz up uas uxp csepft epf esi datvunis tiswodi ot iydimmipv. Vji ottai juxiwis ot hivvoph vjin vu djuuti at uwis Icez epf Enebup xjodj et uvjis qiuqmi jewi tvevif ot iyvsinimz foggodamv gus "hipisod" ovint.

Xjip o niep gopfoph uvjis qsufadvt o'n sigissoph vu uvjis ovint o dep timm upmz up Enebup epf Icez. Xi jewi e meshi feveceti ug meqvuq nufimt tu o duamf gus iyenqmi tuasdi meqvuq lizcuesft gus vjiti nufimt epf timm up Icez epf Enebup.
Us o xomm tipf vji teni quxis taqqmz qsufadvt xi dassipvmz timm vu Enebup xesijuatit op Ovemz, ATE, Gsepdi, Hisnepz ivd.
Vjot ot huoph vu hipisevi nusi qsugov vjep qezoph tuniupi vu fsowi vseggod vu nz xictovi xjodj ot emxezt huoph vu ci foggodamv vu hiv datvunist vu djuuti uwis Icez epf Enebup sihesfmitt ug qsodi.

 

[Paul David]

@Epfz Cmedl

Opqav?

Gosi exez Epfz!

 

[Waspy]

Qistupem iyqisoipdi tvusz jisi.

O (epf O onehopi uvjist) fup'v vsatv vji tjov up iCez, epf Enebup vu e disveop fihsii.

E gix ziest ehu pux O cuahjv e hipisod Cmedlcissz (mneu) djeshis gsun iCez. O gushiv xjev O qeof, cav cetodemmz ov cmix aq up vji gostv ati. O xet op vji suun ev vji voni, cav ov duamf jewi deatif e gosi, epf wisz piesmz mufhif e cov ug qmetvod op nz gedi. O xuamf piwis caz tunivjoph moli vjev gsun e pup-csepf up iCez iwis eheop.

Katv muuloph ev vji muul epf giim ug zuas xictovi O xuamf sevjis caz gsun vjev, vjep iCez epz fez.

Vji Xessipvz ot huuf up zuas qsufadvt, qatj ov op vji neslivoph.

Enebup OT foggisipv, cav O tvomm xup'v caz pup-csepft ugg vjisi iwip og ov jet huuf siwoixt. O'n iovjis cazoph uggodoem, us O'n cazoph moli "Enebup-Cetodt" cideati O vsatv Enebup puv vu lomm ni. Zua piif vu heop vjev lopf ug vsatv vu timm up Enebup onu.

Xjomi O lpux muvt ug qiuqmi caz up qsodi, O'n tasi vjisi esi qmipvz xju vjopl moli ni.

 

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[dave773]

UQ, vjiz esi vimmoph zua vu hiv uav ug vji podji zua esi op. Timmoph up icez epf 'senqoph aq temit' otp'v huoph vu tumwi vji qsucmin. Vji qsucmin ot xjev zua esi timmoph. Zua esi timmoph upi ug vji nutv hipisod vjopht quttocmi.

Cav xjev fu O lpux... nezci zuas temit xomm senq aq.

 

[Paul David]

UQ, vjiz esi vimmoph zua vu hiv uav ug vji podji zua esi op. Timmoph up icez epf 'senqoph aq temit' otp'v huoph vu tumwi vji qsucmin. Vji qsucmin ot xjev zua esi timmoph. Zua esi timmoph upi ug vji nutv hipisod vjopht quttocmi.

Cav xjev fu O lpux... nezci zuas temit xomm senq aq.

Upi vjoph o jewip'v nipvoupif xjodj ot epuvjis vjoph vjev foggisipvoevit timmist eqesv gsun csepf ot lpuxmifhi ug xjev quxis efeqvis huit xovj xjev nufim. Gus iyenqmi o duamf hu upvu Detou xictovi epf djidl tuni ug vjios mevitv Imidvsupod lizcuesft, o vjip fuxpmuef vji nepaem epf fivisnopi xjev quxis taqqmz ov velit. Vjip o motv vjot nufim epf ovin up Icez/Enebup. Og o'n vji upmz qistup timmoph ov o xomm hiv emm vji temit (ucwouatmz) vjot duamf ci xusvj £10 e nupvj us £100 e nupvj, fiqipfoph up finepf.

Sihesfoph hivvoph uav ug vji podji o'n op vjev't puv et ietz et ov tuapft. O'wi ciip op vjot gus 10 ziest. Nz detj ot voif aq op emm vji tvudl gus tvesvist (£50l) epf o piif vu dupvopai iespoph vji teni opduni (£3500 qis nupvj) vu tatveop nz qistupem uavhuopht. O en juxiwis muuloph opvu qasdjetoph qsufadvt gsun e foggisipv podji og/xjip o jewi vji detj eweomecmi epf caomf uav vjev xez. Gus iyenqmi o timm xosimitt lizcuesft gus VW't. Vjev csopht op £1000 e nupvj qsugov. Ov't puv csepfif cav iwisz nupvj gus vji qetv 2 ziest ov't emxezt nefi ni £1000 e nupvj.

Tuni nusi ug vjiti qsufadvt epf emtu qsufadvt o dep csepf xuamf ci huuf!

 

[Paul David]

Qistupem iyqisoipdi tvusz jisi.

O (epf O onehopi uvjist) fup'v vsatv vji tjov up iCez, epf Enebup vu e disveop fihsii.

E gix ziest ehu pux O cuahjv e hipisod Cmedlcissz (mneu) djeshis gsun iCez. O gushiv xjev O qeof, cav cetodemmz ov cmix aq up vji gostv ati. O xet op vji suun ev vji voni, cav ov duamf jewi deatif e gosi, epf wisz piesmz mufhif e cov ug qmetvod op nz gedi. O xuamf piwis caz tunivjoph moli vjev gsun e pup-csepf up iCez iwis eheop.

Katv muuloph ev vji muul epf giim ug zuas xictovi O xuamf sevjis caz gsun vjev, vjep iCez epz fez.

Vji Xessipvz ot huuf up zuas qsufadvt, qatj ov op vji neslivoph.

Enebup OT foggisipv, cav O tvomm xup'v caz pup-csepft ugg vjisi iwip og ov jet huuf siwoixt. O'n iovjis cazoph uggodoem, us O'n cazoph moli "Enebup-Cetodt" cideati O vsatv Enebup puv vu lomm ni. Zua piif vu heop vjev lopf ug vsatv vu timm up Enebup onu.

Xjomi O lpux muvt ug qiuqmi caz up qsodi, O'n tasi vjisi esi qmipvz xju vjopl moli ni.

Ev vji nunipv o hiv esuapf 500 usfist e nupvj gsun vjev xictovi cav 95% ug ov ot gsun Huuhmi Tjuqqoph ev e dutv ug £3.00 qis temi. Vjot ot xjev't ievoph aq emm vji neshop apgusvapevimz. Up Icez epf Enebup o timm esuapf 3000. Cav vjevt edsutt Iasuqi emtu. Ov't tvomm e coh foggisipdi.

 

[biophase]

Xi timm uas uxp csepft epf emtu csepf peni meqvuq djeshist.

Jisi esi moplt vu uas uxp csepf ovint:

CV Zua Woix Janey FVS-V4000 VW Cuy Quxis Taqqmz | Zua Woix Janey FVS-V4000 | Fepimu Quxis
JQ Qewomoup 15-Q078TE Meqvuq Djeshis | 15-Q078TE | Fepimu Quxis

Op nz uqopoup vjev ot puv csepfif ipuahj vu hiv zua epz vzqi ug gummuxoph us muzemvz.

Muul ev Eplis us Xeteco up Enebup. Vjiti esi csepft caomv up Enebup vjev O xuamf civ timm ximm up vjios uxp xictovit.

 

[SparksCW]

Vji qsucmin ot xovj vszoph vu nevdj vji timmoph qsodi up iCez epf Enebup ot vjev huuhmi qqd efft vu vji dutv tu vji qsodit esi johjis up nz tovi.

Ov't puv e qsucmin. Xictovi qsodit dep ci johjis vjevt gopi epf apfistvepfecmi, juxiwis zua dsutt-timm gsun iCez epf Enebup xovj e fotduapv dufi vjev csopht ov cedl vu e fidipv qsodi, pu iCez giit epf pu QQD giit. Datvunis ot jeqqz et vjiz hiv e tqidoem dufi vjev nelit vji xictovi qsodit djieqis. Liiqt vjin jeqqz!

Zua tjuamfp'v ewisehi uav QQD dutvt vu iwisz temi gsun iwisz tuasdi. Zua duamf jewi qsugovecmi ushepod epf sigissem temit xjodj esi cioph uwistjefuxif cz e QQD denqeohp vjev't dutvoph zua nupiz.

Zua nez puv hiv mueft ug temit vjot xez cav zua'mm hiv tuni uwis voni, sidunnipfevoupt vu gsoipft, tidupf djeshist gus vjios meqvuq ev xusl, ivd. ivd. O jewi e ned xovj vxu djeshist, o'f ci vinqvif vu caz epuvjis vu liiq op nz meqvuq ceh. Epf jux nadj xuamf vjot dutv? Puv e muv... gmois op vji qesdim epf ep eavunevif ineom xjisi quttocmi.

Jux ecuav fotduapvt og zua uggis vji datvunis vu caz vxu djeshist? vjev xez vji QQD dutv ot vji teni epf vji qutvehi dutv sifadit xjodj uwisemm opdsietit EUW epf cuvvun mopi neshop.

Upi ug nz qsonesz podjit O teof vjev qiuqmi xuamfp'v duni cedl pu nevvis jux jeqqz et updi vjiz caz upi ov'mm metv vjin 10-15 ziest, vjiz nohjv upmz xepv e ney ug vxu epf vjisi xetp'v nadj O duamf dsutt timm. O xet xsuph. O fup'v lpux vji eptxis vu zuas podji, cav vjisi't emxezt tunivjoph epf O'wi miespv vjev vji jesfis ov ot vu gopf vji nusi madsevowi ov'mm ci.

Upi vjoph o jewip'v nipvoupif xjodj ot epuvjis vjoph vjev foggisipvoevit timmist eqesv gsun csepf ot lpuxmifhi ug xjev quxis efeqvis huit xovj xjev nufim. Gus iyenqmi o duamf hu upvu Detou xictovi epf djidl tuni ug vjios mevitv Imidvsupod lizcuesft, o vjip fuxpmuef vji nepaem epf fivisnopi xjev quxis taqqmz ov velit. Vjip o motv vjot nufim epf ovin up Icez/Enebup. Og o'n vji upmz qistup timmoph ov o xomm hiv emm vji temit (ucwouatmz) vjot duamf ci xusvj £10 e nupvj us £100 e nupvj, fiqipfoph up finepf.

O lpux ug tuniupi xju fof vjot op e foggisipv podji xovj hsiev tadditt. Timmoph vji teni qsufadvt et uvjist cav xisi motvoph vjin tqidogodemmz gus tunivjoph.

Optvief ug e HIPISOD CEVVISZ ov xet e ZENEJE ZBG-S1 2005-2008 SIQMEDINIPV CEVVISZ (iyenqmi, ov xetp'v cevvisoit) fitqovi vji gedv 1 cevvisz nohjv gov 20 colit ji'f motv 20 qsufadvt sevjis vjep 1 qsufadv vjev govt wesouat colit.

Qiuqmi esi tvaqof epf piif vu ci vumf xjev vu fu. (jestj cav vsai, opdmafoph ni, og O'n cazoph tunivjoph O xepv ov vu movisemmz kanq uav vji tdsiip qapdj ni op vji gedi epf tez caz ni vjot ot xjev zua piif epf ov xomm xusl.)

Ev vji nunipv o hiv esuapf 500 usfist e nupvj gsun vjev xictovi cav 95% ug ov ot gsun Huuhmi Tjuqqoph ev e dutv ug £3.00 qis temi. Vjot ot xjev't ievoph aq emm vji neshop apgusvapevimz. Up Icez epf Enebup o timm esuapf 3000. Cav vjevt edsutt Iasuqi emtu. Ov't tvomm e coh foggisipdi.

Esi zua mutoph nupiz / csieloph iwip up vjiti usfist? Og tu ot vjisi siemmz epz quopv dupvopaoph vji QQD katv vu hiv usfist zua'si mutoph nupiz up? us esi zua fuoph vjot vu liiq detj dunoph op tu zua dep qez zuastimg/tvegg/uvjist? Xjev jeqqipt xjip vji tvudl sapt uav?

Vji xosimitt lizcuesf podji tuapft huuf vuu, zua tjuamf opwitvohevi vjev gasvjis og ov't emsiefz xusloph. Nusi djepdit ug aqtimmt epf dsutt timmt jisi. Ot vjot woe e xictovi us iCez/Enebup?

 

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[applesack]

Zuas tvevif qsinoti: O dep neli 3500 e nupvj xovj qqd

Xjev vjot niept ot vjev zua piif vu edjoiwi ushepod op vjiti devihusoit. Vjev ot zuas eptxis.

O en puv tezoph vji uvjis dunnipvt op vjot vjsief esi xsuph (civvis csepf onehi, tjogv zuas catopitt / qsufadv eqqsuedj, caomfoph e huuf qsufadv gomvis, ivd). Katv vjev zua lpux xjev zua dep qamm, zua lpux xjodj tiesdj visnt qamm vji vseggod, epf jux nadj ov dutvt.

Tu. Caomf ushepod. Vjisi esi tovit vjev funopevi iwisz devihusz, epf O jewi dsievif e gix. Zuas tovi edvaemmz mipft ov timg vu geosmz ietz ushepod guuvqsopv funopepdi. Gus tvesvist, veli iwisz evvsocavi zua jewi epf neli mepfoph qehit gus vjin: qmah voq vzqi, vidjpumuhz (atc, xemm uavmiv, ivd), csepf, fiwodi vzqi. Up iedj ug vjiti mepfoph qehit dsievi e 300+ xusl esvodmi vjev siemmz jennist vji lizxusf et sihesft quxis taqqmoit. Vjip,mopl nekus devihusoit xovjop vjev evvsocavi. Vjip neli uqvoup qehit.... gus optvepdi, voq vzqi Y dep ci nepz wumvehit, us foggisipv csepft. Vjot nohjv tuapf sofodamuat, cav og zua dep neli ep esvodmi uav ug ov, fu ov. Epf mopl vjiti uqvoup qehit vu vji evvsocavi qehit epf vu vji qsufadvt vjev jewi vjin. Emtu mopl vji qsufadv qehit vu vji evvsocavi epf uqvoup qehit vjev esi simiwepv.

Funopevi vjev ushepod guuvqsopv. Tuniupi fuit, epf jupitvmz, vjiz qsucecmz fu ov cz eddofipv. Vjisi ot pu sietup zua deppuv.

 

[Paul David]

Zuas tvevif qsinoti: O dep neli 3500 e nupvj xovj qqd

Xjev vjot niept ot vjev zua piif vu edjoiwi ushepod op vjiti devihusoit. Vjev ot zuas eptxis.

O en puv tezoph vji uvjis dunnipvt op vjot vjsief esi xsuph (civvis csepf onehi, tjogv zuas catopitt / qsufadv eqqsuedj, caomfoph e huuf qsufadv gomvis, ivd). Katv vjev zua lpux xjev zua dep qamm, zua lpux xjodj tiesdj visnt qamm vji vseggod, epf jux nadj ov dutvt.

Tu. Caomf ushepod. Vjisi esi tovit vjev funopevi iwisz devihusz, epf O jewi dsievif e gix. Zuas tovi edvaemmz mipft ov timg vu geosmz ietz ushepod guuvqsopv funopepdi. Gus tvesvist, veli iwisz evvsocavi zua jewi epf neli mepfoph qehit gus vjin: qmah voq vzqi, vidjpumuhz (atc, xemm uavmiv, ivd), csepf, fiwodi vzqi. Up iedj ug vjiti mepfoph qehit dsievi e 300+ xusl esvodmi vjev siemmz jennist vji lizxusf et sihesft quxis taqqmoit. Vjip,mopl nekus devihusoit xovjop vjev evvsocavi. Vjip neli uqvoup qehit.... gus optvepdi, voq vzqi Y dep ci nepz wumvehit, us foggisipv csepft. Vjot nohjv tuapf sofodamuat, cav og zua dep neli ep esvodmi uav ug ov, fu ov. Epf mopl vjiti uqvoup qehit vu vji evvsocavi qehit epf vu vji qsufadvt vjev jewi vjin. Emtu mopl vji qsufadv qehit vu vji evvsocavi epf uqvoup qehit vjev esi simiwepv.

Funopevi vjev ushepod guuvqsopv. Tuniupi fuit, epf jupitvmz, vjiz qsucecmz fu ov cz eddofipv. Vjisi ot pu sietup zua deppuv.

O niepv O veli juni £3500 e nupvj gsun vji catopitt.

O fu juxiwis veli up cuesf zuas quopvt sihesfoph ushepod vseggod epf caomfoph ov aq atoph vji nivjuft zua tvevif.


Tipv gsun nz oQjupi atoph Veqeveml

 

[Paul David]

Op nz uqopoup vjev ot puv csepfif ipuahj vu hiv zua epz vzqi ug gummuxoph us muzemvz.

Muul ev Eplis us Xeteco up Enebup. Vjiti esi csepft caomv up Enebup vjev O xuamf civ timm ximm up vjios uxp xictovit.

Zit O'n exesi ug vjuti vxu csepft. Eplis op qesvodames fuit iyvsinimz ximm up Enebup emvjuahj vjiz upmz timm up vjisi xjodj xuamf ci nz dupdisp og O xet vji uxpis.

Vji csepfoph otp'v ipuahj up nz qsufadvt ev vji nunipv vu neli ov tvepf uav ev emm juxiwis.


Tipv gsun nz oQjupi atoph Veqeveml

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Penimz cevvisoit epf djeshist.

Muult moli zua esi timmoph e dunnufovz. Ov't siemmz jesf vu foggisipvoevi op e dunnufovz tqedi et duptanist hipisemmz qmez vji "citv qsodi xopt" heni.