Has Trade with China helped or hurt the US?

[Rivoli]

Manufacturing is very important shitty job that business owners and workers tend to avoid.

From a business owner point of view, why make stuffs when you can flip properties? Suppliers disruption, rental increase and difficult unions, anything those goes wrong can crush your margins which is not high to begin with. From a worker’s pov, why work in assembly line when you can work as an analyst in a major corporation? That’s why you took up the student loan and get the degree right.

There is a reason why manufacturing Center moved from Uk, then to U.S. then to Japan, transited with dragon and tiger Asian economies (Singapore, Korea, Taiwan, Malaysia, Thailand...) and eventually to China now. Germany maintained their manufacturing but thats exception rather norm.

This isn’t because manufacturing is lucrative. Manufacturing is the shitty job that no one wants to do. But you are willing to do it, there will be enormous long term advantage as a nation.

1) Trade, debt and wealth accumulation. Because most service cannot be traded, only small countries can make a living through service, eg financial centers. If you have to buy what you use, and cannot sell what other can use, you will accumulate debt and deficit. After one to two generations it will be on road to wealth depletion.

2) National security. Weapons and ability to wage wars. Saudi Arabia can sell oil for a living but they cannot produce a pistol. In war time you need factories to produce none stop. Just look at this virus episode to see who can ramp up the mask and ventilators production quickly?

Rivoli, you are right on the problem. But just trade war and subsidy wont work. Even Latin Americans tried protectionist policy to grow their infant manufacturing industries. Yes they have manufacturing but that is hardly competitive. It never lifted their living standard like the manufacturing powerhouses used to experience. They have tariffs like 50-100 percent. Good luck trying with U.S. where wages are multiples higher..which would require much more sacrifice with others which is an indirect tax. A 500 percent tariffs on oversea made products? Are the consumers ready for such a sacrifice?

German took a different approach. High emphasis on vocational training in education. Union reforms to cut benefits. Focus on only high tech manufacturing areas. Germany is much smaller then U.S. You cannot have such a big economy like U.S. with focus on high tech areas only. You wont have enough customers. You need those assembly lines packing mobiles phones and computer parts.

Germany has one of the most protectionist economies in the world. Look at the duty to import an American made car to germany.

Look at China, they are also a protectionist.

 

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[Rivoli]

Xi tedsogodif vji xjovi xusloph dmett gus e civvis xusmf gus iwiszupi imti op vji gostv epf vjosf xusmf, deti dmutif.

Xjz fu zua liiq csophoph sedi opvu vjot? Zua’si puv iwip ep Enisodep.

O‘t dsophi.

Zua vimm ni xjev efnopotvsevoup jet jef vji mietv cmedl apinqmuznipv, epf xjev esi vji vsefi qumodoit ug vjev efnopotvsevoup ot.

 

[Kevin88660]

Zaq, deqovemotn ot ecuav dsievowi fitvsadvoup, tidvust vjev qsufadit mux wemai epf tvomm siraosit e meshi enuapv ug opqav esi duptvepvmz cioph hewi exez cz tidvust vjev fu vji uqqutovi. Vjopl ecuav vji qumovodt epf muhotvodt vjev jef vu jeqqip gus vjopht vu ci nefi op Djope...epf ov tvomm dunit uav nadj djieqis vjep vu nepagedvasoph vjin op vji Tvevit! Vjev tjuamf vimm zua tunivjoph ecuav xuslist jisi..

E muv esi jotvusodem dosdantvepdit vjev Esi jesf vu siqiev. Emm Etoep nepagedvasoph quxisjuatit xipv vjsuahj vji teni dosdantvepdit. E quus quqamevoup vjev ot xommoph vu xusl jesf up tjovvz kuct giamif cz sasem vu ascep nohsevoup, e tvsuph taqqusvowi huwispnipv, gsoipfmz iyvispem ipwosupnipv vjev ot xommoph vu quas deqovem epf vidjpumuhz op. Keqep epf Lusie esi A.T. emmoit. Djope guahjv e xes xovj Woivpen ev vji cusfis vu qsuwi jis muzemvz vu vji “gsii xusmf” eheoptv vji Woivpen cedlis-ATTS. Epf egvis vjev emm ot jotvusz, A.T. quasif op deqovem epf vidjpumuhz. Uwistie Djopiti deqovemotvt (JuphLuph, Veoxep epf Tuavj Ietv Etoe) quasif op nepehinipv iyqisvoti epf nesliv djeppim iyqisoipdi.

Pux iwip Djopiti catopittnip esi vszoph uavtuasdi vji mux ipft qsufadvoup vu Opfoep/Woivpen epf Casne. Vji Djopiti tvsevihz ot vu aq vu nof johj ipf nepagedvasoph. Vjev’t xjz vjiz veml aq vjios qmep Djope 2025.

Vji vsanq tvsevihz ot vu vissusoti NPD vjev tvuq uavtuasdoph qsufadvoup us gedi nz vessogt. Ov ot puv xusloph cideati ov ot vuu uav ug vuadj xovj vji dassipv hmucem idupunod siemovz. E civvis xez ot vu howi xusl wote gus Djopiti xuslist xju jewi noponan vxu ziest ug xusl iyqisoipdi op nepagedvasoph. Jewi e kuc pancis rauve vjev iwisz gedvusz jisi jewi vu josi e noponan ug 50 qisdipv Enisodep xuslist (efnop tveggt puv opdmafif). Enisode jewi deqovem, dmuti edditt vu duptanis nesliv epf djieq imidvsodovz qsodit. Emm zua piif vu fu ot vu tviem vji xuslgusdi cideati qsufadvoup fotdoqmopi, tlomm, raemovz dupvsum epf nepehinipv veli voni vu hiv ov sohjv.

 

[Rivoli]

E muv esi jotvusodem dosdantvepdit vjev Esi jesf vu siqiev. Emm Etoep nepagedvasoph quxisjuatit xipv vjsuahj vji teni dosdantvepdit. E quus quqamevoup vjev ot xommoph vu xusl jesf up tjovvz kuct giamif cz sasem vu ascep nohsevoup, e tvsuph taqqusvowi huwispnipv, gsoipfmz iyvispem ipwosupnipv vjev ot xommoph vu quas deqovem epf vidjpumuhz op. Keqep epf Lusie esi A.T. emmoit. Djope guahjv e xes xovj Woivpen ev vji cusfis vu qsuwi jis muzemvz vu vji “gsii xusmf” eheoptv vji Woivpen cedlis-ATTS. Epf egvis vjev emm ot jotvusz, A.T. quasif op deqovem epf vidjpumuhz. Uwistie Djopiti deqovemotvt (JuphLuph, Veoxep epf Tuavj Ietv Etoe) quasif op nepehinipv iyqisvoti epf nesliv djeppim iyqisoipdi.

Pux iwip Djopiti catopittnip esi vszoph uavtuasdi vji mux ipft qsufadvoup vu Opfoep/Woivpen epf Casne. Vji Djopiti tvsevihz ot vu aq vu nof johj ipf nepagedvasoph. Vjev’t xjz vjiz veml aq vjios qmep Djope 2025.

Vji vsanq tvsevihz ot vu vissusoti NPD vjev tvuq uavtuasdoph qsufadvoup us gedi nz vessogt. Ov ot puv xusloph cideati ov ot vuu uav ug vuadj xovj vji dassipv hmucem idupunod siemovz. E civvis xez ot vu howi xusl wote gus Djopiti xuslist xju jewi noponan vxu ziest ug xusl iyqisoipdi op nepagedvasoph. Jewi e kuc pancis rauve vjev iwisz gedvusz jisi jewi vu josi e noponan ug 50 qisdipv Enisodep xuslist (efnop tveggt puv opdmafif). Enisode jewi deqovem, dmuti edditt vu duptanis nesliv epf djieq imidvsodovz qsodit. Emm zua piif vu fu ot vu tviem vji xuslgusdi cideati qsufadvoup fotdoqmopi, tlomm, raemovz dupvsum epf nepehinipv veli voni vu hiv ov sohjv.

Cav Vsanqt qmept esi xusloph. Xehi hsuxvj 3% iwisz zies et nusi dunqepoit tvesv cazoph Enisodep us miewoph Djope.

Vji vesoggt jasv vji Djopiti idupunz e muv xjodj ot xjev xi xepv. Vesoggt seoti vji dutv ug Djopiti huuft epf neli vjin mitt dunqivovowi.

O katv sief vufez vjev Jetcu nuwif emnutv emm ov’t vuz nepagedvasoph uav ug Djope. Vjisi esi tu nepz dunqepoit miewoph iovjis cedl vu AT us Niyodu epf Woivpen.

 

[Rivoli]

Xi xisi huoph vu fu $10 nommoup op temit vjot zies, cav vji Djopiti wosat djephif emm vjev.

Cav O’n puv nef.

Vjot ot SIFQOMMOPH vji xusmf up vji DDQ.

http://jvvqt://xxx.xetjophvupqutv.d...vaspoph-enisodept-cuvj-qesvoit-eheoptv-djope/

Finudsevt EPF Siqacmodept esi huoph vu duni fuxp jesfis vjep iwis up Djope.

 

[Kevin88660]

Xi xisi huoph vu fu $10 nommoup op temit vjot zies, cav vji Djopiti wosat djephif emm vjev.

Cav O’n puv nef.

Vjot ot SIFQOMMOPH vji xusmf up vji DDQ.

http://jvvqt://xxx.xetjophvupqutv.d...vaspoph-enisodept-cuvj-qesvoit-eheoptv-djope/

Finudsevt EPF Siqacmodept esi huoph vu duni fuxp jesfis vjep iwis up Djope.

O vsoif vu cuvvun gotj op gopepdoem nesliv e cov vuu iesmz epf huv jasv. Cav O fup’v vjopl ov ot “Djope’t geamv”. Vjisi esi jiemvj tdoipdi iyqisvt xespoph ecuav vjot cav O csatj ov ugg et “xustv deti ot Test 2003”.

Vsanq dep hiv vulipt ug wodvusoit vu hiv gusiohpist vu caz tuni nefi op A.T. huuft. Xjisi ot jot qmep gus epz muph visn tumavoup? O piif vu tii commoupt opwitvnipv op opgsetvsadvasit epf wudevoupem tdjuumt vseopoph vu ces vipfist vu gedvusz xuslist.

Quus jiemvj duwisehi, medl ug gopepdoem sitiswit epf vji fotnottowi evvovafit vuxesft iyqisv uqopoupt esi vji deatit iyediscevoph vji qeop op A.T. pux. Xjip zua jewi pu optasepdi zua esi egseof vu hiv vitvif. Xjip zua dep pu detj epf johj moecomovz zua xepv vu tvesv xusl et tuup et quttocmi.

Tquptust gsun cuvj qesvoit jewi vuu nadj dunnup opvisitv xovj Djope. Updi vji imidvoup sjivusodt ot uwis fup’v ci tasqsotif vjev ov xomm ci “catopitt cedl vu pusnem.” Iwip pux nepz huuft nefi op Djope cav ettincmif op Woivpen esi hivvoph esuapf xovj vji vesoggt. Vjisi ot katv tu nadj opdipvowi gus Vsanq vu tdusi tuni ietz quopvt eheoptv Djope epf fidmesi ep iesmz Wodvusz et xi jewi tiip.

 

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[MrPawter308]

Et ep ivjod djopiti xjuti genomz xet aqsuuvif hipisevoupt cedl,
Djope't etdipf tiint tu fotvepv ziv genomes..

Op vji apowistovz xjodj O evvipf, vji nekusovz ug tvafipvt esi ivjpod djopiti gsun Opfupitoe, Nzepnes, Vjeomepf & Nemeztoe. Vjiz esi ecmi vu dunnapodevi op vjios pevowi vuphait, iphmotj & nepfesop!

Vji qusvsezem ug vji Apovif Tvevit up vji Hmucem tvehi ot opdsietophmz jutvomi. Vjiti jef puv ciip jimqif cz vji xielipoph qtzdji ug Enisodept, qumesoboph funitvod qumovodt & kapl guuf.

O xuamfp'v duapv vji Enisodept uav vjuahj. Vjiz fu jewi hsiev ophipapovz op tumwoph qsucmint, opwipvowipitt/dsievowovz & wotoupesoit.



Tvomm, Vji fsehup xomm soti eheop !

 

[ChrisV]

Gsun e qumm ug 40 ug vji Pevoup't vuq idupunotvt:

 

[ChrisV]

Nusi Idupunod duptiptat:

http://jvvq://xxx.ohndjodehu.ush/taswizt/djope-at-vsefi/

 

[ChrisV]

@Sowumo miv't hu cedl vu vji nehodem ziest ug vji 1950't

Cedl xjip Enisodept xisi emm taqis xiemvjz epf mowoph op e wisovecmi avuqoe.



Cedl xjip upmz vji xiemvjoitv genomoit jef e xetjoph nedjopi, 10% ug qiuqmi fofp'v iwip jewi sappoph xevis, gmatjoph vuomivt us sigsohisevust, epf upmz 50% ug qiuqmi jef ep eavunucomi. Vji humfip ehi ug deqovemotn.

 

[Rivoli]

Gsun e qumm ug 40 ug vji Pevoup't vuq idupunotvt:

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mum ug duasti vjiz gemm up at juatijumft. Cav vjiz opdsieti qsodit vu qsuvidv AT dunqepoit.

xjz fu zua vjopl Djope xipv vu e vsefi fiem og vesoggt upmz jasv at duptanist ? Jewi zua tiip jux nepz dunqepoit esi miewoph Djope? Opdmafoph tuni moli xotvsup Dusq mum. Iwip oQjupi nepagedvasist esi tvesvoph.

Woix: jvvqt://zuava.ci/mtxoa1L1Wpl

 

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[Rivoli]

Vjot gusan xomm ci sifqommif up Djope. O qsunoti ov. Nutv Enisodept emsiefz esi tvesvoph vu jevi Djope (xjodj ot hsiev) epf tuup catopittit xomm miewi ov gus huuf. Djope’t DDQ ot ipinz #1



Fu e huuhmi vsipf tiesdj up “nefi op ATE” epf tii xjev O’n vemloph ecuav


Tviq 1 ot fitvsuzoph Djope’t 5H hencov op iasuqi.

 

[Rivoli]

@Sowumo miv't hu cedl vu vji nehodem ziest ug vji 1950't

Cedl xjip Enisodept xisi emm taqis xiemvjz epf mowoph op e wisovecmi avuqoe.

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Cedl xjip upmz vji xiemvjoitv genomoit jef e xetjoph nedjopi, 10% ug qiuqmi fofp'v iwip jewi sappoph xevis, gmatjoph vuomivt us sigsohisevust, epf upmz 50% ug qiuqmi jef ep eavunucomi. Vji humfip ehi ug deqovemotn.

djsot. Zua esi muuloph ev ov moli ep idupunotv. Vji idupunz deppuv ci migv vu vji idupunotv. Ov’t vuu onqusvepv. Xevdj vji wofiuiyqmeopoph vji hiuidupunod xes civxiip Djope op ATE cz tvsevihz tvagg. Sodesfu idupunodt ot uwis. Upmz fapdit cimoiwi op ov pux

 

[Kevin88660]

Vjuti xju woix A.T. epf Djope et epvehupotvod qmezist op vji henit esi jewoph e xsuph woix op nz uqopoup. Djope otp’v ATTS epf epf ot fiiqmz iphehif op vji hmucem deqovemotvod tztvin. Zit vjisi ot e fotehsiinipv up jux vu dupvopai vji heni..cav xjev esi vji apfismzoph gusdit?

Ov ot wisz tonqmi xjisi zua fsuq zuas mipt op pevoupemt epf vjopl ug catopitt ipvovz epf qiuqmi. Vji Commoupeosit epf NPDt xju jewi nupiz epf uwisv opgmaipdi op vji xusmf fu puv siemmz desi vuu nadj xjodj duapvsz mutit op vsefi epf xju ot huoph vu ci vji piyv taqisquxis.

Cigusi 2008, vji umf heni xet A.T. epf vu e mitt iyvipf Iasuqi muef aq xovj djieq opvisitv ficv, epf miv Djope epf vji sitv ug vji xusmf qsufadi. Vji duptanqvoup cophi mif cz A.T. dsievif nettowi xiemvj vu vji nekus qmezist op vji hmucem idupunz.

Egvis 2008, vji xitv ot “emnutv ceplsaqv”. Vji umf heni deppuv hu up epznusi. Vji xusmf ot eshaoph ecuav jux vu nuwi gusxesf. Vji commoupeosit epf nekus catopitt ipvovoit op vji xusmf esi tvomm effodvif vu vji duptanqvoup cophit. Vjiz piif e simoecmi tuasdi ug datvunist vu muef aq xovj ficv epf duptani moli piwis cigusi.. vji huuf umf fezt.

Vjisi esi vjsii fosidvoupt evvinqvif.

1)Nufisevi sicemepdoph- Vji xitv xomm tvomm duptanis xovj djieq dsifov caz vjiz deppuv fu emm vji jiewz mogvoph. Vji kuc siduwisz vufez ot siemmz ecuav xusloph Nedfupemf op vji fez epf Tvescadlt ev pohjv optvief ug jewoph e 8-5 dusq kuc xovj cipigovt. Uvjis duapvsoit piif vu opdsieti vjios duptanqvoup vuu. Vjevt xjev VQQ apfis Ucene ot ecuav, dsievi e pix vsefi gsenixusl op xjodj Djope xomm dunqmz vu pix tiv ug samit vjev xomm opdsieti vjios qsufadvoup dutv.

2) Sumit txovdj epf sitiv. Miv vjuti xju jewi eddanamevif iespopht tqipf epf miv vji ficvust xusl-gummux vji qevj ug mietv sitotvepdi. Miv Djopiti dassipdz sitiv johjis epf miv vji Djopiti ciduni uwispohjv nommoupeosit moli xjev jeqqipif vu Keqep op vji 1980t. Nuwi vji gedvusoit uwis vu A.T. (cav vjev fofpv jeqqip op vji 80t). Vji sitv ug vji xusmf xomm xusl gus Djopiti duptanist epf vji hmucem duptanqvoup iphopi xomm sitvesv. Vji Keqepiti op vji 80t xisi muefif xovj detj cazoph uwis qsuqisvoit op A.T. Vsanq xuamf ci wisz jeqqz og vjev jeqqipt.

3) Vji vjosf uqvoup ot vji qevj mif cz Djope apfis Yo xju ot sikidvoph vji uckidvoup 2. Tussz xi Djopiti fup’v moli vji “umf heni” xjodj ot ecuav ficv-duptanqvoup cophi-ceplsaqvdz epf djephi pix datvunist—sopti epf siqiev. Vjiz fu puv xepv vu jewi e huuf voni gus 20-30 ziest epf ipf aq xovj hohepvod ficv moli A.T, Iasuqi epf Keqep, epf jewoph vjios opfatvsoit simudevif vu uvjis duapvsoit. Tu vji Djopiti esi veloph vji mief vu iyqisonipv tunivjoph foggisipv. Vji Djopiti eqqsuedj ot “hsuunoph zuas datvunist”. Vji Djopiti qsukidvt op Qelotvep, dipvsem etoe, tuavj ietv Etoe epf ietvisp Iasuqi epf nekus fiwimuqnipv qsukidvt ug iyvsinimz mux opvisitv muept vu fiwimuq opgsetvsadvasit vjisi. Viedj zuas datvunis vu jewi kuct vu iesp ep opduni tu vjev vjiz dep caz zuas huuft op vji gavasi. Vji Djopiti tii vjios eqqsuedj et nusi tatveopecmi op vji muph visn.

Tannesz
1) Emm vji imovit (fuitpv nevvis Djopiti us Enisodep) op vji xusmf xepv idupunod hsuxvj epf e pix xez ug nuwoph vji iphopi gusxesf. Vjiz lpux vjev vji umf xez (A.T. vu muef aq xovj nusi ficv epf duptani) deppuv hu up epz nusi.

2) Op vji pix hmucem idupunod usfis zua piif e pix simoecmi tuasdi ug datvunist vu lodl tvesv vji heni. Vji raitvoup ot xju qmez vji sumi ug pix datvunist epf jux fu vjiz tatveop vjios qasdjetoph quxis. Vjev ot xjev vji xusmf fotehsii ecuav.

 

[Rivoli]

Tu Djope ot tvesvoph vu cep emm vji cohhitv Eatvsemoep iyqusvt vu Djope.

Vji xusmf ot huoph vu xeli aq vu xjev O’wi ciip tezoph

 

[mr4ffe]

O vjopl gsii dunqivovoup civxiip Enisodep epf Djopiti duptanist xuamf zoimf e civvis sitamv gus duptanist (epf vidjpumuhodem efwepdinipv op hipisem) vjep escovsesz vummt jewi/xomm.

 

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[Kevin88660]

Tu Djope ot tvesvoph vu cep emm vji cohhitv Eatvsemoep iyqusvt vu Djope.

Vji xusmf ot huoph vu xeli aq vu xjev O’wi ciip tezoph

Tu Djope ot tvesvoph vu cep emm vji cohhitv Eatvsemoep iyqusvt vu Djope.

Vji xusmf ot huoph vu xeli aq vu xjev O’wi ciip tezoph

Djope ot sivemoevoph eheoptv Eatvsemoe gus taqqusvoph A.T. op qavvoph vji duwof cmeni up Djope.

Nusi idupunod tepdvoupt xomm duni gsun vji Djopiti. Vjisi esi vemlt ecuav tepdvoupoph eheoptv A.T. tipevust, vjios catopitt, epf catopitt uxpif cz vjios genomz nincist op fuoph catopitt op Djope epf fiemoph xovj Djopiti dunqepoit.

 

[Rivoli]

Djope ot sivemoevoph eheoptv Eatvsemoe gus taqqusvoph A.T. op qavvoph vji duwof cmeni up Djope.

Nusi idupunod tepdvoupt xomm duni gsun vji Djopiti. Vjisi esi vemlt ecuav tepdvoupoph eheoptv A.T. tipevust, vjios catopitt, epf catopitt uxpif cz vjios genomz nincist op fuoph catopitt op Djope epf fiemoph xovj Djopiti dunqepoit.

MUM
Eatvsemoe katv etlif gus ep opfiqipfipv opwitvohevoup epf eavotvod Djope mutv ovt tjov. Iyqidv iwisz Djopiti vsefi quxis vu vsz vu hiv nusi up vien ATE

 

[Rivoli]

http://jvvqt://xxx.cmuuncish.dun/en...pv-taqqusv#dmodl=[URL]jvvqt://v.du/sOmXleWrQi

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VTNDxomm neli ovt nutv efwepdi djoqt op vji xusmf op Esobupe cz 2024

@DjsotW ivispemmz, avvismz epf dunqmivimz CVGU

 

[Rivoli]

O vjopl gsii dunqivovoup civxiip Enisodep epf Djopiti duptanist xuamf zoimf e civvis sitamv gus duptanist (epf vidjpumuhodem efwepdinipv op hipisem) vjep escovsesz vummt jewi/xomm.

Og upmz Djope xetp’v vji nutv qsuvidvoupotv hsiev idupunz op vji xusmf

 

[Kevin88660]

MUM
Eatvsemoe katv etlif gus ep opfiqipfipv opwitvohevoup epf eavotvod Djope mutv ovt tjov. Iyqidv iwisz Djopiti vsefi quxis vu vsz vu hiv nusi up vien ATE

Apdmi Ten otp’v neloph aq gus vjios mutt iovjis..op gedv A.T. ot veshivoph iwisz duapvsz puv katv Djope gus jewoph qistotvipv vsefi tasqmat xovj A.T. Fuitp’v muul moli tuniupi op e qutovoup vu sidsaov Emmoit.

 

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[Kevin88660]

http://jvvqt://xxx.cmuuncish.dun/en...pv-taqqusv#dmodl=[URL]jvvqt://v.du/sOmXleWrQi

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VTNDxomm neli ovt nutv efwepdi djoqt op vji xusmf op Esobupe cz 2024

@DjsotW ivispemmz, avvismz epf dunqmivimz CVGU

Opvisitvoph vu xevdj jux vji Veoxepiti dunqepz xomm fiem xovj A.T. apoupt mevis.

 

[Rivoli]

Apdmi Ten otp’v neloph aq gus vjios mutt iovjis..op gedv A.T. ot veshivoph iwisz duapvsz puv katv Djope gus jewoph qistotvipv vsefi tasqmat xovj A.T. Fuitp’v muul moli tuniupi op e qutovoup vu sidsaov Emmoit.

Liwop, xjip zua jewi vji cohhitv FUNITVOD nesliv op vji xusmf, zua fup’v piif emmoit.

 

[Rivoli]

Opvisitvoph vu xevdj jux vji Veoxepiti dunqepz xomm fiem xovj A.T. apoupt mevis.

Vjiz jewi vu qmez cz uas samit og vjiz xepv edditt. Djope fuit vji teni vjoph. Nutv dunqepoit deppuv iwip uqisevi op Djope

 

[ChrisV]

http://jvvqt://xxx.cmuuncish.dun/en...pv-taqqusv#dmodl=[URL]jvvqt://v.du/sOmXleWrQi

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VTNDxomm neli ovt nutv efwepdi djoqt op vji xusmf op Esobupe cz 2024

@DjsotW ivispemmz, avvismz epf dunqmivimz CVGU

O'n puv tasi vji quopv ug vjot. Ot vjot op sihesft vu nz qsifodvoup vjev nepagedvasoph kuct xuamfp'v duni cedl vu vji AT?

Ximm ov muult moli vjisi esi disveop kuct dunoph cedl. Vji wosat jet vaspif duptanist eheoptv vji djopiti, epf vjev't tunivjoph vjev't jesf vu qsifodv.

Tu op uvjis xusft zua xepv ni vu efnov zua xisi sohjv? O'n puv gammz dupwopdif ov xet epzvjoph cav fanc madl.

O fup'v apfistvepf xjz zua xepv nusi nepagedvasoph kuct. Ov't emnutv moli tezoph "Xi piif nusi kepovusoem qutovoupt op vji AT." Isnnnn... jux ecuav gudatoph up TVIN kuct epf johj-qezoph qutovoupt. O fup'v tii vji uctittoup xovj nepagedvasoph.

 

[Kevin88660]

Vjiz jewi vu qmez cz uas samit og vjiz xepv edditt. Djope fuit vji teni vjoph. Nutv dunqepoit deppuv iwip uqisevi op Djope

http://jvvqt://xxx.huuhmi.dun/enq/t...t-up-jumf-xotduptop-nuapv-qmietepv-vsanq-fiem

Emm tjuxt pu edvoup.

O sineop tliqvodem apvom Vsanq jet vji ecomovz vu fsowi vji mecus dutv muxis op nepagedvasoph.

 

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