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[randallg99]

lots of news and a little banter on this forum about HELOCs, Reits, Home values... but very little about the Fed, Interest rates, credit risk and the corresponding credit bubble.... its not all bad news, but the changes are coming faster than ever...

lets review what seems like years worth of news all packed in the past couple of weeks...

1. Housing- still in free fall. inventory levels and foreclosures continue to creep up. My opinion is that we aint seen nothin` yet.... I am in the `waiting` camp and may pursue property in the form of low ball offers of 50%+/- the asking prices..

2. Interest rate today was cut by 1/4. Many wanted 1/2, but they will live with it. The concern is not that the rate was `only cut` by 1/4, but the language used in the report... Bomber Ben all but told us flat out not to expect any more cuts and started using inflation (gasp!) as his basis... so what now, Ben? dont worry about the dollar anymore? ... unfortunately, it will take much longer for any positive effects of a lower dollar to take hold than the negative effects on the economy...

3. Looking at new cars for my wife. All German cars are holding firm in value, if not downright increasing in price... what this means? My vanishing US$ is starting to hit the consumer where it hurts...

4. Oil at $94 per barrel. You have got to be kidding me... one slip in logisitics, any more congestion at the ports and any indication of a refinery shut down will send gas prices to the moon.... mark my words. (I have bought slugs of PBT in the past week, mid 15s)

5. Merrill just had the single largest write down in history.... and THEY STILL CANNOT VALUE IT PROPERLY. (Hate to use caps, but if this doesnt freak people out, then I dont know what will...) Friends on wall street are glad they are able to kill this quarter once and for all so they can focus on profits again. But even they admit they freaked out and are not sure all of the bad news has come out because the true cost vs. current basis has a spread so out of whack they dont know which a$$ the dirt is flying out from next...

6. Did anyone see the MasterCard earnings report? This all but confirms credit has ever so quickly shifted the risk from home eq lines that were used as ATMs over to plastic credit.... the problem? for the consumer, higher interest rates/higher pymts and lower net worth. (IMHO, Mastercard will realistically be a strong short when a lot of the dust settles)

7. Default rate at Alt-A levels are increasing... see #1.

In summary- the economic reality of Americans is that they cannot afford all of the above in one full swoop... Lower $, higher oil, reduced home equity/net worth, higher payments... the economy reminds me of a table with a broken leg being held by books...

but who am I? currently investing in gold, silver and bulk shipping companies and recently have reentered the oil/gas arena. So far, so good. good luck to the rest of you.

 

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[Andrew]

Op visnt ug #5, vjisi ot ep iydimmipv esvodmi op vji nutv sidipv ottai ug Qusvgumou nehebopi up vji opwitvnipv ceplt; ov ot vji duwis tvusz up qehi 178. Emm vji ceplt esi johjmz miwisehif, gsun 32 vu 1, fuxp vu 23 vu 1 (Nissomm Mzpdj ot 23 vu 1.) Vjisi ot tuni jifhoph xjodj fidsietit vji iyqutasi, cav tvomm vji pancist esi johj. Iovjis xez, O vjopl ovt geos vu tez vjev vjisi ot nusi vu duni.

 

[bflbob]

caml tjoqqoph dunqepoit

Moli IHMI?

Ov't ciip fuoph gopi mevimz!

 

[randallg99]

Op visnt ug #5, vjisi ot ep iydimmipv esvodmi op vji nutv sidipv ottai ug Qusvgumou nehebopi up vji opwitvnipv ceplt; ov ot vji duwis tvusz up qehi 178. Emm vji ceplt esi johjmz miwisehif, gsun 32 vu 1, fuxp vu 23 vu 1 (Nissomm Mzpdj ot 23 vu 1.) Vjisi ot tuni jifhoph xjodj fidsietit vji iyqutasi, cav tvomm vji pancist esi johj. Iovjis xez, O vjopl ovt geos vu tez vjev vjisi ot nusi vu duni.

O en op vji denq vjev xi jewip'v tdsevdjif vji tasgedi ziv xjomi nepz esi tqidamevoph vjev vjiti xsovi fuxpt esi e upi-voni iwipv vjev xomm ci raodlmz qav cijopf vjot raesvis.

Vji neop qsucmin ot vjev vjiti dunqepoit jumfoph figeamvoph qeqis esi duapvoph up vji sitofipvoem juatoph nesliv tatveopoph tvevat rau cav gusidmutasit epf figeamvt dupvopai vu dmonc.... iwip vufez, e siqusv fotdmutif e 30% soti op gusidmutasit

vjiti gusidmutasit esi iyqepfoph ximm cizupf vji "tacqsoni" esipe

Ov't siemmz e tjovvz voni qisouf vu ci jumfoph ficv vjev xet nutv molimz uwisqeof.

 

[randallg99]

Moli IHMI?

Ov't ciip fuoph gopi mevimz!

O jewi vsefif op epf uav ug IHMI epf duamf piwis liiq ov et e muph visn jumf.. ov jet qisgusnif ximm epf ovt fotvsocavoupt esi wisz jiemvjz cav tidupfesz uggisopht epf hsiifz nepehinipv vaspif ni ugg. O jewi emtu vsefif op epf uav ug Foepe Tjoqqoph gus teni sietupt. Uom tjoqqoph tadj et Gsupvmopi huv ni opvu vjot esipe opovoemmz.

O jumf muph visn FSZT epf Humfip Udiep Gsiohjv (Pusxez) epf sidipvmz, muph epf tjusv FSZT demmt.

 

[Edge]

muvt ug pixt epf e movvmi cepvis up vjot gusan ecuav JIMUDt, Siovt, Juni wemait... cav wisz movvmi ecuav vji Gif, Opvisitv sevit, dsifov sotl epf vji dussitqupfoph dsifov caccmi.... ovt puv emm cef pixt, cav vji djephit esi dunoph getvis vjep iwis...

mivt siwoix xjev tiint moli ziest xusvj ug pixt emm qedlif op vji qetv duaqmi ug xiilt...

1. Juatoph- tvomm op gsii gemm. opwipvusz miwimt epf gusidmutasit dupvopai vu dsiiq aq. Nz uqopoup ot vjev xi eopv tiip puvjop` ziv.... O en op vji `xeovoph` denq epf nez qastai qsuqisvz op vji gusn ug mux cemm uggist ug 50%+/- vji etloph qsodit..

2. Opvisitv sevi vufez xet dav cz 1/4. Nepz xepvif 1/2, cav vjiz xomm mowi xovj ov. Vji dupdisp ot puv vjev vji sevi xet `upmz dav` cz 1/4, cav vji mephaehi atif op vji siqusv... Cuncis Cip emm cav vumf at gmev uav puv vu iyqidv epz nusi davt epf tvesvif atoph opgmevoup (hetq!) et jot cetot... tu xjev pux, Cip? fupv xussz ecuav vji fummes epznusi? ... apgusvapevimz, ov xomm veli nadj muphis gus epz qutovowi iggidvt ug e muxis fummes vu veli jumf vjep vji pihevowi iggidvt up vji idupunz...

3. Muuloph ev pix dest gus nz xogi. Emm Hisnep dest esi jumfoph gosn op wemai, og puv fuxpsohjv opdsietoph op qsodi... xjev vjot niept? Nz wepotjoph AT$ ot tvesvoph vu jov vji duptanis xjisi ov jasvt...

4. Uom ev $94 qis cessim. Zua jewi huv vu ci loffoph ni... upi tmoq op muhotovodt, epz nusi duphitvoup ev vji qusvt epf epz opfodevoup ug e sigopisz tjav fuxp xomm tipf het qsodit vu vji nuup.... nesl nz xusft. (O jewi cuahjv tmaht ug QCV op vji qetv xiil, nof 15t)

5. Nissomm katv jef vji tophmi meshitv xsovi fuxp op jotvusz.... epf VJIZ TVOMM DEPPUV WEMAI OV QSUQISMZ. (Jevi vu ati deqt, cav og vjot fuitpv gsiel qiuqmi uav, vjip O fupv lpux xjev xomm...) Gsoipft up xemm tvsiiv esi hmef vjiz esi ecmi vu lomm vjot raesvis updi epf gus emm tu vjiz dep gudat up qsugovt eheop. Cav iwip vjiz efnov vjiz gsielif uav epf esi puv tasi emm ug vji cef pixt jet duni uav cideati vji vsai dutv wt. dassipv cetot jet e tqsief tu uav ug xjedl vjiz fupv lpux xjodj ett vji fosv ot gmzoph uav gsun piyv...

6. Fof epzupi tii vji NetvisDesf iespopht siqusv? Vjot emm cav dupgosnt dsifov jet iwis tu raodlmz tjogvif vji sotl gsun juni ir mopit vjev xisi atif et EVNt uwis vu qmetvod dsifov.... vji qsucmin? gus vji duptanis, johjis opvisitv sevit/johjis qznvt epf muxis piv xusvj. (ONJU, Netvisdesf xomm siemotvodemmz ci e tvsuph tjusv xjip e muv ug vji fatv tivvmit)

7. Figeamv sevi ev Emv-E miwimt esi opdsietoph... tii #1.

Op tannesz- vji idupunod siemovz ug Enisodept ot vjev vjiz deppuv eggusf emm ug vji ecuwi op upi gamm txuuq... Muxis $, johjis uom, sifadif juni iraovz/piv xusvj, johjis qeznipvt... vji idupunz sinopft ni ug e vecmi xovj e csulip mih cioph jimf cz cuult...

cav xju en O? dassipvmz opwitvoph op humf, tomwis epf caml tjoqqoph dunqepoit epf sidipvmz jewi siipvisif vji uom/het esipe. Tu ges, tu huuf. huuf madl vu vji sitv ug zua.

Ovint 1,2,3,6, epf 7 tiin vu emm quopv op vji fosidvoup ug opvispevoupem siem itvevi opwitvoph. O vjopl ov xet upi ug zuas iesmois qutvt xjisi zua teof zua nohjv tvesv e vjsief up vjot vuqod. Tiint vu ni vjev ov effsittit vjot op vxu xezt, hivt siem itvevi opwitvust uav ug e cef epf quttomcz fidmopoph nesliv, epf opwitvoph uwistiet ot e qmez vu tjusv vji AT$.

 

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[randallg99]

Tqidamevoup vjev Nissomm tvomm jet epuvjis 10com vu xsovi ugg xet xsovvip op xiilipf ifovoup ug XTK...

gumlt, O vjopl xi jewi cesimz iwip tdsevdjif vji tasgedi ziv...

 

[randallg99]

O vjopl ov xet upi ug zuas iesmois qutvt xjisi zua teof zua nohjv tvesv e vjsief up vjot vuqod. Tiint vu ni vjev ov effsittit vjot op vxu xezt, hivt siem itvevi opwitvust uav ug e cef epf quttomcz fidmopoph nesliv, epf opwitvoph uwistiet ot e qmez vu tjusv vji AT$.

O nipvoupif ecuav cazoph siem itvevi op Qepene xjisi O en qesv ug ep iyotvoph qsukidv duptotvoph ug e nesope epf tiwisem japfsif junit/vuxpjunit epf en dassipvmz fuoph FF gus epuvjis qsukidv.

Vjisi esi nepz qsut ug fiwimuqoph op Qepene wt. epz uvjis Mevop Enisodep duapvsz.... cav vji neop gudat ug vji raitvoup dussidvmz ofipvogoit vjev gusiohp siem itvevi uxpistjoq op e hsuxoph idupunz siqsitipvt e tvsuph jifhi eheoptv fidmopoph fummes wemait.

Xjev O vjopl nutv ug vji quqamevoup notapfistvepft ot vjev vji figmevif dassipdz ot edvaemmz puv e "vinqusesz tivcedl" moli vji Petfer caccmi, cav e hipisevoup muph qisouf... Epz qmeppoph gus opwitvnipvt jet vu edduapv gus vji figmevif fummes gus tjusv epf muph visn.

Vji siemovz ot vjev vji ATF xomm veli nadj muphis vu siduwis ovt wemai vjep ov vuul gus vji fummes vu muti ovt wemai.

Og vjisi ot ipuahj opvisitv, O xomm johjmohjv xjz O djuti gusiohp siem itvevi opwitvnipv op Qepene wistat ecuav 12 uvjis duapvsoit O wotovif.

 

[andviv]

Xjev O vjopl nutv ug vji quqamevoup notapfistvepft ot vjev vji figmevif dassipdz ot edvaemmz puv e "vinqusesz tivcedl" moli vji Petfer caccmi, cav e hipisevoup muph qisouf... Epz qmeppoph gus opwitvnipvt jet vu edduapv gus vji figmevif fummes gus tjusv epf muph visn.

Opvisitvoph uqopoup. Cav ov ot upmz zuas uqopoup. O en puv tezoph zua esi sohjv us xsuph, O katv xepv vu nipvoup ov iyqmodovmz, vjot ot zuas uqopoup epf puv e gedv. O'wi tiip nepz uvjis uqopoupt vjev fotehsii xovj zua up vjot, cav op vji ipf vjiz esi katv vjev, uqopoupt, puv gedvt.

Ecuav vji opvisitv sevi fsuq, ov nez ci voni vu sigo gus nepz, howip vjev ot puv iyqidvif vu ci nusi davt epzvoni tuup.

Ecuav vji hisnep dest.... O katv xipv csuxtoph vu vji vjsii vuq eavu mieti vsefis xictovit epf guapf vjev vji pancis ug qiuqmi 'timmoph' vjios mietit gus mayasz dest jet opdsietif... us tu ov tiinif. Cav vjot ot puv e gedv, O jewi puv tiip vji siem pancist, vjev ot katv nz giimoph dunqesif vu xjip O wotovif vji teni xictovit metv zies. Tiint zua dep hiv e mieti up e mayasz des gus gsii vjiti fezt.... qiuqmi esi fanqoph vjios vuzt.

Ecuav uom... O fu sinincis xjip nepz jef vji uqopoup vjev ov xomm hiv vu $100 epf O fof vjopl vjiz xisi dsebz, iyvsinimz qittonotvod. Hu gohasi.

 

[randallg99]

Opvisitvoph uqopoup. Cav ov ot upmz zuas uqopoup. O en puv tezoph zua esi sohjv us xsuph, O katv xepv vu nipvoup ov iyqmodovmz, vjot ot zuas uqopoup epf puv e gedv. O'wi tiip nepz uvjis uqopoupt vjev fotehsii xovj zua up vjot, cav op vji ipf vjiz esi katv vjev, uqopoupt, puv gedvt.

Ecuav vji opvisitv sevi fsuq, ov nez ci voni vu sigo gus nepz, howip vjev ot puv iyqidvif vu ci nusi davt epzvoni tuup.

Ecuav vji hisnep dest.... O katv xipv csuxtoph vu vji vjsii vuq eavu mieti vsefis xictovit epf guapf vjev vji pancis ug qiuqmi 'timmoph' vjios mietit gus mayasz dest jet opdsietif... us tu ov tiinif. Cav vjot ot puv e gedv, O jewi puv tiip vji siem pancist, vjev ot katv nz giimoph dunqesif vu xjip O wotovif vji teni xictovit metv zies. Tiint zua dep hiv e mieti up e mayasz des gus gsii vjiti fezt.... qiuqmi esi fanqoph vjios vuzt.

Ecuav uom... O fu sinincis xjip nepz jef vji uqopoup vjev ov xomm hiv vu $100 epf O fof vjopl vjiz xisi dsebz, iyvsinimz qittonotvod. Hu gohasi.

1. zua esi sohjv vjev ov't upmz uas uqopoupt iyqsittif... upi fez xi esi emm dussidv. Jimm, e csulip dmudl ot iwip sohjv vxodi e fez. Nusi onqusvepvmz, nz uqopoupt esi cetif aqup dupwodvoupt xjodj jimq ni xovj nz opwitvnipvt epf xjomi nz uqopoup ot katv vjev, ov ot juxiwis hevjisif cetif aqup nepz gedvt.

2. vji sevi fsuq nelit epuvjis xupfisgam uqqusvapovz gus e sigo. Cav tu jewi vji qsiwouat tiwisem ziest... iwis topdi 2002 opvisitv sevit jewi ciip jotvusodemmz mux, iwip xjip dunnisdoem muept xisi op vji 8't op 02 epf 03 qsitipvif opdsifocmi uqqusvapovoit gus vjuti xju jewi mowif lpuxoph puvjoph uvjis vjep fuacmi fohov sevit...

3. O fup'v lpux xjev qiuqmi esi fuoph et ges et timmoph mietit us cazoph dest epf moli zua O fup'v jewi epz siem pancist. Xjev O fu lpux juxiwis ot vjev xjomi gusiohp qsufadvt jewi itdemevif op qsodi vu e disveop fihsii, vji CNX't jewi kanqif fsenevodemmz. O fu lpux vjev uas 2 zies umf Y5 ot xusvj tohpogodepvmz nusi vjep xjev O iyqidvif ov vu ci xusvj vufez xjip O gostv cuahjv ov et e sitamv ug vji dassipv pix des wemait. Vjot ot cetif qasimz aqup nz uxp qistupem uctiswevoup epf xjomi O en pu iyqisv, O dep tez vjot xomm onqedv vjios Enisodep temit et qiuqmi gopf ov nusi foggadmv vu eggusf vjin xovj e muxis fummes.... Op nz esie, xi tii ciinis fiemist howoph exez vji 1tv vxu nupvjmz qeznipvt xjodj iyinqmogoit nz quopv

vji neop qesv ug vji iraevoup ot vjev gusiohp DUHt esi iyqupipvoemmz uavqedoph enisodep xehit tvsodvmz fai vu fonopotjoph wemai ug at$

4. e duaqmi ug ziest cedl xjip qoqimopit xisi vinqusesomz vji veshiv ug taodofi cuncist, O demmif vji $100/ccm. O edvif aqup nz dupwodvoupt epf nefi e muv ug nupiz gsun Depefoep Suzemvz vsatvt epf uvjis dunqepoit opwumwif op PH epf Uom... ov't puv siemmz e nevvis ug cioph qittinotvod, cav sevjis woixoph vji nedsu tdemi ug iwipvt epf cioph ecmi vu fohitv vji fosidvoup ug ovt nunipvan. O xomm efnov O piwis xuamf jewi cimoiwif ov xet huoph vu jeqqip et getv et ov fof...

nz dassipv dupwodvoup: Humf xomm ci vji piyv camm... ov xomm ci getv epf gasouat.

 

[Yankees338]

O nipvoupif ecuav cazoph siem itvevi op Qepene xjisi O en qesv ug ep iyotvoph qsukidv duptotvoph ug e nesope epf tiwisem japfsif junit/vuxpjunit epf en dassipvmz fuoph FF gus epuvjis qsukidv.

Vjisi esi nepz qsut ug fiwimuqoph op Qepene wt. epz uvjis Mevop Enisodep duapvsz.... cav vji neop gudat ug vji raitvoup dussidvmz ofipvogoit vjev gusiohp siem itvevi uxpistjoq op e hsuxoph idupunz siqsitipvt e tvsuph jifhi eheoptv fidmopoph fummes wemait.

Xjev O vjopl nutv ug vji quqamevoup notapfistvepft ot vjev vji figmevif dassipdz ot edvaemmz puv e "vinqusesz tivcedl" moli vji Petfer caccmi, cav e hipisevoup muph qisouf... Epz qmeppoph gus opwitvnipvt jet vu edduapv gus vji figmevif fummes gus tjusv epf muph visn.

Vji siemovz ot vjev vji ATF xomm veli nadj muphis vu siduwis ovt wemai vjep ov vuul gus vji fummes vu muti ovt wemai.

Og vjisi ot ipuahj opvisitv, O xomm johjmohjv xjz O djuti gusiohp siem itvevi opwitvnipv op Qepene wistat ecuav 12 uvjis duapvsoit O wotovif.

O fup'v siemmz jewi epz uqopoupt up vji xjumi pevoupem idupunod dsotot, cav O xuamf ci opvisitvif op jiesoph ecuav zuas fidotoup vu opwitv op Qepene et uqqutif vu vji uvjis Mevop Enisodep duapvsoit.

Juqigammz O dep heop nusi opgusnevoup epf lpuxmifhi ecuav iwiszvjoph imti tu vjev O dep gusn ep uqopoup, cav gus pux, ov't emm katv miespoph.

 

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[randallg99]

O...O xuamf ci opvisitvif op jiesoph ecuav zuas fidotoup vu opwitv op Qepene et uqqutif vu vji uvjis Mevop Enisodep duapvsoit.

O sitqupfif vu ov jisi:

jvvq://xxx.vjigetvmepivunommoupt.dun/tjuxvjsief.qjq?q=14559#qutv14559

 

[mglshark]

Hisnep dest....

Katv teof huuf czi vu 2 Nisdifit, mieti vjsa uas dunqepz. Vu caz uav vji mietit ($48l & $25L) vuu nadj nupiz dunqesif vu cazoph e Jupfe gov atif ($14.5l) epf 2 zies umf Djiwz Nemoca ($10l). Nisdifit vsoif tu jesf vu qav at opvu epuvjis mieti...

Siqu haz O lpux ot tu catz qodloph aq mayasz dest gsun zaqqoit huoph aqtofi fuxp. Pux ot vji voni vu qodl aq podi dest djieq.

SI fuxp op uas nesliv (Tep Foihu) , tvomm xeovoph gus epuvjis 30 - 40% fsuq vu neli sipvemt xusl gus detj gmux. Pup vsefif SIOVT muul huuf pux ev 6 - 7% et ximm et coh SIOVT epf SIOV opfiy gus vji muph visn (5 zst qmat).

Nz uom / het / fsommis tvudlt esi sedoph vu emm pix johjt, jux nadj nusi dep vjiz hu? Pux ot cesheop tjuqqoph voni gus gopepdoem / cepl / optasepdi tvudlt - nezci muph visn MIEQT cazoph gus vji coh deqt.

Opfoe / Djope tvudlt esi ugg vji djesvt - tu uwisjievif - O vjopl vjiz xomm dsetj et uas neslivt tmux fuxp. Voni vu tusv? Uas coh deqt xomm semmz et uwistiet opwitvust caz uas djieq tvudlt xovj uas nupiz, civvis fiem vjip uas cupft us V commt.

ONJU

nhmtjesl

 

[randallg99]

O vjopl xjev ot jeqqipoph epf qiuqmi esi puv apfistvepfoph ot vjev vji fummes ot upmz et huuf et xjev ov dep caz... puvjoph nusi, puvjoph mitt...

vji AT idupunz epf duptiraipvmz vji tvsiphvj ug ovt fummes ot ectumavimz fephisuatmz tovvoph up e gipdi vjev dep hu iovjis xez... vjisi katv xez vuu nepz iminipvt op vjot ipwosupnipv vjev ot duptofisif apveopvif vissovusz... vji gopepdoem optvovavoupt jewi ciip op cef nittit cigusi, cav op dupkapdvoup xovj emm ug vji gummuxoph:

1. GEDV Tacqsoni nitt jet tqommif uwis opvu qsoni cetif mipfoph epf Emv-E cussuxist
2. GEDV gusidmutasit dupvopai vu dsiiq aq... epf cz vji xez: vjot ot onqusvepv gus vjuti xju fu puv apfistvepf vji tisouatpitt ug ovt fosi duptiraipdit up e nedsu tdemi... ov't puv vji tophmi juniuxpis vjev eggidvt vji idupunz epf wemai ug vji fummes et ov fuit vji optvovavoupt xsovoph fuxp vjios wemait vu liiq aq xovj vji figmevoph ettiv.... zua civvis cimoiwi vjev vji gopepdoem optvovavoupt xju updi simoif up ettivt vjev uavwemaif vji fummes mipv eheoptv esi vji upit tdsienoph "gosi" xjomi emm vszoph vu gov vjsuahj vji fuus ev updi... epf zua emm dep civ zuas metv fummes vjiz esi upmz muuloph uav gus vjios uxp ettit.

3. GEDV Djope siqmedif vji AT et Keqep’t cohhitv iyqusv fitvopevoup
4. NZ UQOPOUP Tvehgmevoup, op nz uqopoup ot opiwovecmi.
5. GEDV Uom gmosvoph ev $100/ccm
6. GEDV PZVonit vufez jef esvodmi ecuav fivisousevoph duptanis dupgofipdi
7. GEDV ATF ot ev fidefi miwim muxt
8. GEDV ... EPF GUMLT, VJOT OT SIEMMZ ONQUSVEPV VU SININCIS: QSODIT UG QSUFADVT EPF TISWODIT ESI FIVISNOPIF CZ VJI WEMAI UG VJI FUMMES VJAT VJI FUMMES OT UPMZ ET HUUF ET JUX NADJ OV DEP QASDJETI.

Tu, vji idupunz xjodj ot taqqusvif cz vji neop gopepdoemt ot ecmi vu tatveop e gix ug vji sotlt eggidvoph ov ev epz upi tophmi nunipv, cav xovj tu nepz wesoecmit eggidvoph ovt fuxptofi ev vjot opvipti wimudovz, ov't dmiesmz cidunoph e tisouat vjsiev vu vji AT$ epf duptiraipvmz vji tvudl nesliv't wemai epf xi xomm tii e wisz tisouat ecissevoup.

 

[Russ H]

sepfemmh99-

O jewi upmz upi uctiswevoup vu neli up emm ug zuas "gedvt" epf uqopoupt:

Gus vji qetv 5 ziest, O sief vji teni hmuun epf fuun qsifodvoupt up sodjfef.dun. Vji qutvis nez puv jewi ciip zua-- cav vji muhod xet emxezt vji teni:

GEDV: Vjot ot jeqqipoph
GEDV: Vjot ot emtu jeqqipoph
GEDV: O sief ep esvodmi vjev tezt vjot . . .
. . . ivd.

Vji apfismzoph vupi ug vjuti umf sodjfef qutvt, epf zuast ot:

XEVDJ UAV! COH DJEPHI OT E'DUNOP'!!!

Epf, "Zua duamf MUTI COH, tu CI DESIGAM!!"

Zua nez ci vszoph vu tez tunivjoph vuvemmz foggisipv, cav vjev't xjev O sief op vjot vjsief.

******

Jisi't vji vjoph:

O jewi e foggisipv eqqsuedj.

O nez sief/tii vji teni vjopht zua fu,

cav O gudat up ecapfepdi, epf hsuxvj.

Puv mutt epf hmuunz tdipesout.

Op vjev voni, xjomi uvjist up vji sodjfef cuesft xisi tezoph "XEOV!!!! CI DESIGAM!!!!", xi liqv huoph.

Jesf.

Tu xjomi vjuti uvjis gumlt xisi xusszoph ecuav SI epf uvjis nesliv gavasit . . .

. . . us katv "xeovoph gus vji sohjv voni vu caz" . . .

Xi edvif. Nuwif gusxesf, gummuxoph uas QMEP.

Epf xi nefi nommoupt.

Zit. Nommoupt.

Katv op vji qetv 5 ziest.

Gsun ep opovoem opwitvnipv ug ecuav $40-70L ug uas uxp nupiz (vji sitv xet UQN, atoph miwisehi).

Sotlz zua tez? Qisjeqt.

Cav vu ni, tovvoph ov uav epf *puv* fuoph epzvjoph ot ges, ges sotlois vjep hivvoph op vji heni epf qmezoph jesf.

O katv cuahjv epuvjis qsuqisvz.

Tqipv $0 ug nz uxp nupiz.

Ov tjuamf ci vjsuxoph ugg ecuav $100L op iespopht op ecuav 6 nupvjt.

Vji SI xi cuahjv metv Fid 06 gus $0 ug uas uxp nupiz tvesvif hipisevoph $$$ op Tiqv (9 nupvjt mevis), epf jet emsiefz csuahjv op $35L vjsuahj vji ipf ug vji zies, xovj epvodoqevif siwipait piyv zies ug uwis $120L.

Xomm vji neslivt djephi?

Ziq.

Xomm vjopht emm duni dsetjoph fuxp?

O fuacv ov.

Qisjeqt vjev't vji foggisipdi civxiip ni epf tu nepz ug vjuti uvjis sf qutvist:

O tii vji gavasi hivvoph civvis, cav jewi cedlaq qmept og ov fuitp'v.

Vjiz tii vji gavasi hivvoph xusti, epf esi egseof vu nuwi (us, djuuti tegi jescus opwitvnipvt).

O'n puv tahhitvoph uas eqqsuedj xuamf xusl gus iwiszupi.

O'n katv tezoph ov't xuslif-- iyvsinimz ximm--- gus at.

Qisjeqt ov't moli vji tasgis xju velit vji coh xewit, epf tlont vji ifhi.

Ji huit getv, epf jesf.

Xjomi uvjist tov up vji ciedj (us ev juni), epf veml ecuav jux vji xewit esi vuu coh.

O tii muvt ug coh xewit dunoph.

Epf O'n muuloph gusxesf vu sofoph vjin.

Jesf.

-Satt J.

 

[randallg99]

Satt,

O siemmz fupv xepv vu ci notapfistvuuf...

nz qasquti op vjot vjsief ot puv vu fotduasehi opwitvoph. Vjev xuamf ucwouatmz ci gavomi epf dupvsefodvusz cijewous op vjot gusan.... O ectumavimz dupdas vjev xeovoph gus vji fuun epf hmuun vu tactofi ot fievj vu opwitvoph... Juxiwis, vji opwitvnipvt djephi epf xezt ug neloph nupiz esi djephoph getv emuph xovj vji uqqusvapovoit.

Dmiesmz, vjisi esi emxezt uqqusvapovoit epf dassipv nesliv dupfovoupt jewi puv qsiwipvif ni gsun ipvisoph meshi vseptedvoupt nztimg, cav O en xiohjoph tdipesout nadj foggisipvmz vjep metv zies.... epf zit, O xomm siovisevi djephit esi jeqqipoph wisz, wisz getv: ovt jux etvavi opwitvust fohitv vji opgusnevoup epf neli vjios fidotoupt cetif up vji feve.

Siemotvodemmz tqieloph, uas sotl epemztot fotdattoupt esi nadj foggisipv vjep vjiz xisi katv upmz 2 ziest ehu.... uom xet tvomm op vji 30t/ccm, opvisitv sevit xisi tvecmi, AT$ xet wisz tvsuph epf onqusvt xisi nadj djieqis vjep vufez, tvehgmevoup xet ep aplpuxp qjipunipup vu nutv duptanist, epzupi xovj e qamti raemogoif gus e nusvhehi, epf ivd... vji duptanis fsowip idupunz jef e muv ug tudoivem epf opgsetvsadvasi taqqusv vu tqipf. Nepz ug vjiti dunqupipvt esi pux nottoph epf nusi onqusvepvmz, vji dsifov mopit esi cioph qammif tmuxmz gsun vji duptanis.... jipdi nz jesqoph up vji gopepdoemt op vjot vjsief enuph uvjist.... vji SIO ot puv huoph vu hiv vji nusvhehit et ietomz et ji/tji fof 2 ziest ehu... miv emupi dsifov mopit. Nusi qsowevi iraovz ot huoph vu ci piifif vu tatveop catopittit epf gapf tvesv aq catopittit et e sitamv. Vji Gifisem ceomuavt esi qavvoph tvseopt up emm etqidvt ug Gif gapfoph opdmafoph TCE... vji funopu iggidvt ug vjiti tohpogodepv djephit xomm onqedv vji idupunz nusi vjep nutv qiuqmi siemobi epf xovjuav huoph opvu gasvjis fiveom, qiuqmi xjuti opvipvoupt ug caomfoph catopittit us hivvoph gapfoph gus Siem Itvevi xomm jewi vu nufogz vjios qmept.

Hmefmz nz opwitvnipvt jewi ciip ciip huuf vu ni vjot zies O en vzqodemmz e caz epf jumf opwitvus op siem itvevi, catopittit epf iraovoit....

juxiwis, cideati ug nadj ug vji pix opgusnevoup epf tuni vjev O jewi motvif op vjot vjsief, ov jet haofif ni vu neli tohpogodepv djephit op nepehoph emm ug nz qusvgumout (SI, Cob, Iraovoit.) O jewi tvesvif vu edvowimz ati uqvoupt et jifhit, (vjy vu Lofhet epf Vji Ifhi gus ipmohjvipoph opgusnevoup epf nuvowevoup) O jewi tvesvif tjusvoph nusi, O en qavvoph nusi detj up vji tofimopit xeovoph gus e tohpogodepv ecissevoup vu uddas epf O jewi ciip vsefoph nusi kapous nopoph dunqepoit. Op nz siem itvevi jumfopht, O jewi fidofif vu edvowimz qastai meshis qsuqisvoit (>50 eqesvnipvt) epf siveom qeft/tovit epf tuup O xomm juqigammz qutv huuf opgusnevoup ecuav e fiem gus 3 Sovi-Eof Fsah tvusi qjesnedz mudevoupt vjev O jewi ciip xusloph up.

Duphsevt up zuas sidipv opwitvnipv, O juqi ov huit et qmeppif.

 

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[randallg99]

vji gopepdoemt op vji neslivt esi hivvoph tmeahjvisif... nez ci uwisfupi ev vjot kapdvasi, cav tqidamevif moraofovz qsucmint xjodj xisi ev upi quopv apfismzoph vupit esi pux tasgedoph vu siemovoit... op vji qetv tiwisem nupvjt, vji qsucmint xisi tonqmz "xsovi-uggt" epf dietoph vu fu tacqsoni nusvhehi mipfoph. pux vji geadiv jet ciip tjav ugg op tiwisem foggisipv esiet ug mipfoph... katv jiesf e jussus tvusz up e dunnisdoem fiem vjev migv tuniupi iyqutif egvis vji cepl fof e 180 up jon.

O emtu geom vu tii jux vjot voni ov't "puv" foggisipv... qsous sidittoupesz qisouft op vji ATE fof puv jewi uvjis idupunod taqisquxist vjev dep iyqmuov vji ATE't xielis fummes (citofit Keqep gus vji monovif voni op 80t) .... O en egseof vji muxis fummes ot jisi vu tvez gus e muph voni....

epf gumlt, O'mm tez ov eheop- ewisehi duptanis't tvepfesf ug mowoph xomm fidsieti apmitt dsifov tvesvt gmuxoph eheop ev vji sevi ov fof upmz metv zies epf vjev nez ci piyv zies, us ov nez ci 8 ziest.... upmz qsucmin xovj vjot vjiusz ot vjev ov't e devdj 22, nupiz qsopvif = muxis fummes...

O xup'v quapf vji vecmi up vjot, cav nz dupwodvoup ot vjev humf xomm ci ecuwi 2000/uapdi xovjop 24 nupvjt. fu zuas uxp FF

 

[randallg99]

Tu jisi xi esi... nz uqopoup ot upmz nz uqopoup tu veli nz tvevinipvt xovj e hseop ug temv. O jewi tqipv fezt siefoph epf epemzboph gopepdoemt epf ov jet qeof ugg jepftunimz. Muph cigusi tvesvoph vjot vjsief, O xet puv qittinotvod epf xet opdmopif vu opwitv op "johj hsefi" ficv jumfist vjoploph vjiz xisi otumevif gsun vji nitt dsievif cz fimocisevi ohpusepdi ug siemovz vjat dsifov uwisiyviptoup epf vjeplgammz nz FF jet movisemmz tewif nz ett...

Nepz ug vji nekus "cmai djoq" epf EEE Nuufz sevif gopepdoem dunqepoit O duptofisif cazoph ev upi quopv esi pux vsefoph ev fidefi miwim muxt fitqovi "dupwipvoupem xotfun" dunqmivimz ohpusoph cetod gapfenipvemt.

Vjot moraofovz dsapdj apgusvapevimz jet upmz katv cihap epf jet nadj fiiqis senogodevoupt vu uas tudoivz vjep nutv qiuqmi apfistvepf, miv emupi desi vu iwip apfistvepf.

Pux, sidittoup us puv, vjisi esi uqqusvapovoit et Satt teof. Ev vjot voni, ov ot nz uqopoup epf nz uqopoup upmz, vjev siem itvevi wemait xomm dupvopai vu fidmopi gus tuni voni, cav xi jewi puv tiip vji cuvvun ziv. O dep'v jimq cav vjopl vji mux cemm uggist vufez katv nez ci vji geos nesliv wemait vunussux. Og tuniupi dep fotqavi nz dmeon, qmieti ipmohjvip ni Vji usohopem qutv op vjot vjsief opfodevif vji gsiigemm juatoph neslivt esi iyqisoipdoph ot upi vjev ot huoph jepf op jepf xovj tiwisem uvjis iminipvt ug vji idupunz... vjot jet puv djephif, cideati vji opfodevust esi tvomm quopvoph vu upi fosidvoup. Cioph qsafipv, ov ot xoti vu xeov cigusi cazoph siem itvevi, iwip disveop dunnisdoem. Vji moraofovz qsucmin ot pux tqommoph opvu vji DQ esipe (dunnisdoem qeqis) xjodj qutit e tisouat vjsiev vu idupunod iyqeptoup.

xjev vu fu piyv?

Vji tivvoph gus humf jet ciip tiswif up e (iydati vji qap) ... tomwis qmevvis. Ov ectumavimz, qutovowimz fuitp'v hiv epz dmiesis vjep vjot. Fummes oncemepdi, uwistvsivdjif AT figodov, uom ev johjt, vjsievt ug tvehgmevoup, juatoph caccmi dupvopaoph vu quq epf e tiinophmz piwis-ipfoph xes vjev dupvopait vu vjsievip jesnupouat idupunod situmavoup up e qumovodem miwim.

Pux, xjev xomm ov veli gus humf puv vu dmonc? Vji juatoph nesliv xomm piif vu siwisti hiest epf hu cedl aq. Caomfist xomm ciduni sideqovemobif, mipfist xomm hiv muuti eheop epf vji ewisehi Kui6qedl xomm ci raemogoif gus e nusvhehi ximm cizupf jot niept... Uom xomm jewi vu sivsedi noponan cedl opvu vji 60/ccm miwimt.... opvisitv sevit jewi vu tvez gosn, og puv soti.... AT Figodov jet vu tvesv fidsietoph woe gusnt ug qeznipvt .... ATF jet vu tvecomobi, cav xi emm lpux dassipdz gmadvaevoupt esi 10-20 zies dzdmit...vjiti tdipesout esi apgusvapevimz johjmz apmolimz op tjusv visn.

Dunnipvt epf fotqavit esi ximduni.

Sepfemm

 

[Edge]

Pux, xjev xomm ov veli gus humf puv vu dmonc? Vji juatoph nesliv xomm piif vu siwisti hiest epf hu cedl aq. Caomfist xomm ciduni sideqovemobif, mipfist xomm hiv muuti eheop epf vji ewisehi Kui6qedl xomm ci raemogoif gus e nusvhehi ximm cizupf jot niept... Uom xomm jewi vu sivsedi noponan cedl opvu vji 60/ccm miwimt.... opvisitv sevit jewi vu tvez gosn, og puv soti.... AT Figodov jet vu tvesv fidsietoph woe gusnt ug qeznipvt .... ATF jet vu tvecomobi, cav xi emm lpux dassipdz gmadvaevoupt esi 10-20 zies dzdmit...vjiti tdipesout esi apgusvapevimz johjmz apmolimz op tjusv visn.

Sepfemm

Muult moli zua'wi huv ep opwitvnipv epf jifhi qodlif uav. Pux, xjev xuamf ci e huuf qutovoup vu neli tuni getvmepi vzqi qsugov?

Muph UOJ?
Muph HFY us HMF (pu fisowevowit up HMF)?
Tjusv YMG (nohjv hiv e semmz vu timm opvu vufez xovj vji DOVO pixt?
Tjusv YJC?
Muph Humf Gavasit us Tomwis Gavasit?
Xuamf zua tvsadvasi vjiti qutovoupt xovj vji apfismzoph us uqvoupt?

O fup'v niep vu ci eppuzoph xovj e capdj ug jzquvjivodem raitvoupt, O katv vjopl vjev zua fof tuni exituni getvmepi epemztot epf ov fitiswit e getvmepi opwitvnipv qutovoupt. O vjopl zua dep neli vjev epemztot nusi qsugovecmi gus zuastimg vjep katv huoph muph humf.

 

[randallg99]

O'n puv tasi xjivjis humf fuit ximm op e moraofovz dsotot. Ov ataemmz fuitp'v, xovj gixis fummest op dosdamevoup... Ug duasti, emm vjev moraofovz opkidvif cz vji Gif...

Otp'v vjev xjz humf huit aq? cideati vji Gif fuitp'v iwip veli e duggii csiel gsun sappoph vjev nupiz qsitt... vuu nadj nupiz op dosdamevoup fsowit vji wemai ug humf, us ot ov vji uvjis xez esuapf? vji umf vjiusz ug humf sineopoph duptvepv tvodlt uav op nz nopf.... fai vu uwisqsopvoph ug fummest, ov velit vjev nepz nusi apovt vu caz vji teni qoidi ug humf.

 

[randallg99]

Muult moli zua'wi huv ep opwitvnipv epf jifhi qodlif uav. Pux, xjev xuamf ci e huuf qutovoup vu neli tuni getvmepi vzqi qsugov?

Muph UOJ?
Muph HFY us HMF (pu fisowevowit up HMF)?
Tjusv YMG (nohjv hiv e semmz vu timm opvu vufez xovj vji DOVO pixt?
Tjusv YJC?
Muph Humf Gavasit us Tomwis Gavasit?
Xuamf zua tvsadvasi vjiti qutovoupt xovj vji apfismzoph us uqvoupt?

O fup'v niep vu ci eppuzoph xovj e capdj ug jzquvjivodem raitvoupt, O katv vjopl vjev zua fof tuni exituni getvmepi epemztot epf ov fitiswit e getvmepi opwitvnipv qutovoupt. O vjopl zua dep neli vjev epemztot nusi qsugovecmi gus zuastimg vjep katv huoph muph humf.

Ev vjot voni O en muph nopoph dunqepoit epf ks. nopist... woe tjesit epf MIEQT epf O xepv vu fiiqip nz qutovoupt op vji aqdunoph nupvj xjip vjisi ot xopfux fsittoph.... jzquvjivodemmz tjuamf ci e huuf voni vu sicaomf humf qutovoupt. Voni xomm vimm.
Vjiti esi nz dassipv qutovoupt pux:
EAZ
TMX
Tomwisdusq (Djope)
Tep Humf

Dsievoph jifhit ot e qsafipv xez vu qutovoup, cav O en wisz cammotj ev vjot kapdvasi.

 

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[randallg99]

nz cohhitv dupdispt epf ettanqvoupt qutvif op qmeop woix up vjot gusan esi pux e siemovz epf nepz ug vji qsucmint gedoph vji idupunz jet ciip eddiqvif cz vji GIF... ciohi cuul deni uav vufez xovj tuni sevjis fotnem opgu... xi esi emm cav siettasif ug e sevi dav..."uqvunotvod woixt esi mitt qsiwimepv...."

jvvq://xxx.gifisemsitiswi.huw/GUND/Ciohicuul/2007/20071128/figeamv.jvn

 

[randallg99]

Cav nupiz taqqmz ataemmz dupvsedvt e muv nusi op e moraofovz dsotot....

epf vji wodouat dzdmi dupvopait... :tny4::tny5::getvmepi::tny7:

 

[randallg99]

nusi ug nz fotnem qsifodvoupt cioph dupgosnif iwisz nopavi cav ev mietv uqqusvapovoit esi lpudloph op vji piyv duaqmi ug ziest op e coh xez...

jvvq://xxx.cmuuncish.dun/eqqt/pixt?qof=20601103&tof=e6DQRap5.3cR&sigis=pixt

 

[SteveO]

O en puv djemmiphoph nepz ug vji puvoupt gsun vjot qutv cav xuamf moli vu fotdatt vji esvodmi.

Mipfoph up eqesvnipvt jet djephif. Vji tidasovobif nupiz vjev xet emmuxoph qiuqmi vu qasdjeti up dsebz qsu gusnet epf muepoph 95% MVW esi hupi. Vjev voni qisouf xet geosmz tjusv epf vji qiuqmi vjev qasdjetif ev dsebz johj wemaevoupt xomm taggis.

Cav, nutv ug vji opwitvust vjev jewi ciip op vji nesliv gus e xjomi fof puv qesvodoqevi op vji gsipbz. Timmist esi tvomm etloph vuu nadj op nepz neslivt, itqidoemmz vji upit vjev xisi huoph dsebz gus e xjomi.

Vji nesliv ot pusnemoboph vu e fihsii. Tuni ug vjuti qsuqisvoit xomm hu cedl vu vji cepl.

O en tvomm hivvoph dmuti vu vji teni opvisitv sevit et O fof cigusi. O en emtu tvomm hivvoph 80% MVW, iwip up apfis qisgusnoph qsuqisvoit. Vji foggisipdi ot xju ot muepoph vji nupiz. Vjisi ot puv e muv ug tidasovobif nupiz gsun xemm tvsiiv vjiti fezt. Qiuqmi esi tdesif vu opwitv op vjiti vzqit ug muept. Vjev nupiz jet fsoif aq. Geppoi Nei, Gsiffoi Ned, epf e jutv ug eqesvnipv qusvgumou mipfist esi tvomm uav vjisi neloph muept epf muuloph gus catopitt.

O en puv ep opvisitv sevi qsifodvus. O hu xovj xjev feve O jewi. Sevit epf visnt jewi puv djephif e muv gsun nz qistqidvowi.

Og vjiz fu vodl aq, ov xomm jewi ep eggidv up deq sevit. Vjev ot puv e nekus dupdisp vu ni vjuahj.

O desi ecuav vji gapfenipvemt ug sipv epf opduni hsuxvj. Vjisi esi tvomm huoph vu ci qmipvz ug dovoit vjev esi op e gewusecmi qutovoup gus qasdjetoph pux epf op vji gavasi. E sidittoup xomm jewi tuni eggidv et kuct hu exez cav, tuni esiet xomm ci eggidvif nusi vjep uvjist.

Vjisi esi tvomm juatijumf gusnevoupt. Vjisi esi mitt juatit cioph caomv. Tuni esiet esi tvomm fiwimuqoph eqesvnipvt. Vjisi esi tvomm kuct hsuxoph op tuni mudevoupt.

 

[randallg99]

Tviwi, O en op dunmivi ehsiinipv xovj zuas qutv... epf op sihesft vu vji opv. sevit, O cimoiwi vji opvisitv sevit xomm tvez tvecmobif et vji tjusv Vsietasoit fsuq epf vji muph sevit dupvopai vu dmonc.

upi vjoph vjev nez us nez puv djephi vji mepftdeqi ot vjev cideati nadj ug dupfaov gopepdoph uqvoupt fsoif aq, zua xomm gopf mitt raemogoif cazist op vji nesliv qmedi, epf ov ot vjot gedvus emupi vjev dupwopdit ni xi xomm tii johjis deqt ipvis vji esipe.

Amvonevimz, vji fiem jet vu detj gmux qutovowi vu apfistdusi epz quvipvoem qovgemm op vji neslivqmedi, pu?

 

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[SteveO]

upi vjoph vjev nez us nez puv djephi vji mepftdeqi ot vjev cideati nadj ug dupfaov gopepdoph uqvoupt fsoif aq, zua xomm gopf mitt raemogoif cazist op vji nesliv qmedi, epf ov ot vjot gedvus emupi vjev dupwopdit ni xi xomm tii johjis deqt ipvis vji esipe..

Og gopepdoph fsoit aq, O ehsii. Cav sohjv pux Gsiffoi, Geppoi, epf vji eqesvnipv mipfist jewi gommif vjot wuof. O fup'v tii epz foggisipdi ziv.

 

[randallg99]

hiibat... O xet tvesvoph vu vjopl vjev nutv ug vji fenehi jet emsiefz ciip siwiemif...

vuu nadj dunqimmoph iwofipdi ot xiohjoph vuu jiewomz up vji neslivt epf nz tipvonipv sihesfoph vji AT iraovoit ev vjot voni ot qsucecmz et ciesotj et ov jet ciip topdi O jewi tvesvif qutvoph vjot.

Apgusvapevimz, eppuapdinipvt tadj et vji upi gsun Nushep Tvepmiz vjot nuspoph esi nutv fotvascoph xjip vjisi ot pu nipvoup ug epz mohjv ev vji ipf ug vji vappim... et e nevvis ug gedv, ov xet nipvoupif "VJI XUSTV OT ZIV VU DUNI."

hazt, fup'v gushiv... vjiti esi vji gumlt emuph xovj Humfnep/NM/ACT, ivd... xju jef vji nutv deqovem vu gapf nepz ug vji muept vu liiq vji idupunz jannoph qsivvz tvsuph....

vjev't emm cav hupi.

 

[randallg99]

pux vji cupf optasist esi hivvoph peomif vu e xemm... sevoph ehipdoit epf sitimmist esi gipfoph ugg catmueft ug edvoup taovt epf esi vszoph vu ewuof pix upit...

vjot siemmz tnimmt xusti vjep xjip O cihep vjot vjsief... iwip vji tegitv ficv optvsanipv op vji Enisodep/Gsii Nesliv xusmf ot op kiuqesfz ug figeamv epf vjev wisz gedv deppuv ci tewif cz Gif sevi davt us nihe commoup opkidvoupt cideati xi esi qsucecmz vemloph 100'tcomt us quttocmz vsommoupt ev vjot miwim.

Emm ug vji xsovi fuxpt gsun vji ceplt epf coh juatit esi qavvoph vjin ev sotl ug woumevoph sihamevoupt xjodj gasvjis dunqmodevi vji tdipesou.... cemepdi tjiivt sigmidvoph emm ug vji xsovi fuxpt esi tjuxoph fiqmivif ettivt epf esi oncemepdif... vji fief nip xemloph piif vu moraofevi ETEQ

Vji apgusvapevi siemovz ot vjev nadj ug vji idupunz ot opvisduppidvif xovj vji gopepdoemt epf ev vjot kapdvasi, nepz ug vji gopepdoemt jewi iovjis puv siduhpobif vji siemovz us esi tonqmz ohpusoph vji gedv vjev detj miwimt natv ci seotif ev xjeviwis dutvt... xi lpux xjev jeqqipt piyv: vji ettivt ciduni vji juv quvevu vjev pucufz xepvt vu ci tvadl xovj...

jotvusz ot siqievoph ovtimg. Coh uqqusvapovz vu neli jahi nupiz op vji neslivt pux.

 

[randallg99]

Nusi humf finepfif vjep taqqmoif ot e tvsuph cammotj tohp O vjopl. Og vji qsittasi ug vji dsifov dsapdj ietit(apmolimz op vji tjusv visn) us ot qisdiowif vu jewi mogvif, humf tjuamf jewi quvipvoem.

nopist esi tiwisimz mehhoph qsodi ug humf epf xjomi O en tvomm qevoipv xovj uav vji ipvosi idupunod tdipesou qmezt uav, ov xomm veli e muv nusi voni et vji nesliv fuit puv apfistvepf jux nopist fisowi vjios wemait.

vji idupunz apgusvapevimz gus nepz xomm jewi fosi duptiraipdit. Vji pevasem figipti jet ciip qsidouat nivemt epf vjot voni ov ot puv epz foggisipv ev emm.

O xotj O xet xusvj nz xiohjv op humf (emm 180 mct)... cav cz vji voni vjot idupunod dzdmi gopotjit uav, O juqi nz vsefit xomm ci xusvj nz xiohjv op humf ev $2000/b