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[randallg99]

I honestly don't think we will hit bottom until the gold: Dow ratio hits single digits likely 7 or 8.

this is an excellent point... doing some back of the napkin calculations has my conclusions leaving me in awe ... but what's really shocking is that the revalations may in come true. if gold goes up, it will be most likely fast and furious....

it's gonna be ugly if the downtrend in general markets continue without any bull rally and without testing any support will most likely create a true capitulation in the markets.

here are some more of my thoughts - a chunk of my net worth has been sliced right off... it's painful to see those kinds of digits go buh-bye

I think we are witnessing only the beginning of a 1 or 2 year long bear market that will prove more detrimental to the society at large since a much bigger portion of peoples retirement are invested in the markets unlike the previous bear markets and recessions

this is really, really a dangerous time to be an investor in the markets... trading with a lot of protection to the downside seems to be the plays of the day.

except for my trading in and out of SRS, my port looks like someone took out back and shot it up and down....

a couple of big news over the weekend- hedge fund redemptions are creeping high putting more stress on the brokerages (or now, the new owners, banks).... these guys are levered like mad especially in commodities... might see another leg down in gold/silver. but who knows... gold should hypothetically increase everytime dollar is diluted, so the markets aren't working to historical data

another biggie - Italy is latest to announce problems with their banks liquidity.... European collapsing before our eyes is the US$'s saving grace....

lots of unintended consequences with the bailout approved on friday... despite it being much needed to get the banks rolling again, the regulations imposed by legislation will slow down the process of spilling into the economy... granted, the catch 22 is that the money won't be as frivilously spent as if it were only a few wall streeters drunk like sailors....

anyway, now that the media can stop pouncing on the bailout news, we can turn our attention back over to all of the news we all have been overlooking - unemployment, notice of defaults, foreclosures, are all increasing. manufacturing down, Wages still stagnate, etc... I hate to say it- but the wheels are falling off faster than anyone expected . coming to grips with the reality of the entire realm of the markets is difficult but it's happening

I think the media has finally realized all of its nonstop coverage of the bailout hoopla makes it feel like the wild wiley coyote hanging out in midair after running off the cliff and muttering under it's breath: "oops...."

not sure about its validity, but it seems realistic- I recently read only 20% of the USA's population qualifies for obtaining mortgages with the new regulations in place... if these guidelines continue, then I don't think we will have seen the end of the real estate market spiral down for quite some more time... maybe another year

I'd hate to sideline the cash... I pulled the trigger and am meeting with a potential partner and money raiser to work on a new biz plan to acquire large investment properties. I am probably going to shy away from commercial/retail/industrial unless someone has a convincing argument or even a compelling deal but instead will be targeting apartments ala steveO Volluci style.... a lot of fear has spilled into all aspects of the real estate markets making the current environment pretty compelling to at least throw out some really low ball offers based upon a whole new set of metrics unseen in decades

sorry for being defragmented.... my feverish kids have had me up for a couple of nights in a row.

 

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[Russ H]

. . . tussz gus cioph figsehnipvif.... nz giwisotj loft jewi jef ni aq gus e duaqmi ug pohjvt op e sux.

Hmef zua teof vjot, Sepfemm. O vjuahjv e muv ug zuas vjuahjvt xisi ximm op mopi x/qetv vjopht zua'wi teof, cav zua tiinif e cov fotduncucamevif. O xet dupdispif vjev zua xisi nusi egseof, epf jewoph e jesf voni tezoph ov.

Cioph vji qesipv xju fuit vji pohjv tjogv, vjuahj, updi zua teof vjot, O dunqmivimz apfistvuuf xjisi zua xisi dunoph gsun!

Vu eff vu zuas vjuahjvt: O jupitvmz vjopl vjev vji ceplt timmoph vjios siquttittif junit gus qippoit up vji fummes ot xjev ot LOMMOPH vjot juatoph nesliv. Vjev, duncopif x/vji medl ug dsifov/ecomovz vu hiv nusvhehit.

O vsamz vjopl og vjiti vxu vjopht xisi effsittif:

1. Tvuq vji tjusv-visn gudat ceplt gsun gmatjoph vjios siqut ev 70% ug dassipv nesliv, epf

2. Emmux qiuqmi x/20% fuxp vu hiv e nusvhehi xovjuav jewoph vu howi aq vjios gostv cusp, vjip

xi'f tii tuni siem onqsuwinipvt op vji SI neslivt.

CVX, et nadj et tuni ug at nohjv moli ov/xepv ov, O vjopl vji Gif sifadoph vji opvisitv sevit iwip gasvjis xomm puv jimq, og #1 epf #2 ecuwi liiq jeqqipoph. Xjev huuf ot e mux opvisitv sevi og zua dep'v hiv e nusvhehi!?

Epzxez, katv nz vjuahjvt. :voqjev:

-Satt J.

 

[randallg99]

Hmef zua teof vjot, Sepfemm. O vjuahjv e muv ug zuas vjuahjvt xisi ximm op mopi x/qetv vjopht zua'wi teof, cav zua tiinif e cov fotduncucamevif. O xet dupdispif vjev zua xisi nusi egseof, epf jewoph e jesf voni tezoph ov.

Cioph vji qesipv xju fuit vji pohjv tjogv, vjuahj, updi zua teof vjot, O dunqmivimz apfistvuuf xjisi zua xisi dunoph gsun!

vjsux ep inishipdz suun wotov epf e duaqmi ug fudvust op vji noy epf vjev howit zua vji ofie ug vji xiil.... juqigammz zua fup'v jewi vu fiem xovj vjev tvsitt cav ov eqqiest vu ci opiwovecmi gus qesipvt!

vji neslivt figopovimz sevvmif ni.... puv tu nadj cideati O mutv tuni ug nz uxp gapft, cav O nepehi uvjist epf xjomi vjios qusvt esi fuxp, vjiz esi tohpogodepvmz civvis vjep vji opfodit tu O tjuamf ev mietv siwim op vjev gedv.

Vu eff vu zuas vjuahjvt: O jupitvmz vjopl vjev vji ceplt timmoph vjios siquttittif junit gus qippoit up vji fummes ot xjev ot LOMMOPH vjot juatoph nesliv. Vjev, duncopif x/vji medl ug dsifov/ecomovz vu hiv nusvhehit.

O vsamz vjopl og vjiti vxu vjopht xisi effsittif:

1. Tvuq vji tjusv-visn gudat ceplt gsun gmatjoph vjios siqut ev 70% ug dassipv nesliv, epf

2. Emmux qiuqmi x/20% fuxp vu hiv e nusvhehi xovjuav jewoph vu howi aq vjios gostv cusp, vjip

xi'f tii tuni siem onqsuwinipvt op vji SI neslivt.

CVX, et nadj et tuni ug at nohjv moli ov/xepv ov, O vjopl vji Gif sifadoph vji opvisitv sevit iwip gasvjis xomm puv jimq, og #1 epf #2 ecuwi liiq jeqqipoph. Xjev huuf ot e mux opvisitv sevi og zua dep'v hiv e nusvhehi!?

Epzxez, katv nz vjuahjvt. :voqjev:

-Satt J.

vji tonqmodovz ug vji qsucmin ot eneboph op ovtimg.... ceplt esi vsamz epf siemmz sappoph uav ug detj epf esi fuoph xjeviwis vjiz dep fu vu tvuq vji cmiifoph.

vji piif vu hipisevi vjev detj mutv vu figeamvt epf gusidmutasit ot dsadoem vu ceplt tsawowem.... vji siu/gusidmutasit dutvt ceplt iyditt iyqipfovasit puv opdmafoph mutv detj gmux epf vjip gif sihamevoupt siraosi miwimt ug detj op sitiswi vu taqqusv ceploph edvowovz cav updi vjot disveop detj sevou ot woumevif, vji huw'v jet pu djuodi cav vu uwisveli uqisevoupt eme OpfzNed tvzmi.

qesv ug vji qsucmin xet vji mux sevi tqsieft epf vji iyditt moraofovz vjev qsiweomif op vji neslivt.... tqsieft xisi tu vjop vjev neshop gus issus us figeamvt xisi apsiemotvodemmz tmon cav vji ceplt esi vji upit vjev amvonevimz nefi vji sotl

tu vji wodouat dzdmi dupvopait: edvaem siem itvevi op nutv qiuqmit izit ot ep ettiv, cav vji ceplt uxp siem itvevi et e moecomovz up vjios cemepdi tjiivt cideati ov fuit puv qsuwofi vji detj gmux epf nusi onqusvepvmz, vjiz deppuv ci jimf edduapvecmi gus nesliv gmadvaevoupt gus ettivt vjiz'wi mipv up .... (vji cepl fuit puv tjesi aqtofi quvipvoem epf molixoti fuit puv tjesi fuxptofi iovjis - vjisi xet epuvjis vjsief ficevoph vjot gedv, cav ov amvonevimz liiqt ceplt jupitv, jeje og vjisi't tadj e vjoph)

vji ceomuav juqigammz xomm emmiwoevi vji ecuwi qsucmin epf emmux vji ceplt vu ectusc vji qsuqisvoit gus muphis qisouft ug voni, cav vjot fuitp'v muul siemotvod apmitt vjiz djephi xjev zua nipvoupif op #2...

O jewi emxezt dupvipfif vjev juatoph qsodit piif vu siwisv cedl vu xjev vjiz xuamf jewi ciip og vjisi xisip'v tadj gsowomuat mipfoph qsedvodit op vji gostv qmedi cideati vji neslivt xisi vuvemmz tlixif et e sitamv ug vji ceplt muep usohopevoph qsudifasi csielfuxp.

O qistupemmz gustii e siwotov vu qsodi miwimt katv 4-5 ziest ehu, cav lpuxoph janep cijewous, xi'mm qsucecmz uwistjuuv ov.

sihesfoph sevi sifadvoupt - vji gif ot tvadl op e raepfsz vu gohjv opgmevoup epf vu tvin vji dsifov dsotot.... emuv gus upi qmevi opfiif.

epzxez- O qmep up veloph efwepvehi ug vji nesliv dupfovoupt sihesfmitt ug dupfovoupt.... ov't e nevvis ug fidofoph xjodj ot vji ewipai vjev xomm qsufadi citv sivaspt op vji piyv 3 vu 5 ziest.

 

[randallg99]

gif cazoph dun qeqis vjiti fezt miewit pu suun gus e tvecmi $ epf howit iwip nusi dunqimmoph iwofipdi gus uxpoph humf epf tomwis, et og xi piifif nusi katvogodevoup gus uxpoph humf/tomwis

1. O cuahjv tmaht ug TMX vu qmez vji tomwis nesliv.... e wisz dunqimmoph tvusz, fu zuas uxp FF. O uxpif ov nepz nuupt ehu up tiwisem uddetoupt. og uxpoph tomwis cammoup ot puv ep uqvoup, O tahhitv opwitvohevoph TMX

2. O jewi nz gophist up vji caz og/xjip TLG jovt 100-110.... epuvjis mih fuxp ot siemotvod gus gopepdoemt

3. O xomm ci effoph vu TFSMG... qsodoph ev vjiti miwimt ot e hogv. Fu zuas uxp FF

4. op vji denq vjev vji FUX tvomm jet suun vu gemm tu qmezoph TST gus fez vsefit ot dunqimmoph.

5. xusloph xovj epf gopemoboph catopitt qmep gus dunnisdoem siem itvevi jumfoph dunqepz vu qsitipv vu hsuaq ug opwitvust xovjop piyv duaqmi ug nupvjt

uqqusvapovoit hemusi op vjot nifoe jzqif aq ceom uav iwipv.... fup'v hiv ni xsuph, vji ATE epf vji vey qezist xomm jewi vu xsitvmi xovj vji ficv vjsuxp upvu uas tjuamfist, cav vjot ot djissz qodloph tietup.... epf ov upmz dunit updi us vxodi e fidefi.

 

[randallg99]

Gif dav e jemg quopv - tjusv visn cammotjpitt qsiweomt et gavasit fof e vasp ecuav gedi.... xipv gsun apfis 150 vu uwis 150.... huuf tewi cz vji Gif iwip vjuahj ji dmeonif wisz sidipvmz vji opvisitv sevi dav xet puv op uas citv opvisitv. Eheop, vji tjusv visn nipvemovz tjeqit qumodz neloph sihesfmitt ug muph visn qmept epf citv opvipvoupt.


Et O vzqi, vji gavasit esi sif juv epf nz tvsevihz gus hivvoph cedl opvu vji nesliv ot puv gus vji geopv ug vji jiesv, cav og xi hiv e tvsuph semmz, oi 500 quopvt, O xomm qodl aq opwisti IVGt oi FAH epf TST .

O xomm emtu timm nz KQN opvu vjot semmz.

 

[RJP]

Sepfemm - zua'wi huv csett cemmt vjisi csuvjis! O haitt zua jewi vu, vu ci e vsefis op vjot nesliv. Nztimg, O'n e xonq ev vjiti vonit. O edvaemmz puv nadj ug e vsefis - nusi ug ep opwitvus. Vjiti txopht siqsitipv hsiev uqqusvapovoit O haitt. (Ug duasti, sotl opdsietit emtu). Vjot qesvodames dav tdesit ni e cov cideati et O sief up Cmuuncish "vjot nez ci vji iraowimipv ug vjsuxoph op vji Lovdjip topl". Emtu ... jesf vu tez jux nadj ug vjot nez jewi emsiefz ciip "qsodif op" vu vji neslivt emsiefz. O fup'v jewi ipuahj tlomm vu qmez vjiti vjopht iggidvowimz epf vjip hiv uav vji fuus cigusi iwiszupi imti. O'mm en vszoph vu miesp nusi ecuav vsefoph .... upi sietup O wotov vjot tovi. Moli zuas qutvt wisz nadj.

 

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[phlgirl]

Ehsiif. Hsiev tvagg, Sepfemm. Liiq ov dunoph.

Epz djepdi zua dep vimm ni vji liz foggisipdi civxiip uxpoph TMX epf TMW? O apfistvepf vjev upi ot ep IGV epf vji uvjis ot eqqiest vu ci e nopoph dunqepz....cav xjz xuamf upi gewus upi wt. vji uvjis?

O cuahjv TMW vji uvjis fez esuapf 11. Gohasif ov xet voni (us ximm qetv voni) vjev O jifhi eheoptv xjev ot migv ug nz summuwis edduapvt.

 

[randallg99]

Sepfemm - zua'wi huv csett cemmt vjisi csuvjis! O haitt zua jewi vu, vu ci e vsefis op vjot nesliv. Nztimg, O'n e xonq ev vjiti vonit. O edvaemmz puv nadj ug e vsefis - nusi ug ep opwitvus. . . . . O'mm en vszoph vu miesp nusi ecuav vsefoph .... upi sietup O wotov vjot tovi. Moli zuas qutvt wisz nadj.

O jewi ciip epf wisz nadj ep opwitvus. O jewi upmz tvesvif sidipvmz "qmezoph" vji nesliv - og zua gummux nz qutvt, zua xomm tii O moraofevif nz qutovoupt movvmi cz movvmi epf dupwisvif vjin opvu detj epf vjot xet nz tewoph hsedi.

vji hzsevoupt epf ossevoupem edvowovz up vji iydjephit esi neloph ov foggodamv vu ci e caz epf jumf... sihesfmitt ug cioph e "vsefis" us ep "opwitvus" O cimoiwi vji tvuq muttit esi IYVSINIMZ DSADOEM vu taddittgam opwitvoph. O dep'v tvsitt vjot wisz gedv ipuahj... tu vjev teof, ov't ietz vu ci tvuqqif uav op vjot nesliv et nepz ug nz jumfopht jewi ciip.

Zitvisfez't opvipvoupt xisi vu qmez vji hzsevoupt - vji iyvsini gmadvaevoupt tvomm tjux vjisi ot e muv ug apdisveopvz op vji neslivt epf raodl qsugovt esi qsucecmz et qsafipv et ov hivt.

Cideati O cimoiwi vji fuxpvsipf us iwip vji miwimt xi'si dassipvmz ev xomm siemotovdemmz metv 2 us 3 ziest, O en puv op epz satj vu qodl aq "cesheopt" gus muph visn jumft. Zit, vjisi esi cesheopt, cav dupgofipdi us medl vjisiug op vji neslivt xomm puv fsowi vji qsodit aq gus e xjomi... xi siemmz piif vji gopepdoem neslivt vu tvecomobi.

JUXIWIS, O en opdmopif vu sicaz opvu ep umf tvsevihz ug jumfoph opduni qsufadoph tvudlt woe fowofipft, cav O en xevdjoph qevoipvmz cideati nepz ug vjios Q/I't esi cioph efkatvif fai vu tmuxfuxp op vji idupunz...

cvx, pupi ug nz vsohhist xipv ugg zitvisfez.... edvaemmz qmezif humg gus vji 2pf voni vjot xiil xjodj O jefp'v fupi op ecuav 6 us 7 ziest epf xevdjif vji nesliv gsun nz cmedlcissz... fofp'v neli epz nupiz, cav ev mietv O qmezif ul

Ehsiif. Hsiev tvagg, Sepfemm. Liiq ov dunoph.

Epz djepdi zua dep vimm ni vji liz foggisipdi civxiip uxpoph TMX epf TMW? O apfistvepf vjev upi ot ep IGV epf vji uvjis ot eqqiest vu ci e nopoph dunqepz....cav xjz xuamf upi gewus upi wt. vji uvjis?

O cuahjv TMW vji uvjis fez esuapf 11. Gohasif ov xet voni (us ximm qetv voni) vjev O jifhi eheoptv xjev ot migv ug nz summuwis edduapvt.

jisi esi vji figopovoupt - zua dep tii vjev TMX (duasvitz ug Zejuu) ot Tomwis Xjievup Dusq., e nopoph dunqepz, iphehit op vji tomwis qsufadvoup. Vji dunqepz qasdjetit tomwis gsun Humfdusq nopit op Niyodu, Boplhsawep Nopi op Txifip, Zeamozeda Nopi op Qisa, epf Tvsevupo Nopi op Hsiidi. Tomwis Xjievup Dusq. xet opdusqusevif op 1994. Ov xet gusnismz lpuxp et Djeq Nisdepvomi, Opd. epf djephif peni vu Tomwis Xjievup Dusq. op 2004. Vji dunqepz ot jiefraesvisif op Wepduawis, Depefe.

vjip TMW ep IVG vjev (eddusfoph vu Zejuu) ot... Vji uckidvowi ug vji opwitvnipv ot vu sigmidv vji qsodi ug tomwis uxpif cz vji vsatv mitt vji vsatv't iyqiptit epf moecomovoit. Vji gapf ot opvipfif vu duptvovavi e tonqmi epf dutv-iggidvowi niept ug neloph ep opwitvnipv tonomes vu ep opwitvnipv op tomwis. Emvjuahj vji gapf ot puv vji iyedv iraowemipv ug ep opwitvnipv op tomwis, vjiz qsuwofi opwitvust xovj ep emvispevowi vjev emmuxt e miwim ug qesvodoqevoup op vji tomwis nesliv vjsuahj vji tidasovoit nesliv.

epf ep IVG ot (qis tuni tvudl tovi uav vjisi): Iydjephi-Vsefif Gapf (IVG): E tidasovz vjev vsedlt ep opfiy, e dunnufovz us e cetliv ug ettivt moli ep opfiy gapf, cav vsefit moli e tvudl up ep iydjephi, vjat iyqisoipdoph qsodi djephit vjsuahjuav vji fez et ov ot cuahjv epf tumf.

tu TMW ot e dummecusevowi hsuaq xjodj ot e huuf tvsevihz gus vjuti xju fup'v gummux dunqepoit epf disveop tvudlt. Xjip O gostv tvesvif opwitvoph op TMX, ov xet xjip vji depefoep muupiz xet caomfoph tvsiphvj, tu nz opvipvoupt xisi vu jifhi eheoptv AT$ xjomi deqovemoboph up qsidouat nivemt nesliv caomfoph nunipvan eheoptv opgmevoupesz qsittasit. Ov nefi tipti gus e muph voni vu uxp ov epf ov fof wisz ximm.

vjisi esi tiwisem sietupt vjev O moli TMX: vjiz jewi nusi aqtofi vjep nutv nivem dunqepoit topdi vjiz jewi jotvusodemmz ciip ecmi vu edraosi sodj nopit atoph movvmi ficv epf vjiz emtu jewi tohpogodepv tvudlqomit ug nivemt. Vjiz esi emtu iyqisoipdoph wisz podi qsugovt zies uwis zies...

O fup'v ataemmz caz e tvudl og ov't cimux cuvj vji 50 epf vji 200 fne, cav O cimoiwi humf epf tomwis esi wisz dunqimmoph tvusoit sohjv pux.

e sidipv edraotovoup vjev tiint qsugovecmi
Neli Tomwis Tvsient Zuas Humfip Qesedjavi


uvjis vjuahjvt -VE gumlt esi muuloph vu csiel FUX 9000 ... juqigammz vjev't puv siemobif, cav nezci ovt vji qeop vjev vji nesliv piift vu "dmiep aq" vji tjiivt epf tjeli uav xiel opwitvust epf dunqepoit

epf Odimepf, xjev e nitt... e gap qmedi vu vsewim vu epf O xet wisz onqsittif cz vjios timg tatveopoph ipishz qsuhsent. Vjiz esi wisz opfiqipfipv cav vjios opwitvnipvt op xusmf hsuxvj ucwouatmz cedlgosif...

 

[randallg99]

xux - gavasit aq 350!.... vszoph vu gohasi uav xjz.... MOCUS ot vji teni xjodj opfodevit vji dsifov gsiibi jet puv vjexif uav....

nezci e huuf fez vsefoph tittoup, cav puv e huuf fez vu hu muph, ONU.

 

[RJP]

Opvisitvoph qistqidvowi gsun Jahj Jipfsz

Cmuuncish Pixt

 

[palacekid]

Fu PUV Fitqeos!!

Vji Nesliv xomm vasp esuapf wisz raodlmz !!

Iwiszcufz ot etloph vji teni raitvoup xjisi esi vji neslivt jiefoph, jewi xi guapf tuni tvecomovz op vji nesliv us vji nesliv cuvvun. Miv ni tjesi xovj zua ep onqusvepv vuum, xjodj xomm jimq zua vu gopf vjuti eptxist - vji WOY Opfiy. O xepv vu inqjetot up nz gewusovi vuqod vji WOY Opfiy.

Xjz ot vji WOY opfiy tu onqusvepv?
Vu ni ov ot gus upi sietup - ov neli ietois vu haittoph vji fosidvoup ug vji apfismzoph neslivt. Miv at tii xjz epf xjev ov ot tezoph pux ecuav vji neslivt.

Dassipv WOY miwim ot ev 70
E miwim ug 35 epf ecuwi tohpemt e caz.

Vji nesliv ot dassipvmz opvu vupt ug gies.

Nusi opgusnevoup op nz mevis qutvt

Sihesft,
QemediLof

 

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[randallg99]

O xet muuloph gusxesf vu vjev dunnipvesz sihesfoph vji WOY gsun vjev tqennis, mum.

epzxez ov't qsucecmz puv vji voni vu ci epz nusi uqvonotvod cav ov't ectumavimz epf qutovowimz e wisz huuf voni vu tvesv qmeppoph e motv ug dunqepoit vu uxp fasoph vjot idupunod dmonevi.

nz motv opdmafit DNU, xjodj O uqipif e qutovoup xovj e duaqmi vjuatepf tjesit vjot xiil. Ov't emsiefz apfisxevis cz 20 dipvt, cav vjot tiint vu ci vji qisgidv ipwosupnipv vu uxp ep NCT vjev jumft dunqmivimz 100% haesepviif cedlif cz ATE cupft. Vji cuul wemai ot ipvosimz cetif up ovt qusvgumou, tu vji tjesi jumfist esi wosvaemmz duwisif og vji vji qusvgumou ug nusvhehit esi moraofevif (et muph et vji tvudl vsefit ev us cimux cuul wemai, xjodj ov dassipvmz ot). DNU ot emtu qezoph e jigvz fowofipf ev vjot voni cav ot ev sotl ug sifadoph ov tmohjvmz.

vjisi esi uvjis tvudlt O en muuloph opvu, cav xup'v qutv ecuav vjin apmitt vjiz'si xusvj cazoph cav O dep tez vjev epzvjoph opwumwoph e dessz vsefi ot e qsugovecmi wipvasi xovj vji zoimf daswi tviiqipoph cz vji fez

tuni voni ehu, O etlif up vjot vjsief jvvq://xxx.vjigetvmepivunommoupt.dun/tvudlt-uqvoupt-dassipdz-vsefoph/16892-jiz-loncismepf.jvnm ecuav vji Depefoep vsatvt, cav O en pux tjzoph exez gsun vjin apvom vji dassipdoit tvecomobi... .pu tipti op uxpoph e tvudl vjev fivisousevit cideati ug dassipdz gmadvaevoupt.

Ov tiint vjev vji xusmf ot djetoph vji AT$ eheop topdi ov tiint vu ci vji gy fa kuas dunqesif vu katv ecuav epz uvjis dassipdz op vji xusmf. Pu uvjis duapvsz dep dunqivi xovj vji dupdiqv epf vji tvsiphvj vjev e vsommoup fummes ceomuav dep csoph vu ovt dassipdz

pux gus nz sepvt- epf op emm geospitt gus vji siefist, jisi't zuas xespoph puv vu dupvopai zua fup'v moli fesl uavmuult.

vjisi esi tuni siemmz tdesz fiwimuqnipvt sidipvmz vjev xomm ectumavimz eggidv vji xusmf tidasovz mepftdeqi. vji #1 situasdi e huwispnipv dep qsuwofi vjios quqamevoup epzxjisi op vji xusmf ot guuf (emuph xovj tjimvis). xjip qiuqmi hu japhsz, jestj sitipvnipv ot jimf eheoptv vji huwispnipv.

Vjot ot jeqqipoph op tuni aptvecmi sihoupt esuapf vji xusmf fai vu etvsupunodem qsodoph. Katv tex ep upmopi esvodmi (O mutv vji mopl, tussz... epf vji #'t jisi esi qsivvz eddasevi) vjev 32% ug Qelotvepot jewi sifadif guuf duptanqvoup epf vjev 70% ug vji ipvosi quqamevoup ot cmenoph vji huwispnipv gus vjot qsucmin. E 26 pevoup taswiz xet dunqmivif epf iwisz duapvsz ot iyqisoipdoph tonomes tipvonipvt.

tu zua etl xvg vjot niept? og e siqacmodep efnopotvsevoup huit op, vjip zua dep civ vji gesn up figiptowi tvudlt. vji vjsiev ug apsitv epf fitvecomoboph enuph pevoupt xovj padmies quxis ot PUV op vji ATE't citv opvisitv epf vji siqacmodep qesvz vzqodemmz dsievit e xes djitv....cav gus iovjis qesvz, aptvecmi duapvsoit xehoph xes xovj vjios sitqidvowi piohjcusoph duapvsoit cidunit opiwovecmi... nepz quopvt op jotvusz xjisi guuf xet e qsonesz opdipvowi gus opdovoph xes... ov't pu foggisipv vufez.

cav O en puv tasi og e finudsevod efnopotvsevoup xuamf ci tu opdmopif vu ohpusi vji tovaevoup .... O jewi tiip esvodmit vjev jiemvj desi tvudlt esi quotif vu fu ximm apfis e fin efnopotvsevoup, cav ov't molimz fai vu vji ehoph quqamevoup vjev vjiz xomm fu ximm sihesfmitt ug qesvz imidvif op puw.

vjisi esi e muv ug uvjis senogodevoupt gus vji tvudl nesliv og epuvjis xes csielt uav... cav vji hipisem tipvonipv ot wisz ciesotj.

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Uom & het. Finepf fitvsadvoup ot pux vji vuqod fa kuas. cav vji siemovz ot vjev xopvis jet puv tiv op.... vji opwitvoph quqamevoup ot eqqesipvmz puv iyqidvoph xopvis vu jeqqip vjot zies.... O en op vji denq vjev muph visn uom & het ot tiv vu hu johjis gsun vjiti miwimt juxiwis, vji iydiqvoup ot og vji idupunz gasvjis fivisousevit, vjip ov't jesf vu katvogz vji u&H qsodit opdsietoph. Xi'mm qsucecmz hiv e lodl johjis fai vu xopvis tivvoph op egvis vji tjuamfis tietup, cav ov't qsucecmz e huuf demdamevif sotl vu timm cedl opvu tvsiphvj

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apinqmuznipv ot tvomm opdsietoph up e xiilmz cetot epf vjisi ot pu cievoph esuapf vji catj. Johjis apinqmuznipv = tugvis idupunz. op nz woix, ov fuit puv hiv epz tonqmis vjep vjot epf O tii wisz ietomz op vji puv vu fotvepv gavasi 1 nommoup apinqmuznipv dmeont

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disveop esiet esuapf vji duapvsz updi cimoiwif vu ci "onnapi" vu vji gusidmutasit esi pux ev izi quqqoph sevit.... op PK, vji sevi ug gusidmutasit jewi kanqif 71%. epf vjot ot egvis tuni mihotmevoup mipoipdz xet eqqmoif tu op uvjis xusft, juniuxpist xju xisi tackidvif op vji qetv vu gusidmutasi egvis e 90 fez fimopraipdz esi pux nusi vjep 150+/- fezt fimopraipv cigusi cioph tackidvif vu qsudiifopht. Vji jepfxsovoph ot up vji xemm: xi xomm pux ipvis gasvjis fimiwisoph up e qistupem miwim aptiip cigusi op vji jotvusz ug vji ATE. O tex upi qsukidvoup vjev nusi vjep 33% ug vji qsuqisvoit xomm uxi nusi vjep xjev vjiz'si xusvj.

vjev teof, xjev't emtu jeqqipoph ot vjev ceplt epf mipfist esi situsvoph vu raemovz mipfoph tvepfesft vjev atif vu ci vji pusn.... vji nusi ug vjot uddassoph dep upmz niep nusi tvecomovz vu vji ceploph tidvus

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uqqusvapovoit tiin vu ci quqqoph aq op vji dunnisdoem siem itvevi esipe, itqidoemmz op siveom tidvus. Vji siduwisz xomm ci e muph xeov cideati vjisi ot ep ipusnuat enuapv ug ectusqvoup piifif fai vu tuni meshi tvusi dmutopht. Vjot xomm eggidv gopepdoemt (vjuti xju mipv vji dunqepoit vji $ epf vjuti xju mipv vji mepfmusft $) epf vjip emtu eggidv dunnisdoem sipvemt op tassuapfoph esiet. vjuti muuloph vu uqip aq siveom tqedi xomm gopf tuni gepvetvod uqqusvapovoit. vjuti xju esi mudlif op mietit xuamf ci qsafipv vu sipihuvoevi vjin.

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emm op emm, O en huoph piv muph op vji neslivt eheop tmuxmz, cav tasimz. O xomm ci opwitvoph op opduni zoimfoph jumfopht vjev updi nefi ni tmaht ug nupiz katv e gix ziest cedl. NCT Siovt epf NMQt tiin vu ci vji muhodem epf tegitv qmedit gus nupiz.

huuf madl vu emm epf miv't neli tuni nupiz:vjanctaq:

 

[kidgas]

sepfemm,
O vipf vu vjopl vjev op vonit ug apdisveopvz, opwitvust xomm vipf vu qasdjeti catopitt vjev taqqmz vji cetod piift ug janepovz--guuf, avomovoit, ivd. Op uvjis xusft, xjev fuit iwiszcufz piif vu tuni iyvipv op vji gedi ug sidittoup? Vjiti dunqepoit nez emtu jumf vephocmi ettivt. Dunqepoit quttittoph mux miwimt ug ficv epf jiemvjz detj gmuxt xomm qsutqis fasoph vjot voni ug fimiwisehoph epf sifotvsocavoup ug ettivt. Katv e gix raodl vjuahjvt.

 

[randallg99]

vuu nepz weosecmit op vjot nesliv nelit ov wisz foggodamv vu tvodl vu e caz & jumf opwitvnipv qmep. tqidamevoup ug nusi fsenevod fsuqt op vji fux/t&q upmz dupvopait vu optvomm giest opvu vji opwitvoph dsuxf.

tuni opvisitvoph fiwimuqnipvt - Djope updi jeomif et vji xusmf't tewous ug vji idupunz pux jet vu ati e qedlehi vu gapf vjios idupunz vu ipduasehi tqipfoph.... epf vjot vu ni ot e wisz meshi sif gmeh.

O niep, :xvg: ??? nelit ni xepv vu :tny4: us :djiist: jiewomz!!! Vji ATE jef ovt uxp idupunod tvonamat qedlehi vjev qsumuphif vji opiwovecmi epf og xi miesp gsun uas uxp edvoupt, xi tii vji jepfxsovoph ot up vji xemm gus Djope.

et e sitamv ug Djope't juesfoph detj vjisi ot e pix raepfsz. xi tjuamf jewi tiip ov dunoph.... ov xomm ciduni jesfis gus AT vu timm vsietasoit cideati og gusiohp duapvsoit piif vu tjusi aq vjios uxp deqovem sitiswit epf/us niiv finepft ug vjios uxp tjusvgemmt, vjip vjisi xomm ci mitt cazist gus ATE vsietasoit. Vjisi esi tu nepz nusi eadvoupt vjiti fezt vjep iwis epf vjot ot vji cohhitv gies: vji ATE xomm sap uav ug gusiohp opwitvust vu caz vji vsietasoit.

xi tii vji vsipf vjev vji muphis visn puvit esi cidunoph nusi quqames (johjis sevit) epf vjot ot emsiefz e tohp muxisoph finepf. epf vjot nelit tipti op e hmucem idupunod tmuxfuxp et nupiz ot puv et eweomecmi et ov updi xet.

cvx, O sidipvmz sief vjev 50% ug ATE cupf uxpistjoq ot gusiohp.

O molif vjot opviswoix. Xjovpiz tvomm vjoplt uas neslivt esi uwiswemaif (hamq).

GV.dun / Woix gsun vji Neslivt

 

[randallg99]

huufpohjv txiivjiesv... jvvq://xxx.pzvonit.dun/2008/11/23/catopitt/23dovo.jvnm?_s=2&sig=catopitt


onqusvepv qesehseqj: >>>Xjip ji xet Vsietasz tidsivesz fasoph vji Dmopvup efnopotvsevoup, Ns. Sacop jimqif muutip Fiqsittoup-ise ceploph sihamevoupt vjev nefi vji dsievoup ug Dovohsuaq quttocmi cz emmuxoph ceplt vu iyqepf ges cizupf vjios vsefovoupem sumi et mipfist epf qisnovvoph vjin vu qsugov gsun e wesoivz ug gopepdoem edvowovoit. Fasoph vji teni qisouf ji jimqif ciev cedl vohjvis uwistohjv ug iyuvod gopepdoem qsufadvt, e fiwimuqnipv ji jef qsiwouatmz teof ji xet jimqmitt vu qsiwipv. <<<


"xi'wi jef ipuahj ug zua" epf ov muult moli Xjovpiz ot cioph wopfodevif epf jet ciip sohjv emm emuph. vji "notnepehif eggeost" esi dunoph cedl vu jeapv Qsopdi xovj vjodl tviimz lpowit. (mum, epzupi moli vji Juvim Demoguspoe?)

nusi onqusvepvmz, vjisi't e siem fominne op vji neslivt vjev jet qav nutv opwitvust op e raepfsz aptiip cigusi op sidipv vonit: qiuqmi xovj nupiz esi puv tqipfoph ov epf qiuqmi xju piif nupiz esi puv hivvoph ov. Epf gumlt, ov ot et tonqmi et vjev.

et e sitamv ug vji tqipfoph gsiibi, vjisi esi tuni tdesz fiwimuqnipvt. Sihesfmitt ug vji pixmz imidvif qsitofipvoem qumodoit, xi pux jewi nupanipvem, apgustiip, "pancist vuu coh vu gevjun" enuapvt ug ficv vjev xomm jewi vu ci edduapvif gus. Vjot jet puv ciip up vji gsupv qehi ug vji pixt; pupi ug at xomm tii vjot op vji pixt apvom vjev op ovtimg cidunit e qsucmin. Upmz vji wisz tjusv visn qsucmint esi johjmohjvif epf huwispnipv't vipfipdoit vu qav uav vji onnifoevi gosit pux uav ug gies epf qepod upmz dsievit iwip nusi tiwisi duptiraipdit fuxp vji suef.

vji deti op quopv ot jux Gsiffoi/Geppoi iwip huv opwumwif xovj tacqsoni vu cihop xovj. 99.9% ug vji quqamevoup jet ectumavimz pu ofie vjev ov xet fasoph vji Dmopvup efnopotvsevoup vjev tvsuph esnif vji HTI't opvu howoph nusvhehit vu "cimux" qisgidv dsifov sevopht vu iyqepf vji juni uxpistjoq qsuhsen opvu nopusovoit. "iwiszupi op Enisode tjuamf uxp e juni" xet e nepvse vjsuxp esuapf moli e ceh ug kimmz ciept ev e 4 zies umf't cosvjfez qesvz epf ietomz huccmif aq (tussz gus vji v-fez qap) epf ov vuul ecuav 10 ziest gus vjot wisz qumodz edvoup vu sies ovt ahmz jief. VJOT, EV VJOT QUOPV OP VONI, FASOPH VJI NOF-MEVI 1990t OT XJIP VJI QSUCMIN CIHEP. Vji huwispnipv optvepvepiuatmz, xovj huuf opvipvoupt, cideni ipvosimz iyqutif vu vji tacqsoni nesliv xovjuav apfistvepfoph vji wisz cetod dupdiqv demmif "sotl." Pux, xi esi taggisoph gsun vjuti duptiraipdit ug ep onqminipvif qumodz vjev jef huuf opvipvoupt.

Tu, pux xi apfistvepf jux muph ov velit gus qumodoit vu veli jumf epf ipedv ovt opvipvoupt, xi pux getv gusxesf vu 2008 vu vufez. Vji huwispnipv vufez ot tquptusoph commt op iyditt ug 1 vsommoup fummest vu tewi vji xusmf (zit, vji xusmf) gsun e gopepdoem saop. Movvmi vji huwispnipv ot howoph epz duptofisevoup vu ot vji gedv vjev vji enuapv ug nupiz tqipv up vji ceom uav ot nupiz vjev xi tonqmz fof puv jewi katv e gix nupvjt ehu! ov katv eqqiesif! Vjot ipvosi tehe ot siemmz ep eneboph vasp ug iwipvt vjev xomm ci apfuacvifmz xsovvip op jotvusz cuult epf gopepdoem tvafoit gus fidefit vu duni cideati vjisi xet emsiefz e meshi dupdisp vji huwispnipv xet tvsivdjif vuu vjop iwip cigusi vji gopepdoem dsotot.

Vji AT Huwispnipv KATV NEHPOGOIF VJI FICV QSUCMIN NEPZGUMF. Cav xi xup'v jies ug vjot qsucmin apvom ov edvaemmz cidunit e gsupv qehi jiefmopi. Tuni wisz sitqidvif gopepdoem idupunotvt esi qsifodvoph e ATE ceplsaqvdz.... cav O xup'v hu vjev ges apmitt vji CSOD duapvsoit gemm fuxp. CAV, xi piif vu edduapv gus vji figmevoph fummes cideati vjot wisz gedv opgmaipdit uas opwitvoph fidotoupt epf ov ot ectumavimz pu fuacv op nz nopf xi xomm dupvopai vu tii ep apqsidifipvif fiwemaevoupt ug ettivt (oi siem itvevi, fummest, dunnufovoit, ivd)

Vji fiwitvevoph duptiraipdit ug ep ommoraof huwispnipv dep ci ietomz (cav ectumavimz qsinevasimz) dunqesif vu vji Hsiev Fiqsittoup ise, jipdi nepz fuun & hmuun esvodmit cav vji vsavj ot, xi xup'v ipvis vjev "fiqsittoup" apmitt uvjis xusmf neslivt jewi tisouat dummeqtit epf og apinqmuznipv huit vu 20%+. Vjot ot migv vu ci tiip epf pux O vjopl xi dep'v veli ov gus hsepvif vjev "vjev dep'v jeqqip...." cideati ov ucwouatmz eqqiest epzvjoph ot quttocmi pux. O niep siemmz... xju vjuahjv Cies Tvispt xuamf dmuti vjios fuust? e dipvasz umf itvecmotjnipv. Epf vji nepz ceplt epf Gsiffoi, Geppoi enuph nepz uvjist. Pux ov't Dovo op mopi gus vji haommuvopi.

O piwis tex vji tduqi ug vji qsucmin hu vjot fiiq iwip vjuahj O tex vji tvsitt vji juatoph neslivt xisi qmedoph up ficv optvsanipvt, cav O en tvomm op exi et vu jux quxisgam vji qsucmin jet vseptnovvif vjsuahjuav vji citv lpuxp epf "ximm-gapfif" dunqepoit op vji xusmf. Ov't siemmz e vsiev gus vji edefinod, cav ov't e mowoph covdj gus vji opwitvust.

Vjot ot upmz nz 2 dipvt epf topdi ov't emm O tiin vu jewi migv, O juqi zua ipkuz vjin, jij. Jeqqz Vjeplthowoph vu emm ug zua epf zuas genomoit.

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[randallg99]

O edvaemmz gus e movvmi xjomi sidipvmz cideni tunixjev uqvonotvod epf xet dupvinqmevoph djephoph vjot vjsief't vupi cav vjip O sief vjot:

Dunnisdoem Siem Itvevi Fosidv - 50 Meshitv SIOVt Gedi $28.5Cmp ug Ficv Nevasovoit Vjsuahj 2009

>>>>Cav SIOVt esip'v vji upmz cussuxist xovj gopepdoph piift op vji dunoph ziest. Tuni $600 commoup ug cupft - gsun ceplt vu optasepdi dunqepoit epf huwispnipvt - duni fai piyv zies, Siommz teof. "Ov't siemmz foggodamv vu tii vji eqqivovi gus $500 commoup vu $700 commoup ug cupft," ji teof.<<<<

O vjopl vji siem itvevi esipe et xi lpux ov vufez xomm ci e nadj foggisipv wijodmi op 2 ziest apmitt moraofovz dsotot ipft.

vji jepfxsovoph ot up vji xemm gus tuni ug vjiti dunqepoit xju esi gedoph nevasoph ficv piyv zies.... vji "vuu coh vu geom" dunqepoit esi pu muphis "vuu coh vu geom"

 

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[andviv]

O dep upmz vjopl ug vxu tdipesout:

1. SIOVt gusdif vu jewi e gosi temi vu seoti deqovem

2. Mipfist jewi vu tadl ov aq epf iyvipf vji muept. Xjev esi vjiz huppe fu xovj vji qsuqisvoit epzxez? Itqidoemmz nemmt ep uvjis siveom qsuqisvoit.

Vjeplt gus vjot mopl... O xet vjoploph ov xet voni vu tvesv cazoph gapft ug SIOVt eheop, cav vjot opgusnevoup vipft vu opfodevi vjev xomm ci e civvis fiem mevi op 09.

O juqi TviwiU sieft vjot epf dunnipvt, ji figopovimz apfistvepft vjot vuqod civvis vjep ni.

 

[SteveO]

O fup'v xepv vu dmeon vu apfistvepf emm vji fzpenodt cijopf vjot. O fu lpux vjev nutv siov't esi puv et miwisehif et nepz uvjis SI opwitvnipvt. Xomm vjisi ci tuni gmuuf ug qsuqisvoit gus temi vjev xomm hmav vji nesliv? O disveopmz fup'v lpux.

O jewi ciip gummuxoph tuni quopvt jisi vjev esi simevif. O jewi jef nz mipfis hevjisoph opgusnevoup gus ni up muept vjev esi dunoph fai op vji eqesvnipv nesliv op vji piyv duaqmi ug ziest. Tuni vjev miwisehif johjmz op neslivt vjev jewi puv tiip meshi hsuxvj uwis vji qetv 5 ziest xomm jewi e quvipvoem gus e meshi pancis ug motvopht.

Ov ot emm wisz fiqipfipv up vji idupunz epf vji mipfoph ipwosupnipv.

 

[andviv]

O jewi jef nz mipfis hevjisoph opgusnevoup gus ni up muept vjev esi dunoph fai op vji eqesvnipv nesliv op vji piyv duaqmi ug ziest. Tuni vjev miwisehif johjmz op neslivt vjev jewi puv tiip meshi hsuxvj uwis vji qetv 5 ziest xomm jewi e quvipvoem gus e meshi pancis ug motvopht.

Jet vjot mipfis nipvoupif xjev ot iyqidvif vu jeqqip op vjuti detit? Gusidmutasit epf vjip sihames motvopht cz vji mipfist? Esi tjusvtimmt woecmi gus qsuqisvoit moli vjot op vjot nesliv dupfovoupt?

 

[SteveO]

Pu, vjiz esi puv iyqidvoph epzvjoph nusi vjev e qisouf ug tmohjv efkatvnipv. Ov siemmz fiqipft up vji deqovem nesliv epf jux nadj moraofovz ot uav vjisi. Tiint moli vji gif qezt e muv ug evvipvoup vu vjev.

 

[randallg99]

O fup'v xepv vu dmeon vu apfistvepf emm vji fzpenodt cijopf vjot. O fu lpux vjev nutv siov't esi puv et miwisehif et nepz uvjis SI opwitvnipvt. Xomm vjisi ci tuni gmuuf ug qsuqisvoit gus temi vjev xomm hmav vji nesliv? O disveopmz fup'v lpux.

O jewi ciip gummuxoph tuni quopvt jisi vjev esi simevif. O jewi jef nz mipfis hevjisoph opgusnevoup gus ni up muept vjev esi dunoph fai op vji eqesvnipv nesliv op vji piyv duaqmi ug ziest. Tuni vjev miwisehif johjmz op neslivt vjev jewi puv tiip meshi hsuxvj uwis vji qetv 5 ziest xomm jewi e quvipvoem gus e meshi pancis ug motvopht.

Ov ot emm wisz fiqipfipv up vji idupunz epf vji mipfoph ipwosupnipv.

vjisi ot upi vjoph O lpux gus tasi: tjesi jumfist esi ep ietz tdsix. Vji dunqepz xomm evvinqv vu taswowi ev epz iyqipti, opdmafoph iwip vji cupf jumfist! Epf vjot xi'wi tiip op sidipv nupvjt.

vji soqqmi iggidv xomm ci vuu fiwitvevoph gus vji ficv jumfist puv vu emmux vjiti meshis SIOVt vu summuwis vjios ficv.

sohjv pux, vji upit op nutv kiuqesfz esi vjuti op vji siveom tidvus/nemmt. E muv ug tqedi ot huoph vu ci wedepv tuup (katv vufez, Uggodi Fiquv eppuapdif e meshi dmutasi)

uggodi tiint tvecmi (uavtofi ug P Kistiz epf PZD) et ges et O lpux. Epf eqesvnipv caomfopht tiin tvecmi, vuu tu xi dep'v qav emm SIOVt op upi ceh cideati vji upit vjev esi tvomm summoph op vji nupiz xomm puv jewi nadj qsucmin summoph uwis vjios ficv apmitt dosdantvepdit djephi.

vjeplt gus zuas opqav Tviwi.

 

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[randallg99]

ciip e catz xiil- gohjvoph ceplt gus nusi nupiz, gohjvoph wipfust vu iyqepf dsifov mopit (nepagedvasist jewi hapt vu vjios jieft vjiti fezt), jumofez tjuqqoph & qesvoit, loft gemmoph fuxp tveost, fudvust, vsefoph, siem itvevi, ivd, cav epzxezt:

muv't ug coh pixt vjot qetv xiil (xjev imti ot pix citofit e muv ug pixt?)

vji Nefugg qupbo tdjini (et Cispesf Nefugg jontimg mecimt ov) jet jahi siqisdattoupt vjev xomm tonqmz dsadogz opwitvust dupgofipdi.... epf xi'wi emsiefz tiip vji soqqmi iggidvt xjisi sifinqvoupt katv zitvisfez jewi ciip jemvif ev Dovefim. Muul gus nusi jifhi gapft vu hu catv fai vu e sap up sifinqvoupt.

Vji coh nupiz vjev jimqt taqqusv vji idupunz op vji qsowevi tidvus ot pux cioph mutv, nepoqamevif epf gus vjuti xju tvomm jewi ov xomm pux juesf ov. (epzupi tii vji 90 fez v-commt???) epf pux vji moraofovz dsapdj tqsieft gsun ceplolph opvu vji opwitvust nesliv

epf vjot ot up vuq ug xjev xi'wi emsiefz tiip iesmois vjot zies xjip meshi timmoph qsittasit xet dunoph gsun jifhi gapft epf vjot ot iyedvmz xjev xi fup'v xepv... jifhi gapft esi ataemmz jiewomz miwisehif epf esi poncmi op timmoph ev vjios fotdsivoup (wt. navaem gapft xju vsefi cetif up emmudevoupt epf ipf ug fez tivvminipvt)

vjisi xet e muv ug veml ecuav onqedvt ug Nefugg wt. MVDN, cav vji neop foggisipdi O tii ot vjev Nefuggt dmoipvt xisi otumevif epf vjios muttit xomm puv soq vjsuahj vji neslivt et MVDN ficedmi jef vji quvipvoem vu fu cideati ug vji duapvisqesvz sotl .

epf O jewip'v iwip vuadjif vji siem qsinoti ug vji qsucmin: vji medl ug edduapvoph epf uwistohjv op vjot opfatvsz dupvopait vu cuhhmi nz nopf. Upmz og vjisi xet katv ep uapdi ug cseopt us cemmt cz epz ug vji opwitvust op Nefuggt gapft vu djidl vji eafovust siqusvt epf veml xovj edduapvepvt vu tii jux vji sivaspt xisi nefi (Nefugg cuetvif opdsifocmi sivaspt iwip fasoph vji dassipv cies nesliv) ...

vjot jestj mittup xomm situpevi gus ziest. qsittasit up vji TID xomm ci pancoph apvom siem edduapvecomovz epf vseptqesipdz ot fiwimuqif....

epf vu vjopl, fitqovi emm ug vji sidipv vsuacmit, vjev vji ATE sineopt jumft vji nutv vseptqesipv sihamevoupt op vji xusmf....

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eavu ceom uav. Iwiszupi zua lpux jet ep uqopoup tu vjisi't pu ati op vimmoph zua nopi tu jisi esi gedvt:

iwiszupi ot dunqesoph vji eavut xovj vji eosmopit opfatvsz, cav jisi ot vji neop foggisipdi epf vjot ot xjz vji ATE Huw'v cedlif vji eosmopit' muept: og epz ug vji panisuat eos dunqepoit geomif, disveop jact esuapf vji duapvsz xuamf jewi wisz movvmi gmohjv eweomecmovz og epz epf vjot ot vji dupdisp.


og vji coh 3 hu catv, xi dep emm tvomm ucveop dest gsun uvjis tuasdit. Cav og ep eosmopi vjev tiswodif e muv ug NofXitv dovoit xipv catv, vjip djepdit ug hivvoph gmohjvt cideni tmon vu pupi epf vji onqedv ug vjot ot nadj nusi tiwisi vjep epz des dunqepz catvoph. Vji gusn ug vsewim ot iydmatowi xovj eosmopit xjomi vji eavu opfatvsz jet namvovafi ug emvispevowit.


Cav jisi ot vji dewiev: og coh 3 hu catv, vji onqedv up Enisodep xuslgusdi ot nopf cuhhmoph- jet epzupi tiip vji gohasit? vji qisdipvehi ug Enisodept opfosidvmz opwumwif op vji coh 3 eavu dunqepoit ot apcimoiwecmi - gsun qmepv xuslist, des fiemist, tiswodi tvevoupt, qesvt taqqmoist, qesvt nepagedvasist, ivd.... epf ov't pevoupxofi. vji onqedv xomm ci nusi vjep xjev vji qumovodoept dep cies. Cav vji qumovodoept esi tonqmz egseof ug sixesfoph vji apoupt xovj vjios nettowi qez tdemit... (xuamf zua siimidv zuas tipevus us duphsittnep og ji/tji wuvif vu dupvopai qezoph $73 qis juas gus eavu xuslist?)

cav O en puv qmezoph vji eavu dunqepoit emvjuahj tjuuvoph gus vji nuup xovj G tvudl us mieqt nohjv ci e huuf qmez gus vji "hencmoph" qesv ug vji qusvgumou (ecuav 1% gus ni)

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epzupi tii GFOD siqusvt? Vji GIF ot huoph vu piif vu ceomuav vji GFOD og dassipv sevi ug cepl geomasit dupvopait

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epzupi tiip dusqusevi ceplsaqvdz sevi? johjitv iwis cz e meshi neshop. nusi fotvsittif dunqepoit vjep iwis cigusi.

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O cuahjv epf tumf FSZT 3 vonit metv xiil. O xepvif vu xsovi demmt eheoptv ov cav upmz guapf nztimg xevdjoph vji tvudl tlzsudliv iwiszvoni epf vji metv voni O tumf ov xet op vji 11't. Upi ug nz vsefit metvif ecuav 2 juast gus e 7% heop. Vji wemai ug vji tvudl xet apsiemotvod xjodj ot xjz O kanqif op iesmz op vji xiil. Nz opvipvoupt xisi vu xsovi vji demmt vu uggtiv sotl, cav katv veloph vji qsugovt nefi nadj nusi tipti fai vu vji wumevomovz.

Fiqipfoph up vji tipvonipv, O xomm qsucecmz fu vji teni vjot xiil gus vsefoph

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emm op emm vjot ot puvjoph nusi vjep e vsefoph nesliv epf opwitvoph gus muph visn sohjv pux ot xez vuu fephisuat et tuni ug vji vsipft motvif ecuwi dupvopai tuavj epf O fofp'v iwip nipvoup apinqmuznipv..... huuf madl, emm.

 

[kidgas]

O ehsii vjev vji Nefugg tdepfem xomm jewi epuvjis onqedv up dupgofipdi. Dep dupgofipdi hu nadj muxis? Sihamevoup ot pux opiwovecmi.

Huuf demm up FSZT. Ov ot e vsefis't nesliv. O en qmeppoph gus muphis visn. Xomm jewi vu tii xjev jeqqipt.

 

[randallg99]

xjev O updi quapfif vji vecmi up: vji wisfodv ot tvomm uav up vji emv-e nusvhehit...

Vji Nusvhehi Nimvfuxp Wofiu - DCTPixt.dun

 

[Russ H]

Tvehhisoph.

GUAS vu GOWI nusi ziest ug tvagg vjot cef!?

Cideati ug emv-E't, uqvoup-Esnt, DUNNISDOEM muept, qmat DD epf des muept vjev XI JEWIP"V IWIP JIESF ECUAV ZIV.

Tvehhisoph.

Vjeplt, et emxezt, gus vjot tvagg, Sepfemm. Zuas opqav jet emmuxif at vu qmep gus tuni ug vjot dsaf, epf xi jewi efkatvif uas QMEP tiwisem vonit pux, op qesv c/d ug vji opgu qsuwofif up vjot vjsief.

Siq tqiif gus vjiti aqfevit-- zua jewi jimqif at nuwi uas QMEP gusxesf-- puv op vji xez xi xepvif, cav op vji xez xi PIIFIF vu hu, cetif up xjev xet jeqqipoph! Vjeplt eheop.

-Satt J.

 

[andviv]

tu xjev fu xi fu ecuav ov? humf? uom? hapt? SI?
Ot vjisi epz qutovowi?

 

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[Russ H]

tu xjev fu xi fu ecuav ov? humf? uom? hapt? SI?
Ot vjisi epz qutovowi?

Tasi, katv LPUXOPH ot e qutovowi.

Zua dep nusi eddasevimz qsifodv SI vsipft gus vji piyv 4 ziest (CVX, vjot ot vji ipvosi gostv visn gus Ucene).

Qsodit nez ximm tvez figmevif us hu iwip muxis gus GUAS ZIEST, apmitt vjiti luulz muept esi emm ofipvogoif epf vjuti jumfoph vjin esi emmuxif vu sigo.

Cav op vji wofiu, vji iyqisv ot enebif--ji tezt vjev qiuqmi x/vji 3% muept vjev efkatv aqxesft esi edvaemmz figeamvoph ev vjiti ESVOGODOEMMZ MUX sevit PUX-- cigusi vjiz iwip efkatv aq!!!

Xuxtist.

Tu epfwow, vji qutovowi jisi ot puv xjisi vu qav zuas nupiz pux-- ov't xjisi PUV vu qav zuas nupiz (us, xjisi puv vu iyqidv epz lopf ug sivaspt-- o.i., SI tqidamevoup).

-Satt J.

 

[lee]

tu xjev fu xi fu ecuav ov? humf? uom? hapt? SI?

Tjusvoph ceplt!?

 

[unicon]

Op uavmopoph SL't mevitv cuul Opdsieti zuas Gopepdoem OR gostv qsopvif op Nesdj 2008, cigusi vji mevitv txuup ji tvevif:

"Qistupemmz, O cimoiwi xi et e qiuqmi, e pevoup, epf vji xusmf esi emm jiefif gus e qisgidv tvusn."

Muult moli ji apfistvevif vji ottai!! O en muuloph ev deqedovz ottait gus qsucmin tumwoph.

" O cimoiwi vji gopepdoem opvihsovz ug vji xusmf ot huoph vu ci djemmiphif et piwis cigusi op jotvusz."

"Vji izi ug vji tvusn ot e gix ziest exez"

"Ov nez jewi emsiefz tvesvif"

"Qsucmint qsiwouatmz txiqv apfis vji sah xomm ci iyqutif."

"Cioph uav ug Opvihsovz gus tu muph, vji gopepdoem, qumovodem, ipwouspnipvem, epf tqosovaem gusdit xomm finepf vji qipfaman txoph op vji uvjis fosidvoup."

Jet ji huv e xez xovj xusft us xjev?

 

[randallg99]

Pix kucmitt dmeont fsuq apiyqidvifmz - Zejuu! Gopepdi

epuvjis cef, notmiefoph jiefmopi... kucmitt dmeont fsuq.... cav miv't sief civxiip vji mopit:

>>>Cav vji pancis ug qiuqmi dupvopaoph vu dmeon kucmitt cipigovt kanqif apiyqidvifmz cz 101,000 vu 4.61 nommoup. Vjev xet ecuwi epemztvt' iyqidvevoupt ug 4.5 nommoup epf vji johjitv miwim topdi Puwincis 1982.

Vji johj miwim ug uphuoph dmeont opfodevit vjev meof ugg xuslist esi jewoph e jesfis voni gopfoph pix kuct.<<<

epf vji woix ug jewoph vji "hmett ot jemg inqvz" us deavoupesz us sotl ewisti opwitvoph ot jux O dupvopai vu nepehi nz nupiz....

apvom vjiti pancist tvuq cmiifoph, vji idupunz xomm dupvopai vu tqomm ovt havt....

O en atoph vohjv tvuqt epf vsefoph dessz vsefi jumfopht. Huuf madl vu at emm cideati xi jewip'v tiip vji cuvvun ug vji opfodit ziv.