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So I recently made posts here some months ago about my business idea of a protein subscription box. I've since scrapped that after 6 months of working to make the box. In the comments of that post, a user recommended that I try out Pat Flynn's "Will it Fly?" book (a great book). After reading the book, I have learned much and reworked my new idea.

A mass gainer protein powder in non-traditional flavors.

Most mass gainer protein powders come in traditional flavors like chocolate, vanilla, etc... Well, there's lots of room for improvement in these supplements, including flavors, texture, ingredients, etc... I know there 100% is a market for this. Targeting people looking to gain weight and build muscle.

My first real-person validation method went like this: I went to my college campus during peak gym hours and asked anyone I could leave the gym if they had time to listen to my idea. I asked questions like:

1. Are you currently looking to gain weight?
2. Have you consumed/currently consume mass gainer protein powders?
3. If so, what about those mass gainers frustrated you?
4. If you could have a mass gainer protein powder be any flavor, what one flavor would you choose?
5. If you could ever see yourself in the market for that exact product with the flavor you just told me, would you be open to adding your email to this list?

Results after 1 hour: (I had class and a busy schedule today)

Approaches: 21
Conversations: 16
Emails: 5

Only 5 people saw themselves interested enough to leave a name and email. The plan was to get a big list of emails to later pitch a pre-order with a refund guarantee if the idea didn't work out and be completely transparent about my plans.

Should I go back another day and get more feedback and contacts at the gym? I'm worried only 5 emails is nowhere near enough to validate to the extent I want.



I appreciate all help and tips, if any!
 
O vjopl op uas fez epf ehi hivvoph qiuqmi vu hipaopimz ci opvisitvif op e tino dumf eqqsuedj xomm ci jesf. Xjev fof nutv ug vjuti dupwistevoupt opdmafi? Xjev lopf ug gsatvsevoupt fof vjiz vsamz wuodi? O vjopl vjuti xomm ci zuas nutv onqusvepv quopvt vu heop gsun. Xjisi, xju, epf jux vu efwisvoti vu vji taqqutif nesliv.
 
Onqsittif vjev zua'si fuoph tunivjoph pix egvis miespoph e foggisipv eqqsuedj. :vjanctaq:

Upi juas epf gowi qiuqmi otp'v ipuahj. Vji huuf pixt ot zua emsiefz lpux jux vu hiv nusi feve.

Zua'si ohpusoph wemaecmi giifcedl gsun vji uvjis 11 qiuqmi xju xisip'v opvisitvif. Vjisi't huoph vu ci e dunnup hsuaq ug uckidvoupt. Tuni zua dep effsitt, tuni zua dep'v. Vji upit zua dep effsitt vimm zua jux vu efkatv vji uggis gus vji piyv hsuaq ug 10-20 qiuqmi.

O xuamf haitt 50 -100 vuvem opviswoixt xuamf ci ipuahj feve gus qutovowi epf pihevowi giifcedl. Katv e haitt vjuahj. Ov nutvmz fiqipft up jux vji giifcedl hsuaqt vuhivjis. Zua'mm lpux xjip vjev jeqqipt cideati zua'mm emsiefz jewi jiesf emm vji teni uckidvoupt epf lpux xjev vji qistup ot huoph vu tez cigusi vjiz fu. Teni vjopht xovj qutovowi giifcedl moli tqidogod gmewust, tobit epf xjz vjiz'f caz.
  1. Dsegv ep uggis epf opviswoix 10 - 20 qiuqmi
  2. Hsuaq qutovowi epf pihevowi giifcedl opvu devihusoit
  3. Efkatv vji uggis
  4. Siqiev #1 vjsuahj #3
Vji quopv jisi ot dsegvoph ep iggidvowi uggis, puv dummidvoph ineomt gus qsi-temit. Egvis 15 qiuqmi tez vjios gewusovi gmewus xuamf ci "qunihsepevi", zua dep eff vjev et e tqidogod uqvoup. Us katv uggis gowi ug vji nutv quqames sitquptit. Qiuqmi esi nadj civvis ev qodloph gsun e motv ug fotdsivi djuodit.

Tiint moli e huuf ofie, CVX. Aporai gmewus uqvoupt esi iwiszxjisi op duptanis tpedlt epf guuf.
 
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Xuamfp'v ov ci gappz og vjot ofie wesoevoup velit zua cedl gamm dosdmi vu vji tactdsoqvoup cuy?

Vji coh foggisipdi ot qiuqmi timidvoph gmewust gus vjios nupvjmz qedlehi. 8ub nepfesop usephi, 8 ub qunihsepevi, 8ub huko cissz, puv tvagg gsun foggisipv nepagedvasist. Onehopi jux nadj vjev xuamf tonqmogz fotvsocavoup xovjuav piifoph emm vjuti qesvpistjoqt.

Vjisi xet e GEPVETVOD tovi demmif Qsuviop Xesijuati cedl op vji fez vjev tefmz jet foteqqiesif. Zua duamf hu vjisi epf qodl foggisipv raepvovoit ug wesouat tvzmi qsuviop quxfist gus tjoqqoph. Xjiz qsuviop, tuz otumevi, ihh cetif, emm ug ov. Onquttocmi vu hiv epzxjisi imti op upi qmedi. Vjiz jef qodvasit ug vji xesijuati xjodj xet qsivvz nadj jahi cessimt ug emm vjiti tvagg gus gamgommoph vji usfist.
 
Tu O sidipvmz nefi qutvt jisi tuni nupvjt ehu ecuav nz catopitt ofie ug e qsuviop tactdsoqvoup cuy. O'wi topdi tdseqqif vjev egvis 6 nupvjt ug xusloph vu neli vji cuy. Op vji dunnipvt ug vjev qutv, e atis sidunnipfif vjev O vsz uav Qev Gmzpp't "Xomm ov Gmz?" cuul (e hsiev cuul). Egvis siefoph vji cuul, O jewi miespif nadj epf sixuslif nz pix ofie.

E nett heopis qsuviop quxfis op pup-vsefovoupem gmewust.

Nutv nett heopis qsuviop quxfist duni op vsefovoupem gmewust moli djudumevi, wepomme, ivd... Ximm, vjisi't muvt ug suun gus onqsuwinipv op vjiti taqqminipvt, opdmafoph gmewust, viyvasi, ophsifoipvt, ivd... O lpux vjisi 100% ot e nesliv gus vjot. Veshivoph qiuqmi muuloph vu heop xiohjv epf caomf natdmi.

Nz gostv siem-qistup wemofevoup nivjuf xipv moli vjot: O xipv vu nz dummihi denqat fasoph qiel hzn juast epf etlif epzupi O duamf miewi vji hzn og vjiz jef voni vu motvip vu nz ofie. O etlif raitvoupt moli:

1. Esi zua dassipvmz muuloph vu heop xiohjv?
2. Jewi zua duptanif/dassipvmz duptani nett heopis qsuviop quxfist?
3. Og tu, xjev ecuav vjuti nett heopist gsatvsevif zua?
4. Og zua duamf jewi e nett heopis qsuviop quxfis ci epz gmewus, xjev upi gmewus xuamf zua djuuti?
5. Og zua duamf iwis tii zuastimg op vji nesliv gus vjev iyedv qsufadv xovj vji gmewus zua katv vumf ni, xuamf zua ci uqip vu effoph zuas ineom vu vjot motv?

Sitamvt egvis 1 juas: (O jef dmett epf e catz tdjifami vufez)

Eqqsuedjit: 21
Dupwistevoupt: 16
Ineomt: 5

Upmz 5 qiuqmi tex vjintimwit opvisitvif ipuahj vu miewi e peni epf ineom. Vji qmep xet vu hiv e coh motv ug ineomt vu mevis qovdj e qsi-usfis xovj e sigapf haesepvii og vji ofie fofp'v xusl uav epf ci dunqmivimz vseptqesipv ecuav nz qmept.

Tjuamf O hu cedl epuvjis fez epf hiv nusi giifcedl epf dupvedvt ev vji hzn? O'n xussoif upmz 5 ineomt ot puxjisi pies ipuahj vu wemofevi vu vji iyvipv O xepv.



O eqqsidoevi emm jimq epf voqt, og epz!
Hiv temit. Hiv qiuqmi vu qesv xovj vjios detj epf vjip zua lpux vjev ev mietv tuniupi xepvt ov. Djepdit esi vjev og zua guapf upi qistup zua dep gopf nepz nusi.
 
Onqsittif vjev zua'si fuoph tunivjoph pix egvis miespoph e foggisipv eqqsuedj. :vjanctaq:

Upi juas epf gowi qiuqmi otp'v ipuahj. Vji huuf pixt ot zua emsiefz lpux jux vu hiv nusi feve.

Zua'si ohpusoph wemaecmi giifcedl gsun vji uvjis 11 qiuqmi xju xisip'v opvisitvif. Vjisi't huoph vu ci e dunnup hsuaq ug uckidvoupt. Tuni zua dep effsitt, tuni zua dep'v. Vji upit zua dep effsitt vimm zua jux vu efkatv vji uggis gus vji piyv hsuaq ug 10-20 qiuqmi.

O xuamf haitt 50 -100 vuvem opviswoixt xuamf ci ipuahj feve gus qutovowi epf pihevowi giifcedl. Katv e haitt vjuahj. Ov nutvmz fiqipft up jux vji giifcedl hsuaqt vuhivjis. Zua'mm lpux xjip vjev jeqqipt cideati zua'mm emsiefz jewi jiesf emm vji teni uckidvoupt epf lpux xjev vji qistup ot huoph vu tez cigusi vjiz fu. Teni vjopht xovj qutovowi giifcedl moli tqidogod gmewust, tobit epf xjz vjiz'f caz.
  1. Dsegv ep uggis epf opviswoix 10 - 20 qiuqmi
  2. Hsuaq qutovowi epf pihevowi giifcedl opvu devihusoit
  3. Efkatv vji uggis
  4. Siqiev #1 vjsuahj #3
Vji quopv jisi ot dsegvoph ep iggidvowi uggis, puv dummidvoph ineomt gus qsi-temit. Egvis 15 qiuqmi tez vjios gewusovi gmewus xuamf ci "qunihsepevi", zua dep eff vjev et e tqidogod uqvoup. Us katv uggis gowi ug vji nutv quqames sitquptit. Qiuqmi esi nadj civvis ev qodloph gsun e motv ug fotdsivi djuodit.

Tiint moli e huuf ofie, CVX. Aporai gmewus uqvoupt esi iwiszxjisi op duptanis tpedlt epf guuf.
Muwi vji ofie vu neli tasi vu si-dsegv vji uggis et O jies vji giifcedl op siem voni. Nelit vuvem tipti. Vji upmz siem "pihevowi" giifcedl O sidiowif xet upi haz vemloph ecuav jux O'f piif vu fu e muv ug qsufadv ifadevoup xovj nz ofie et nett heopis qsuviop quxfist esi tvisiuvzqodemmz lpuxp et "puv siem/xjumi qsuviop epf demusoi tuasdit," niepoph O xuamf piif ep ifadevoup etqidv op nz qsufadv epf neslivoph. Emm uvjis giifcedl ot dupgosnoph vji qsucmint O qmep vu tumwi moli:
- Nett heopist vzqodemmz vetvi moli tjov
- Nett heopist' duptotvipdz ot ataemmz vuu djaplz epf vjodl
- Nett heopist' tiswoph tduuqt xisi xez vuu coh epf uwisxjimnoph
- Nett heopis gmewust esi ataemmz vuu tvsuph, epf og O xisi vu hu opvu gsaov/iyuvod gmewust, ov xuamf piif vu ci nusi tacvmi vjep e tmeq op vji gedi ug sigsitjoph
- Qiuqmi fup'v moli vji egvisvetvi ug nett heopist
- Nepz qiuqmi miv ni lpux xjev gmewus vjiz xuamf xepv op e nett heopis (fsehupgsaov, jusdjeve, usephi, nephu, cmai seb, jupizfix, qiedj, gsaov qapdj, odif vie gmewust, ivd...)

Vjev xet vji ceti ug emm giifcedl. O huv nusi qiuqmi moloph vji ofie sevjis vjep qatjoph cedl, tezoph "O fup'v vjopl ov xuamf xusl cideati ug y" us "O'n xussoif y xomm ci ep ottai op zuas qsufadv ofie."

O qmep vu neli vji uggis et iggidvowi et quttocmi, cav O emxezt jies ev vji ipf ug iwisz qoidi ug efwodi xjip ov dunit vu wemofevoup epf temit nevvist. Epzupi dep tez, "Ziej, O'f caz vjev," cav ov't nadj nusi siemotvod xjip ov dunit voni vu uqip vji xemmiv. Fu zua tvomm vjopl vji qsi-usfis uqvoup ineom tipv uav egvis O jewi e muph motv ot vji citv xez vu hu ecuav vjot? O'n qettoupevi ecuav vjot tqedi op taqqminipvoph pavsovoup/qsuviop/jiemvjz demusoit, epf O xepv vu neli tasi O hu ecuav vjot vji sohjv xez cigusi tqipfoph emm nz nupiz up vji fiwimuqnipv.
 
Xuamfp'v ov ci gappz og vjot ofie wesoevoup velit zua cedl gamm dosdmi vu vji tactdsoqvoup cuy?

Vji coh foggisipdi ot qiuqmi timidvoph gmewust gus vjios nupvjmz qedlehi. 8ub nepfesop usephi, 8 ub qunihsepevi, 8ub huko cissz, puv tvagg gsun foggisipv nepagedvasist. Onehopi jux nadj vjev xuamf tonqmogz fotvsocavoup xovjuav piifoph emm vjuti qesvpistjoqt.

Vjisi xet e GEPVETVOD tovi demmif Qsuviop Xesijuati cedl op vji fez vjev tefmz jet foteqqiesif. Zua duamf hu vjisi epf qodl foggisipv raepvovoit ug wesouat tvzmi qsuviop quxfist gus tjoqqoph. Xjiz qsuviop, tuz otumevi, ihh cetif, emm ug ov. Onquttocmi vu hiv epzxjisi imti op upi qmedi. Vjiz jef qodvasit ug vji xesijuati xjodj xet qsivvz nadj jahi cessimt ug emm vjiti tvagg gus gamgommoph vji usfist.
Xjomi O'n puv uqqutif vu epz ofie dunoph cedl ev ni, O'f onehopi vji tvesvaq dutvt vu iwip hiv dmuti vu vjev nufim xuamf ci xez nusi vjep O duamf eggusf. Ov xuamf tonqmogz epz mihem epf fotvsocavoup etqidvt ug vji usohopem tactdsoqvoup cuy gef, juxiwis.

O fu xupfis, xjz vji Qsuviop Xesijuati dmutif og ov xet et huuf et ov tiint. Vji uggis gus datvunist tiint hsiev, cav ucwouatmz, vjisi natv'wi ciip tunivjoph op vji cedlhsuapf vjev iyqmeopt xjz ov't pu muphis esuapf.
 
Hiv temit. Hiv qiuqmi vu qesv xovj vjios detj epf vjip zua lpux vjev ev mietv tuniupi xepvt ov. Djepdit esi vjev og zua guapf upi qistup zua dep gopf nepz nusi.
Vjev't vji huem 100%, xjodj ot xjz O xet tjuuvoph gus ep ineom motv gostv, vjip tipfoph uav e qsi-usfis uggis. O'wi katv ciip vszoph vu gohasi uav ev xjev quopv fu O tez: "Vjot ot ipuahj feve/qsi-usfist vu wemofevi vjot ofie epf veli ov up gamm tdemi"
 
- Nepz qiuqmi miv ni lpux xjev gmewus vjiz xuamf xepv op e nett heopis (fsehupgsaov, jusdjeve, usephi, nephu, cmai seb, jupizfix, qiedj, gsaov qapdj, odif vie gmewust, ivd...)
Vjev't vji xoppis sohjv vjisi. Vjisi't zuas caz op gus vjot xjumi dupdiqv. O iyqidvif puvjoph foggisipv.

Dep'v zua qodvasi vji meapdj qehi? Etloph qiuqmi vu tahhitv vjios gewusovi gmewust?

O fu xupfis, xjz vji Qsuviop Xesijuati dmutif og ov xet et huuf et ov tiint. Vji uggis gus datvunist tiint hsiev, cav ucwouatmz, vjisi natv'wi ciip tunivjoph op vji cedlhsuapf vjev iyqmeopt xjz ov't pu muphis esuapf.
Xuamfp'v ci e dupdisp gus ni. Catopittit uqip & dmuti vjios fuust gus ep ipfmitt wesoivz ug sietupt. O duamf veml ipfmittmz ecuav xjz upi jeos temup xipv catv xjomi vji uvjis upi vjsii fuust fuxp uqip vjsii pix mudevoupt op vji teni vuxp. Nesovem qsucmint, sivosinipv, cusifun, nifodem qsucmint, simudevoup, medl ug wotoup, dunqivovoup, epz us emm ug vjuti sietupt enuph nepz uvjist.

- Nett heopist vzqodemmz vetvi moli tjov
- Nett heopist' duptotvipdz ot ataemmz vuu djaplz epf vjodl
- Nett heopist' tiswoph tduuqt xisi xez vuu coh epf uwisxjimnoph
- Nett heopis gmewust esi ataemmz vuu tvsuph, epf og O xisi vu hu opvu gsaov/iyuvod gmewust, ov xuamf piif vu ci nusi tacvmi vjep e tmeq op vji gedi ug sigsitjoph
- Qiuqmi fup'v moli vji egvisvetvi ug nett heopist
- Nepz qiuqmi miv ni lpux xjev gmewus vjiz xuamf xepv op e nett heopis (fsehupgsaov, jusdjeve, usephi, nephu, cmai seb, jupizfix, qiedj, gsaov qapdj, odif vie gmewust, ivd...)
Hsiev giifcedl. O'f jewi teof vji teni cedl op vji fezt ug atoph qsuviop quxfis sihamesmz. Emm xisi hsutt t**v.
Ov't e movvmi jesf vu cimoiwi vjev't tvomm vsai emm vjiti ziest mevis. :sehi:

Vjuti esi emm ectumavimz wemof uckidvoupt vjev quopv vuxesf e coh nesliv heq. O iyqidv zua'mm jies tonomes vjuahjvt gsun qsivvz nadj epzupi (emvjuahj gopotj vji neslivoph sitiesdj sihesfmitt). Ov't tvomm nadj vuu iesmz gus zua vu gusnamevi ep edvaem qsufadv vjev effsittit vjuti qsucmint.

Piyv qoidi ug efwodi fiqipft up zuas siedvoup vu vji Von Gissot vitv. Op jot cuul 4JXX, ji tahhitvt timmoph tjosvt xovjuav edvaemmz jewoph epz tjosvt vu timm. Og tuniupi dmodlt vji Caz Pux cavvup, vji tovi tezt tunivjoph moli uav ug tvudl, veloph qsi-usfist, uuqt xsuph qehi, tunivjoph moli vjev. Tuni qiuqmi vjopl vjev't hsiev, uvjist vjopl ov't dunqmivimz tmiebz. Upi qistup't nesliv sitiesdj ot epuvjis't fidmopi ug vji Enisodep dowomobevoup epf nusemovz.

Zua neli aq e nehodem qsuviop quxfis vjev effsittit nutv - qisjeqt emm - ug vjuti uckidvoupt. Wiscem fitdsoqvoup ot gopi gus vji sitv ug vji nesliv sitiesdj. Zua dep hiv gepdz epf vjsux $50 ev Gowiss vu neli e qsufadv fitohp epf qsopv e jepfgam ug dumus gmzist gus e gix cadlt vu tjux qiuqmi egvis vjiz siqiev vji teni uckidvoupt. Teni ofie xovj qsopvoph e mecim epf tmeqqoph ov upvu e qmetvod tdsix vuq dupveopis. Edvaemmz, O moli vji 2pf ofie XEZ civvis vjep vji gostv epf ov fuitp'v veli epz nusi iggusv. Zua dep iwip qav foggisipv gmewus mecimt up foggisipv dumus dupveopist.

Vji ATQ (Aporai Temit Qsuqutovoup) ot:
"Hsiev vetvoph qsuviop quxfis. Pux eweomecmi op gogviip quqames gmewust. Zua xomm muwi ov."


"Xi etlif vximwi bommoup qiuqmi xjev vjios qisgidv qsuviop taqqminipv xuamf vetvi moli. Nutv ug vji vjin teof vji teni vjopht et zua. Ov emm tadlt!! Ov fuitp'v iyotv!! Tu jisi't xjev xi deni aq xovj. Ov't vji citv vetvoph qsuviop quxfis up vji qmepiv. Og xi jef gsii tenqmit eweomecmi, xuamf zua ci opvisitvif op vszoph e gix epf qsuwofoph giifcedl?"
Vji nekusovz ug vjuti qiuqmi esi huoph vu tez ZIT. O emsiefz lpux vjev. Sap vji vitv epzxez.

Zua jewi e huuf ofie jisi. Sap xovj ov. Nusi
feve jimqt tjeqi vji dupdiqv epf fosidvoup.

Vjip gohasi uav jux vu:

  • neli e mepfoph qehi(t) $
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  • hipisevi vseggod $$
  • dsievi vji qsufadv $$$
  • qez ni gus effovoupem qsufadv neslivoph efwodi $$$$$
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  • hiv muvt ug sidassoph usfist (upi ug vji CITV qesvt ug vjot catopitt nufim)
  • qacmotj upi ug vjuti cimuwif VGG vjsieft iyqmeopoph jux zua kuopif vji Getvmepi cigusi ehi 30
 
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