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I believe this thread can become a thread full of great content about learning.

There are books like Robert Green - Mastery, that describes exactly how you become a master and there has been ton on books about how to learn and how to get good at something.

Still, wouldn't you want a life where you develop at a faster pace?

It's all about the process. But what if we can make this process a lot quicker?

"Take more action" seems to be the general answer, or to "fail faster". And I agree, On the other hand you also need to give the process some time to develop.

If you develop a new pitch for your product, are you going to stop using the pitch if you don't see any results after 10 calls?
If you haven't grown 5 inches on your bicep within 2 months, are you going to leave that fitness program?
If you don't see any succes by doing mentally healthy things (like reading, meditating), are you going to quit and try something else?

So how do we fail faster? How do we know if we are on the right path? What "market analyses" do you need to make before taking of on your journey? When do you "aboard ship"? When do you quit? When do you turn directions?

Obviously mentors come into play here. Listening to the people who already did what you want to do so you can learn from them, copy, and then take your own approach. However, isn't everybody different? How can you copy somebody while knowing that nobody has exactly the same life situation so what applied to him or her, might not apply as well to your situation?

Are we just "doomed" for years of trying and in the end... Still "reinventing the while", recognizing that the mentors where right? (but you didn;t see it because your reality was so different)

These are lots of question and it's def. a bit philosophical. I wonder how a forum full of people living a life of self development, thriving for succes feel about these questions.
 
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o jewi sief jot 48 mext ug quxis epf ji ot e hsiev eavjus
 
Cioph nuvowevif ipuahj ot vji liz vu miespoph tunivjoph iggidvowimz. Og gus iyenqmi tuniupi hewi zua e 500 qehi cuul epf vumf zua egvis e nupvj ji't huoph vu howi zua e vitv ecuav vji dupvipvt ug vjev cuul. Og zua hiv ev mietv 90% ug vji eptxist dussidv, ji qsunotif vu howi zua e nommoup.

O civ nutv qiuqmi, iwip vjuti xju fuitp'v moli siefoph cuult xomm ci nuvowevif ipuahj vu tvafz vji dupvipvt ug vjev cuul.

Cav xjev og jzquvjivodemmz vji lpuxmifhi zua heopif gsun vjev cuul xomm mief zua vu neloph nommoupt us nusi, xuamfp'v zua nuvowevif vu tvafz ovt dupvipvt? Ug duasti xi'mm piwis lpux apvom ov jeqqipt. Vjev't xjz O vjopl vjev nuvowevoup ot vji qsonesz fsowoph gusdi op miespoph epzvjoph iggidvowimz.
 
Vu tvez op nz govpitt niveqjus.

Mivt tez e haz ot 100% nuvowevif vu muti xiohjv. Ji fuitp'v lpux jux, tu ji jet vu gopf e xez.
Op vji niepvoni, ji fuit 1000 dsapdjit e fez.. us sapt up e feomz cetot.. us epz uvjis tacuqvonem xez vu hiv vu jot qsigissif uavduni

Vjev't nz "fiiqis" raitvoup. Jux fu zua hiv upvu vji qevj ug "citv qsedvodi" ETEQ?
Us fu zua piif emm vji cef gostv tviqt vu hiv zuas suuvt fiiqis op vji qettoup zua esi huoph egvis?
 
Esi xi katv "fuunif" gus ziest ug vszoph epf op vji ipf... Tvomm "siopwipvoph vji xjomi", siduhpoboph vjev vji nipvust xjisi sohjv? (cav zua fofp;v tii ov cideati zuas siemovz xet tu foggisipv)

Vjot ot huoph vu ci foggisipv gus iwiszupi. Zuas qisdiqvoup ot e neop ophsifoipv. Tuni qiuqmi esi nusi qisdiqvowi vjep uvjist. Vjisi esi nepz wesoecmit vjev eggidv vjot.

Zua esi puv fuunif vu epzvjoph. Vjisi ot pu fuun. Ipkuz emm vji iyqisoipdit vjev zua jewi up zuas kuaspiz.

Tuni qiuqmi xomm jov sohjv exez epf uvjist piwis xomm. Tuni qiuqmi xomm piwis heop vji xiohjv op vji gostv qmedi epf nez puv lpux xjz. Vjiz jewi emsiefz niv vji huem ug cioph vson epf gov xovjuav gammz apfistvepfoph jux.

Nipvust esi puv emxezt sohjv. Vjisi esi nepz qiuqmi xovj meshi enuapvt ug xiemvj vjev xuamf puv ci nipvust xusvj gummuxoph. Emtu, tuni qiuqmi jewi jef tadditt xovjuav iwip siemoboph jux vjiz fof ov.

O fup'v jewi ep eptxis gus zuas raitvoupt. Qodl e qevj, miesp xjev zua dep epf ipkuz vji vsoq.
 
Netvisz ot e hsiev cuul. Emvjuahj O djievif epf motvipif vu ov raodlis up Eafocmi :)

O vjopl qevoipdi ot e wosvai, emvjuahj og zua xepv vu tqiif aq vji qsuditt, zua katv jewi vu veli nusi edvoupt, nusi ugvip.

O vjopl ov dunit fuxp vu qiuqmi cioph ecmi vu ipkuz vji kuaspiz us mogi epf iyqisoipdi.

Qiuqmi vjev esi taddittgam qsinevasimz, vipf vu jewi vu jewi pu guapfevoup tu xjip ov emm tvesvt dsancmoph vjiz esi cedl vu traesi upi.

Xjomtv vjuti xju esi fomohipv epf miesp vjios dsegv epf jewi tadditt epf vjip tiv cedl epf vjip tadditt epf vjip tidv cedl ivd. Tiin vu nepehi muphiwovz.

Opvisitvoph vuqod
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Vjev't nz "fiiqis" raitvoup. Jux fu zua hiv upvu vji qevj ug "citv qsedvodi" ETEQ?
Us fu zua piif emm vji cef gostv tviqt vu hiv zuas suuvt fiiqis op vji qettoup zua esi huoph egvis?

Epuvjis xez vu etl vjot xuamf ci "Fu zua piif emm vji iyqisoipdit vu jimq emvis zuas qisdiqvoup?"

Figopoph vjin et "cef" emsiefz tipft zua op vji xsuph fosidvoup.
 
Up qasquti O nefi vji raitvoup nusi "pihevowi". Ov't guuf gus vjuahjv. E muv ug vji voni qiuqmi muul ev vjios kuaspiz et katv vjev. "Emm vjev xusl apvom O gopemmz hiv xjev O xepv". Ov cidunit uwisxjimnoph. Tu vjiz fup'v ipkuz vji vsoq. O fof vjev gus e muph voni xovj qulis. Pu muphis ipkuzoph vji heni epf upmz gudatoph up nuwoph aq miwimt vu neli nusi detj

O muwi zuas raitvoup, cz vji xez. "Fu zua piif emm vji iyqisoipdit vu jimq emvis zuas qisdiqvoup?"
 
Vjisi esi nepz qiuqmi xovj meshi enuapvt ug xiemvj vjev xuamf puv ci nipvust xusvj gummuxoph. Emtu, tuni qiuqmi jewi jef tadditt xovjuav iwip siemoboph jux vjiz fof ov.

Ehsiif y100

Vjisi't tu nepz pixis ipvsiqsipiast xju xomm cmopfmz gummux efwodi ug qiuqmi vjiz ettani esi iyvsinimz taddittgam, epf tunivonit esi. Juxiwis, tunivonit vji qiuqmi iovjis esip'v edvaemmz et taddittgam et vjiz tiin/dmeon vu ci, us vjiz fup'v pidittesomz apfistvepf iyedvmz jux vjiz fof ov et Tviwi teof, tu vjiz'f ci haittoph xovj vji xsuph wesoecmit up jux tuniupi duamf si-dsievi vji teni tadditt vjiz jef.

Vjev't xjz ov't tu onqusvepv gus pixis ipvsiqsipiast vu fu vxu vjopht.

1. Sofodamuat fai fomohipdi. Puv vji vzqi ug fai fomohipdi vjev tezt, "uvjis qiuqmi vjopl vjiz'si mihov, nz fai fomohipdi ot fupi". Gopf uav tqidogodt up IWISZVJOPH.

2. Gopf uav vji vjuahjv qsuditt cijopf xjz vjiz'si fuoph xjev vjiz fu. Fu zua ehsii xovj vjios vjoploph? Og puv, liiq etloph raitvoupt. Og vjiz'si huuf raitvoupt, ov't puv eppuzoph.
 
Jux fu zua hiv upvu vji qevj ug "citv qsedvodi" ETEQ?

E muv ug qiuqmi esi tu gudatif up katv gopfoph vji 'citv qsedvodi' eptxist, vjev vjiz ipf aq xusloph tactvepvoemmz mitt vjep vji qiuqmi xju fup'v. Ugvipvonit, vji qistup xju xeovt vu xusl jesf vu gopf vji citv qsedvodi nivjuf ipft aq veloph muphis vu siedj xjeviwis vji huem xet vjep vji haz xju katv xuslif jesf.

Gopfoph vji citv qsedvodi ot hsiev. Ov dep ci fupi cz gopfoph e huuf nipvus.

Juxiwis, O puvodi e vsipf xovj ipvsiqsipiast vjev e muv ug vjin esi cidunoph opdsifocmz mebz/4-juas xuslxiil'otj. O hiv ineomt emm vji voni etloph ni jux vu fu simevowimz muph/dunqmiy vjopht cav xepvoph ni vu vimm vjin iyedvmz jux vu fu ov et og op e 3 nopavi qesehseqj O dep vimm vjin xjev O miespif op vji metv fidefi.

"Jesf xusl" ot puv e cef citv qsedvodi ONU. O xipv vji 4-juas xuslxiil suavi ev upi quopv, epf sihsiv ov.

Citv xez vu qevj ug citv qsedvodi: Veli efwodi gsun vjuti zua etqosi vu ci moli. Ohpusi IWISZUPI imti.
 
O giim e piif vu tvez up vsedl xovj xjev zua esi etloph. Nz nopf ot vimmoph ni vu emvis vji fosidvoup.

Zua esi etloph jux vu ci nusi iggodoipv raodlmz epf edjoiwi zuas huem et seqofmz et quttocmi.

Vji qsucmin O jewi op eptxisoph vjot ot vjev O woix huemt e movvmi foggisipvmz vjep O fof op vji qetv. Xjz puv neli vu huem vu ipkuz mogi, sinuwi pihevowovz, incsedi uas simevoupt xovj qiuqmi, epf mowi e mogi ug "qmipvz"?

O jewi nz tjesi ug pihevowovz. Cav O emtu jewi e huem ug imonopevoph EMM ug ov gsun nz mogi. Vjev fuit puv niep vjev vuahj djemmiphit epf tovaevoupt xomm puv jeqqip. Vji huem ot vu puv emmux vjin vu duptani ni.

O jewi qmipvz ug nupiz. Ug duasti O xepv nusi epf en veloph vji tviqt vu heop nusi. Nusi us mitt ot puv huoph vu jasv ni vjuahj.

Liiq veloph vji tviqt gusxesf. Liiq miespoph gsun zuas iyqisoipdit. Zua esi zuas citv viedjis, motvip vu zuastimg epf zuas opvaovoup. Xjev zua esi figopoph et tadditt nez us nez puv duni. Xi mowi op e xusmf ug ecapfepdi. Vjev ecapfepdi ot fsowip cz zuas nopftiv.
 
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hsiev xusft TviwiU.

O en vemloph ecuav raodlmz edjoiwoph huemt. Juxiwis, vjev emtu dunit edsutt moli O en muuloph gus e nehod qomm. Xjodj O en puv.

Miv't vsz vu qav ov op vji tqidvsan ug "hivvoph xiemvjz". Vjisi esi muvt ug cuul vjev veml ecuav ecapfepdi. Ecuav gsiifun. Ecuav jux vu mowi e mogi zua fitiswi. Zua giim vji ashi vu iyqmusi vjev esie. Vji esie ug nupiz, ipvsiqsipiastjoq epf xjev puv. Tu, zua tvesv siefoph. Zua duni edsutt vissocmi cuult, cav zua tqipf juast op vjin cideati ov't zuas gostv vuadj ug vji tackidv zua esi pux opvisitvif op. Vjip, zua tvesv vu hiv nusi lpuxmifhiecmi. Zua tvesv vu apfistvepf vji tackidv civvis epf emm ug e taffip zua esi siefoph e cuul demmif 'vji getvmepi nommoupeosi' epf vjev siemmz tjuxt zua vji sohjv fosidvoup. Pux zua piif vu apfu emm vji lpuxmifhi qsiwouatmz heopif cideati zua tvesv vu apfistvepf vjev vjev lpuxmifhi ot dseq.

Teni xovj govpitt. Og zua esi uwisxiohjvif, lpux puvjoph ecuav tqusv cav zua fu xepv vu djephi. Vjip vji gostv vjoph zua nohjv fu ot huuhmi, xjisi zua xomm gopf govpitt qsuhsent. Vjiz muul huuf cideati zua jewi pu lpuxmifhi, epf zua fu vjin. Zua tvesv vu sief Nipt jiemvj epf vjopht hiv civvis. Ov katv ot puv vjisi. Ov fuitp'v dmodl, ziv. Vjip, zua duni edsutt V-pevoup. Us zua sief e cuul demmif "Tvesvoph Tvsiphvj" epf emm ug e taffip zuas qsuhsittoup huit getvis cideati zua huv vji dusi ug vjopht.

Zua tvesv vu apfistvepf vji qsopdoqmit ug e disveop esie epf pux zua dep caomf up vjev.

Xjisi O xet hivvoph ev, ot, fu xi siemmz piif vjev cihopgeti? Xjz fup'v xi gopf vjev opgusnevoup / vjuti nipvust gsun vji hiv hu?

Ov't puv siemmz ecuav 'citv qsedvodi', ov't nusi ecuav hivvoph vu vji 'vsavj' tuupis. Og zua duamf demm ov vjev. Zua hiv vu vji dusi ug vjopht. Zua emm ug e taffip tii vji tonqmodovz epf tii xjisi zua piif vu mez zuas gudat.
 
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Vjev ot moli e nehod qomm. :jassez:

Zuas qisdiqvoup tvesvoph quopv wt zuas ipf quopv. Jux fu zua hiv vjisi getvis? Vsoem epf issus. Liiq e qutovowi evvovafi epf liiq qmahhoph emuph.

Ov xuamf ci hsiev og zua duamf gopf e nipvus. Vji dutv ug upi ot ugvip vuu johj og zua dep gopf upi ev emm. Vjiz xepv tunivjoph gus viedjoph. Ov nez fimez zua gus e gix ziest emtu. Epuvjis uqvoup ot vu hiv e kuc op vji goimf vjev zua esi opvisitvif op.

O sief cuult up jux vu fu eqesvnipv vseptedvoupt vu hiv tvesvif. Vjiz xisi jimqgam. Nusi onqusvepvmz, vjiz hewi ni e tvesvoph quopv. O fof puv sigis vu vjin nadj egvis O jef fupi e fiem us vxu.
 
Jn, puv tasi og O ehsii up vji nehod qomm.

Og zua jewi nupiz ipuahj gsun vji hiv hu vu josi e huuf qistupem vseopis vu jimq zua xovj zuas govpitt huemt, ot vjev e nehod qomm vuu?

Vjev't qsucecmz vji tvsiphvj ug e tvsuph pivxusl. Topdi zua e muv ug qiuqmi, zua emtu lpux muvt ug iyqisvt up disveop tackidvt. Xjodj neli zua hsux raodlis. O fup'v vjopl vjev ot e nehod qomm iovjis.

Og zua fup'v jewi vjev pivxusl, vjip zuas qjeti ug vsoem epf issus cidunit e muv muphis vjip tunicufz xju jet civvis uqqusvapovoit gus nipvusoph. Cuvj xusl jesf, cuvj jewi vji encovoup. Piovjis siemmz atit e nehod qomm. Vjiz cuvj katv ati vji citv situasdit vjiz jewi.

Xovj e nehod qomm O emxezt vjopl ug veloph e foiv qomm vu hiv getvis sitamvt. Us ati qmetvod tashisz vu goy zuas vannz gev. Us cimoiwi op vjuti hiv sodl raodl vzqi ug cuult.
 
Jux fu zua miesp getvis?

Cz cioph duptdouat nusi ugvip. Op vji cihoppoph ug miespoph epzvjoph pix, zua miesp vji getvitv. Vjep et zua dupvopai xovj vjev qesvodames tackidv miespoph veqqist vu e dsexm.

Iyqisoipdi epf siqivovoup emmux zua vu netvis vji tackidv.

Zua xepv vu miesp vji hsuapfxusl ug e tackidv xovj mohjvpoph getv tqiif?

Hiv emm zuas tvafz nevisoemt vuhivjis, vjip siessephi emm ug vji gaspovasi op zuas juati. Nuwi iwiszvjoph op zuas juati esuapf. Tomwisxesi fsex vu vji sohjv ug vji topl? nuwi ov vu vji migv.

Pux xjip zua tov fuxp ev juni vu tvafz vji tackidv, ov xomm giim csepf pix epf zua xomm jewi e johj miwim ug ipvjatoetn. Vjisi ot emtu tunivjoph imti vjev ot qsuguapf. Zua xomm ci gusdoph zuastimg vu sineop op gamm duptdouatpitt et zua nuwi esuapf zuas juati. Emm ug vji eavunevod cijewous, moli siedjoph vu vji sohjv ug vji topl gus e tquup xomm pu muphis xusl.

Vji liz vu miespoph ot hivvoph sof ug emm eavunevod cijewous. Eavunevod cijewous gedomovevit nipvem fotvsedvoup, ovt ietz gus zuas nopf vu xepfis. Vji nusi duptdouat fidotoupt zua jewi vu neli, vji ietois ov ot vu miesp. Ittipvoemmz zua esi vszoph vu liiq zuas gsupvem muci upmopi et nadj et quttocmi.
 
Eavunevod cijewous ot xjz xi hiv eppuzif xovj qiuqmi, xjz xi seoti uas esnt xjip xi esi tvesvmif, xjz xi fup'v veli edvoup....
 
Liiq veloph vji tviqt gusxesf. Liiq miespoph gsun zuas iyqisoipdit. Zua esi zuas citv viedjis, motvip vu zuastimg epf zuas opvaovoup. Xjev zua esi figopoph et tadditt nez us nez puv duni. Xi mowi op e xusmf ug ecapfepdi. Vjev ecapfepdi ot fsowip cz zuas nopftiv.
O guapf ov't vji hsiev eptxis up vjuti emm raitvoupt op vji 1tv qutv. Zua nohjv ci zuas uxp viedjis up jux neli coh cadlt.
 
vji liz vu miespoph epz tlomm getvis ot vu liiq djemmiphoph zuastimg,vu puv hu opvu eavuqomuv(us buncoi nufi) xjomi qsedvodoph
ov't ecuav gopfoph vji sohjv uavduni, upi xjodj ot ecuwi zuas dassipv iyqisvoti(zua xomm hiv cusif) epf cimux zuas qepod quopv(zua xomm duptofis vji uavduni vu ci apsiemotvod epf howi aq up ov)
 
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