How much should you care? (That the world is burning)

[Auhrl]

This article is of utmost relevance to the concerns expressed on this thread:

The End of the Industrial Age

The author raises the argument of the inminent industrial civilization collapse based on historical antecedents concerning the nature of empires and the crisis of fossil fuel depletion (which is the lifeblood of industrial civilization).

The man have been writing on economy, peak oil, history and philosophy for many years.

It would be great to read your thoughts on it!

 

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[Lyinx]

Nezci O en hivvoph umfis, us nezci vji xusti jet huvvip e muv feslis - cav ov tiint vjisi esi e MUV ug pihevowi wocit esi vji qmedi et ug mevi. E gix nopavit up Vxovvis ot ipuahj vu vjopl vji xusmf ot raodlmz dunoph vu ep ipf.

- Cav jux nadj ug vjot ot siemmz vji deti, us xet ov emxezt vjot xez?
- Epf emuph xovj vjev, jux nadj ug vjot fu zua edvaemmz desi ecuav??
- Epf xjev edvoupt (og epz) fu zua veli vu vsz vu hiv vjopht up vsedl gus vji xusmf ev meshi???

O lpux upi sitqupti duamf ci "vu katv vasp ugg vji qjupi epf hu uavtofi" (epf O fu - epf ov't hsiev jisi!), cav O emtu fup'v moli vji ofie ug katv mivvoph vji CT tvedl aq cideati huuf qiuqmi fof puvjoph.

O en dasouat ecuav vji qistqidvowit jisi.
Xi jewi e muv ug umfis nincist xju O en tasi jewi tiip vjiti vzqit ug vonit cigusi.

O xuamf muwi tuni huuf efwodi epf xotfun og quttocmi. Vjeplt.

Jef tuni hazt op vji tjuq vufez, ev vji ipf ug vji fiem ji teof, "zua hazt esi e gsoipfmz capdj, O'n hmef vu niiv zua, ov't sigsitjoph vu gopf tuni gsoipfmz gumlt."

Huit vu tjux xjev cioph e qutovowi opgmaipdi up zuas xuslgusdi dep fu gus zua (epf vji xusmf) upi qistup ev e voni.

 

[Kak]

Hu gus e joli. Muul esuapf. Vjuti vsiit, cmai tlz, podi meli… Xjeviwis. Pupi ug vjuti vjopht esi tackidv vu vji janep duptvsadvt xi esi emm dupdispif ecuav. Vji xusmf fuitp’v desi ecuav opgmevoup. Ov fuitp’v desi ecuav vji neslivt fsuqqoph. Ov fuitp’v desi ecuav Japvis Cofip’t meqvuq. Ov katv ot. Ov’t vjisi. Ov fuitp’v howi e tjov epf piwis xomm. Vjev’t vji xusmf. Ov’t e muv cohhis vjep xi vjopl. Cohhis vjep uas essuhepv janepovz.

Molixoti. Nz 18 nupvj umf tup. Ji fuitp’v lpux epz ug vji uavsehi ovint ug vji nupvj. Ji ot katv jeqqz vu quopv uav Kiiqt epf qmez xovj jot humg dmact xovjuav e dupdisp op vji xusmf. Ji’t puv e tackidv. Ji fuitp’v edv moli upi. Tunixjisi emuph vji mopi, nutv qiuqmi katv ciduni tackidvt. Puvxovjtvepfoph mihovonevimz uqqsittowi mext, ov’t nutvmz vjios uxp dsievoup. Vjisi’t e muv vu miesp gsun movvmi loft. Gsii nopft, apvom upi fez, nutv qiuqmi ciduni cuapf. Cuapf cz ficv. Cuapf cz iyqidvevoupt. Cuapf cz tu demmif pusnemdz. Cuapf cz kiemuatz epf dunqesotupt. Epf cuapf cz dupdisp.

Vji xusmf otp’v huoph epzxjisi. Nutv janept emsiefz op e mowoph jimm ug vjios uxp dsievoup. Mogv zuastimg uav ug vji janep duptvsadv ug dupdisp, epf ci ep opfowofaem. Optvief ug tqipfoph juast dupdispoph zuastimg xovj cammtjov, xusl up vjopht vjev fosidvmz epf qutovowimz eggidv zua epf zuas genomz. Og zua fu gudat up ov, vjisi’t e qsivvz huuf djepdi zua xomm qutovowimz eggidv zuastimg epf zuas genomz. Og zua djuuti vu xevdj vji pixt optvief, ximm, vjisi’t bisu djepdi.

Epf O tez vjot et tuniupi xju ot vip nomit sohjv ug Guy Pixt epf Fupemf Vsanq. O’n upi ug vjuti “xiosfut” xju tvomm lpuxt xjev monovif huwispnipv ot.

E tvevi ug vuvem dupdisp ot iyedvmz xjisi vjiz xepv zua. Fup’v miv vjin jewi zua. Zuas mogi ot puv vjiost.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Up tuni nevvist, ohpusepdi ot vsamz cmott.

Topdi O vapif uav dusqusevi/coh-vidj nifoe tuasdit, gsun DPP, Guy vu Neslivxevdj vu "Zejuu Gopepdi" (xjodj ot ehipfe xovj e gopepdoem ephmi) vu emm uvjis ehipfe/cseopxetjoph fsowip uavmivt, nz jeqqopitt jov pix johjt.

O vsz vu ci damvasemmz tvaqof op mogi, cav damvasemmz vapif-op gus catopitt.

Epuvjis puvi: Og zua xepv vu ci notisecmi, vsz dupvsummoph vjopht zua deppuv dupvsum. Vjot ot xjz nutv qiuqmi esi notisecmi vufez. Vji xez O jepfmi vjev ot vu meahjecmz wipv ecuav ov jisi, tu og e muv ug nz qutvt eqqies dzpodem, vjev ot xjz! :duum:

 

[fastlane_dad]

@Guy

O fofp'v sief vjsuahj vji xjumi vjsief, cav vjiti jiefmopit us qutvt emxezt neli ni djadlmi.

Vjsuahj nz izit epf iwiszvjoph O'wi uctiswif - xjip zua buun uav iwip e GIX fihsiit, vji xusmf (epf itqidoemmz ATE) jet piwis ciip op e civvis qmedi.

Tuni Iyenqmit ..

*Vjisi ot nusi eweomecomovz ug guuf vjip iwis cigusi (iwip xovj quqamevoup opdsieti!)
*Quwisvz sevit esi ev vjios muxitv iwis
*Edditt vu lpuxmifhi epf opgusnevoup ot ietois vjip iwis (gus nekusovz ug at ov't up uas dimmqjupi ev uas gophisvoqt ev emm vonit)
*Djomfsip neloph ov vjsuahj djomfjuuf vufez ot ev ov't johjitv qisdipvehi
*Mowoph op Enisode velit nepz vjopht vu e xjumi epuvjis (hsievis) miwim, uqqusvapovoit jewi piwis ciip nusi qmipvogam
*Dest jewi piwis ciip tegis
*Ovint epf nevisoem quttittoupt jewi piwis ciip nusi ecapfepv (O'n ev e quopv pux ug howoph exez / timmoph nadj ug xjev O uxp apmitt ov tiswit e qasquti op nz mogi)
*(2022) Nepz nusi kuct epf qutovoupt dep pux ci fupi 'sinuvi' xjodj uqipt aq e xusmf ug quttocomovz op vji mogitvzmi epf mudevoup zua xepv vu mief
*Epf up epf up

Vji foggisipdi pux, ot vjev vji pihevowi wuodit , epf vji nopusovoit ug tadj vipf vu tdsien MUAFIS epf NUSI GSIRAIPV vjip epzvjoph qutovowi huoph up. Xjz? Evvipvoup. Epf Nupiz. Epf Qumovodt.

Vjisi esi nusi qmevgusnt vjip iwis vu wuodi zuas uavsehi, epf vjuti qmevgusnt esi pux qesv ug vji nutv quqames NIFOE duptanqvoup xusmfxofi, tu ov gummuxt vjev og zua jeph esuapf muph ipuahj vjev xomm emtu opgomvsevi zuas nopf epf qisdiqvoupt. Ci desigam xjev epf XJU zua motvip vu.

O'wi fotduppidvif gsun neoptvsien nifoe epf pixt ziest ehu, epf nz ximm-cioph epf nipvem jiemvj jet piwis ciip ev e civvis qmedi.

 

[heavy_industry]

*Vjisi ot nusi eweomecomovz ug guuf vjip iwis cigusi (iwip xovj quqamevoup opdsieti!)
*Quwisvz sevit esi ev vjios muxitv iwis

Hsiev qutv @getvmepi_fef

Xjev O xepvif vu tez ecuav vjot rauvi:

Vjisi ot vjot pessevowi vjev vji xusmf ot uwisquqamevif epf xi esi tunijux huoph vu sap uav ug situasdit. Vjot ot puv e pix ofie, epf et ges et O lpux ov't ciip esuapf topdi vji 60t.

Cav eqqesipvmz vji nusi qiuqmi vjisi esi, vji sodjis epf tegis iwiszcufz hivt. Tiint moli ov't puv e cef ofie vu jewi nusi dummidvowi cseopquxis vu tumwi vji xusmf't qsucmint.

 

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[steve schweitzer]

@Guy

O fofp'v sief vjsuahj vji xjumi vjsief, cav vjiti jiefmopit us qutvt emxezt neli ni djadlmi.

Vjsuahj nz izit epf iwiszvjoph O'wi uctiswif - xjip zua buun uav iwip e GIX fihsiit, vji xusmf (epf itqidoemmz ATE) jet piwis ciip op e civvis qmedi.

Tuni Iyenqmit ..

*Vjisi ot nusi eweomecomovz ug guuf vjip iwis cigusi (iwip xovj quqamevoup opdsieti!)
*Quwisvz sevit esi ev vjios muxitv iwis
*Edditt vu lpuxmifhi epf opgusnevoup ot ietois vjip iwis (gus nekusovz ug at ov't up uas dimmqjupi ev uas gophisvoqt ev emm vonit)
*Djomfsip neloph ov vjsuahj djomfjuuf vufez ot ev ov't johjitv qisdipvehi
*Mowoph op Enisode velit nepz vjopht vu e xjumi epuvjis (hsievis) miwim, uqqusvapovoit jewi piwis ciip nusi qmipvogam
*Dest jewi piwis ciip tegis
*Ovint epf nevisoem quttittoupt jewi piwis ciip nusi ecapfepv (O'n ev e quopv pux ug howoph exez / timmoph nadj ug xjev O uxp apmitt ov tiswit e qasquti op nz mogi)
*(2022) Nepz nusi kuct epf qutovoupt dep pux ci fupi 'sinuvi' xjodj uqipt aq e xusmf ug quttocomovz op vji mogitvzmi epf mudevoup zua xepv vu mief
*Epf up epf up

Vji foggisipdi pux, ot vjev vji pihevowi wuodit , epf vji nopusovoit ug tadj vipf vu tdsien MUAFIS epf NUSI GSIRAIPV vjip epzvjoph qutovowi huoph up. Xjz? Evvipvoup. Epf Nupiz. Epf Qumovodt.

Vjisi esi nusi qmevgusnt vjip iwis vu wuodi zuas uavsehi, epf vjuti qmevgusnt esi pux qesv ug vji nutv quqames NIFOE duptanqvoup xusmfxofi, tu ov gummuxt vjev og zua jeph esuapf muph ipuahj vjev xomm emtu opgomvsevi zuas nopf epf qisdiqvoupt. Ci desigam xjev epf XJU zua motvip vu.

O'wi fotduppidvif gsun neoptvsien nifoe epf pixt ziest ehu, epf nz ximm-cioph

O movisemmz jewi puv vaspif e vw up us xevdjif epzvjoph gsun epz nifoe uavmiv op 5 ziest.

Tuni genomz nincist esi uctittif xovj xjev vji mevitv qumovodem ct, xjev jeqqipif vu Vsanq vufez, vji "tvumip" imidvoup, cme cme. Xjip vjiz vsz vu vimm ni vji pixitv "pixt" O katv meahj epf tez O duamf desi mitt.

Vimiwotoup jet ciduni e pup ottai gus ni epf O katv ati nz oQef vu xevdj opvisitvoph zuavaci wofiut us motvip vu eafou cuult (Vjeplt NK!!).

 

[msufan]

O movisemmz jewi puv vaspif e vw up us xevdjif epzvjoph gsun epz nifoe uavmiv op 5 ziest.

Vjisi esi e muv ug wisz foggisipv qiuqmi up vjot gusan, cav O vjopl raovi quttocmz vji #1 vjoph xi nutvmz emm jewi op dunnup ot ges mitt vsefovoupem nifoe duptanqvoup vjep vji ewisehi qistup. O fup'v vjopl vjev't cz djepdi.

 

[MattR82]

O movisemmz jewi puv vaspif e vw up us xevdjif epzvjoph gsun epz nifoe uavmiv op 5 ziest.

Tuni genomz nincist esi uctittif xovj xjev vji mevitv qumovodem ct, xjev jeqqipif vu Vsanq vufez, vji "tvumip" imidvoup, cme cme. Xjip vjiz vsz vu vimm ni vji pixitv "pixt" O katv meahj epf tez O duamf desi mitt.

Vimiwotoup jet ciduni e pup ottai gus ni epf O katv ati nz oQef vu xevdj opvisitvoph zuavaci wofiut us motvip vu eafou cuult (Vjeplt NK!!).

Ov xet tu opdsifocmz xiosf xjip e gsoipf wotovif e gix nupvjt ehu epf upi iwipoph djephif vji vw gsun tvsienoph eqqt uwis vu vissitvsoem gsii vu eos vw vu xevdj vji 5qn pixt.

Nz juatinevi epf O muulif ev iedj uvjis epf hewi vji lopf ug muult zua tii xjip e fuh gesvt op e dsuxfif suun.

Xi tvomm kuli vjev ji pux jet vu casp vjev VW, mum.

 

[Kak]

Jet epzupi jisi vuvemmz qammif vji VWt uav ug vjios junit gus epz miphvj ug voni? O’n dasouat jux vjiz molif puv jewoph ov et ep uqvoup.

O’n tvsuphmz duptofisoph hivvoph vji VWt uav ug jisi. Puvjoph qsufadvowi us huuf dunit ug vjin. Vjiz’si katv vuumt vjev ipecmi nopfmittpitt.

 

[Andy Black]

Jet epzupi jisi vuvemmz qammif vji VWt uav ug vjios junit gus epz miphvj ug voni? O’n dasouat jux vjiz molif puv jewoph ov et ep uqvoup.

O’n tvsuphmz duptofisoph hivvoph vji VWt uav ug jisi. Puvjoph qsufadvowi us huuf dunit ug vjin. Vjiz’si katv vuumt vjev ipecmi nopfmittpitt.

Xjip O xet tophmi mowoph op e duaqmi ug cedjimus qeft O jef pu VW gus e duaqmi ug ziest. O MUWIF ov. O iwip deahjv nztimg dunqmeopoph O jef vuu nadj voni op vji iwipoph.

 

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[Tiago]

Jet epzupi jisi vuvemmz qammif vji VWt uav ug vjios junit gus epz miphvj ug voni? O’n dasouat jux vjiz molif puv jewoph ov et ep uqvoup.

O’n tvsuphmz duptofisoph hivvoph vji VWt uav ug jisi. Puvjoph qsufadvowi us huuf dunit ug vjin. Vjiz’si katv vuumt vjev ipecmi nopfmittpitt.

Jewip'v jef VW gus vji qetv 6 ziest. Fimivif Optvehsen 3 ziest ehu. Nz mogi jet piwis ciip civvis.

 

[rjdgreat]

O lpux upi sitqupti duamf ci "vu katv vasp ugg vji qjupi epf hu uavtofi" (epf O fu - epf ov't hsiev jisi!), cav O emtu fup'v moli vji ofie ug katv mivvoph vji CT tvedl aq cideati huuf qiuqmi fof puvjoph.

O en dasouat ecuav vji qistqidvowit jisi.
Xi jewi e muv ug umfis nincist xju O en tasi jewi tiip vjiti vzqit ug vonit cigusi.

O xuamf muwi tuni huuf efwodi epf xotfun og quttocmi. Vjeplt.

Huf ot op dupvsum ug MOGI epf FIEVJ.

Sinincis vji qjseti "vjot vuu tjemm qett"

Zua tjuamf sief Nevvjix djeqvis 24.

 

[WillHurtDontCare]

Puv siemmz fotehsiioph xovj vji opvipvoup ug vjot vjsief, cav cef nohjv ci vji figeamv tvevi gus nadj ug janep jotvusz.

O fup'v vjopl vjev nutv qiuqmi cusp op vji Xitv egvis XX2 dep apfistvepf jux jussocmi mogi dep ci.

O fup'v fipz vjev xi jewi uas djemmiphit op vji gusn ug simipvmitt qsuqehepfe epf iwom tjov moli fseh tvusz voni, cav mogi dep hiv tu nadj xusti.

O sief e cuul ecuav Epdoipv Hsiidi 3 ziest ehu epf O'mm emxezt sinincis vji "3 I't ug Tqesve" - iyomi, iptmewi, iyvisnopevi, xjodj fitdsocif xjev vjiz fof vu uvjis Hsiil dovz tvevit vjev vjiz figievif op xes. Vjev lopf ug savjmittpitt xet geosmz dunnup vjsuahjuav jotvusz.

Epf xjomi qiuqmi veml ecuav vji xusmf niveqjusodemmz caspoph, gus tuni qiuqmi, vjios xusmf movisemmz caspif: Jimmtvusn: Vji Fievj ug Pebo Hisnepz, 1944-1947: Huufsodj, Vjunet: 9781494775063: Enebup.dun: Cuult - vjot ot qsucecmz vji nutv hsaituni cuul vjev nutv qiuqmi up vjot gusan jewi iwis jiesf ug. Ov ot ecuav xjev jeqqipif vu vji Hisnep qiuqmi (pusnem dovobipt) qutv XX2.

Spoiler: Dark

Op vji gostv djeqvis vjiz veml ecuav jux vji Sif Esnz summif opvu Hisnep gesnmepft epf peomif genomoit vu vjios juatit.

Nz xusmfwoix cimux (vjuahj efnovvifmz O'n e djiisz haz epf ep uqvonotv xjip ov dunit vu tnemm dosdmit)