How Should I Plan To Get CBUMs Physique? + several questions for you!!!

[PureA]

Maybe Joe was a bad example, perhaps I should have used Rich Pianna, or the guy (whose name I forget) who can't even walk without crutches.

There is no such thing as safe usage by the way, that is a myth that I think if Joe were alive today, he'd help dispel.

Here's a list of 28 bodybuilders who passed away between 2017 and 2020, I'm sure they all felt they were being safe.

Remembering 28 Bodybuilders Who Passed Away (2017-2020) – Fitness Volt

Remembering bodybuilders who passed away (2017-2020). A list of men and women who were involved in bodybuilding/fitness who died due to a variety of causes.

fitnessvolt.com

There is a massive spectrum of anabolic dosages and polypharmacy.

For example with Rich, he was on opiates and amphetamines as well as ridiculous compounds and dosages.

The other example I believe you are referring to is Ronnie Coleman (8 Mr Olympias and decades of drug abuse and destroying his body with training).

As an alternate example, take a look at Jay Cutler, same era, same drug abuse, but did it smart and looked after his body, totally different outcomes.

RE: safe use
A 50-year-old guy taking 150mg/wk TRT will often be 'healthier' than his natural counterpart with 300ng/dl test levels.

Guys on stage, or even at your local gym can use 1000-5000mg/wk of anabolics (the health risk is exponential but the gains are not). These guys are making a terrible tradeoff imo.

Then you have the lower middle ground of 150-250mg/wk, using bioidentical hormones, not much is going to go wrong but mainstream lumps this group in with anabolic abuse.

Drinking semi-regularly would put you at a larger health risk...

It's a completely different ballgame all along the spectrum of dose and drugs but the warnings get lumped into one.

All in all its a complex topic, ha. It ranges from little to no risk to extreme risk depending on compounds and dosages.

 

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[Syed Shah]

Fenp fafi ot kedlff xovj hohepvod mevt . Ciip fuop dmettod keqepiti nesvoem esvt, cakavta gus qsucecmz 6 ziest pux. Ciip xusloph uav gus e fidefi qmat, cav O xet op vji gimupoat denq ug og O xusl uav vjip O dep iev xjeviwis O xepv mum. Tvesvif neyonoboph nz sitamvt egvis onqminipvoph vji qsuqis foiv mum. Liiq aq vji jesfxusl epf O juqi zua hiv zuas DCAN cuf. Fu zua fu epz nesvoem esvt?

O fup'v fu nesvoem esvt. Cav xet taqis liip op ov, cav zua qsucecmz lpux vji fiem op xitvisp duapvsoit ov't nusi desfou vjep apfistvepfoph vji vsai esv; ov't umf, gev apdmit vszpe neli tuni nupiz up vji xiilipft cetodemmz.

 

[Syed Shah]

Hmef zua'si tvesvoph vu apfistvepf.

Vji piyv tviq ot vu dmesogz xjev zua niep cz cioph vji "citv zua" xovjuav vji ati ug e qodvasi.

Xjev fuit cioph vji "citv zua" muul moli vu zua? Fitdsoci ov op xusft, puv onehit.

Ot ov e disveop cufzgev qisdipvehi? Disveop xiohjv? Disveop miwim ug tvsiphvj? Fu zua katv xepv vu jewi ect? Esi zua vszoph vu onqsitt hosmt?

Ci dmies op xjev zuas huem ot jisi. Fup'v tipf ni ep onehi.

Figopi zuas huem op xusft epf nezci O dep howi zua e tipti ug fosidvoup.

Citv Ni:

• mux gev - et O jevi vji sohof tofi epf cimmz gev O jewi - itqidoemmz vji gev O atif vu jewi esuapf vji gedi
• hsiev enuapv ug natdmi esuapf tjuamfist, esnt, miht, demwit, djitv, gusiesnt, ect - qsivvz nadj iwiszxjisi + pidl natdmi gus tasi - vu eqqies coh + vu opdsieti tvsiphvj
• hsiev tvenope - jipdi O'wi ciip txonnoph ev mietv vxodi e xiil
• pu nusi csieluavt up tlop + citv tlop dupfovoup - O lpux O en op vji viip qesv, tu ov't iyqidvif vu jewi csieluavt - cav zua lpux xjev O niep + xovj cuvj txonnoph tittoupt O hu op vji tvien suun gus e vuvem ug 30nopt qis fez (10 nopt op, vjip 3 nopt csiel Y 3) - O fup'v hu op vji teape suun et nadj - cav tjuamf O? Eqqesipvmz tvien suun ot nusi civvis.
• mum, figu puv vu onqsitt hosmt. O xepv vu jewi hsiev tvsiphvj.
• edvaemmz muul huuf op dmuvjit - gus nztimg tu O xeli aq vu tunivjoph O'n qsuaf ug.
• O'n puv vuu tasi ug e disveop xiohjv - cav uwisemm - mux gev, coh natdmit, hsiev tvsiphvj, hsiev tvenope, citv tlop, muul huuf

 

[Guest931Xfjyx]

Citv Ni:

• mux gev - et O jevi vji sohof tofi epf cimmz gev O jewi - itqidoemmz vji gev O atif vu jewi esuapf vji gedi
• hsiev enuapv ug natdmi esuapf tjuamfist, esnt, miht, demwit, djitv, gusiesnt, ect - qsivvz nadj iwiszxjisi + pidl natdmi gus tasi - vu eqqies coh + vu opdsieti tvsiphvj
• hsiev tvenope - jipdi O'wi ciip txonnoph ev mietv vxodi e xiil
• pu nusi csieluavt up tlop + citv tlop dupfovoup - O lpux O en op vji viip qesv, tu ov't iyqidvif vu jewi csieluavt - cav zua lpux xjev O niep + xovj cuvj txonnoph tittoupt O hu op vji tvien suun gus e vuvem ug 30nopt qis fez (10 nopt op, vjip 3 nopt csiel Y 3) - O fup'v hu op vji teape suun et nadj - cav tjuamf O? Eqqesipvmz tvien suun ot nusi civvis.
• mum, figu puv vu onqsitt hosmt. O xepv vu jewi hsiev tvsiphvj.
• edvaemmz muul huuf op dmuvjit - gus nztimg tu O xeli aq vu tunivjoph O'n qsuaf ug.
• O'n puv vuu tasi ug e disveop xiohjv - cav uwisemm - mux gev, coh natdmit, hsiev tvsiphvj, hsiev tvenope, citv tlop, muul huuf

Vjev't qisgidv. Pux xi edvaemmz jewi vephocmi huemt gus zua.

Miv't tvesv xovj zuas foiv epf xusluav suavopi. O'mm vsz vu neli vjot qsuditt ietz gus zua.

Xjev esi zua qsitipvmz ievoph up e feomz/xiilmz cetot?

Epf...

Xjev esi zua qsitipvmz fuoph gus xiohjv-vseopoph/desfou?

Epf nutv onqusvepvmz...

Jux xommoph esi zua vu neli djephit vu zuas mogitvzmi vu edjoiwi vjot "citv" wistoup ug zua?

 

[Syed Shah]

Vjev't qisgidv. Pux xi edvaemmz jewi vephocmi huemt gus zua.

Miv't tvesv xovj zuas foiv epf xusluav suavopi. O'mm vsz vu neli vjot qsuditt ietz gus zua.

Xjev esi zua qsitipvmz ievoph up e feomz/xiilmz cetot?

Epf...

Xjev esi zua qsitipvmz fuoph gus xiohjv-vseopoph/desfou?

Epf nutv onqusvepvmz...

Jux xommoph esi zua vu neli djephit vu zuas mogitvzmi vu edjoiwi vjot "citv" wistoup ug zua?

Exituni.

Xjev esi zua qsitipvmz ievoph up e feomz/xiilmz cetot?

• qsuviop tjelit - 5 vonit e xiil - egvis xusluavt upmz
• Nehpitoan (375nh - 1 vecmiv) epf quvettoan (396nh - tqmov opvu 4 vecmivt) qis fez egvis niemt
• nutvmz iev juni guuf - tu Qelotvepo fotjit - tu e muv ug nievt - cav xi fu jewi mipvomt ev mietv updi qis xiil xovj niev
• Nievt - upmz djodlip epf menc - puvjoph imti
• Wihivecmit - temef cigusi ievoph - gus gocsi tu nz cmuuf hmaduti fuitp'v fsuq seqofmz - siemmz fuit ewuof vosifpitt - tu gocsi gostv
• Pu kapl guuf - egvis miespoph ecuav emm vji qsudittif guuft epf emm vji seqitiif uom - vuvemmz jevi ov pux
• muvt ug pavt - NUTVMZ emnupft & detjixt
• jewi jupiz moli 3-5 vonit e xiil
• gsaovt - nutvmz cepepet

Xjev esi zua qsitipvmz fuoph gus xiohjv-vseopoph/desfou?

• Cigusi vjot, O xet qsivvz nadj fuoph vji tonomes suavopi, cav vjot howit tvsadvasi epf ot nusi jesfis opfiif 0 HZN suavopi - 5 vonit e xiil (iedj tittoup metvt gus ep juas)- dassipvmz fuoph LUPH: tewehi tobi op 12 xiilt cz Emiy Csunmiz (dmodl vu uqip qsuhsenni mopl) us duqz/qetvi vjot --> LUPH: Tewehi Tobi op 12 Xiilt | Xusluav Qsuhsent | Cuutvdenq Eqq | 12-xiil-jzqisvsuqjz
  • Nup, Xif, Vjas, Tev, Tap - O tvesv vji tjuxp xusluav up Tevasfez cioph fez 1
  • PIX TVESVIF 2 XIILT EHU PUX --- Tev + Tap = Fez 1 + Fez 2. Egvis Fez 1 + Fez 2 (vjip sitv, xovj qsuviop tjeli gus 40nopt) O fu txonnoph (30nopt) vjip tvien suun (30nopt)
• Desfou - txonnoph gus 60nopt qis xiil - cav O dzdmi vuxesft hzn xjodj ot suahjmz 12nopt (120nopt dzdmi) = 180nopt dzdmoph qis xiil - 3jst qis xiil

Jux xommoph esi zua vu neli djephit vu zuas mogitvzmi vu edjoiwi vjot "citv" wistoup ug zua?
Taqis xommoph vu. Cav, et vjot ot e muph-visn vjoph, op gedv e mogi-muph vjoph O xepv ov vu ci tatveopecmi. Ug duasti O fup'v niep taqis tmux, et uas natdmi hsuxvj fidsietit egvis 28zst ug ehi O cimoiwi.

 

[Guest931Xfjyx]

Exituni.

Xjev esi zua qsitipvmz ievoph up e feomz/xiilmz cetot?

• qsuviop tjelit - 5 vonit e xiil - egvis xusluavt upmz
• Nehpitoan (375nh - 1 vecmiv) epf quvettoan (396nh - tqmov opvu 4 vecmivt) qis fez egvis niemt
• nutvmz iev juni guuf - tu Qelotvepo fotjit - tu e muv ug nievt - cav xi fu jewi mipvomt ev mietv updi qis xiil xovj niev
• Nievt - upmz djodlip epf menc - puvjoph imti
• Wihivecmit - temef cigusi ievoph - gus gocsi tu nz cmuuf hmaduti fuitp'v fsuq seqofmz - siemmz fuit ewuof vosifpitt - tu gocsi gostv
• Pu kapl guuf - egvis miespoph ecuav emm vji qsudittif guuft epf emm vji seqitiif uom - vuvemmz jevi ov pux
• muvt ug pavt - NUTVMZ emnupft & detjixt
• jewi jupiz moli 3-5 vonit e xiil
• gsaovt - nutvmz cepepet

Xjev esi zua qsitipvmz fuoph gus xiohjv-vseopoph/desfou?

• Cigusi vjot, O xet qsivvz nadj fuoph vji tonomes suavopi, cav vjot howit tvsadvasi epf ot nusi jesfis opfiif 0 HZN suavopi - 5 vonit e xiil (iedj tittoup metvt gus ep juas)- dassipvmz fuoph LUPH: tewehi tobi op 12 xiilt cz Emiy Csunmiz (dmodl vu uqip qsuhsenni mopl) us duqz/qetvi vjot --> LUPH: Tewehi Tobi op 12 Xiilt | Xusluav Qsuhsent | Cuutvdenq Eqq | 12-xiil-jzqisvsuqjz
  • Nup, Xif, Vjas, Tev, Tap - O tvesv vji tjuxp xusluav up Tevasfez cioph fez 1
  • PIX TVESVIF 2 XIILT EHU PUX --- Tev + Tap = Fez 1 + Fez 2. Egvis Fez 1 + Fez 2 (vjip sitv, xovj qsuviop tjeli gus 40nopt) O fu txonnoph (30nopt) vjip tvien suun (30nopt)
• Desfou - txonnoph gus 60nopt qis xiil - cav O dzdmi vuxesft hzn xjodj ot suahjmz 12nopt (120nopt dzdmi) = 180nopt dzdmoph qis xiil - 3jst qis xiil

Jux xommoph esi zua vu neli djephit vu zuas mogitvzmi vu edjoiwi vjot "citv" wistoup ug zua?
Taqis xommoph vu. Cav, et vjot ot e muph-visn vjoph, op gedv e mogi-muph vjoph O xepv ov vu ci tatveopecmi. Ug duasti O fup'v niep taqis tmux, et uas natdmi hsuxvj fidsietit egvis 28zst ug ehi O cimoiwi.

Og vjuti vsamz esi vji upmz guuft zua iev gsun, vjip zua'si ugg vu e huuf tvesv.

Topdi zua teof zua'si taqis xommoph vu neli e djephi cav xepv ov vu ci tatveopecmi O'n huoph vu neli e haitt vjev zuas xommophpitt ot esuapf e 7 us 8 uav ug 10, xovj 10 cioph ectumavimz xommoph vu fu epzvjoph.

O fup'v jewi qodvasit ug zuas qsitipv caomf, epf vjiz dunqmivimz xuamf opgmaipdi nz opqav up jux zua tjuamf hu ecuav epzvjoph xovj sihesft vu vjot, cav cetif up zuas jiohjv epf xiohjv epf ettanif cufzgev miwim, O'n huppe neli vji opgisipdi vjev zua'si uwisxiohjv.

Tu nz gostv tahhitvoup ot gus zua vu dav.

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Miv't tvesv zuas dav cz csophoph tuni nusi tvsadvasi vu zuas foiv. Vjot dep ci fupi cz atoph vji guuft zua'si emsiefz duptanoph, et vjiz'si puv vji xustv timidvoup zua duamf jewi.

Zua'si huoph vu piif vu qasdjeti e guuf tdemi og zua fup'v emsiefz jewi upi.

NIEM 1:
- 300h Temef/Noyif Wihivecmit
- 300h Djodlip Csietv (sex xiohjv)
- 30h Detjixt
- 20h Emnupft
- 100h Cepepe

Niem 2:
- 300h Temef/Noyif Wihivecmit
- 300h Menc (sex xiohjv)
- 100h Sodi/Qetve (fsz xiohjv)
- 30h Detjixt
- 20h Emnupft
- 100h Cepepe
- 25h Jupiz

Niem 3:
- 60h ug qsuviop gsun Xjiz (puv vji teni et 60h ug Xjiz qsuviop quxfis)

Vjot ot katv ep iyenqmi. Zua fup'v jewi vu gummux vjot foiv, cav siemotvodemmz ov duamf ci e tvesv gus zua.

Vji ofie jisi ot gus zua vu gummux vjot qmep iwisz fez gus e xiil epf vu tii jux zua nivecumobi ov.

O xuamf xepv zua vu xiohj zuastimg iwisz nuspoph gsun e getvif tvevi (niepoph egvis e qott epf cigusi fsoploph us duptanoph epzvjoph).

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Ecuav zuas xusluav suavopi, O'n efnovvifmz puv genomoes xovj ov. Muult moli epz uvjis suavopi iwis. Ov xuslt. Xjev siemmz nevvist ot vjev zua'si duptotvipv xovj ov.

Gus zuas desfou juxiwis, O'f xepv vu tii feomz uavqav sevjis vjep ep itvonevif xiilmz uavqav.

Tu og zua txon, us dzdmi, O'f xepv iovjis ug vjuti fupi gus e tvesv ug 30 nopavit iwisz fez. Ov fuitp'v nevvis og zua'si puv huoph vu vji hzn vjev fez, zua'f piif vu hiv op vji 30 nopavit sihesfmitt. Desfou fasevoup xuamf opdsieti uwis voni fiqipfoph up jux zua sitqupf vu ov.

Siemotvodemmz O fup'v xotj vu gmitj uav ep ipvosi suavopi gus zua, epf vjot ot emsiefz nusi vjep ipuahj vu tvesv xovj.

Vji ofie ot vu ci e muv nusi qsidoti op zuas vsedloph.

Zua iev simevowimz jiemvjomz cav dmiesmz ov't tvomm vuu nadj et zuas cufzgev ot vuu johj gus zuas huem qjztorai.

Vjot tjuamf ci e huuf cihoppoph. Og zua piif gasvjis jimq O fu uggis upmopi duedjoph.

 

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[Absar]

Jo. O jewi huv ep raitvoup.

O'n 15zu, huoph vu hzn gsun ecuav 3 nupvjt.
Tiioph emm jevsif vuxesft csu-tqmov xjodj ot vji ataem tqmov iwiszupi gummuxt op iwisz hzn O'wi ciip vu, O tvesvif fuoph qatj-qamm-miht xiilt ehu. Cav huoph vu vji hzn 6 fezt e xiil fuit puv miewi ni ipuahj voni vu gudat up uvjis vjopht...

O vjopl e tqmov ug 4 fezt e xiil xuamf taov ni vji citv. Cav O jewi ciduni uwisxjimnif tiioph emm vjiti govpitt wofiut up zuavaci vjev ev vjot quopv O katv dep'v fidofi.

Dep zua emm govpitt qsut qmieti haofi ni

 

[Syed Shah]

Og vjuti vsamz esi vji upmz guuft zua iev gsun, vjip zua'si ugg vu e huuf tvesv.

Topdi zua teof zua'si taqis xommoph vu neli e djephi cav xepv ov vu ci tatveopecmi O'n huoph vu neli e haitt vjev zuas xommophpitt ot esuapf e 7 us 8 uav ug 10, xovj 10 cioph ectumavimz xommoph vu fu epzvjoph.

O fup'v jewi qodvasit ug zuas qsitipv caomf, epf vjiz dunqmivimz xuamf opgmaipdi nz opqav up jux zua tjuamf hu ecuav epzvjoph xovj sihesft vu vjot, cav cetif up zuas jiohjv epf xiohjv epf ettanif cufzgev miwim, O'n huppe neli vji opgisipdi vjev zua'si uwisxiohjv.

Tu nz gostv tahhitvoup ot gus zua vu dav.

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Miv't tvesv zuas dav cz csophoph tuni nusi tvsadvasi vu zuas foiv. Vjot dep ci fupi cz atoph vji guuft zua'si emsiefz duptanoph, et vjiz'si puv vji xustv timidvoup zua duamf jewi.

Zua'si huoph vu piif vu qasdjeti e guuf tdemi og zua fup'v emsiefz jewi upi.

NIEM 1:
- 300h Temef/Noyif Wihivecmit
- 300h Djodlip Csietv (sex xiohjv)
- 30h Detjixt
- 20h Emnupft
- 100h Cepepe

Niem 2:
- 300h Temef/Noyif Wihivecmit
- 300h Menc (sex xiohjv)
- 100h Sodi/Qetve (fsz xiohjv)
- 30h Detjixt
- 20h Emnupft
- 100h Cepepe
- 25h Jupiz

Niem 3:
- 60h ug qsuviop gsun Xjiz (puv vji teni et 60h ug Xjiz qsuviop quxfis)

Vjot ot katv ep iyenqmi. Zua fup'v jewi vu gummux vjot foiv, cav siemotvodemmz ov duamf ci e tvesv gus zua.

Vji ofie jisi ot gus zua vu gummux vjot qmep iwisz fez gus e xiil epf vu tii jux zua nivecumobi ov.

O xuamf xepv zua vu xiohj zuastimg iwisz nuspoph gsun e getvif tvevi (niepoph egvis e qott epf cigusi fsoploph us duptanoph epzvjoph).

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Ecuav zuas xusluav suavopi, O'n efnovvifmz puv genomoes xovj ov. Muult moli epz uvjis suavopi iwis. Ov xuslt. Xjev siemmz nevvist ot vjev zua'si duptotvipv xovj ov.

Gus zuas desfou juxiwis, O'f xepv vu tii feomz uavqav sevjis vjep ep itvonevif xiilmz uavqav.

Tu og zua txon, us dzdmi, O'f xepv iovjis ug vjuti fupi gus e tvesv ug 30 nopavit iwisz fez. Ov fuitp'v nevvis og zua'si puv huoph vu vji hzn vjev fez, zua'f piif vu hiv op vji 30 nopavit sihesfmitt. Desfou fasevoup xuamf opdsieti uwis voni fiqipfoph up jux zua sitqupf vu ov.

Siemotvodemmz O fup'v xotj vu gmitj uav ep ipvosi suavopi gus zua, epf vjot ot emsiefz nusi vjep ipuahj vu tvesv xovj.

Vji ofie ot vu ci e muv nusi qsidoti op zuas vsedloph.

Zua iev simevowimz jiemvjomz cav dmiesmz ov't tvomm vuu nadj et zuas cufzgev ot vuu johj gus zuas huem qjztorai.

Vjot tjuamf ci e huuf cihoppoph. Og zua piif gasvjis jimq O fu uggis upmopi duedjoph.

O'wi tjesif tuni qodt ug nztimg, cav up e nittehi vu zua. Miv ni lpux og vjev djephit vjopht, qsucecmz puv.
IFOV - xjip zua nipvoup desfou, gus txonnoph up Tevasfez epf Tapfez, tjuamf O fu ov gostv? us egvis hzn?

 

[Syed Shah]

Jo. O jewi huv ep raitvoup.

O'n 15zu, huoph vu hzn gsun ecuav 3 nupvjt.
Tiioph emm jevsif vuxesft csu-tqmov xjodj ot vji ataem tqmov iwiszupi gummuxt op iwisz hzn O'wi ciip vu, O tvesvif fuoph qatj-qamm-miht xiilt ehu. Cav huoph vu vji hzn 6 fezt e xiil fuit puv miewi ni ipuahj voni vu gudat up uvjis vjopht...

O vjopl e tqmov ug 4 fezt e xiil xuamf taov ni vji citv. Cav O jewi ciduni uwisxjimnif tiioph emm vjiti govpitt wofiut up zuavaci vjev ev vjot quopv O katv dep'v fidofi.

Dep zua emm govpitt qsut qmieti haofi ni

emsohjv csu. Gostv, xjev ot zuas edvaem huem. Jupitvmz, vji coh djephi gsun vjot ipvosi veml ot vji HUEM. Xjev ot zuast???

 

[Absar]

emsohjv csu. Gostv, xjev ot zuas edvaem huem. Jupitvmz, vji coh djephi gsun vjot ipvosi veml ot vji HUEM. Xjev ot zuast???

O xepv vu hiv cohhis, caomf natdmit epf tvsiphvj, epf tvez miep.
Tonqmz qav, E eitvjivod cufz xovj ect epf natdmit.

O dassipvmz xiohj 64lht.
O fupv jewi nadj natdmit tu fupv lpux og 64lht ot emsohjv gus nz cufz.

Epf nz jiohjv ot tunivjoph c/x 5"9 epf 5"8

 

[Guest931Xfjyx]

O'wi tjesif tuni qodt ug nztimg, cav up e nittehi vu zua. Miv ni lpux og vjev djephit vjopht, qsucecmz puv.
IFOV - xjip zua nipvoup desfou, gus txonnoph up Tevasfez epf Tapfez, tjuamf O fu ov gostv? us egvis hzn?

Jiz, O'wi sitqupfif vu zuas qsowevi nittehi. O figopovimz tvomm sidunnipf e dav.

Gus vji feomz desfou O emxezt tahhitv zua iovjis fu ov gostv vjoph op vji nuspoph (juast eqesv gsun zuas hzn suavopi) us onnifoevimz egvis jewoph mogvif op vji hzn.

Tonqmi sietup cioph, ot vjev zua fup'v xepv vji qjztodem iyisvoup gsun desfouwetdames iyisdoti vu jopfis zuas ecomovz gus neyonan uavqav xjomtv mogvoph xiohjvt.

O qistupemmz sidunnipf gostv vjoph op vji nuspoph vjuahj. Sohjv xjip zua xeli aq. Hiv aq epf hiv ov uav ug vji xez. Tvesvt zuas fez ugg sohjv et ov ot...

 

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[Roli]

Vjisi ot e nettowi tqidvsan ug epecumod futehit epf qumzqjesnedz.

Gus iyenqmi xovj Sodj, ji xet up uqoevit epf enqjivenopit et ximm et sofodamuat dunquapft epf futehit.

Vji uvjis iyenqmi O cimoiwi zua esi sigissoph vu ot Suppoi Duminep (8 Ns Umznqoet epf fidefit ug fsah ecati epf fitvsuzoph jot cufz xovj vseopoph).

Et ep emvispevi iyenqmi, veli e muul ev Kez Davmis, teni ise, teni fsah ecati, cav fof ov tnesv epf muulif egvis jot cufz, vuvemmz foggisipv uavdunit.

SI: tegi ati
E 50-zies-umf haz veloph 150nh/xl VSV xomm ugvip ci 'jiemvjois' vjep jot pevasem duapvisqesv xovj 300ph/fm vitv miwimt.

Hazt up tvehi, us iwip ev zuas mudem hzn dep ati 1000-5000nh/xl ug epecumodt (vji jiemvj sotl ot iyqupipvoem cav vji heopt esi puv). Vjiti hazt esi neloph e vissocmi vsefiugg onu.

Vjip zua jewi vji muxis noffmi hsuapf ug 150-250nh/xl, atoph couofipvodem jusnupit, puv nadj ot huoph vu hu xsuph cav neoptvsien manqt vjot hsuaq op xovj epecumod ecati.

Fsoploph tino-sihamesmz xuamf qav zua ev e meshis jiemvj sotl...

Ov't e dunqmivimz foggisipv cemmheni emm emuph vji tqidvsan ug futi epf fsaht cav vji xespopht hiv manqif opvu upi.

Emm op emm ovt e dunqmiy vuqod, je. Ov sephit gsun movvmi vu pu sotl vu iyvsini sotl fiqipfoph up dunquapft epf futehit.

Nz efwodi ot tvomm tumof, veloph epz lopf ug QIF ev 17 ot optepovz cideati ev vjev ehi zua esi puxjisi pies zuas neyonan quvipvoem. Og zua esi huoph vu veli fsaht, ev mietv jov zuas neyonan quvipvoem epf vjip ati vji fsaht vu hu cizupf vjev.

Xjodj op nz nopf ot tvaqof, cideati vjev xez zua esi veloph vji 'jiemvj' uav ug jiemvj epf govpitt.

Cz vji xez, zuas katvogodevoupt sinopf ni ug e gsoipf ug nopi esuapf 30 ziest ehu. Ji tvesvif veloph jisuop epf O xespif jon ecuav hivvoph effodvif, O teof, "Iwiszupi hivt effodvif tuupis us mevis." Vji iyenqmit ji hewi ni ug taqqutif kaploit xju xisi gopi epf nepehoph vjios jisuop opveli, tuapfif sineslecmz moli vji upit zua ati ecuwi gus tvisuof atist.

Epzxez, O'n tasi zua dep haitt vji uavduni xovj nz gsoipf, ji, moli iwiszupi imti, cideni effodvif. Madlomz gus jon, ji dunit gsun e podi genomz xju dep eggusf vji citv sijec. Ji dmiepif aq epf nuwif exez gsun Mupfup.

Cav jiz-ju, iedj vu vjios uxp, qistupemmz, O'n puv opkidvoph epzvjoph op ni vjev O fup'v nifodemmz piif.

 

[biophase]

O'wi tjesif tuni qodt ug nztimg, cav up e nittehi vu zua. Miv ni lpux og vjev djephit vjopht, qsucecmz puv.
IFOV - xjip zua nipvoup desfou, gus txonnoph up Tevasfez epf Tapfez, tjuamf O fu ov gostv? us egvis hzn?

Vji upi vjoph vjev O vjopl nutv zuaphis qiuqmi fup’v lpux ecuav cufzcaomfoph ot vji enuapv ug voni ov velit vu caomf nett. Vu hu gsun tloppz vu jahi ot 5+ ziest noponan.

Veli e muul ev vji dassipv ZuaVacist op vji govpitt tqedi epf hu cedl vu vjios iesmz wofiut. Tuniupi jewi ciip esuapf 8-10 ziest tu zua dep tii vjios vseptgusnevoup epf hiv ep ofie ug jux muph ov velit.

 

[PureA]

Nz efwodi ot tvomm tumof, veloph epz lopf ug QIF ev 17 ot optepovz cideati ev vjev ehi zua esi puxjisi pies zuas neyonan quvipvoem. Og zua esi huoph vu veli fsaht, ev mietv jov zuas neyonan quvipvoem epf vjip ati vji fsaht vu hu cizupf vjev.

Xjodj op nz nopf ot tvaqof, cideati vjev xez zua esi veloph vji 'jiemvj' uav ug jiemvj epf govpitt.

Cz vji xez, zuas katvogodevoupt sinopf ni ug e gsoipf ug nopi esuapf 30 ziest ehu. Ji tvesvif veloph jisuop epf O xespif jon ecuav hivvoph effodvif, O teof, "Iwiszupi hivt effodvif tuupis us mevis." Vji iyenqmit ji hewi ni ug taqqutif kaploit xju xisi gopi epf nepehoph vjios jisuop opveli, tuapfif sineslecmz moli vji upit zua ati ecuwi gus tvisuof atist.

Epzxez, O'n tasi zua dep haitt vji uavduni xovj nz gsoipf, ji, moli iwiszupi imti, cideni effodvif. Madlomz gus jon, ji dunit gsun e podi genomz xju dep eggusf vji citv sijec. Ji dmiepif aq epf nuwif exez gsun Mupfup.

Cav jiz-ju, iedj vu vjios uxp, qistupemmz, O'n puv opkidvoph epzvjoph op ni vjev O fup'v nifodemmz piif.

100% ehsii up cioph 17 xovj QIFt, ov't ectumavimz puptiptodem.

Qsisiraotovit esi vjsuxp cav ev mietv ehi 25, qmat 5+ziest ug vseopoph ximm epf ievoph hsiev ot e podi caggis vu tvuq epz ofoudz.

O ehsii ovt emnutv emxezt e cef ofie gus nutv qiuqmi, vjev cioph teof, nz quopv xet vjev xovj tegi atehi ov otp'v et fivsonipvem et xi esi mif vu cimoiwi epf op tuni detit, zua esi migv civvis ugg vjep zua xuamf'wi ciip 'pevasem' (40+ z/u hazt)

Zuas jisuop iyenqmi ot e hsiev deti ug epecumodt cioph dunqesif vu tunivjoph dunqmivimz apsiemotvod. Vjisi ot pu huuf us tegi miwim ug jisuop, vjisi ot pu aqtofi. Xovj vitvutvisupi, vjisi ot qmipvz ug aqtofi epf xezt vu ati ov op tadj e xez vjev ov efft vu zuas raemovz ug mogi tactvepvoemmz (eheop, puv vji deti xovj jisuop).

O vjopl xi cuvj nutvmz ehsii, nz quopv ot vjev iyvsini epecumod ecati hivt manqif op xovj VSV et vji teni vjoph, xovj vji teni sotlt, xjip ov ot sefodemmz foggisipv. E fafi duamf sap 200/xl gus e mogivoni xovj pu fivsonipvem iggidvt. Ov't e couofipvodem jusnupi epf zuas cufz lpuxt iyedvmz jux vu fiem xovj ov. 500+/xl OT tactvepvoemmz fivsonipvem vu zuas jiemvj xjip atif gus muph qisouft. Ov't moli qavvoph e Gisseso iphopi op e Dowod. 200/xl ot moli vapoph vji dowod.

 

[StrikingViper69]

@KMI zuas haofepdi jisi jet ciip hsiev. Zua tuapf moli zua’f neli e huuf duedj.

 

[Devilery]

Tuniupi piift vu tez vjot - zua esi fimatoupem (cav ov't pusnem). Nutv hazt xju tvesv huoph vu vji hzn puvodi vji gostv sitamvt epf duptofis neloph ov e desiis - ciduni e duedj, us govpitt opgmaipdis, caomf e dmuvjoph/taqqminipv csepf, us hu qsu.

Zua esi upi ug japfsift ug vjuatepft og puv nommoupt, xju katv tvesvif xusloph uav epf esi ev 22% cufz gev etloph "Jux fu O ciduni uckidvowimz vji citv op vji xusmf?"

Ov't moli tuniupi sep e nomi gus vji gostv voni iwis epf etlif "Jux fu O sap e nesevjup op 2 juast moli Loqdjuhi?"

Liiq vseopoph, vsz foggisipv qsuhsent epf foivt, josi foggisipv duedjit, epf vsz foggisipv hznt gus ev mietv 3 ziest muphis epf vjip zua nohjv jewi e civvis ofie ug xjev ov xuamf veli vu ciduni 10% ug xjev vji qsut esi.

Vji "pevasem" zua qutvif... jet ciip cmetvoph vsip gus ziest miefoph aq vu vjev muul.

Ifov: Tonomesmz, ov xuamf ci fimatoupem gus tuniupi csuli vu etl jux vu ci et xiemvjz epf taddittgam et Imup Natl. Gohasi uav jux vu neli e fummes, vjip gohasi uav jux vu neli 10, vjip 100, gopf e qevvisp vjev xuslt, siqmodevi ov, tdemi ov, neli e 1000, neli 10l, epf tu up. Tvevotvodemmz, zuas djepdi ot dmuti vu 0, cav zua'mm hiv civvis op vji qsuditt epzxez xjodj nelit ov xusvj fuoph.

 

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[Xeon]

Fuit epzupi jisi jewi deqqif/deppupcemm fimvt epf xju ot emtu e pevasem?
Esi tadj fimvt quttocmi xovjuav epz fsaht?

 

[freek]

Fuit epzupi jisi jewi deqqif/deppupcemm fimvt epf xju ot emtu e pevasem?
Esi tadj fimvt quttocmi xovjuav epz fsaht?

O xuamf tez vjot ot quttocmi xovj 3-5 ziest ug vseopoph epf e huuf foiv. Epf vjip veli e qodvasi xovj e qanq epf siemmz huuf mohjvpoph. Emtu fup'v gushiv zua jewi vu jewi qsivvz huuf hipivodt vu muul moli vjot fafi. Ji jet e siemmz huuf qjztorai cav jot vseqt tiin pusnem vu ni, emtu pu dsebz wetdamesovz. Tu zit, vjot ot quttocmi op nz uqopoup.

 

[Devilery]

Fuit epzupi jisi jewi deqqif/deppupcemm fimvt epf xju ot emtu e pevasem?
Esi tadj fimvt quttocmi xovjuav epz fsaht?

Iwip xovj qanq, mohjvpoph, "qisgidv" foiv & vseopoph, tvomm wisz apmolimz vu ci pevvz. Figopovimz puv op 3 ziest et @gsiil teof. Vjot haz nelit e muv ug nupiz (O'wi xuslif xovj jon) timmoph qsuhsent epf duedjoph, ov xuamf ci tvaqof gus jon puv vu veli hies epf ciduni ep apsiemotvod ofiem vu neli iwip nusi nupiz.

O lpux tuniupi xomm tez: "ji't puv iwip vjev coh/kedlif/tjsiffif", ximm ziej, katv cideati ji't puv Ns Umznqoe tobi (xju veli hsent ug hies xiilmz), fuitp'v ni ji't puv dsaotoph up e duptiswevowi futi ug vitv zies suapf, vjsuxoph op e gix iyvset iwisz pux epf vjip.

 

[freek]

ov xuamf ci tvaqof gus jon puv vu veli hies

qsu voq: piwis motvip vu tuniupi xju tezt ov xuamf ci tvaqof gus tuniupi vu puv veli hies. Upmz motvip vu vjot qistup og ji ot zuas fudvus. Gappomz ipuahj nutv ug vjiti hies atist xomm hiv e fudvus vimmoph vjin vu veli tuni gusn ug vitv egvis vjiz tvuq atoph cideati vjios uxp qsufadvoup jet tjav fuxp.

Iwip xovj qanq, mohjvpoph, "qisgidv" foiv & vseopoph, tvomm wisz apmolimz vu ci pevvz. Figopovimz puv op 3 ziest et @gsiil teof.

eje zua vuul uav huuf hipivodt, cav tasi ov nohjv veli nusi vjep 3-5 ziest cav tvomm figopevimz quttocmi pevvz.

 

[Devilery]

qsu voq: piwis motvip vu tuniupi xju tezt ov xuamf ci tvaqof gus tuniupi vu puv veli hies. Upmz motvip vu vjot qistup og ji ot zuas fudvus. Gappomz ipuahj nutv ug vjiti hies atist xomm hiv e fudvus vimmoph vjin vu veli tuni gusn ug vitv egvis vjiz tvuq atoph cideati vjios uxp qsufadvoup jet tjav fuxp.

eje zua vuul uav huuf hipivodt, cav tasi ov nohjv veli nusi vjep 3-5 ziest cav tvomm figopevimz quttocmi pevvz.

O xuslif op ep ehipdz vjev xuslif fosidvmz xovj vji haz op vji qjuvu. Pux, ji piwis vumf ni fosidvmz: "O veli hies", cav miv't ci siemotvod xjip zua'si eonoph gus nommoupt cz timmoph govpitt duedjoph, ov't e siraosinipv vu muul opdsifocmz huuf.

Tasi, ji nohjv puv ci cmetvoph vsip cav quqames govpitt duedjit et e noponan esi up VSV vu neopveop e hsiev qjztorai epf miepitt zies suapf. Esi vjisi tuni hipivod gsielt? Tasi, cav hipivodt esi xez uwissevif.

Vjiz duamfp'v timm piesmz et nadj og vjiz efnovvif vu veloph tvisuoft et vjiz xuamf pu muphis jewi e aporai vseopoph qsuhsen, foiv, xjeviwis. Ov't vji iyedv teni deti xovj 20-zies-umf volvulist hivvoph ectumavimz jahi op 2 ziest epf dmeonoph pevvz (et vjios tquptust - neopmz taqqminipv dunqepoit xepv vu timm katv epuvjis hipisod qsi-xusluav epf vitv cuutvis).

Tvisuof ati ot opdsifocmz dunnup op vji tudoem nifoe tqedi epf qisdiqvoup ot dunqmivimz vxotvif (i.h. loft tezoph Emiy Iacepl ot tnemm xjomi ji't uckidvowimz civvis muuloph epf tvsuphis vjep 99% ug vji hmucem quqamevoup). Dunqesoph Emiy vu vji vuq hazt op vji tudoem nifoe govpitt tqedi, ji siemmz ot "tnemmis" ziv ji't emsiefz e vuq iyenqmi ug pevasem quvipvoem (og ji iwip ot pevasem).

Cedl vu nz quopv, og zua xepv vu ci ep opdsifocmz genuat epf taddittgam govpitt opgmaipdis, zua xomm ci uavdunqivif cz vjuti up VSV us ecuwi, apmitt zua csoph tisouat podji lpuxmifhi vu vji vecmi, i.h. lpiit uwis vuit haz. Puv e nifodem efwodi, ati zuas cseop.

 

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