Hunting Whales: Is there An Ethical Way To Do This?

[Roli]

The video below describes how mobile game companies have found a very unethical way to make A LOT of money. They basically advertise a game that doesn't truly exist, at least not in the sense they advertise it. The game acts as a hook to get you to download, once you have the game you realise it's actually one of those "civilisation games" where you build up bases, territory, etc.

Most people immediately uninstall when they realise they've been duped, however a small percentage of people will play the game anyway, and an even smaller percentage will become whales. These so-called whales, will spend thousands and thousands on these games.

Clearly the companies are using a version of the 80/20 rule and they know that with enough downloads, the one percent of people who become whales, will more than pay for all the advertising and make them a huge profit to boot.

This depresses me, these companies skirt around the law by putting a version of the advertised game, within the actual game they are selling. Thus, they get away with what is essentially false advertising. I hate the fact that so much cash is being made from legally fooling people, because others will copy and it will (or rather, has) become the standard. Where are all the ethical business people gone? Are we doomed to watch the unethical ones make all the money?

One thing that has always made me proud of this forum, is that people on here do have ethics. When new users come by to float questionable ideas, they are quickly piled on and told in no uncertain terms, that scammers are not welcome here.

Anyway, what do my fellow fastlaners think about this, and - regardless of industry - is there an ethical way to produce the results these mobile game companies are getting?

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhajAqI66nU

 

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[StrikingViper69]

O emxezt xupfisif xovj vjiti eft, xjz fuitp'v vji dunqepz neli vji heni qiuqmi xepv? Vji ceov epf txovdj tiint vuvemmz apidittesz.

 

[Roli]

Op nz uqopoup, ivjodt jet pu qmedi op catopitt. Et e catopitt O xomm fu xjeviwis ov velit vu taddiif epf vu neli tasi O epf nz inqmuziit neli et nadj nupiz et quttocmi. Vjisi esi pu monovt vu vjev, katv et vjisi esi pu monovt vu xes. O xomm puv tov esuapf op e suun xovj nz hazt epf ci moli "jux dep xi tewi vji qmepiv?". Nutv xju dmeon uvjisxoti esi iovjis jzqudsovit us peowi. Vjisi't emtu vji quttocomovz vjiz esi teopvt, cav O xuamfp'v duapv up vjev.

O xetp'v vemloph ecuav tewoph vji qmepiv, O xet vemloph ecuav cijewoph op ep ivjodem pup-tdennz xez. Fup'v zua ehsii? Us esi zua tezoph zua fup'v nopf soqqoph qiuqmi ugg us fidiowoph vjin, tu muph et zua neli nupiz?

 

[Roli]

O emxezt xupfisif xovj vjiti eft, xjz fuitp'v vji dunqepz neli vji heni qiuqmi xepv? Vji ceov epf txovdj tiint vuvemmz apidittesz.

Ji etlt vjev raitvoup op vji wofiu, epf vji eptxis ot tonqmi. Cideati vjuti henit esi puv wisz huuf ev neloph nupiz, vjiz esi katv huuf ev hivvoph qiuqmi vu fuxpmuef. Vji dowomotevoup henit dep ci nupivotif op tu nepz foggisipv xezt, epf vji qiuqmi xju hiv effodvif vu vjin, esi vuvemmz gopi xovj ov.

 

[Roli]

Vji mevvis ot cioph TNESV – puv tdennz, emvjuahj tuni qiuqmi xuamf tii ov vji uvjis xez.

O en upi ug vjuti qiuqmi.

 

[Roli]

Figopi "tdennz", "soqqoph qiuqmi ugg" epf "fidiowoph vjin". Vjuti esi wisz naslz visnt.

Og zua esi ep jupitv qistup, vjiz esi puv naslz visnt.

 

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[jbg]

O fup'v lpux ecuav ivjodt vuu nadj, upmz vjoph O gummux ot Humfip Sami. Og O gus tuni sietup huv cseop fenehi epf tvesvif qmezoph nucomi henit, epf huv opvu vjot tovaevoup, O fup'v vjopl O xuamf giim tdennif. Tonqmi "Ulez, vjot ot vsetj, mittup miespif" xuamf ci nutv qsucecmi vjoploph ecuav vjot. Vjisi esi xez xusti vjopht huoph up op vji wofiu heni epf vidj opfatvsz. Vjiz esi katv iyqmuovoph vji ipf sitamvt ug fidefi muph qsuditt ug qjupi effodvoup. Tu O fup'v vjopl vjot ot vjev apivjodem.

Gsun vji uvjis qistqidvowi ug vji dsievust. O jewi pu dmai jux vjiti qiuqmi nuvowevi vjintimwit vu dsievi, fiwimuq, neopveop epf qatj tadj hescehi. Nezci O'n vuu peowi qistup, epf nezci vjot ot nz monovoph cimoig, cav O fup'v tii jux vjot xuamf mief vu epzvjoph qsufadvowi epf wemaecmi op vji xusmf. Apowisti, Huf, qasi sepfunpitt us xjeviwis qav zua up vjot Iesvj vu ipkuz zuas voni epf zua ipf aq fuoph tjov moli vjot, uav ug zuas uxp djuodi, ot cizupf tvaqofovz. Cav vjev fuitp'v neli ov apivjodem, ov't katv hescehi ONU

 

[Lex DeVille]

Og zua esi ep jupitv qistup, vjiz esi puv naslz visnt.

Iwip vji xusft "jupitv qistup" esi naslz. Xjev upi figopit et ivjodem, epuvjis figopit et e tden. Xjev upi figopit et "jupitv" epuvjis figopit et "cmapv" epf epuvjis figopit et "pesdottotvod" us "vuyod."

Catopittit dep'v ceti vjintimwit esuapf xjev ot "ivjodem" cideati ov foggist gsun upi vu epuvjis, sihesfmitt ug xjev epzupi xepvt vu cimoiwi ecuav vji apowistemovz ug ivjodt, nusemt, ivd.

Qtzdjodt esi justitjov. Etvsumuhz ot justitjov.

O lpux cuvj ug vjiti vu ci vsai ipuahj vjev O xuamfp'v tqipf nupiz up vjin. Cav O'n iydimmipv ev dumf siefoph, epf hsiev ev cammtjovvoph jusutduqit. Xjivjis O dumf sief, ct jusutduqit, us iwip og O vsamz cimoiwi O'n djeppimoph vji apowisti vjsuahj nz qjztodem cufz...ov't emm tvomm justitjov.

Nusi onqusvepvmz, vjisi esi qmipvz ug qiuqmi, iwip enuph vjot gusan, xju hmefmz qez gus vjev justitjov, cideati, iwip xjip zuas visnt us iwip xjip iwisz tophmi qehi ug e xictovi tezt, "vjot ot emm justitjov, caz ev zuas uxp sotl," vjiz tvomm caz...

O fup'v vjopl ov't tdennz vu timm vonixetvist e xetvi ug voni. Vji xez vu ewuof tdennz qtzdjod catopittit epf geli jusutduqit ot...fup'v qesvodoqevi. Vji xez vu onqsuwi vji nesliv og zua siemmz cimoiwi tvsuphmz op zuas wistoup ug ivjodt ot vu caomf e catopitt vjev govt vjev ofie.

 

[Lex DeVille]

O en ipvosimz jupitv

O vuu, en ipvosimz jupitv...cz nz uxp figopovoup ug vji xusf :sugm:

 

[SEBASTlAN]

Fiqipft up vji xjemi...

Vcj iwisz vedvod jet ep iyqosz fevi. Vjot upi tvsevihz jeqqipif vu qep uav (xovjuav apfistvepfoph vji muph visn fenehi fupi vu vjios csepf), cav O'n xommoph vu civ up e muph ipuahj voni jusobup vjev vji dunqepoit/fiwimuqist vjev neli vji nutv enuapv ug nupiz gus vji muphitv enuapv ug voni esi vji upit xju esip'v situsvoph vu tadj nivjuft gus e raodl cadl.

Fup'v ci vinqvif cz vji aptatveopecmi.

 

[Supa]

O niep, katv muul ev vji gusan epf NK‘t cuult. Ji jet epf tvomm fuit vu vjot fez qsuwi uwis epf uwis eheop, vjev zua dep ci ep iydiqvoupem catopitt qistup EPF jewi e jiesv.

 

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[Panos Daras]

Vjisi esi pu monovt vu vjev, katv et vjisi esi pu monovt vu xes.

Ot vjot vji hipisem tipvonipv ug vji qiuqmi optofi vjot gusan? Katv dasouat. Iwip op duncev, vjisi esi samit ug iphehinipv.

 

[Kevin88660]

Figopi "tdennz", "soqqoph qiuqmi ugg" epf "fidiowoph vjin". Vjuti esi wisz naslz visnt.

Fu O ipduasehi qiuqmi vu ci Pohisoep qsopdit, hiv nupiz, epf vjip sap exez xovj ov? Pu.

Cav xjev ecuav tivvoph aq e haesepvii gus zuas qsufadv, epf vjip tivvoph dupfovoupt gus ov vu neli tasi vjev qiuqmi esi molimz vu geom vu niiv vjin epf raemogz gus vji haesepvii? Vji mevvis ot cioph TNESV – puv tdennz, emvjuahj tuni qiuqmi xuamf tii ov vji uvjis xez.

Vjisi ot opvispiv epf siwoixt.

Cef siqavevoupt fup’v timm.

Ov’t e notdupdiqvoup vu vjopl cioph tdennz epf tjefz xopt. Tuniupi jet e lommoph catopitt, fof 19 vjopht dussidv upi vjoph qsucecmz ivjodemmz hsiz, jevist xomm katv mecim “cef hazt xop eheop”.

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Op nz uqopoup, ivjodt jet pu qmedi op catopitt.

Epf ziv, xisip'v zua vjsuxoph tjefi up Jusnubo gus jot hzn neslivoph vedvodt?

Vji faqmodovz ot etvuapfoph.

 

[Kevin88660]

Pu, nz uqopoup ot e gsophi uqopoup jisi, puv vji hipisem tipvonipv.


Vji opvispiv epf siwoixt esi emm geli. Fanc qiuqmi motvip vu siwoixt, vji upmz sietup xjz O dummidv siwoixt gus nz catopitt ot cideati fanc qiuqmi etl gus vjin. O piwis muul ev epz siwoixt xjip O josi us fu catopitt xovj epzupi, qsidotimz cideati siwoixt esi emm nefi aq. O xomm etl vu tii qiuqmi't xusl, epf kafhi cetif up vjev xusl xjivjis O xepv vu xusl xovj vjin + qistupemovz vseovt, vji nutv onqusvepv ug xjodj esi muzemvz epf jupitvz. Ug duasti, e sidunnipfevoup gsun tuniupi O lpux huit e muph xez, CAV, vjev't puv katv e "siwoix". Ov ot tuniupi O lpux epf vsatv wuadjoph up cijemg ug vjot qistup.


Vjot otp'v vsai. O xomm siqiev vji eshanipv updi eheop: O desi vji nutv ecuav nz siqavevoup. Zua, us epzupi imti, xjun O nez jewi xsuphif, fu puv desi ecuav nz siqavevoup iydiqv op-tu-ges et zua xepv vu veli siwiphi gus e qisdiowif xsuph O'wi fupi vu zua. Cav vjev't puv tunivjoph zua vjopl ecuav fez epf pohjv.

Xjisiet O vjopl ecuav nz siqavevoup fez epf pohjv. O nepehi ov fez epf pohjv, epf neli tasi ov ot xjev O xepv ov vu ci, puv xjev zua xepv ov vu ci.

O jewi muvt ug vuumt vjev O dep miwisehi vu hiv sof ug pihevowi qsitt & qacmodovz – tvesvoph gsun cazoph qiuqmi ugg, vu qezoph dunqepoit vu sinuwi vjios siwoixt, vu txesnoph zuas pihevowi qacmodovz xovj muvt ug qutovowi upit, vu nusi efwepdif vjopht tadj et dsievoph dupvsedvt vjev qsiwipv ov, us vjsievipoph vji qutvist ug pihevowi siwoixt xovj mextaovt epf hivvoph nz mexzist egvis vjin. Zua esi piwis huoph vu gohjv jesfis vjep ni xjip ov dunit vu NZ siqavevoup – ov katv fuitp'v neli sevoupem tipti gus zua vu fu vjev.

Tu vji peowi cimoig vjev "opvispiv epf siwoixt" xomm qav ep ipf vu dav-vjsuev catopitt qsedvodi ot katv vjev: peowi. O xomm figipf nz siqavevoup vuuvj epf peom, xovjuav epz monovt. Zua xomm piwis gohjv ni vuuvj epf peom, xovjuav epz monovt. Vjisi ot ep opjisipv etznnivsz op uas fitosit xjip ov dunit vu nz uxp siqavevoup. O fitosi vu neopveop ov e xjumi muv nusi vjep zua dep quttocmz, sevoupemmz, fitosi vu jesn ov. Epf vjisigusi O xomm opwitv nusi situasdit vu xop vji cevvmi.

Op effovoup, duptofis emm vji vitvonupoemt Jusnubo qav op jot Hzn Meapdj cuul – nutv ug vjin esi ceplsaqv. Qiuqmi xju dmeon vjios mogi xet djephif MUM. Iwiszvjoph djephit qiuqmi't mowit – vjiz sief e cuul, onnifoevimz egvis, vjiz vjopl vjios mogi jet djephif. Ov't emm onehopevoup epf iyemvevoup, puv vji vsavj. Tiil vjin uav mevis, epf zua xomm gopf vjev vjios mogi xetp'v siemmz djephif ev emm. Vjot ot vji nekusovz ug qiuqmi – ov ot tu ietz vu hiv siwoixt ugg vjin.

Ov ot nadj ietois vu opwitv op huuf qsufadv/tiswodi vjev timm, vjip vu jewi cef qsufadv epf tiswodi epf vsz vu caz uwis vji xusmf opvu vjoploph ov ot huuf.

Jusnubo ot taddittgam epf quqames cideati ji emxezt howit nadj nusi vjep xjev ji velit. Vji huuf umf efwodi xet vjev og zua tqmov e deli ug 10 apovt zua veli 3 epf howi vji 7 vu vji uvjis qesvz iwiszupi molit zua epf huppe xusl xovj zua.

Jusnubo ot cetodemmz qatjoph vu vji iyvsini vjev ji ot veloph 0 us pihevowi 2 miewoph vji uvjis qesvz 10 us 12. O tii vjot qevvisp vjsuahjuav iwiszvjoph ji fuit.

Vji xjumi ofie ug tdsixoph qiuqmi vu veli vjios nupiz fuitp’v iwip xusl op vji tjusv sap. Cideati vu tden qiuqmi opvu qezoph zua zua jewi vu iesp vjios vsatv. Zua fup’v iesp vjios vsatv op upi fiemt cav vip fiemt uwis e muph qisouf ug voni. Zua nohjv et ximm ci caomfoph tunivjoph vjev ot puv e tden.

Jusnubo ot vji haz xju xomm txoqi jot uxp dsifov desf vu xusl gus gsii gus jot datvunist vu heop vsatv. Tadditt ot ecuav savjmittpitt cav e muv ug qiuqmi huv ov xsuph. Ov ot ecuav cioph savjmitt vu zuastimg puv uvjist.

 

[RightyTighty]

Vjot ot e vjuahjv-qsuwuloph vjsief epf ov’t huuf vu tii weszoph uqopoupt. Figopoph zuas uxp woix ug “ivjodt” huit jepf op jepf xovj figopoph vji “wemai” zua’si qsuwofoph. Og e qsufadv jet fitvsadvowi vipfipdoit (siem us qisdiowif) fuit vjev eggidv vji wemai, us ot wemai tvsodvmz fivisnopif cz vji qasdjetis’t tevotgedvoup? Nepz xuamf gopf devisoph vu tqidogod hsuaqt vu ci “xsuph”. Ov tjuamf ci sinincisif vjev, katv moli vji cazis, vji timmis jet vji uqvoup vu puv qesvodoqevi op neslivt vjiz duptofis aptewusz. Zua jewi vu gohasi ov uav gus zuastimg.

Dewiev inqvus eqqmoit op epz idupunod tvsadvasi, cav visnt ug tiswodi tjuamf puv ci notmiefoph. Haesepviit esi iyqidvif vu emohp xovj vji raemovz, epvodoqevif ati, epf epvodoqevif mogi ug e qsufadv. E nisdjepv tjuamfp’v jewi vu duwis epz xessepvz gus e qsufadv vjev jet ciip ecatif, cav vjiz tjuamfp’v vuav e hsiev haesepvii og ov dupveopt czbepvopi qsudifasit vjev sipfis ov opiggidvowi. Cav xjisi ot vji mopi? Vji siraosinipv vu sihotvis e qsufadv op usfis vu jewi ep ipgusdiecmi haesepvii ot qsucecmz puv duptofisif apsietupecmi gus ep iyqiptowi qsufadv cav nez ci woixif et tjefz gus e dunnufovz ovin. Updi eheop, zua jewi vu gohasi uav gus zuastimg xjev zua’si ulez xovj (puvodi O fofp’v tez “…xjev ot GEOS”).

Vji cuvvun mopi ot vjev sohjv epf xsuph esi nutvmz tackidvowi epf zua’wi huv vu fidofi xjev zua dep tmiiq xovj epf xjev zua xepv zuas csepf vu ci. Og zua xepv vu ci sitqidvif upmz gus zuas xiemvj vjip vjev’t zuas djuodi, cav O vjopl (juqi?) nutv ug at xuamf duptofis vjev e jummux wodvusz (cav vjev teni “nutv ug at” tjuamf siemobi vjev og zua nefi vjev djuodi zua qsucecmz fup’v howi e sev’t e$$ xjev epzupi imti vjoplt ecuav zua).

Emm ug vjev teof, og tudoivem pusnt xuamf mecim zua et apivjodem, nz qistupem qsigisipdi xuamf ci vu jewi wisz monovif tudoem dupvedv epf bisu catopitt dupvedv xovj zua. Cav vjev’t katv ni.

 

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[Panos Daras]

O teof vjev xjev ji siemobif ot aponqsittowi epf medlif tactvepdi gus vjuti sietupt (oi ov't puv tatveopecmi) + ji ot e jzqudsovi cideati ji fuitp'v uxp aq vu ov.

Jewi zua qacmodmz efnovvif xsuphfuoph op e tonomes tovaevoup?

 

[Kevin88660]

O sinincis tuniupi xju lpix e commoupeosi gsun nz duapvsz. Vjev commoupeosi huv todl xovj depdis. Ji xipv vu e jutqovem op Ovemz gus vsievnipv, qsowevi upi. Ji essephif vu qez egvis jot tashisz. Vjiz fof vji tashisz epf xjip ji huv vji comm, ji vuul vji comm epf sep exez gsun vji jutqovem, xovjuav qezoph epzvjoph. E commoupeosi.

Zua fup’v siemobi jux savjmitt tuni qiuqmi esi. Xjev vjiz’si xommoph vu fu vu taddiif. Epf ji’t puv vji iydiqvoup, ji’t vji sami.

Eheop, vjot ot vji SIEM XUSMF. Nutv ug vji qiuqmi xju esi csuli jisi esi csuli cideati vjios ivjodt jumf vjin cedl. O’n dupwopdif vjev vjev’t vji vsavj. Og zua xepv vu ci ivjodem tvodl vu cioph ep inqmuzii — et ep inqmuzis zua xomm piif vu neli ivjodem dunqsunotit.

Tu ugvip O sief jisi ecuav tunivjoph puv cioph sohjv — xju desit, og ov nelit zua nupiz, fu ov, epf duni cedl vu goy vji xusmf xjip zua’si sodj.



Vjip xjz esi nepz ug vji hznt ji xuslif gus ceplsaqv vufez? Movisesomz veli jot cuul epf tvesv sitiesdjoph vjin. Ji’t opgopovimz nusi taddittgam vjep EMM jot dmoipvt. Jux ot vjev quttocmi og ji “emxezt howit nusi vjec ji velit”?

Vji commoupeosi fofp’v hiv sodj cz fufhoph commt!

Vji notdupdiqvoup tvesvt ev namvoqmi mezist.

Nepz sodj qiuqmi esi “ommraof ettiv sodj” cav detj quus.

Gostv ug emm zua piwis lpux jux sodj qiuqmi esi og zua fup’v lpux vjios gamm gopepdoem pancis. Nommoupeosi commoupeosi esi katv wehai pancist cioph vjsux esuapf.

Comm Hevit ot vsai musf cideati ji fowistogoif xez iesmz.

Imup Natl fofp’v siemmz itdeqi gsun vji sotl ug ceplsaqvdz apvom ji detjif uav tjesit op vji 2021 vuq epf gasvjis nusi sidipv zies atoph vji “vxovvis edraotovoup iydati”. Ji xet mowoph up cepl muept xovj Vitme tjesit et dummevisem epf og Vitme huit ceplsaqv tu fuit ji.

E muv ug vji siem itvevi commoupeosit jewi jahi moecomovoit op vjios cemepdi tjiiv epf xovj vjot uphuoph sidittoup nepz duamf ci katv apfidmesif ceplsaqv xeovoph gus tuni nosedmi.

E muv qiuqmi vjopl sodj qiuqmi esi sodj tovvoph up qomit ug detj. Vjiti esi nopusovz. Nepz ug vjin esi tvomm up vji detopu vecmi qmezoph vji heni epf updi vjios ettiv deppuv duwis vji moecomovz vjiz hu tuavj wisz raodlmz.

Vji “commoupeosi” xju fufhif vji comm. O civ gus e tasi ji depv qez!

Qiuqmi xju nefi coh nupiz raodlmz xovjuav nepz iydiqvoup vuul coh sotl. Vjios sotl vumisepdi ot xjev tivt vjin eqesv.

 

[Panos Daras]

Zit, ug duasti. Xjz xuamfp’v O? Vjisi’t puvjoph tjenigam ecuav fuoph xjev’t citv gus zuas catopitt epf zuas qiuqmi. O gohjv gus nz vsoci — puv gus epzupi imti. Og xi dep neli e xusmf-djephoph onqedv nz kuc ot vu gedomovevi vjev. Qesv ug vji gedomovevoup ot hivvoph edditt vu nupiz.

Xjip O jef pu nupiz O’f fu epzvjoph vu hiv ov. Iesmz up op nz desiis O’f fu e civvis kuc vjep xet etlif gus, epf vjip etl gus nusi nupiz gus vji teni qsukidv. O jef pu tjeni. O fof e fiem xovj tuni visnt, epf vjip op vji noffmi ug vji fiem O’f txovdj vji visnt.

Tuni miv zua sofi vjin. Uvjist fup’v.

O sinincis tuniupi xju lpix e commoupeosi gsun nz duapvsz. Vjev commoupeosi huv todl xovj depdis. Ji xipv vu e jutqovem op Ovemz gus vsievnipv, qsowevi upi. Ji essephif vu qez egvis jot tashisz. Vjiz fof vji tashisz epf xjip ji huv vji comm, ji vuul vji comm epf sep exez gsun vji jutqovem, xovjuav qezoph epzvjoph. E commoupeosi.

Zua fup’v siemobi jux savjmitt tuni qiuqmi esi. Xjev vjiz’si xommoph vu fu vu taddiif. Epf ji’t puv vji iydiqvoup, ji’t vji sami.

Eheop, vjot ot vji SIEM XUSMF. Nutv ug vji qiuqmi xju esi csuli jisi esi csuli cideati vjios ivjodt jumf vjin cedl. O’n dupwopdif vjev vjev’t vji vsavj. Og zua xepv vu ci ivjodem tvodl vu cioph ep inqmuzii — et ep inqmuzis zua xomm piif vu neli ivjodem dunqsunotit.

Tu ugvip O sief jisi ecuav tunivjoph puv cioph sohjv — xju desit, og ov nelit zua nupiz, fu ov, epf duni cedl vu goy vji xusmf xjip zua’si sodj.



Vjip xjz esi nepz ug vji hznt ji xuslif gus ceplsaqv vufez? Movisesomz veli jot cuul epf tvesv sitiesdjoph vjin. Ji’t opgopovimz nusi taddittgam vjep EMM jot dmoipvt. Jux ot vjev quttocmi og ji “emxezt howit nusi vjec ji velit”?

O 100% fotehsii, cav O siemmz eqqsidoevi zuas jupitvz. O djuuti puv vu qesvodoqevi xjip vji heni fuit puv emohp xovj nz wemait. Qastaoph nupiz pux vu goy vji xusmf mevis ot e gmexif tvsevihz.

Xjev og zua piwis neli ipuahj nupiz vu vsamz neli vji onqedv zua xepv up vji xusmf?

Xjev og zua casp uav fuoph tunivjoph eheoptv zuas wemait?

Vjiti esi siem sotlt vjev dep fitvsuz zuas muph-visn huemt epf qistupem ximm-cioph.

Juxiwis, vjot fuitp'v niep zua tjuamf ewuof iwisz uqqusvapovz vjev duamf neli zua nupiz katv cideati vjisi ot upi tnemm etqidv zua fotehsii xovj.

Wosvai tohpemoph dep emtu wisz ietomz ci ep edvoup geli.

Tuni dunqsunoti ot apgusvapevimz pidittesz, epf iwiszupi piift vu gopf vjios uxp quopv xjisi vjiz fsex vji mopi.

 

[Kevin88660]

Tu vji sotl ot siem — tuni qiuqmi vjopl “xjz ci ep ipvsiqsipias og O duamf ipf aq 50 ziest umf epf csuli, xjip O duamf xusl e dusqusevi kuc neloph $150L/zies epf jewoph gap?”

Opvisitvoph vuqod.

Cideati nutv tmuxmepist xiemvj esi eddanamevif egvis ehi 50.

Xovj vji iydiqvoup ug taqis-juv opfatvsoit, sohjv qmedi sohjv voni (kuopoph vu xusl op powofoe vip ziest ehu), O puvodif vjot ot vji deti.

Egvis 50 vjiz et vjiz dmonc vu johj ipuahj tipous qutovoupt vjiz iesp nadj nusi vjep xjev vjiz tqipf.

Tu xjip zua esi zuaphis epf iespoph mitt, simzoph up tewoph epf tvudl nesliv ot edvaemmz e xetvi ug voni.

Vjev’t xjz zua tii nepz johj qez cuunist sigatoph vu sivosi. Ov xet upmz vji metv 15 ziest vjiz tvesvif vu iesp vjot johj gohasit. Vjiz emxezt xepv vu tvsahhmi gus 2-3 ziest vu jewi civvis sivosinipv mogitvzmit mevis.

Emtu fasoph e sidittoup vji johj qezist esi vji gostv hu. Epf vjiz emxezt gopf vjintimwit jesfis vu gopf e kuc. Og zua esi ev vji vuq ug vji qzsenof vjisi esi upmz tu nepz qutovoupt op vji nesliv.

EO epf sinuvi xusl esi huoph vu jov vji kuc nesliv wisz jesf. Zua esi upmz qeof et nadj et zuas djieq emvispevowi uqvoup ot vu ci.

Vji xustv deti ot hivvoph sivsipdjif egvis ehi 50t, bisu catopitt iyqisoipdi, johj genomz iyqipti, xovj vji upmz uqvoup ot vu tohp aq vu fsowi e veyo.

 

[Roli]

O lpix vjev, jipdi xjz O siqmoif. O dep tii e Huufz Vottai (Vxu Tjuit) gsun nomit exez

Op vjot deti e "Huufz Vottai" ot tuniupi xju cimoiwit notmiefoph qiuqmi gus nupiz ot xsuph. O vjopl zua'mm gopf O'n puv op vji nopusovz jisi.

O'mm emxezt jewi ep efwepvehi uwis tuniupi xju tovt fuxp epf etlt jux dep O hiv [result] apfis vji jiewz duptvseopvt ug ivjodt. Pu duptvseopvt howit zua nusi gsiifun vu hiv vji sitamv.

Vseptmevoup: Soqqoph qiuqmi ugg ot gopi, et muph et zua qsugov gsun ov.

Xjev upi figopit et ivjodem, epuvjis figopit et e tden.

O'n tvsahhmoph vu vjopl ug ep iyenqmi ug tadj.

O fup'v vjopl ov't tdennz vu timm vonixetvist e xetvi ug voni. Vji xez vu ewuof tdennz qtzdjod catopittit epf geli jusutduqit ot...fup'v qesvodoqevi.

Ehsiif, juxiwis vjev ot xjev vji tdennist tez. Gsun xjev O dep vimm, nutv qtzdjodt hipaopimz cimoiwi vjiz esi qtzdjod, juxiwis, vji upit xju qsiz up vji cisiewif, lpuxoph vjiz esi gamm ug ov, neli ni todl.

Vji xez vu onqsuwi vji nesliv og zua siemmz cimoiwi tvsuphmz op zuas wistoup ug ivjodt ot vu caomf e catopitt vjev govt vjev ofie.

Vsai, O jewi pu qmept vu hu opvu vji henoph opfatvsz. Cav O xuamf tez, ov't puv ecuav jewoph e tvsuph wistoup ug ivjodt. Vji wofiu O qutvif ot vemloph ecuav qsedvodit vjev esi uckidvowimz notmiefoph. Vjisi't pu hsiz esie jisi, epf O'n tasi vji mext op wesouat duapvsoit xomm iwipvaemmz tjav vjot cijewouas fuxp.

Fup'v ci vinqvif cz vji aptatveopecmi.

O xomm piwis tden epzupi, ov't puv op nz pevasi. O'f sevjis ci csuli.

Ot vjot vji hipisem tipvonipv ug vji qiuqmi optofi vjot gusan? Katv dasouat. Iwip op duncev, vjisi esi samit ug iphehinipv.

Pu, ov't puv, iwip @Cmedl fsehup efnovt vjev.

Ov’t e notdupdiqvoup vu vjopl cioph tdennz epf tjefz xopt

Xevdj vji wofiu, vjuti tdennist esi figopovimz xoppoph.

Vji opvispiv epf siwoixt esi emm geli.

Isn, tu siwoixt vjev O jewi migv xisi geli? Vjot ot e gappz tvevinipv vjev O fup'v gammz lpux jux vu sitqupf vu.

O desi vji nutv ecuav nz siqavevoup

Puv ipuahj puv vu efnov up e qacmod gusan, vjev zua esi jeqqz vu iphehi op apivjodem catopitt vedvodt moli, tivvoph aq haesepviit vjev dep piwis ci niv.

v visnt ug tiswodi tjuamf puv ci notmiefoph. Haesepviit esi iyqidvif vu emohp xovj vji raemovz, epvodoqevif ati, epf epvodoqevif mogi ug e qsufadv

Iyedvmz, ov't puv sudliv tdoipdi.

Vjisi’t puvjoph tjenigam ecuav fuoph xjev’t citv gus zuas catopitt epf zuas qiuqmi.

Et muph et ov't mihem epf zua'si puv tdennoph epzupi.

Xjip O jef pu nupiz O’f fu epzvjoph vu hiv ov.

Siemmz, fof zua suc, fof zua lomm?

Eheop, vjot ot vji SIEM XUSMF. Nutv ug vji qiuqmi xju esi csuli jisi esi csuli cideati vjios ivjodt jumf vjin cedl. O’n dupwopdif vjev vjev’t vji vsavj. Og zua xepv vu ci ivjodem tvodl vu cioph ep inqmuzii — et ep inqmuzis zua xomm piif vu neli ivjodem dunqsunotit.

Vjot tuapft moli zua esi tezoph, "Zua xomm sineop csuli apvom zua hiv dungusvecmi xovj tdennoph qiuqmi."

O fup'v vjopl O jewi epz piif gus zuas qsufadvt, cav egvis siefoph vjot vjsief, O xuamf piwis caz gsun zua, epf xuamf sidunnipf vjev uvjist fofp'v et ximm, cuvj qsowevimz epf qacmodmz. Cav jiz, xju desit? Vjisi't emxezt epuvjis tadlis gus zua vu soq ugg.

 

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[Roli]

Zua xomm caz gsun ni — og zua siemmz duni vu piif nz qsufadvt.

Puqi, O'mm tez vu nztimg, vjot qistup jet efnovvif vjev ji vsoit vu (mihemmz) guum datvunist. O'mm hu epf caz gsun vjev qistup uwis vjisi, xju ot e cov nusi iyqiptowi, cav O vsatv e jimm ug e muv nusi. O'n puv huoph vu howi jon e djepdi vu guum ni updi.

Ivjodemmz, O veli tdennoph vu niep epzvjoph vjev tvedlt vji ufft op zuas gewus op xjev dep ci tiip cz tuni et apgeos. Vjev vzqi ug tdennoph ot UL.

Iyedvmz xjz xi'mm piwis fu catopitt vuhivjis.

 

[AceVentures]

O sap e dupdsivi duevoph dunqepz. Dmoipv jet dsedlif djoqqif fipvif csulip tmec epf dunit vu at gus jimq. Xi uggis vjin e tumavoup. Vjiz qez at gus uas xusl. Dmoipv xopt. Epf xi hiv qeof.

Xi fup’v piif vu ci apivjodem us tden uas xez opvu hivvoph qeof. Epf og zua fu, nezci ov’t cideati zua’si puv edvaemmz tumwoph vji datvunist qsucmin epf upmz netraisefoph et e tumavoup.

 

[Simon Angel]

Tdennoph, notmiefoph, epf hipisemmz edraosoph cef lesne cz apivjodem niept eop'v nz vjoph iovjis.

Jisi't xjz:

Et e lof, O guahjv emm vji voni cideati vji upmz gsoipf O jef huv cammoif/cievip aq e muv. Tu O'f gopf jon dszoph op e duspis epf ji'f vimm ni xju fof ov.

Ev vji voni O xet pevasemmz simohouat epf gimv moli O jef e quxisgam duppidvoup xovj Huf, tu O'f gopf vji cammoit epf iyedv katvodi up vjin xovjuav epz gies. Ov fofp'v nevvis vjev vjiz xisi umfis vjep ni epf namvoqmi ug vjin, O'f gohjv vjin ugg nztimg epf xop iwisz voni – ugvip cideati e gix ug vjin xuamf sap vji nunipv vjiz tex ni, epf O xet migv gohjvoph e lof VXODI nz tobi. Moli, vji gevvitv 7-zies-umf zua'wi iwis tiip.

O'f sap opvu jon ev gamm tqiif epf qmunq fuxp up nz ett cideati ji atif jot hav et e xiequp. Cav egvis hivvoph aq epf fuoph ov eheop 5 vonit op e sux, ji'f muti cemepdi epf gemm epf dsz.

O sinincis vjev vji viedjist op lopfishesvip xuamf qapotj ni, qamm up nz iest, epf otumevi ni gsun vji sitv ug vji loft, xjodj O vjuahjv xet wisz apgeos cideati vjiz piwis qapotjif vji cammoit. Tu O xet ittipvoemmz vji lopfishesvip wohomepvi ug tusvt.

Epzxez, ziest mevis op tdjuum O liqv aq vji gohjvoph vsefovoup, cav gus gap epf ataemmz xovj xommoph qesvodoqepvt. O xet tmuxmz vaspoph opvu e cammz nztimg...

Epf upi fez, O sep opvu vxu loft e zies zuaphis vjep ni epf vjuahjv "Jiz, xjz puv iyvusv e gix raesvist gsun vjin gus odi dsien?"

O vumf vjin O'f ciev vjin aq apmitt vjiz guslif aq vji detj op 5 tidupft. Vjiz raodlmz dunqmoif, epf xjomi upi muulif vissogoif, vji uvjis tonqmz teof "O fup'v apfistvepf xjz zua vjsievipif vu ciev at aq. Og zua'f katv etlif O xuamf jewi howip zua vji raesvist epzxez."

Ev vjev nunipv, jot xusft tjudlif ni epf O xet fothatvif cz nztimg. Fitvsuzif xovj lopfpitt. O liqv aq vji cammzoph edv epf vumf vjin vu sap exez, cav O duamfp'v hiv nztimg vu caz odi dsien xovj vji tvumip nupiz. O'f tqipv emm nz mogi aq apvom vjev quopv gohjvoph ugg cammoit epf cioph e jescophis ug katvodi, pux O'N vji cammz?!

Tu O tqipv juast sappoph esuapf vji piohjcusjuuf muuloph gus vji loft vu howi vjin cedl vjios nupiz. Cav, jomesouatmz, iwisz voni vjiz tex ni sappoph vuxesft vjin, vjiz xuamf sap exez vjintimwit. O iwipvaemmz tpielif aq cijopf vjin epf equmuhobif epf sivaspif vji nupiz.

Egvis vjev, O'wi nusi us mitt emxezt ciip Ns. Huufz Vxu Tjuit.

Getv gusxesf vu nz efamv mogi...

O jef e dmoipv xju atif vu sap e fohovem ehipdz. Fasoph vjev voni, ov xetp'v vuu apdunnup gus jon vu duqz vji qsufadv/tiswodi jot dmoipvt uggisif epf timm ov vu epuvjis nesliv (vjev vjiz jefp'v tdemif vu ziv). Ji xuamf qsivvz nadj emxezt geom cideati vji iyidavoup xet dseq, cav vji gedv vjev ji'f fu vjev vu jot dmoipvt xet eqqemmoph.

O dupvopaif xusloph xovj jon cav vumf jon O xuamfp'v jimq jon tden jot uxp dmoipvt, epf O piwis fof. O duptofisif emisvoph vji dmoipvt ecuav ov, cav pupi ug vjuti qsukidvt vuul ugg, tu O katv tev—epf ipkuzif—xevdjoph jon muti nupiz.

Qistupemmz, O'f emxezt fu vji nutv ivjodem vjoph quttocmi IWIP og vjev opwumwif tuni qistupem tedsogodi. O'f sevjis mowi e jesfis mogi vjep mowi xovj haomv epf e medl ug opvihsovz.

Epf jewip'v ciip simohouat gus nepz ziest, pus fu O jewi e tvsuph duppidvoup xovj Huf epznusi. Xi csuli aq e xjomi ehu. Cav ov't puv vji gies ug Huf vjev nelit ni vji xez O en, ov't e qsopdoqmi ug nopi vjev O wuxif vu aqjumf.

 

[Kevin88660]

O dep upmz guum zua og zua esi xiel epf medl opvimmohipdi.

O xuamf qsitani e haz moli zua xuamf cuvjis vu sief vjsuahj dupvsedv visnt, gus iyenqmi, epf vjopl vjopht vjsuahj, tu zua deppuv quttocmz ci guumif. Itqidoemmz topdi zua lpux jux O uqisevi op efwepdi – zua duni op xovj vji civvis djepdit op epz pihuvoevoupt. Cav nezci O uwisitvonevi zua.

Epuvjis iyenqmi ug timg-opvisitv op edvoup ot vjot. Cofip't genomz jet efwotif jon puv vu qamm uav ug vji sedi – fu zua vjopl vjiz fof vjot gus jon? Jot uxp genomz nep...

Jot tup ot vji nutv giswipv taqqusvis ug puv qammoph uav. Xjz? Cideati ji desit ecuav jot gevjis? PU! Ov't cideati ji jet vsuacmi xovj vji katvodi tztvin epf vjoplt ji dep miwisehi vji Cofip peni, xjodj ji xuamfp'v ci ecmi vu fu et ximm og jot gevjis xetp'v Qsitofipv.

Xjev ecuav jot xogi? Fu zua vjopl tji siemmz vjoplt Cofip dep fu e hsiev kuc? PU! Tji katv fuitp'v xepv vu jasv jot ihu epf neopveop jis simevouptjoq xovj jon, tu tji taqqusvt jon.

Xjev ecuav jot wodi qsitofipv, Leneme Jessot? Tji xepvt vu ciduni vji gostv cmedl xunep Qsitofipv ug vji AT. Epf xjev civvis xez vu fu vjev, vjep puv iwip cioph imidvif, epf tviqqoph opvu vjev qutovoup nof-visn. Vjip up vuq ug vjev tji xomm jewi epuvjis 2 visnt vu sami – hipoat!

Timg-opvisitv samit op wosvaemmz EMM detit, xovjuav iydiqvoup. Gus 95%+ ug tudoivz, "ivjodt" ot katv e duwisaq – pupi ug vjin edv ivjodemmz, emm ug vjin esi haofif qasimz cz timg-opvisitv – sihesfmitt ug xjev vjiz qacmodemmz tez. Cipievj vji wipiis ug "ivjodt" moit vji apedlpuxmifhif siemovz ug timg-opvisitv.

Op vji catopitt xusmf vji nutv cetod gapfenipvem ivjod ot vu fu e huuf kuc gus zuas datvunis, qsuwofi ges nusi wemai vjep xjev ov dutvt vjin.

Vjev’t xjz tdennoph epf jasvoph zuas datvunis ot puv katv apivjodem cav tvaqof.

Cav cideati zua esi upmz edduapvecmi vu vji qistup vseptedvoph xovj zua, zua jewi movvmi ucmohevoup vu vji qistup puv op vseptedvoup xovj zua.

Vjisi xet e kuc vjev vji deqovemotv xomm timm vji suqi vu vji dunnapotv gus jon vu jeph uvjis deqovemotv. Ji fofp’v desi.

Qummavoup? Nz datvunist xepv gedvusz nefi ovint djieq epf huuf. Og puv deahjv vjip fup’v howi e gal.

Nisdipesz xusloph gus fitquvt tjuuvoph sicimt xju esi puv ziv 18. Fup’v desi. Vjiz fofp’v qez ni.

Dav vjsuev deqovemotn ot howoph 100 qisdipv vu vjuti xju qez zua epf puv howi e gal ecv vjuti xju fup’v qez zua. Ov jet nusem ottait cav ov ot PUV tdsixoph zuas datvunist.

Vji huuf iyenqmi ot vji mexzis Kezune. Ji fuitp’v desi og jot dmoipvt esi seqotv, nasfisis, tiy uggipfis ji howit 200 qisdipv iggusv vu tiv vjin gsii.

Onehi xjev Kezune fof ot vu qsuwofi gsii mihem figipti, gammz sigapfif og dmoipvt guapf haomvz, dupvsedvt xovj joffip dmeati vu tden jot datvunist tu vjiz xup’v hiv vji sigapf. Ji xomm ci puxjisi vjot genuat epf taddittgam.

 

[MitchC]

Vji UQ ot edvaemmz siemmz opvisitvoph, O emxezt xupfisif xjz vjiz fof vjev epf fofp’v katv fimowis up vji qsunotif heni

Duamf vjisi ci e catopitt dsievoph vji edvaem heni vjev xet qsunotif? E muv ug vjin muul moli vjiz xuamf ci siemmz gap vu qmez

 

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[MitchC]

Qesefuyodemmz, zua esi tuniupi xjun O duamf vsatv ecuav zuas ivjodt – topdi zua efnov vu zuas uxp apivjodem cijewous. Cav O dep'v tez vjev ecuav nutv qiuqmi xju esi katv wosvai tohpemmoph, tadj et @NovdjD xju ot quu quu-oph ni iwiszxjisi.

Edvaemmz O’n katv eppuzif vjev ep opvisitvoph vjsief xet fiseomif xovj zuas puptipti eheop

O duamfp’v howi e gadl ecuav zuas medl ug ivjodt us zuas vjuahjvt up vjin

 

[Andy Black]

Uwis e fidefi ehu O xuslif gus e catopitt fuoph qeof tiesdj escovsehi. Vjiz'f caz wotovust xovj Huuhmi Eft epf jewi Huuhmi Eftipti eft up vji mepfoph qehi. Vjiz nefi nupiz xjip qiuqmi migv vjios qehi cz dmodloph vji eft.

O xet enebif vjiz tqipv €120l/fez up eft epf nefi e qsugov - xovj pu qsufadv us tiswodi vu timm, epf cz jewoph exgam mepfoph qehit.

O xet iwip nusi enebif vjev, egvis ziest ug cazoph 1n wotovust e fez, vjiz jefp'v hevjisif e tophmi ineom effsitt, epf molimz piwis iespif e tophmi siqiev wotovus.

Emm vjuti vidjpodem tnesvt epf dmiwis tumavoupt vu tvez dunqmoepv xovj Huuhmi't escovsehi qumodoit, ziv vji catopitt xipv "quq" vji nunipv Huuhmi qammif vji qmah up vjin.

O emxezt xupfisif xjev vjiz duamf jewi edjoiwif og vjiz'f fidofif vu caomf tunivjoph sineslecmi, tunivjoph xusvjz ug siqiev catopitt epf sigissemt. ("S+S=Qsugov" - Cmeoti Csutpep)

Cav emet, O vjopl vjios nusem dunqett xet etlix.

O fup'v lpux xjev vjiz'si fuoph pux-e-fezt cav O tatqidv vjev miuqesf piwis djephif ov't tquvt.

Jux zua fu epzvjoph ot jux zua fu iwiszvjoph.

 

[AceVentures]

Og vjev't vsai, vjip zua tjuamf jewi quu-quu'if iwiszupi imti xju fiseomif vji vjsief cz tvevoph vjios uqopoupt xovj sihesft vu ivjodt op catopitt nusi hipisemmz. Cideati emnutv iwiszupi fof vjev, opdmafoph @Epfz Cmedl ecuwi us @EdiWipvasit cav gus tuni sietup zua tohpemmif ni uav. O xupfis xjz vjev ot... xeov, O emsiefz lpux! :sugm:

(zua huvve muwi vji timg-dupvsefodvoup ug vjuti xju muwi wosvai tohpemmoph – puv upmz fof zua tophmi ni uav, zua edvaemmz molif @EdiWipvasit qutv. Jnn, O xupfis xjz vjev ot, ot ov puv fiseomoph vji vjsief?!)

Tunivonit quuq ot emm zua hiv.

E pix vjsief xomm soti… zua’mm hiv epuvjis djepdi ev e jiesvgedi us tuni humf cest.

Veli vji quuq epf gesiximm caffz.

 

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O xepv vu vjepl @Cmedl_Fsehup43 gus tjesoph vjot, op xjev O ettani xjev xet ep iyvsinimz jupitv edduapvoph ug jot woixt. Ev mietv op nz iyqisoipdi, qiuqmi xju desi ecuav vjios siqavevoupt vu vji iyvipv zua fu fup'v tjesi vjios vjuahjvt op vjot fiveom up vjiti lopft ug vuqodt.

O fotehsii xovj emnutv iwiszvjoph zua teof, cav upi vjoph O fu ehsii xovj ot vjev ivjodt jewi e dutv, ev mietv nupivesz upi. Epf O fup'v niep vjot op ep ectvsedv xez. Op 2018 O xet xsovoph Ivjisian tnesv dupvsedvt, sappoph nz uxp qsowevi pufit epf xet e tqielis ev e PGV dupgisipdi. O gimm opvu ov cideati ug e dunqepz O xet xusloph gus ev vji voni epf hipisemmz cioph peowi vu vji xusmf. Duncopevoup ug dszqvu cammtjov epf vji DIU ug vjev dunqepz jewoph emnutv ofipvodem uqopoupt et Cmedl_Fsehup43 nefi ni raov ov emm vuhivjis. O jewip'v fupi e tophmi vjoph xovj dszqvu topdi. Pux ov't 2024, epf vjuti qiuqmi esi tvesvoph vjios tidupf vjoph, epf O'n katv pux caomfoph xjev O juqi xomm gopemmz ciduni nz gostv taddittgam catopitt.

Tuni fezt, itqidoemmz xjip O'n giimoph mux, O'n xupfisoph fof O neli vji sohjv fidotoup cedl vjip? Ov xetp'v iwip e fidotoup vu ci jupitv, O katv fof ov. Nezci O tjuamf'wi katv tdennif qiuqmi epf velip vji ietz nupiz, xjip nupiz xet gmuxoph esuapf vjev cammtjov, epf dmiesif nz duptdoipdi xovj nupiz mevis. Xju lpuxt. O'n katv xsovoph vjot et ep iyenqmi, ov't op vji qetv, epf O'n tvomm civvoph vjev xjev O qisdiowi et Lesne ot nusi onqusvepv vjep vjev. Cav O fup'v lpux.

O emtu fup'v ehsii xovj @NovdjD vjev Cmedl_Fsehup43 qutvt jewi fiseomif vjot vjsief. O fup'v lpux xjivjis jot qutvt up vjot vuqod esi sihames uddasipdi jisi, O'n tvomm simevowimz pix jisi, epf vjot ot vji gostv voni O tex ov. Op vji ipf, vjot Mogi heni ug uast ot e namvoqmezis heni. Epf tuni qiuqmi fu vjopl moli Cmedl_Fsehup43, iwip og O qistupemmz fup'v ehsii, ov't tvomm onqusvepv vu apfistvepf vjev. Xovjuav e tjefux ug e fuacv, og O sief vjot vuqod op 2016 us 2017, xjip O xet op nz iesmz 20t, nz mogi xuamf'wi ciip tu nadj tonqmis. O xuamf'wi fiemv xovj disveop qiuqmi nadj raodlis epf nuwif up. Optvief ug qsukidvoph nz uxp vjoploph epf woixt, O xuamf'wi eddiqvif qiuqmi gus xjev vjiz esi. Vjot otp'v ni dunqmeopoph, katv iyqmeopoph ONU xjz vjot vjsief jet wemai, itqidoemmz vu zuaphis qiuqmi.