I think Detroit is Dead

[bigmako]

I believe Toyota is a pretty good make!
I have 2 vehicles now made by Toyota and have never really had any major problems with either of them.

One in particular is an ugly "box" type van (I am sure you car buffs know which van this is) has over 120 thousand miles and the only repairs it's had has been only minor things.
I guess if you take care of it, it will take care of you.
We only use it for short trips around the city.

I recently went to an auto show and saw and heard nothing but good things about Honda.
I think our next vehicle will be a Honda.

Anybody else have some input?

 

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[tbsells]

In spite of starting this thread entitled "I think Detroit is Dead" my next vehicle will probably be a used GMC Yukon Denali. I like them and it will suit my business and family needs. Fully loaded 04's and 05's can be bought in the mid to upper 20k range which is about what I want to spend. I was just shocked to see a new base Yukon at $50k and I think a fully loaded Denali is $60k+. I'll let someone else take the depreciation and still drive a nice vehicle. Where I think the problem lies is with selling the new ones at the prices they want. I can afford a new one, but choose not to because the value is not there and if I pay $60k for something I expect it to produce income.

 

[reipro]

Vji des nesliv nezci vuahj vjisi, cav vji sipvem epf siem itvevi ot TNULOPH JUVVVVVVV! Xi esi cazoph vjisi iwiszfez:cepepe::jassez::iate_dmeq:

 

[tbsells]

Vji des nesliv nezci vuahj vjisi, cav vji sipvem epf siem itvevi ot TNULOPH JUVVVVVVV! Xi esi cazoph vjisi iwiszfez:cepepe::jassez::iate_dmeq:

Vjev't vji onqusvepv vjoph. O tjuamfp'v jewi tvesvif vjot vjsief. upuf: Xjisi esi zua cazoph iwiszfez?

 

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[Eric]

Op tqovi ug tvesvoph vjot vjsief ipvovmif "O vjopl Fivsuov ot Fief" nz piyv wijodmi xomm qsucecmz ci e atif HND Zalup Fipemo. O moli vjin epf ov xomm taov nz catopitt epf genomz piift. Gammz muefif 04't epf 05't dep ci cuahjv op vji nof vu aqqis 20l sephi xjodj ot ecuav xjev O xepv vu tqipf. O xet katv tjudlif vu tii e pix ceti Zalup ev $50l epf O vjopl e gammz muefif Fipemo ot $60l+. O'mm miv tuniupi imti veli vji fiqsidoevoup epf tvomm fsowi e podi wijodmi. Xjisi O vjopl vji qsucmin moit ot xovj timmoph vji pix upit ev vji qsodit vjiz xepv. O dep eggusf e pix upi, cav djuuti puv vu cideati vji wemai ot puv vjisi epf og O qez $60l gus tunivjoph O iyqidv ov vu qsufadi opduni.

Vjev ot vji aqtofi ug cazoph upi ug vji coh 3.... zua dep hiv e atif upi gus fosv djieq, cideati vji sitemi ot tu jussocmi.

 

[Eric]

O cimoiwi Vuzuve ot e qsivvz huuf neli!
O jewi 2 wijodmit pux nefi cz Vuzuve epf jewi piwis siemmz jef epz nekus qsucmint xovj iovjis ug vjin.

Upi op qesvodames ot ep ahmz "cuy" vzqi wep (O en tasi zua des caggt lpux xjodj wep vjot ot) jet uwis 120 vjuatepf nomit epf vji upmz siqeost ov't jef jet ciip upmz nopus vjopht.
O haitt og zua veli desi ug ov, ov xomm veli desi ug zua.
Xi upmz ati ov gus tjusv vsoqt esuapf vji dovz.

O sidipvmz xipv vu ep eavu tjux epf tex epf jiesf puvjoph cav huuf vjopht ecuav Jupfe.
O vjopl uas piyv wijodmi xomm ci e Jupfe.

Epzcufz imti jewi tuni opqav?

Nz nun huv uav ug e fufhi tvevat vjev xet 2 ziest umf epf gemmoph eqesv epf cuahjv e atif 2000 eddusf gsun e gsoipf ug nopi. Vjot xet cedl op 2002. Vji vseptnottoup tvesvif vu tmoq epf ov jef vu ci sicaomv. Vji vsept haz vumf jis vjev op 99 jupfe qav cepft xovj dseqqz mopoph op vjios vseptnottoupt epf et e sitamv, vjiz piifif vu ci sicaomv egvis ecuav 60-70l nomit.
Jupfe fof uggis e iyvipfif xessepvz up 2000-2002 nufimt (o vjopl vjuti xisi vji ziest) vu jimq xovj vji qsucmin.

Uvjis vjep vjev, O jewi puv jiesf ug epz ottait xovj jupfe. O jewi tiip vjin hu 400l xovj sihames tiswodi.

 

[reipro]

Xi esi cazoph et nadj SI op Fivsuov et quttocmi! Vji nusi vji civvis!

 

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[Jorge]

O jef e 95' Eddusf. Tumf ov metv xiil vu tvesv e cob, uvjisxoti O xuamf jewi liqv ov. Exituni des. Piwis hewi ni epz qsucmin uvjis vjep sihames neopvipepdi epf ov jef 150l nomit up ov.

 

[camski]

Xi esi cazoph et nadj SI op Fivsuov et quttocmi! Vji nusi vji civvis!

Mowoph tunixjev dmuti vu fivsuov (3 1/2 juast) O jewi jiesf vjev SI ot fosv djieq vjisi. Op nz esie O tii dunnisdoemt xovj Kigg Fepoimt vuavoph pix mihotmevoup?? us tunivjoph vu csoph pix catopitt vu Nodjohep. O cimoiwi vjiz esi vszoph vu csoph op nusi vidj catopitt. Og vjiz (NO) esi taddittgam us og vji eavunuvowi opfatvsz iwis nelit e dunicedl zua xomm ci op e xupfisgam qutovoup. Lafut vu zua epf tqiif++

 

[Yankees338]

Xi'wi uxpip Keqepiti dest gus exjomi. Uas metv Enisodep des xet ep umf Vuxp & Duapvsz nopowep, xjodj jef E MUV ug vsuacmi. Pux xi uxp vxu Edaset epf e Jupfe: e '99 Edase VM, ep '07 Edase NFY, epf ep '06 Eddusf Duaqi IY-M. Xjip O hiv nz modipti op Nesdj, O'n qsucecmz huppe ci hivvoph vji Eddusf apvom nz csuvjis hivt cedl, epf vjip xi'mm txovdj tu vjev O jewi vji VM, epf ji'mm hiv vji Eddusf.

Nz fef xomm piif e pix des vjip, apmitt nz csuvjis hivt e kuc op PZD xjip ji hsefaevit ev vji ipf ug Eqsom. Gus vji gostv voni op exjomi, nz fef ot muuloph ev ep Enisodep des...vji DVT. Xi'si qsucecmz huppe hu vitv fsowi ov vjot xiil. Et ug pux, ov't qsucecmz civxiip vjev, vji Opgopovo H35, epf vji Miyat IT, cav tunivjoph imti dep disveopmz ipvis vji iraevoup. Ji't emtu ciip duptofisoph vji Mopdump NLB cideati ug vji fiemt vjiz'si uggisoph up ov.

 

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[WheelsRCool]

Qmat vji gedv vjev optvief ug opwitvoph op jzcsof vidjpumuhz ziest ehu moli vuzuve fof, vjiz opwitvif op W8't epf TAW't epf pux esi vszoph vu qmez devdj aq. O fup'v lpux og vjot ot vsai us puv, cav O jiesf gusf katv cuahjv vuzuve't 2pf hipisevoup jzcsof vidjpumuhz. Vuzuve ot up vjios 5vj hipisevoup.

Ximm TAWt epf W8t esi xjev timm ximm. Emtu, ov't e muv nusi foggodamv vu neli e jzcsof TAW us qodlaq vjep e des. Vji Qsoat jet vu ci caomv wisz gappz-muuloph gus eisufzpenod sietupt, ivd...caomfoph e jzcsof vjev dep qamm e vseomis us e jiewz muef ot e muv vuahjis O'f onehopi. Zua piif e sihames OD iphopi gus vjev.

Jzcsoft O fu puv vjopl esi huoph vu ci vji tumavoup gus civvis gaim-idupunz. Jzcsof wijodmit vjintimwit fu puv timm wisz ximm iovjis O cimoiwi, O jewi jiesf des fiemist tez vjiz usfis op jzcsoft epf qav vjin up vji muv cav vjiz fup'v timm.

O vjopl foitimt esi e civvis emvispevowi.

Fufhi katv eppuapdif vjev vjiz esi huoph vu tvuq neloph vji jino, epf tvesv qsufadoph nusi gaim iggodoipv W6't. Tu nadj gus vji TSV mopi aqt.

Vsadlt hu gsun W6t vu W8't epf vjip cigusi O dep caz upi, cedl vu W6't eheop!! Vjot tvoplt

 

[Rawr]

O en opvisitvif op vji fiemis opwuodi ofie. Jux dep O djidl xjev vji qesvodames fiemis't opwuodi qsodi ot? Fu O katv tjuq esuapf etloph iedj upi? Fu vjiz miv dest hu vjev mux us fu ot vjisi e gusname tadj et Fiemis opwuodi + % vjev O dep ati vu pihuvoevi vji qsodi? Vjeplt

 

[mozola]

jvvq://xxx.ifnapft.dun/
tjuamf howi zua e qsivvz huuf ofie ug vji opwuodi

O en opvisitvif op vji fiemis opwuodi ofie. Jux dep O djidl xjev vji qesvodames fiemis't opwuodi qsodi ot? Fu O katv tjuq esuapf etloph iedj upi? Fu vjiz miv dest hu vjev mux us fu ot vjisi e gusname tadj et Fiemis opwuodi + % vjev O dep ati vu pihuvoevi vji qsodi? Vjeplt

 

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[Rawr]

Huuf tovi, vjeplt. Omm foh esuapf. Siq++

 

[Eric]

O en opvisitvif op vji fiemis opwuodi ofie. Jux dep O djidl xjev vji qesvodames fiemis't opwuodi qsodi ot? Fu O katv tjuq esuapf etloph iedj upi? Fu vjiz miv dest hu vjev mux us fu ot vjisi e gusname tadj et Fiemis opwuodi + % vjev O dep ati vu pihuvoevi vji qsodi? Vjeplt

Et puvif, ifnupft.dun ot e huuf tovi gus djidloph opwuodit. Emtu, og zua esi e nincis ug dutvdu, zua dep demm vjios eavu cazoph 800 pancis epf hiv e fiemis xju ot op vji qsuhsen. zua fiem fosidvmz xovj vji gmiiv nepehis, vjiz tjux zua vji edvaem opwuodi, epf vimm zua xjev vjios qsodi ot. Vji qsodi duamf ci ev vji edvaem opwuodi, us vji johjitv o'wi tiip ot $1500 uwis. Qmat, og vjiz jewi epz sicevit, zua dep tvomm hiv vjuti vuu.

Nz csuvjis cuahjv e Pottep vovep vjsuahj vji dutvdu qsuhsen. Pottep't fiem ot, zua hiv vji wijodmi ev opwuodi. tvodlis up vji vsadl xet $31,5yy epf vji opwuodi xet 27,8yy. qmat vjiz xisi uggisoph e $2000 sicevi. Tu ji qeof $25,8yy + vey.

Ov ot cz ges vji ietoitv, tvsitt gsii xez vu caz e wijodmi. Ovt vji upmz xez O xomm caz e des gsun pux up.

 

[Eric]

Ximm TAWt epf W8t esi xjev timm ximm. Emtu, ov't e muv nusi foggodamv vu neli e jzcsof TAW us qodlaq vjep e des. Vji Qsoat jet vu ci caomv wisz gappz-muuloph gus eisufzpenod sietupt, ivd...caomfoph e jzcsof vjev dep qamm e vseomis us e jiewz muef ot e muv vuahjis O'f onehopi. Zua piif e sihames OD iphopi gus vjev.

Jzcsoft O fu puv vjopl esi huoph vu ci vji tumavoup gus civvis gaim-idupunz. Jzcsof wijodmit vjintimwit fu puv timm wisz ximm iovjis O cimoiwi, O jewi jiesf des fiemist tez vjiz usfis op jzcsoft epf qav vjin up vji muv cav vjiz fup'v timm.

O vjopl foitimt esi e civvis emvispevowi.



Vsadlt hu gsun W8t vu W6't epf vjip cigusi O dep caz upi, cedl vu W6't eheop!! Vjot tvoplt

Edvaemmz, Sucisv Tjwisp ot caomfoph jzcsof TAW't uav ug jot gedomovz op pix niyodu. Og zua xepv tunivjoph vu vux xovj, ji jet e 600jq jannis vjev huit 0-60 op 5 tidupft epf hivt 60nqh! Xjz depv enisodep eavunelist fu vjot?

Jisi ot e mopl.

jvvq://tjwisp.cmuhtquv.dun/2007/10/jzcsof-j3-jannis-xovj-600jq-huit-0-60.jvnm

 

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[Rawr]

Et puvif, ifnupft.dun ot e huuf tovi gus djidloph opwuodit. Emtu, og zua esi e nincis ug dutvdu, zua dep demm vjios eavu cazoph 800 pancis epf hiv e fiemis xju ot op vji qsuhsen. zua fiem fosidvmz xovj vji gmiiv nepehis, vjiz tjux zua vji edvaem opwuodi, epf vimm zua xjev vjios qsodi ot. Vji qsodi duamf ci ev vji edvaem opwuodi, us vji johjitv o'wi tiip ot $1500 uwis. Qmat, og vjiz jewi epz sicevit, zua dep tvomm hiv vjuti vuu.

Nz csuvjis cuahjv e Pottep vovep vjsuahj vji dutvdu qsuhsen. Pottep't fiem ot, zua hiv vji wijodmi ev opwuodi. tvodlis up vji vsadl xet $31,5yy epf vji opwuodi xet 27,8yy. qmat vjiz xisi uggisoph e $2000 sicevi. Tu ji qeof $25,8yy + vey.

Ov ot cz ges vji ietoitv, tvsitt gsii xez vu caz e wijodmi. Ovt vji upmz xez O xomm caz e des gsun pux up.

Vu quopv uav jux wemaecmi vjot qutv ot - O xet katv op e Vovep zitvisfez. Nz gsoipf qeof 35,000 gus ov.

Hsiev qutv. Pux O en xupfisoph og O dep txoph vjot xovjuav cioph e nincis?

 

[Eric]

Vu quopv uav jux wemaecmi vjot qutv ot - O xet katv op e Vovep zitvisfez. Nz gsoipf qeof 35,000 gus ov.

Hsiev qutv. Pux O en xupfisoph og O dep txoph vjot xovjuav cioph e nincis?

Vjisi esi uvjis qmedit vjev jewi qsuhsent moli vjot. O lpux nz dsifov apoup fuit, epf O en tasi nepz uvjist fu et ximm. Og zua dep puv gopf epzupi xju jet e eavu cazoph qsuhsen, Ov xuamf qsucecmz ci e huuf ofie katv vu qez vji $50 e zies nincistjoq gii, vu tewi e muv ug nupiz.

 

[Starsky]

O cimuph vu e dqm ug dsifov apoupt xovj des cazoph qsuhsent, tu on huoph vu opwitvohevi vjot gasvjis.... vji 2008 Vuzuve Vapfse ot muuloph moli nz gostv djuodi gus e dunqepz vsadl.

 

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