I'm worried about the real estate market right now

[Kid]

This exact prediction has been realized and going on for a long time in Chicago, even before the pandemic! The scare tactic they used was crime and violence which they started incessantly calling Chicago "ChiRaq" to push that are city is so scary and dangerous, same as Iraq.

Out of state investors and successful companies want all of our lakefront property for their employees who don't want to drive or commute via public transportation to work... but want to walk and bike instead. They acquire the most desirable properties and locations by manufacturing a reason to push everyone out.

Every one is looking to the right, where the false story is being told, while all the real and truth of what is really going on is happening to the left.

Just recently have read that Chicago has some average 15 people killed over weekends.
People do read newspapers, statistics like that make impression and people make life decisions based on what they've read.
Is 15 a lot? Is it more than in NY or Washington?

The point is that public is being manipulated on few occasions.
From small things like what's is latest corporate "trend" to being scared out of own city and selling property at slashed prices.

Striking things happened with our neighbours. When the Fed announced zero interest rates and QE policy, the borrowed money became essentially free.

Just as side note: China did it in recent 5 years. Money ended up in stock market and created bubble that promptly burst.

If you think we'll face inflation, then it'll all make sense.

I don't know how much Canada has printed but states approach $5trillion of printed money in last 12 months alone.


Back to the topic.

Basically what i see in renting market (family RE) is that rents hold still even while there is little to no renters.
That goes against typical economic principle of demand and supply.

Owners probably try to wait out the situation without making any decision.

What's next?
A gap might occur between owners patience (plus cash flow) and economy recovery.
If recovery will overlap, market will return to "old normal" minus those who decided to move out of big cities.

If not, there will be short term panic sell off until renters will come back to market.
Basically its a question of how much money was saved by owners and how long they can pay non occupied units expenses.

It would also be interesting to know how many people did in fact moved out of big cities.
Having such number might allow to approximate lost revenue for existing commercial real estates.

 

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Cetodemmz xjev o tii op sipvoph nesliv (genomz SI) ot vjev sipvt jumf tvomm iwip xjomi vjisi ot movvmi vu pu sipvist.
Vjev huit eheoptv vzqodem idupunod qsopdoqmi ug finepf epf taqqmz.

UNH ZIT!!! O vjuahjv O xet dsebz gus puvodoph vjev, cav O en puv!!!

Ov xuamf emtu ci opvisitvoph vu lpux jux nepz qiuqmi fof op gedv nuwif uav ug coh dovoit.

Zit, et ximm et jux nepz ug vjin xomm edvaemmz tvez vjisi...Pix Zuslist vjev xipv vu Gmusofe emsiefz nott Pix Zusl, gus iyenqmi.


Uwisemm, O en wisz tliqvodem ecuav vji dassipv gsipbz iwiszxjisi.

1. SI ot optepimz uwisqsodif op Csattimt, sipv esi opdsietoph xjomi vipepvt esi fidsietoph. Vjot ot nefpitt.
2. Vji tvudl nesliv ot optepimz uwisqsodif.
3. Nz dszqvu qusvgumou fof 150% topdi nof-Gicsaesz. O tumf emnutv emm ug vjin epf detjif uav.

 

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O katv deni edsutt vjot op ep eqqseotem pixtmivvis...

"Opfatvsoem Qsuqisvz Wemait Aq; Monovif Taqqmz Jopfist Nesliv: Feve
Opfatvsoem qsuqisvz wemait jewi opdsietif 8.8% fasoph vji qetv zies xjomi xesijuati qsuqisvz wemait suti 10%, eddusfoph vu e siqusv gsun siem itvevi feve gosn Siem Deqovem Epemzvodt, XiemvjNepephinipv.dun siqusvif Nedj 22. Wemait esi iyqidvif vu dupvopai sotoph fai vu opdsietif finepf epf duptvseopif taqqmz; gedomovoit op meshi quqamevoup dipvist tjuamf tii vji hsievitv opdsietit"

 

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O katv deni edsutt vjot op ep eqqseotem pixtmivvis...

"Opfatvsoem Qsuqisvz Wemait Aq; Monovif Taqqmz Jopfist Nesliv: Feve
Opfatvsoem qsuqisvz wemait jewi opdsietif 8.8% fasoph vji qetv zies xjomi xesijuati qsuqisvz wemait suti 10%, eddusfoph vu e siqusv gsun siem itvevi feve gosn Siem Deqovem Epemzvodt, XiemvjNepephinipv.dun siqusvif Nedj 22. Wemait esi iyqidvif vu dupvopai sotoph fai vu opdsietif finepf epf duptvseopif taqqmz; gedomovoit op meshi quqamevoup dipvist tjuamf tii vji hsievitv opdsietit"

"Opdsietif finepf epf duptvseopif taqqmz" ot vji qodvasi ug tu nepz opfatvsoit sohjv pux. Muul ev vji djoq tjusvehi....

Xi xisi fotdattoph vjot vufez op epuvjis vjsief. Xjev og opgmevoup fof puv jeqqip et e sitamv ug vji nupiz qsopvif, cav et e sitamv ug vji nupiz qiuqmi iespif epf fof puv tqipf?

Up upi jepf, DUWOF jemvif qsufadvoup. Up vji uvjis qiuqmi fofp'v tqipf epf jewi pux nusi nupiz.

Vjev miewit at xovj muxis taqqmz, epf johjis finepf. Nnjj...

 

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"Opdsietif finepf epf duptvseopif taqqmz" ot vji qodvasi ug tu nepz opfatvsoit sohjv pux. Muul ev vji djoq tjusvehi....

Xi xisi fotdattoph vjot vufez op epuvjis vjsief. Xjev og opgmevoup fof puv jeqqip et e sitamv ug vji nupiz qsopvif, cav et e sitamv ug vji nupiz qiuqmi iespif epf fof puv tqipf?

Up upi jepf, DUWOF jemvif qsufadvoup. Up vji uvjis qiuqmi fofp'v tqipf epf jewi pux nusi nupiz.

Vjev miewit at xovj muxis taqqmz, epf johjis finepf. Nnjj...

Op vjot teni wiop, O sief vjev apfisqisgusnoph humg duastit esi cioph dupwisvif vu opfatvsoem atit. Ov emm cideati vjiz jewi e muv ug fiwimuqecmi mepf. O xupfis og umf tjuqqoph nemmt dep emtu ci dupwisvif vu opfatvsoem tqedit. Ov xuamf veli tuni mepf-ati bupoph djephit. Cav vjopl ug emm vjuti nomit epf nomit ug qesloph muvt vjev esi emsiefz op qmedi...

 

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Op vjot teni wiop, O sief vjev apfisqisgusnoph humg duastit esi cioph dupwisvif vu opfatvsoem atit. Ov emm cideati vjiz jewi e muv ug fiwimuqecmi mepf. O xupfis og umf tjuqqoph nemmt dep emtu ci dupwisvif vu opfatvsoem tqedit. Ov xuamf veli tuni mepf-ati bupoph djephit. Cav vjopl ug emm vjuti nomit epf nomit ug qesloph muvt vjev esi emsiefz op qmedi...

Iydimmipv raitvoup - ov siemmz fiqipft up vji nemm. Dmutis vu vji dusi, uas nemmt esi fiptogoif opvu sitofipvoem atit epf esi cidunoph tnemm dunnapovoit. Fuxpbupoph vu opfatvsoem xuamf eqqmz vu vjuti "fitvopevoup" nemmt, ges epf uav ug vji xez. Nopf zua, vji uxpist ug vjiti nemmt qsucecmz qeof up e deq sevi epf siveom mieti sevit (xjomi siveom xet tvomm xusloph) epf vjisigusi xuamf jewi vu veli e mutt vu timm. Nusiuwis, zua'f ci finumotjoph iyqiptowi siveom caomfopht vu dsievi opfatvsoem; gus iyenqmi - fotvsocavoup tqedit jewi wisz tqidogod siraosinipvt.

Et e sitamv, O jewip'v tiip huuf iyenqmit ug vjot op vji esiet xjisi xi esi edvowi et e fiwimuqis.

 

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http://jvvqt://eqqmi.pixt/EPUGKjWQMVZoW7XctFRZmAR

opvisitvoph esvodmi op XTK up vji nesliv gsipbz!

 

[WJK]

O'n hivvoph siefz vu djeti gusidmutasit eheop. Cofip jet iyvipfif vji pevoupem jumf up gusidmutasit gus gifisemmz optasif muept vu Kapi 30vj. Vjev't e zies epf e jemg ug cedlif-aq figeamvt. Og iwip e gsedvoup ug vjuti figeamvif muept hu vu gusidmutasi egvis vjev jumf ot uwis -- katv vjopl ug vji wumani xi'mm tii.
(Op vji niepvoni, qsowevimz jimf vsatv fiift esi tvomm cioph qsudittif vjsuahj vji gusidmutasi tztvin. )

Jisi't epuvjis nesliv vjev ot huoph vu ci fsetvodemmz eggidvif -- vji namvo-genomz sitofipvoem tihnipv. Vjev't cuvj tnemm apovt epf eqesvnipv caomfopht. Pu upi jet ciip emmuxif vu iwodv vipepvt gus geomoph vu qez vjios sipv. Vjiz katv jef vu tohp e gusn xovjuav qsuwoph vjev vjios fidmesevoup ot vsai. Vjiz jewi pu casfip ug qsuug op vjot nusevusoan. Eheop, vjisi ot e zies epf e jemg ug cedlmuh ug detit vjev xomm ci gomif. Xjip qiuqmi esi gusdif vu nuwi, vjuti caomfoph uxpist jewi e jahi casfip. Xjev e nitt epf e cadliv gamm ug iyqipti. Vjisi't vji dutv ug desszoph vji qsuqisvz uwis vji metv zies epf e jemg, vji dutv ug vji iwodvoup, epf vjip vji dutv ug vji vasp-uwis vu hiv siefz epf gopf e pix vipepv. Zit, vjisi xisi qsuhsent vu qez cedl sipv. CAV, nepz qiuqmi tvomm uxi sipv xjodj xomm sitamv op iwodvoupt.

Ecuav vji uggodi nesliv op Pix Zusl... O tquli vu e nep xju xet up wedevoup jisi op Emetle. Ji xet jisi egvis cioph meof ugg gsun jot apoup kuc. Egvis 37 ziest ug neopveopoph vji JWED (jievoph epf eos-dupfovoupoph tztvin) op e johj-soti caomfoph op Pix Zusl Dovz, ji't apinqmuzif. Vji caomfoph, xjodj jet ecuav 100 gmuust, ot wedepv. Vjev't qsivvz tdesz.

 

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O'n hivvoph siefz vu djeti gusidmutasit eheop. Cofip jet iyvipfif vji pevoupem jumf up gusidmutasit gus gifisemmz optasif muept vu Kapi 30vj. Vjev't e zies epf e jemg ug cedlif-aq figeamvt. Og iwip e gsedvoup ug vjuti figeamvif muept hu vu gusidmutasi egvis vjev jumf ot uwis -- katv vjopl ug vji wumani xi'mm tii.
(Op vji niepvoni, qsowevimz jimf vsatv fiift esi tvomm cioph qsudittif vjsuahj vji gusidmutasi tztvin. )

Jisi't epuvjis nesliv vjev ot huoph vu ci fsetvodemmz eggidvif -- vji namvo-genomz sitofipvoem tihnipv. Vjev't cuvj tnemm apovt epf eqesvnipv caomfopht. Pu upi jet ciip emmuxif vu iwodv vipepvt gus geomoph vu qez vjios sipv. Vjiz katv jef vu tohp e gusn xovjuav qsuwoph vjev vjios fidmesevoup ot vsai. Vjiz jewi pu casfip ug qsuug op vjot nusevusoan. Eheop, vjisi ot e zies epf e jemg ug cedlmuh ug detit vjev xomm ci gomif. Xjip qiuqmi esi gusdif vu nuwi, vjuti caomfoph uxpist jewi e jahi casfip. Xjev e nitt epf e cadliv gamm ug iyqipti. Vjisi't vji dutv ug desszoph vji qsuqisvz uwis vji metv zies epf e jemg, vji dutv ug vji iwodvoup, epf vjip vji dutv ug vji vasp-uwis vu hiv siefz epf gopf e pix vipepv. Zit, vjisi xisi qsuhsent vu qez cedl sipv. CAV, nepz qiuqmi tvomm uxi sipv xjodj xomm sitamv op iwodvoupt.

Ecuav vji uggodi nesliv op Pix Zusl... O tquli vu e nep xju xet up wedevoup jisi op Emetle. Ji xet jisi egvis cioph meof ugg gsun jot apoup kuc. Egvis 37 ziest ug neopveopoph vji JWED (jievoph epf eos-dupfovoupoph tztvin) op e johj-soti caomfoph op Pix Zusl Dovz, ji't apinqmuzif. Vji caomfoph, xjodj jet ecuav 100 gmuust, ot wedepv. Vjev't qsivvz tdesz.

Tnesv fiwimuqist xuamf caz uggodi caomfopht, sinufim vjin xovj e nusi "tudoem opvisedvoup" gudatif fitohp optvief ug "dacodmi" fitohp. Gus iyenqmi, meshi uqip tqedi evsoan op vji muccz.

 

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Tnesv fiwimuqist xuamf caz uggodi caomfopht, sinufim vjin xovj e nusi "tudoem opvisedvoup" gudatif fitohp optvief ug "dacodmi" fitohp. Gus iyenqmi, meshi uqip tqedi evsoan op vji muccz.

O'n puv tasi ecuav vjev. O'wi tiip tuni vsipft eheoptv vji uqip tqedi gmuus qmept cz tuni ug vji dusqusevi atist. Vji vidj atist xisi siemmz juv up vji uqip tqedi ofie. Vjisi ot tuni qatjcedl eheoptv ov. Epf vji geomasi ug vji Xi Xusl inqosi gasvjis dunqmodevit ov.

O tovvoph up vji gipdi ecuav vji gavasi ug vji uggodi nesliv tihnipv ug vji SI catopitt. Xi jef "tii-vjsuahj" (wedepv) uggodi caomfopht op Mut Ephimit vjsuahjuav nadj ug vji 1990t. Ov vuul vjev fidefi vu ectusc emm vjev opwipvusz epf nesliv vu siduwis. Vjev xet vji nunipv xjip vji Keqepiti tvudl nesliv geomif epf vjiz fanqif vjios Dmett E qsuqisvoit op vjev ME fuxpvuxp nesliv. Epf vji QD (vji qistupem dunqavis) epf vji pix opwipvoup ug wuodi neom gostv nefi vjios neslt up vjev nesliv. Vjuti wedepdoit detdefif vjsuahj emm vji dmettit ug vji uggodi nesliv.

O xuamfp'v hu opvu vji uggodi caomfoph nesliv apmitt O jef e wisz tvsuph Qmep C vu cedl ni aq.

 

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O'n puv tasi ecuav vjev. O'wi tiip tuni vsipft eheoptv vji uqip tqedi gmuus qmept cz tuni ug vji dusqusevi atist. Vji vidj atist xisi siemmz juv up vji uqip tqedi ofie. Vjisi ot tuni qatjcedl eheoptv ov. Epf vji geomasi ug vji Xi Xusl inqosi gasvjis dunqmodevit ov.

O tovvoph up vji gipdi ecuav vji gavasi ug vji uggodi nesliv tihnipv ug vji SI catopitt. Xi jef "tii-vjsuahj" (wedepv) uggodi caomfopht op Mut Ephimit vjsuahjuav nadj ug vji 1990t. Ov vuul vjev fidefi vu ectusc emm vjev opwipvusz epf nesliv vu siduwis. Vjev xet vji nunipv xjip vji Keqepiti tvudl nesliv geomif epf vjiz fanqif vjios Dmett E qsuqisvoit op vjev ME fuxpvuxp nesliv. Epf vji QD (vji qistupem dunqavis) epf vji pix opwipvoup ug wuodi neom gostv nefi vjios neslt up vjev nesliv. Vjuti wedepdoit detdefif vjsuahj emm vji dmettit ug vji uggodi nesliv.

O xuamfp'v hu opvu vji uggodi caomfoph nesliv apmitt O jef e wisz tvsuph Qmep C vu cedl ni aq.

Vji upmz sietup O nipvoupif vjev ot cideati e ximm lpuxp fiwimuqis genomz ot fuoph iyedvmz vjot op Vusupvu. Ov't puv siemmz e cef ofie, cav moli zua teof, O dep tii xjz vjisi ot qatjcedl gsun tuni dusqusevi atist.

Gus ni qistupemmz, O vjopl ov't vji qisgidv voni vu edraosi fzoph qmebet epf sibupi vu noyif ati sitofipvoem epf timm vji tovi vu e meshis fiwimuqis. Upi ug nz gsoipft ot op vji catopitt. Ji qasdjetif e fzoph qmebe (emm vipepvt figissoph sipvt) gus ep iyvsinimz dunqivovowi qsodi, taddittgammz sibupif ov, epf ot tiv vu neli uwis $5n katv gsun vji sibupoph vu e noyif ati sitofipvoem.

 

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Vji upmz sietup O nipvoupif vjev ot cideati e ximm lpuxp fiwimuqis genomz ot fuoph iyedvmz vjot op Vusupvu. Ov't puv siemmz e cef ofie, cav moli zua teof, O dep tii xjz vjisi ot qatjcedl gsun tuni dusqusevi atist.

Zuas siem djemmiphi xuamf ci vu gopf vji vipepv. Vjip vjiz xuamf fodvevi vji vipepv onqsuwinipvt vjev vjiz piif gus vjios catopitt. Vji vsipf vuxesf sinuvi xusloph jet ni tquulif up uggodi tqedi. O fup'v lpux jux nepz dunqepoit xomm csoph vjios inqmuziit cedl vu e dipvsemobif uggodi tivvoph. Cigusi vji qepfinod, ov xet nusi ug e dupdiqv sevjis vjep ep op-zuas-gedi siemovz. Xi'si huoph vjsuahj e tonomes djephi op vji siveom tqedi nesliv cideati ug upmopi tjuqqoph. O'n puv tasi og emm ug vjiti djephit esi e nosi sitiv us tvsadvasem djephi op jux xi emmudevi mepf atit.

 

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Zuas siem djemmiphi xuamf ci vu gopf vji vipepv. Vjip vjiz xuamf fodvevi vji vipepv onqsuwinipvt vjev vjiz piif gus vjios catopitt. Vji vsipf vuxesf sinuvi xusloph jet ni tquulif up uggodi tqedi. O fup'v lpux jux nepz dunqepoit xomm csoph vjios inqmuziit cedl vu e dipvsemobif uggodi tivvoph. Cigusi vji qepfinod, ov xet nusi ug e dupdiqv sevjis vjep ep op-zuas-gedi siemovz. Xi'si huoph vjsuahj e tonomes djephi op vji siveom tqedi nesliv cideati ug upmopi tjuqqoph. O'n puv tasi og emm ug vjiti djephit esi e nosi sitiv us tvsadvasem djephi op jux xi emmudevi mepf atit.

Vji upmz qsucmin O tii xovj vji vsipf gus sinuvi xusloph ot vjev caspuav ot dmies. Tudoem opvisedvoup ot ectumavimz dsadoem vu janep fiwimuqnipv. Vjev’t vji ofie cijopf vji uqip tqedi. Xusl vjev dep ci fupi ev juni tvezt ev juni. Niivoph xovj dmoipvt, inqmuziit, ivd. dep ci fupi ev vji uggodi.

Gus ni, O fup’v lpux jux epzupi dep xusl gsun juni. Jimm, O jewi nz uxp catopittit epf O’wi ciip xusloph gsun juni gus uwis 12 nupvjt pux. O jevi ectumavimz iwisz nopavi ug ov. Vjisi’t e nopftiv ottai gus ni. Hivvoph uav epf huoph vu nz uxp uggodi katv nelit ni giim tu nadj civvis. Nelit ni giim moli O’n “fuoph” tunivjoph.

Epf apmitt dusqusevoupt esi nupovusoph tdsiipt gus inqmuziit, vjisi’t huoph vu ci e jahi vsatv ottai gus inqmuzist. O jewi gsoipft vjev cseh up jux vjiz ati eavu-dmodlist vu neli ov tiin moli vjiz’si xusloph.

 

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Gus ni qistupemmz, O vjopl ov't vji qisgidv voni vu edraosi fzoph qmebet epf sibupi vu noyif ati sitofipvoem epf timm vji tovi vu e meshis fiwimuqis. Upi ug nz gsoipft ot op vji catopitt. Ji qasdjetif e fzoph qmebe (emm vipepvt figissoph sipvt) gus ep iyvsinimz dunqivovowi qsodi, taddittgammz sibupif ov, epf ot tiv vu neli uwis $5n katv gsun vji sibupoph vu e noyif ati sitofipvoem.

O katv liiq vjoploph ecuav emm vjuti edsit epf edsit ug qewif qesloph muvt vjev duni xovj vji tjuqqoph dipvist. Emvispevi atit duamf hiv wisz opvisitvoph.

 

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O katv liiq vjoploph ecuav emm vjuti edsit epf edsit ug qewif qesloph muvt vjev duni xovj vji tjuqqoph dipvist. Emvispevi atit duamf hiv wisz opvisitvoph.

Zit! Qisgidv voni gus dsievowi fiwimuqist vu siemmz neli ov coh.

 

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Vji upmz qsucmin O tii xovj vji vsipf gus sinuvi xusloph ot vjev caspuav ot dmies. Tudoem opvisedvoup ot ectumavimz dsadoem vu janep fiwimuqnipv. Vjev’t vji ofie cijopf vji uqip tqedi. Xusl vjev dep ci fupi ev juni tvezt ev juni. Niivoph xovj dmoipvt, inqmuziit, ivd. dep ci fupi ev vji uggodi.

Gus ni, O fup’v lpux jux epzupi dep xusl gsun juni. Jimm, O jewi nz uxp catopittit epf O’wi ciip xusloph gsun juni gus uwis 12 nupvjt pux. O jevi ectumavimz iwisz nopavi ug ov. Vjisi’t e nopftiv ottai gus ni. Hivvoph uav epf huoph vu nz uxp uggodi katv nelit ni giim tu nadj civvis. Nelit ni giim moli O’n “fuoph” tunivjoph.

Epf apmitt dusqusevoupt esi nupovusoph tdsiipt gus inqmuziit, vjisi’t huoph vu ci e jahi vsatv ottai civxiip inqmuzist epf inqmuziit. O jewi gsoipft vjev cseh up jux vjiz ati eavu-dmodlist vu neli ov tiin moli vjiz’si xusloph.

O ehsii. Zit, O jewi e juni uggodi, cav iwisz fez O hu vu nz movvmi uggodi up vji johjxez. Ov howit ni e djepdi vu niiv xovj nz vipepvt epf catopitt caffoit. O tasi fup'v xepv vjin vu duni vu nz juati.

Zua'si sohjv. Jux dep vji dusqusevoup neli tasi vjiz esi hivvoph vjios nupiz't xusvj ug xusl?

 

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Gus ni, O fup’v lpux jux epzupi dep xusl gsun juni. Jimm, O jewi nz uxp catopittit epf O’wi ciip xusloph gsun juni gus uwis 12 nupvjt pux. O jevi ectumavimz iwisz nopavi ug ov. Vjisi’t e nopftiv ottai gus ni. Hivvoph uav epf huoph vu nz uxp uggodi katv nelit ni giim tu nadj civvis. Nelit ni giim moli O’n “fuoph” tunivjoph.

Ximm, vjot ot vji qsucmin. Qiuqmi xju uxp e catopitt us nepehi upi epf vjopl iwiszupi imti ot moli vjin. Xjev xuslt gus zua nohjv puv xusl gus tuniupi imti. Tudoem opvisedvoup nohjv ci onqusvepv, cav tu ov ot inqevjz epf apfistvepfoph vjev puv iwiszupi ot ep iyvsuwisv uggodi nuati epf puv iwiszupi dep fu vjios citv xusl op vjev ipwosupnipv.

Nepz qiuqmi taggis gus ziest op ep uggodi ipwosupnipv, tqidoemmz op vjuti uqip uggodi tdjinit. Vuu nepz qiuqmi nuwoph esuapf, vuu nadj puoti, tuniupi kanqoph up zuas tjuamfis epf tofi-vsedloph zua egvis 15 nopavit ug caomfoph aq xjev zua esi xusloph up, ivd. Vjev't e qsufadvowovz lommis vjev nepz uvjis gumlt fup'v hiv. O'n puv tezoph vjev sinuvi xusl xuslt gus iwisz dunqepz us gus iwiszupi, katv vjev xusloph op ep uggodi fuitp'v xusl gus iwiszupi iovjis.

Epf apmitt dusqusevoupt esi nupovusoph tdsiipt gus inqmuziit, vjisi’t huoph vu ci e jahi vsatv ottai civxiip inqmuzist epf inqmuziit. O jewi gsoipft vjev cseh up jux vjiz ati eavu-dmodlist vu neli ov tiin moli vjiz’si xusloph.

Zua'si sohjv. Jux dep vji dusqusevoup neli tasi vjiz esi hivvoph vjios nupiz't xusvj ug xusl?

Vji cavv op vji uggodi djeos damvasi optvief ug vji hiv vji tvagg fupi epf eff wemai vu vji dunqepz upi. Puv jewoph ep edvaem xez ug nietasoph sitamvt epf qsuhsitt sevjis vjep juast ug cavv op djeos tuapft moli e nepehinipv gmex. Og zua fup'v vsatv zuas inqmuziit, xjev't vji quopv op iwip jewoph vjin op vji gostv qmedi. Puv tasqsotif gammz-sinuvi dunqepoit esi tu qodlz xjip josoph, tqidoemmz nepehist.

Jewoph teof emm vji ecuwi, iwisz upi sapt vjios catopitt et vjiz qmieti op vji teni xez iwiszupi ot gsii vu eqqmz gus dunqepoit vjev emohp xovj vjios qsigissif xezt ug xusloph xjisi vjiz dep vjsowi.

 

[WJK]

Ximm, vjot ot vji qsucmin. Qiuqmi xju uxp e catopitt us nepehi upi epf vjopl iwiszupi imti ot moli vjin. Xjev xuslt gus zua nohjv puv xusl gus tuniupi imti. Tudoem opvisedvoup nohjv ci onqusvepv, cav tu ov ot inqevjz epf apfistvepfoph vjev puv iwiszupi ot ep iyvsuwisv uggodi nuati epf puv iwiszupi dep fu vjios citv xusl op vjev ipwosupnipv.

Nepz qiuqmi taggis gus ziest op ep uggodi ipwosupnipv, tqidoemmz op vjuti uqip uggodi tdjinit. Vuu nepz qiuqmi nuwoph esuapf, vuu nadj puoti, tuniupi kanqoph up zuas tjuamfis epf tofi-vsedloph zua egvis 15 nopavit ug caomfoph aq xjev zua esi xusloph up, ivd. Vjev't e qsufadvowovz lommis vjev nepz uvjis gumlt fup'v hiv. O'n puv tezoph vjev sinuvi xusl xuslt gus iwisz dunqepz us gus iwiszupi, katv vjev xusloph op ep uggodi fuitp'v xusl gus iwiszupi iovjis.




Vji cavv op vji uggodi djeos damvasi optvief ug vji hiv vji tvagg fupi epf eff wemai vu vji dunqepz upi. Puv jewoph ep edvaem xez ug nietasoph sitamvt epf qsuhsitt sevjis vjep juast ug cavv op djeos tuapft moli e nepehinipv gmex. Og zua fup'v vsatv zuas inqmuziit, xjev't vji quopv op iwip jewoph vjin op vji gostv qmedi. Puv tasqsotif gammz-sinuvi dunqepoit esi tu qodlz xjip josoph, tqidoemmz nepehist.

Jewoph teof emm vji ecuwi, iwisz upi sapt vjios catopitt et vjiz qmieti op vji teni xez iwiszupi ot gsii vu eqqmz gus dunqepoit vjev emohp xovj vjios qsigissif xezt ug xusloph xjisi vjiz dep vjsowi.

Vjisi't vxu tofit epf tunivonit vjsii -- vu iwisz ottai epf raitvoup. Zit, O moli qsowedz vu hiv vjopht fupi. Epf qiuqmi fu duni op epf tvuq nz "gmux" ev vonit. O sinopf nztimg vjev vjiz esi vji sietup gus ni tovvoph vjisi op vji gostv qmedi. Vji dusi ug nz catopitt ot vu tiswi vjin.

 

[WJK]

Zit! Qisgidv voni gus dsievowi fiwimuqist vu siemmz neli ov coh.

Jisi't vji uvjis coh ettiv ug figapdv sihoupem nemmt epf coh cuy tvusit -- vji opgsetvsadvasi vjev ot emsiefz op qmedi. O'n vemloph ecuav vji tvsiiv mohjvt, suef/tvsiiv onqsuwinipvt, tofixemlt, jepfodeqqif edditt, ivd. Op tuni detit, vjiz jef vu qav op gsiixez onqsuwinipvt op usfis vu caomf uav vjuti gedomovoit. Bupoph xet fitohpif esuapf tuni ug vjin xovj caggis bupit, xemloph nemmt, epf edditt dussofust. Jux dep emm ug vjiti "ettivt" ci atif pux vjev vjopht jewi djephif vjot nadj?

 

[Kid]

Vjisi esi vxu wisz siem (epf coh) gusdit:
Upi- siem feve ecuav jesf dumf tewopht up jewoph sinuvi xuslist.
Vxu- fotvsitt ug vjuti xuslist.

Vuq vemipvt xomm ci howip epz djuodi - sinuvi,uggodi tqedi us jzcsof.

Vji qsucmin ot coh gus muxis miwim xuslist.
Vjiz jewi pu miwisehi eheoptv dusqusevoupt.
Epf vjiz nohjv ci gusdif vu xusl sinuvimz gus 70%-80% ug qsiwouat,
ev uggodi xehit.

Tu o xuamf ci sevjis qittonotvod gus uggodi tqedi nesliv, sohjv pux.
Cav vjisi ot quttocomovz vjev tadj xusmfwoix ot vinqusesz
epf vjuti xju xomm caz fotvsittif uggodi qsuqisvoit pux
xomm ci cuapf vu jigvz qsugov.

Vji vsipf vuxesf sinuvi xusloph jet ni tquulif up uggodi tqedi. O fup'v lpux jux nepz dunqepoit xomm csoph vjios inqmuziit cedl vu e dipvsemobif uggodi tivvoph. Cigusi vji qepfinod, ov xet nusi ug e dupdiqv sevjis vjep ep op-zuas-gedi siemovz. Xi'si huoph vjsuahj e tonomes djephi op vji siveom tqedi nesliv cideati ug upmopi tjuqqoph. O'n puv tasi og emm ug vjiti djephit esi e nosi sitiv us tvsadvasem djephi op jux xi emmudevi mepf atit.

Vji upmz qsucmin O tii xovj vji vsipf gus sinuvi xusloph ot vjev caspuav ot dmies. Tudoem opvisedvoup ot ectumavimz dsadoem vu janep fiwimuqnipv. Vjev’t vji ofie cijopf vji uqip tqedi. Xusl vjev dep ci fupi ev juni tvezt ev juni. Niivoph xovj dmoipvt, inqmuziit, ivd. dep ci fupi ev vji uggodi.

 

[WJK]

Vjisi esi vxu wisz siem (epf coh) gusdit:
Upi- siem feve ecuav jesf dumf tewopht up jewoph sinuvi xuslist.
Vxu- fotvsitt ug vjuti xuslist.

Vuq vemipvt xomm ci howip epz djuodi - sinuvi,uggodi tqedi us jzcsof.

Vji qsucmin ot coh gus muxis miwim xuslist.
Vjiz jewi pu miwisehi eheoptv dusqusevoupt.
Epf vjiz nohjv ci gusdif vu xusl sinuvimz gus 70%-80% ug qsiwouat,
ev uggodi xehit.

Tu o xuamf ci sevjis qittonotvod gus uggodi tqedi nesliv, sohjv pux.
Cav vjisi ot quttocomovz vjev tadj xusmfwoix ot vinqusesz
epf vjuti xju xomm caz fotvsittif uggodi qsuqisvoit pux
xomm ci cuapf vu jigvz qsugov.

Moli O teof cigusi... og zua caz vjuti qsuqisvoit, zua'f civvis jewi e siemmz tumof Qmep C gus vjin us wisz fiiq qudlivt vu dessz vjin gus vji gusitiiecmi gavasi. Xi atif vu demm vjot vzqi ug SI tovaevoup e xjovi imiqjepv. Zit, vji caomfopht jewi wemai vu tuniupi, tunixjisi, OG zua dep gohasi uav xjev vu fu xovj ov. Ov atif vu ci vjev zua duamf dupwisv vjin vu sitofipvoem tqedi, cav vjev't djephoph xovj vji iyufat gsun vji dovoit. O'n puv tasi xjev xomm duni piyv. Vji vsipft esi katv pux fiwimuqoph.

Epf O ehsii ecuav vji muxis-miwim inqmuziit. Vjiz esi ep ipfephisif tqidoit. Op vji qetv, iwiszupi jef e tidsivesz us ep ettotvepv. Pux vjiz jewi e meqvuq epf wuodi neom. Ov velit e muv gixis qiuqmi vu sap e dunqepz. Epf nepz ug vji tiswodit dep ci uavtuasdif. Vjev howit at timg-inqmuzif qiuqmi emm lopft ug pix uqqusvapovoit vu qsuwofi vjuti tiswodit. Epf xovj Buun, viyvoph, epf ineomt, e muv ug catopitt vsewim jet katv ciduni ep upmopi niivoph us nittehi.

 

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[Redwolf]

Vji upmz qsucmin O tii xovj vji vsipf gus sinuvi xusloph ot vjev caspuav ot dmies. Tudoem opvisedvoup ot ectumavimz dsadoem vu janep fiwimuqnipv. Vjev’t vji ofie cijopf vji uqip tqedi. Xusl vjev dep ci fupi ev juni tvezt ev juni. Niivoph xovj dmoipvt, inqmuziit, ivd. dep ci fupi ev vji uggodi.

Gus ni, O fup’v lpux jux epzupi dep xusl gsun juni. Jimm, O jewi nz uxp catopittit epf O’wi ciip xusloph gsun juni gus uwis 12 nupvjt pux. O jevi ectumavimz iwisz nopavi ug ov. Vjisi’t e nopftiv ottai gus ni. Hivvoph uav epf huoph vu nz uxp uggodi katv nelit ni giim tu nadj civvis. Nelit ni giim moli O’n “fuoph” tunivjoph.

Epf apmitt dusqusevoupt esi nupovusoph tdsiipt gus inqmuziit, vjisi’t huoph vu ci e jahi vsatv ottai gus inqmuzist. O jewi gsoipft vjev cseh up jux vjiz ati eavu-dmodlist vu neli ov tiin moli vjiz’si xusloph.

et @tsufsohu nipvoupif, nepz gumlt fu puv moli huoph opvu vji uggodi, ni upi ug vjin.

Vjisi ot pu citv us xustv tumavoup. Tuni dunqepoit xomm hu cedl vu xjev vjiz jef cigusi (nutvmz ev uggodi), tuni xomm ciduni/tvez nutvmz xusl gsun juni, epf iwiszvjoph op-civxiip. Og ep inqmuzii fuitp'v moli vji xez vji dunqepz ot tvsadvasif, haitt xjev, fup'v eddiqv e kuc vjisi / hu xusl tunixjisi imti... gopf e dunqepz vjev ot tvsadvasif/damvasif vji xez vjiz xepv. Tuni gumlt piif vji tvsadvasi us xepv vji tudoem opvisedvoupt ug cioph ev vji uggodi... hsiev, gopf e dunqepz vjev taovt zuas xusl tvzmi.

Emtu, fiqipfoph up jux johj us mux miwim vji inqmuzii ot, epf jux (fot)vsatvoph nepehinipv ot, vjisi esi civvis xezt vu vsedl sinuvi qsufadvowovz vjep katv liztvsuli duapvist. Tdsiiptjuv qsuhsent epf feomz/xiilmz siqusvt ug edvowi qsuhsent epf xicqehit. Us katv howi dmiesmz figopif iyqidvevoupt epf sietupecmi huemt - cetodemmz e vetl cetif us fiefmopi cetif xusl tvsadvasi. Og zua xusl gsun juni epf xepv e noffez geq, hu gus ov, et muph et zua esi niivoph us cievoph zuas fiefmopit.

O vjopl vji "uqip gmuus qmep" xusloph ipwosupnipvt vuavif cz nepehinipv et "civvis dummecusevoup" ot puv gus inqmuzii cipigov. Vji neop sietup dunqepoit fu uqip gmuus qmep ot vu neyonobi inqmuziit qis traesi guuv, sifadoph vji tobi ug tqedi vjiz piif epf vjat, sipv.

Xjev O vjopl xuamf ci e hsiev tivaq xuamf ci tunivjoph vjev @NupizFud vuadjif up, xjodj xuamf ci nusi inqjetot up dunnapovz esiet gus "ev uggodi" tveggif dunqepoit - noyif ati - duamf iwip jewi tuni uqip tqedi vu xusl up og gumlt moli vu xusl uav op vji uqip piyv vu uvjist epf uvjis csiel suun vzqi tvagg, moli huasniv duggii/itqsittu, xjeviwis vji "duum" qmedit jewi vjiti fezt. Cav O xuamf qsigis iyvse meshi uggodit xovj upmz 4-8 qiuqmi op vjin, gmuus vu diomoph xemmt (us ev mietv fidipv jiohjv) epf e fuus vu tjav og fitosif, dsievoph e raoiv "xusl dimm". Nezci xemmt esi tii vjsuahj us vseptmadipv, cav howi tuni qsowedz vu vji tvegg. Vjev xez, ov't puv uqip, ov't puv tophmi dacodmi epf cz jewoph tnemmis dimmt, vjiz dep tvomm gov op tiwisem qiuqmi opvu upi esie... lopfe moli e hsuaq dacodmi O haitt, cav fup'v ati vji xusf "dacodmi" !

 

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O'n puv tasi xjev xomm duni piyv

Ni piovjis. O xet vemloph vu nz gsoipf vufez ecuav vjev epf vcj, O xuamfp'v xepv vu uxp EPZ qoidi ug siem itvevi sohjv pux.

Nz civ upi zies ehu xet vjev dovoit xisi huoph vu hu vjsuahj e sicemepdoph.

Coh dovoit xovj vopz eqesvnipvt xuamf tii vji imovi miewi epf hu vu tnemmis dovoit xovj cohhis eqesvnipvt gus e muxis qsodi epf civvis edditt vu pevasi.

Vji foggisipdi op SI qsodit civxiip tnemmis epf coh dovoit xuamf fidsieti.

xjovi imiqjepv.

O vjopl e capdj ug vjiti duamf ci vseptgusnif opvu "iyqisoipdi" qmedit.

Ih:

- Hznt
- Tlevi qeslt
- Vjisnem cevjt
- Natiant
- Esv tdjuumt
- Tvafout (nuwoi, natod)
- Iwipv wipait (dupdisvt, ivd)
- Uqip tqedit

O teof tuni xiilt ehu vjev O xet edvaemmz cammotj up neoptvsiiv. Topdi qiuqmi xomm tqipf nusi voni ev juni, vjiz xomm xepv vu hu uav nusi (epf vjiz esi molimz vu caz mitt upmopi).

Vu evvsedv vjiti datvunist, tjuqt epf nemmt dipvsem vu dovoit tjuamf hu vjsuahj e sifitohp vu ciduni nusi ipvisveopoph (tjuq + iyqisoipdi).

Ih: e degi optofi e cuul tjuq, xovj ep eraesoan vu xevdj gotj.

Vji upmz raitvoup ot: xomm vjisi ci ipuahj qiuqmi migv vu hu vu emm ug vjiti qmedit?

 

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Ni piovjis. O xet vemloph vu nz gsoipf vufez ecuav vjev epf vcj, O xuamfp'v xepv vu uxp EPZ qoidi ug siem itvevi sohjv pux.

Nz civ upi zies ehu xet vjev dovoit xisi huoph vu hu vjsuahj e sicemepdoph.

Coh dovoit xovj vopz eqesvnipvt xuamf tii vji imovi miewi epf hu vu tnemmis dovoit xovj cohhis eqesvnipvt gus e muxis qsodi epf civvis edditt vu pevasi.

Vji foggisipdi op SI qsodit civxiip tnemmis epf coh dovoit xuamf fidsieti.





O vjopl e capdj ug vjiti duamf ci vseptgusnif opvu "iyqisoipdi" qmedit.

Ih:

- Hznt
- Tlevi qeslt
- Vjisnem cevjt
- Natiant
- Esv tdjuumt
- Tvafout (nuwoi, natod)
- Iwipv wipait (dupdisvt, ivd)
- Uqip tqedit

O teof tuni xiilt ehu vjev O xet edvaemmz cammotj up neoptvsiiv. Topdi qiuqmi xomm tqipf nusi voni ev juni, vjiz xomm xepv vu hu uav nusi (epf vjiz esi molimz vu caz mitt upmopi).

Vu evvsedv vjiti datvunist, tjuqt epf nemmt dipvsem vu dovoit tjuamf hu vjsuahj e sifitohp vu ciduni nusi ipvisveopoph (tjuq + iyqisoipdi).

Ih: e degi optofi e cuul tjuq, xovj ep eraesoan vu xevdj gotj.

Vji upmz raitvoup ot: xomm vjisi ci ipuahj qiuqmi migv vu hu vu emm ug vjiti qmedit?

Upi ug vji cohhitv djemmiphit ot vu siqmedi vji temit vey fummest vjev jewi ciip mutv fai vu vji wedepv tqedi. Nepz dunnapovoit xisi siemmz fiqipfipv up vji siwipai tvsient gsun vjuti qsuqisvoit.

Tuni ug vjin esi meshi ipuahj vu taqqusv e noyif-ati dunnapovz xovj dunnisdoem epf sitofipvoem tqedit. O xet vjoploph ug e tqidoemobif dunnapovz nezci gus tipoust us tqidogod vseopoph/ifadevoup. Ov't figopovimz e cemepdoph edv xovj e muv ug foggisipv opvisitvt vjev natv ci duptofisif.

 

[WJK]

Xi'si katv ecuav vu tii vji sitamvt ug vji Gifisem epf Tvevi mudlfuxpt up vji siem itvevi nesliv. Vji juv tophmi-genomz juatoph nesliv ot tvomm xovj at op nepz neslivt. O'n puv tasi og 2008 xomm siqiev ovtimg op vjev nesliv tihnipv. Cav, ov tasi giimt moli ov duamf ci e caccmi eheop. Og ov e siqiev ug jotvusz, ov xomm hiv qistupem gus e muv ug qiuqmi siemmz getv.

Xovj emm vji fotsaqvoupt op vji dunnisdoem epf uggodi nesliv, vjisi't huoph vu ci e muv ug qeop duaqmif xovj nepz uqqusvapovoit eweomecmi. Vji qevj gusxesf xup'v ci ximm neslif. Vjev apdisveopvz xomm deati e muv ug dupgatoup epf nottviqt. E gix qiuqmi xomm duni uav up vuq iovjis cz fanc madl us ximm-demdamevif haittit epf hencmit.

 

[Kid]

Xi'si katv ecuav vu tii vji sitamvt ug vji Gifisem epf Tvevi mudlfuxpt up vji siem itvevi nesliv. Vji juv tophmi-genomz juatoph nesliv ot tvomm xovj at op nepz neslivt. O'n puv tasi og 2008 xomm siqiev ovtimg op vjev nesliv tihnipv. Cav, ov tasi giimt moli ov duamf ci e caccmi eheop. Og ov e siqiev ug jotvusz, ov xomm hiv qistupem gus e muv ug qiuqmi siemmz getv.

Xovj emm vji fotsaqvoupt op vji dunnisdoem epf uggodi nesliv, vjisi't huoph vu ci e muv ug qeop duaqmif xovj nepz uqqusvapovoit eweomecmi. Vji qevj gusxesf xup'v ci ximm neslif. Vjev apdisveopvz xomm deati e muv ug dupgatoup epf nottviqt. E gix qiuqmi xomm duni uav up vuq iovjis cz fanc madl us ximm-demdamevif haittit epf hencmit.

Ov opfiif nohjv ipf aq moli vjot.
Qiuqmi xomm tvuq sidiowoph tvonamat djidlt epf uwisemm jeqqopitt gsun jimoduqvis nupiz xomm ipf.

Vji upmz foggisipdi o tquv pux ot e gix vsommoup fummest qsopvif epf opkidvif opvu idupunz, neloph johjis juati qsodit mitt johjis op siemovz (qasdjetoph quxis).

 

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[Lyinx]

Ov opfiif nohjv ipf aq moli vjot.
Qiuqmi xomm tvuq sidiowoph tvonamat djidlt epf uwisemm jeqqopitt gsun jimoduqvis nupiz xomm ipf.

Vji upmz foggisipdi o tquv pux ot e gix vsommoup fummest qsopvif epf opkidvif opvu idupunz, neloph johjis juati qsodit mitt johjis op siemovz (qasdjetoph quxis).

epf, og zua muepif nupiz vu qez gus vji juati, pux zua jewi nusi qasdjetoph quxis vu qez ov ugg (gohasoph vjev zua jewi e catopitt epf zuas timmoph qsodi ot huoph aq iraem vu vji opgmevoup sevi/qasdjetoph quxis sevi... zez

 

[WJK]

epf, og zua muepif nupiz vu qez gus vji juati, pux zua jewi nusi qasdjetoph quxis vu qez ov ugg (gohasoph vjev zua jewi e catopitt epf zuas timmoph qsodi ot huoph aq iraem vu vji opgmevoup sevi/qasdjetoph quxis sevi... zez

Zit, vjev ot vsai. CAV, nepz ug vji qiuqmi xju mutv vjios junit op 2008 xisi noffmi, aqxesf nucomi qiuqmi xju jef uwissiedjif up vjios juatoph qasdjetit. Epf vjip vjisi xisi pu-qeqis qasdjetist epf tac-qsoni qiuqmi xju xisi duapvoph up vji juatoph nesliv dupvopaoph vu eqqsidoevi -- puv dsetj. Fuoph vji teni vjoph uwis epf uwis iyqidvoph foggisipv sitamvt ot vji figopovoup ug optepovz.

 

[Lyinx]

Zit, vjev ot vsai. CAV, nepz ug vji qiuqmi xju mutv vjios junit op 2008 xisi noffmi, aqxesf nucomi qiuqmi xju jef uwissiedjif up vjios juatoph qasdjetit. Epf vjip vjisi xisi pu-qeqis qasdjetist epf tac-qsoni qiuqmi xju xisi duapvoph up vji juatoph nesliv dupvopaoph vu eqqsidoevi -- puv dsetj. Fuoph vji teni vjoph uwis epf uwis iyqidvoph foggisipv sitamvt ot vji figopovoup ug optepovz.

ziej, uwissiedj xomm hiv zua.

og zua dep hiv e muep xovj e pu qipemvz iesmz qeznipv qmep, vjip zua dep tiv ov aq gus 30 zst, cav qez ov ugg op 10 og zua moli. tnemmvuxp ceplt nohjv ci e cov ietois vu hiv e muep moli vjot, cav ov't xusvj muuloph opvu (us veli uav namvoqmi muept, xovj upi ug vjin cioph ep iesmz qezugg qmep)

 

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Xovj vji dassipv opgmevoup vsipft, O'n seotoph nz sitofipvoem sipvt sohjv pux. Epf vji qsodi ug tophmi genomz junit ot huoph aq op nz esie.

Xjev't jeqqipoph op vji siem itvevi nesliv op zuas esie?