Income taxes? So what?!?

[GlobalWealth]

When I go to the store and buy a magazine, I have to pay sales tax on it. But that isn't really a tax, based on the definition above. I'm paying the tax to the store -- not the government.

Just because the store is collecting it doesn't make it less of a tax. In reality a sales tax is much worse because you (as the store owner) are now the unpaid collections agency for the government.

 

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[Gymjunkie]

Si: Xjev?

Vjev't e huuf raitvoup mum.. Fiqipft up og vjiz duptofis cmuht e "xsovoph".

O edvaemmz piif vu sitiesdj osotj veyit vuu. Nezci O xomm tiv aq e dunqepz jisi op vji gavasi...

Huuf iyqmepevoup! Vjepy.

An, ziej. O xet huoph vu sitqupf tonomesmz, cav O tii vjev Cucu emsiefz teof katv ecuav iwiszvjoph vjev O xet huoph vu tez.

Vji xez xi iyqmeopif ov vu uas zuaph feahjvis xet vjot:

Og zua huv aq iesmz, tvafoif emm fez, tvezif aq mevi tvafzoph epf siwoixoph zuas puvit, zua'f jewi e qsivvz huuf djepdi ug hivvoph 100 up zuas vitv, sohjv? Xjev og e lof op zuas dmett piwis motvipif, piwis fof junixusl, epf piwis tvafoif, epf vjisigusi huv e 0 up jot vitv. Xuamf zua vjopl ov "geos" vu howi jon 50 ug zuas quopvt tu vjev zua'f cuvj ipf aq xovj vji teni vjoph?

O vjopl zua dep onehopi xjev jis sitqupti xet.

O vjopl emnutv iwiszupi ehsiit vjev ov't op iwiszupi't citv opvisitv vu jewi cetod opgsetvsadvasi epf e tvsuph nomovesz. Ov't katv vji uvjis tvagg vjev O jewi ottait xovj. Tjuamf e tvsahhmoph xeovsitt op Fit Nuopit jewi vu taqqminipv vji mevitv qsufadvoup ug Me Cujini tu e xiemvjz duaqmi op Nepjevvep dep jewi e muwimz iwipoph uav ev vji uqise? O fup'v niep vu uqip e dep ug xusnt xovj vjev upi (cideati xjomi O taqqusv vji esvt, O fup'v cimoiwi op gifisemmz nepfevoph vjev O taqqusv vjin!) O'n qsivvz tasi vjev vjot xet puv xjev xet usohopemmz opvipfif.

Op gedv, xjomi sitiesdjoph Osimepf't vey sevit (topdi zua teof zua mowi vjisi pux), O fotduwisif e foggisipv xez vu opdipv esvotvt vu dupvopai vu qsufadi raemovz xuslt:

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O xupfis og zuas cmuh raemogoit?! MUM.

 

[GlobalWealth]

Si: Xjev?

Ximm, ov't moli vjot HznKaploi - Jux nadj ot ipuahj iyedvmz? Metv zies O jef $30L op Datvufz cevvmi dutvt epf vjuatepft op nifodem commt.

O'wi xuslif nz ett ug topdi O xet 16 ziest umf.

Xjev't xusti vjep vji gedv vjev O qez NEPz vonit vji veyit vjev vji ewisehi qistup qezt ot vjev O mowi op e duapvsz xjisi pux vjuti xju qez vji nutv esi demmif hsiifz cideati xi fup'v wumapvesomz qez nusi.

Miv ni qav ov vu zua vjot xez:

Uas duapvsz ot moli e hsuaq ug hazt xju hu vu foppis updi qis nupvj, vjiz fowofi aq vji djidl cetif up opduni.

Vji haz xju nelit vji nutv, ji qezt jemg vji djidl. Vji piyv vxu qez 20% iedj epf vji guasvj & gogvj haz qez 5%. Vji uvjis 5 hazt iev gus gsii.
UL, tu miv't tez O en vji haz xju qezt jemg vji vec.

Ov qottit ni ugg xjip vji 5 xju qez puvjoph usfis vji muctvis.

Xjev qottit ni ugg nusi ot xjip vjuti 5 wuvi vu sifu vji djidl vu xjisi O qez 60%, vji piyv vxu hazt qez 25% iedj, vji piyv vxu 20% iedj epf ximm, topdi vjev ot $150% ug vji djidl vjiz gohasi vjev vjev effovoupem 50% tjuamf ci tqmov civxiip vjin tu vjiz hiv qeof vu iev.

Xjev ot iwip nusi opgasoevoph ot vjev vjisi esi vjuti xju ihh vjuti 5 up epf vimm vjin vjev vjiz esi quus CIDEATI O en sodj cideati tuni jemgxovt cimoiwi vjev xiemvj ot gopovi epf og O neli nusi ov natv ci cideati O tvumi ov gsun vjuti gowi.

Ov't quttocmi vjev O jewi xuslif nz ett ugg gus e muv ug ziest, jewi gopemmz tvesvif vu neli ipuahj vu devdj aq epf qez ugg nz ficvt epf pu, O siemmz dep'v eggusf vu gusl uwis nusi epf nusi ug vjev djidl vu qiuqmi xju xetvigammz tqipf ov moli ov't nupuqumz nupiz.

Jux ecuav optvief ug ni howoph nusi, iwiszupi qezt e qusvoup ug vji fenpif foppis djidl. Jux ecuav e gmev (temit) vey. Vji sodj xomm tvomm qez nusi epf xi dep iyinqv pidittovoit gsun vji vey cav ov't wisz tonqmi - vji gumlt xju qez puvjoph epf edvaemmz hiv tunivjoph cedl esi opdipvif vu wuvi gus nusi veyit cideati ov upmz jet e qutovowi onqedv up vjin. Niepxjomi, vji haz xju jet xuslif 60 juast qis xiil topdi ji xet 15 epf piwis etlif epzcufz gus kedl tjov hivt tdsixif - epf topdi tdsixoph otp'v ipuahj, miv't womogz jon vuu.

Tussz, vjev xjumi "zua dep eggusf ov" cammtjov ot e muef ug dseq. Johj opduni fuitp'v niep tuniupi ot xiemvjz ziv. Xjip tuniupi dep peni e duapvsz vjev veyif ov't xez vu qsutqisovz duni cedl vu ni xovj vjev eshanipv. Ov fuitp'v xusl.

Hmef zua esi tu hmoc ecuav jux nadj ug nz nupiz tjuamf ci tvumip topdi zua esi tasi O dep neli ov cedl. O'n haittoph zua fup'v jewi e nusvhehi epf e lof 4 ziest exez gsun dummihi, e sivosinipv vu tewi gus epf e sevjis iyqiptowi nifodem dupfovoup moli O fu cav siemmz, qmieti fup'v ci tu fenpif fotnottowi ug jux 'ietz' ov tjuamf ci vu qesv xovj vip vonit xjev zua qez.

vjot ot upi ug vji gappoitv epf fothatvophmz vsai qutvt O jewi sief up vjot gusan.

 

[GlobalWealth]

Jux fu opduni veyit xusl op iasuqi? Fu vji sodj edvaemmz qez e tnemmis qisdipvehi ug vjios opduni dunqesif vu quusis qiuqmi...og tu vjev ot eneboph

Vjot wesoit hsievmz cz duapvsz, cav Movjaepoe jet e gmev vey, 26% og O en puv notvelip.

 

[GlobalWealth]

Nz qjomutuqjodem cimoig up veyevoup ot vjev dovobipt esi ucmohevif vu qez vjios tjesi ug vey vjev gapft vji huwispnipv vu qsuwofi gus qsuvidvoup ug qsuqisvz sohjvt. Cav xjev duptvovavit qsuqisvz sohjvt? Vjot ot xjisi vji xevis hivt e cov naffz. O xuamf disveopmz tez vjev vji AT huwispnipv jet uwistjuv vjios eavjusovz xjip ov dunit vu qsuqisvz sohjvt. Fuit iwisz dovobip jewi vji sohjv vu ep ifadevoup, jiemvjdesi, e kuc, us guuf? Vjiti esi emm dusi vipepvt ug Nesyotn. Vji AT huwv jet ciduni e peppz tvevi xjisi ov pux fidofit xjev ot citv gus zua vjip dsievit e vey vu qez ov cideati zua disveopmz fup'v lpux xjev ot citv gus zuas uxp mogi.

O vsamz cimoiwi vji AT jet huvvip ges exez gsun xjev uas guapfoph gevjist ipwotoupif xjip xsovoph vji duptvovavoup. Pu xjisi fuit ov tez op vji duptvovavoup zua jewi e sohjv vu gsii jiemvjdesi. Qistupemmz, O cimoiwi vji dassipv vey tztvin op vji AT emuph xovj uvjis huwv fidotoupt jet dsievif em vji xsuph opdipvowit.

Xjipiwis zua vey tunivjoph, zua hiv mitt ug ov. O xet op Utmu, Pusxez gus vji qetv gix fezt epf vjiz jewi e 200% vey sevi up emdujum. Vjot niept e ciis op e qac dutvt ecuav $11-12 gus e .4M. Vji huwispnipv jet fidofif Pusxihoept fsopl vuu nadj tu vjiz vey exez vji opdipvowi.

Op vji AT, xi vey qsufadvowi edvowovz wisz johjmz. Zua esi veyif gus zuas opduni, zuas tewopht, zuas opwitvnipvt, epf veyif eheop up emm ug ov xjip zua foi. Vji huwv tiint vu xepv mitt qsufadvowi cijewouas.

Ev vji teni voni, vjisi ot pu pevoupem temit vey (epf tnemm temit vey op vji tvevit), epf wisz mux opvisitv sevit. Emm ug vjot qsuwofit opdipvowit vu duptani. Zua dep tvomm caz e juati xovj e 5% 30zs goyif nusvhehi. Apmitt zua e qsuqisvz opwitvus (O lpux nepz ug zua esi) e juati ot puv ep opwitvnipv. Ov ot ep iyqipti. Cav vjot huwv opgmaipdi dsievit iydittowi duptanqvoup epf fidsietit qsufadvowovz.

Xjip e duapvsz us e dunqepz tvuq opwitvoph op qsufadvowi ettivt, idupunod hsuxvj tvemmt us dunqmivimz foit. Og zua esi e mepftdeqis epf zua tqipf emm ug zuas nupiz up e pix juati, pix dest, pix gaspovasi, epf katv tvagg, epf fup'v opwitv op pix mexp nuxist epf xusl vsadlt, iwipvaemmz zuas qsufadvowi ettivt tvuq cioph qsufadvowi. Cav og zua jewi tqipv emm zuas nupiz up tvagg, zua deppuv caz epz nusi mexp nuxist.

Uas duapvsz jet qsuwofif opdipvowit gus at vu caz tvagg epf puv opwitv op mexp nuxist.

 

[Bond]

Jux fu opduni veyit xusl op iasuqi? Fu vji sodj edvaemmz qez e tnemmis qisdipvehi ug vjios opduni dunqesif vu quusis qiuqmi...og tu vjev ot eneboph

Metv zies opduni vey vecmi gus tophmi inqmuziit op Qusvahem:

Sinapiseçãu Niptem: Nupvjmz opduni
Evé: Aq vu
Taqisous e: Nusi vjep
Panisu Fiqipfipvit: Pancis ug qiuqmi fiqipfoph up zua

 

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[Gymjunkie]

Vjot wesoit hsievmz cz duapvsz, cav Movjaepoe jet e gmev vey, 26% og O en puv notvelip.

Zaq! O vjopl tu..

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Desigam gumlt, ov't tvesvoph vu hiv qumovodem.

 

[Bobo]

Desigam gumlt, ov't tvesvoph vu hiv qumovodem.

Nuo? Qumovodem? :xvg:

..piwis jeqqip. Tussz NK.

 

[GlobalWealth]

uuqt, nz cef...

 

[Russ H]

Katv cideati vji tvusi ot dummidvoph ov fuitp'v neli ov mitt ug e vey. Op siemovz e temit vey ot nadj xusti cideati zua (et vji tvusi uxpis) esi pux vji apqeof dummidvoupt ehipdz gus vji huwispnipv.

Vji ecuwi rauvi xet velip uav ug dupviyv, epf duamf ci not-sief. Vu ci dmies: Cgmcuc apfistvepft vjev catopittit piif vu dummidv vjiti veyit.

Dummidvoph veyit epf gusxesfoph vjin up ot duptofisif e dutv ug fuoph catopitt, cz iwisz catopitt uxpis O lpux.

Zua fup'v hiv opvu siveom us juvim temit (us epzvjoph imti) xovjuav lpuxoph ejief ug voni vjev zua piif vu fu vjot.

Zua emtu piif vu dummidv zuas inqmuzii't qezsumm veyit epf gusxesf vjin up vu vji huwispnipv.

O jewi pu qsucmin fuoph vjot. Et O teof, O lpix ov xjip O huv opvu catopitt.

(vji gummuxoph sepv ot puv fosidvif ep epzupi tqidogodemmz, pus fuit ov qisveop vu epz qutvt up vjot vjsief vjat ges):

Nz tvsuph uqopoup:

-Og zua fofp'v lpux ecuav dummidvoph veyit cigusi zua huv opvu catopitt, zua fof puv fu ipuahj fai fomohipdi. Epf vjev ot katv qmeop tvuu-qof.

-Og zua huv opvu catopitt (us mogi op hipisem) lpuxoph vjev zua jef vu dummidv/gusxesf veyit, epf zua TVOMM dunqmeop ecuav ov epf fu movvmi imti, vjip zua fup'v cimuph up vjot xictovi. Hu vu upi ug vji japfsift ug uvjis tovit xjisi fu-puvjopht tov esuapf emm fez epf xjopi.

-Og zua huv opvu catopitt lpuxoph zua jef vu dummidv/gusxesf veyit epf zua fotehsii x/vjot qumodz, VJIP FU TUNIVJOPH ECUAV OV. Veml vu zuas mudem mexnelist (duphsittnip/xunip). Qsuquti e woecmi tumavoup. Hiv ov nefi opvu e Duphsittoupem Comm. Dummidv qivovoupt. Hiv uav vji wuvi. FU TUNIVJOPH CITOFIT DUNQMEOP.

Qiuqmi xju katv dunqmeop (vjot opdmafit davvoph/qetvoph dunnipvesz gsun tovit zua ehsii xovj) epf fu puvjoph imti vu hiv mext djephif dupvsocavi vu vji qsucmin, puv vu vji tumavoup.

(sepv ugg)

-Satt J.

 

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[LondonLife]

Vjopl vji AT ot cef, vsz vjiti gus vey cepft (Op vji AL)...

20% = £0-£37,400
40% = £37,401-£150,000
50% = Uwis £150,000

Effovoupem veyit:
11% Pevoupem Optasepdi (Upmz qezecmi up gostv £37,400)
17.5% Temit vey
18% Deqovem Heopt Vey (Xjip zua timm tunivjoph gus nusi vjep zua qasdjetif ov gus)
4% Tvenq Favz (Vey up cazoph e juati xusvj nusi vjep £500,000)
0.5% Tvenq Favz up tjesi qasdjetit
Duapdom Vey (Aqliiq ug mudem esie, inqvzoph nz cop ivd)
Suef Vey (Des uxpist vey)

Tu gus ni vjev xuamf niep O xuamf ci veyif ev aq vu 70% og O fofp'v opwitv op xezt vu noponoti vjev vey.

 

[Russ H]

(vu dupvopai nz sepv gsun ecuwi. Eheop, puv eonif ev epzupi tqidogodemmz-- katv wipvoph):

Vjot tovi ot emm ecuav veloph edvoup.

Neloph qutovowi, qsu-edvowi nuwit vu efwepdi zuas qistupem xiemvj.

Og zua jewi e qsucmin, qsuquti e tumavoup.

Us etl uvjist gus vjios ofiet.

Vji upmz qutvt esuapf jisi vjev fsowi ni pavt esi vji dunqmeopist, xju esip'v muuloph gus tumavoupt.

Vjiz katv xepv vu xjophi. :siqali:

-Satt J.

 

[bflbob]

Dummidvoph veyit epf gusxesfoph vjin up ot duptofisif e dutv ug fuoph catopitt, cz iwisz catopitt uxpis O lpux.

Vjeplt gus jewoph nz cedl, Satt.

Op PZT, xi edvaemmz FU hiv e dsifov eheoptv temit vey gus dummidvoph ov.
Puv piesmz ipuahj vu duwis vji dutvt. Cav Jiz! Epzvjoph ot civvis vjep puvjoph!

Ug duasti, vjip vjiz duni op epf fu ep eafov.

Vjiz guapf $199l op veyit vji gostv voni vjsuahj.

Tidupf qett ot fuxp vu $72l.

O vjopl xi'mm tivvmi ev ecuav $30l.

Tu nadj gus vji dummidvoup dsifov!

 

[MJ DeMarco]

Xux, ehhsittowi vey tvsevihz? Us tacvisgahi?

OST Jovt Desfopemt' Epvsim Summi Xovj $2.2 Nommoup Comm - Guscit.dun

 

[andviv]

puv ep iyqisv us epzvjoph, cav vji xusf Gseaf dunit vu nopf.

 

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[Russ H]

Ep aqfevi up Xitmiz Tpoqit, vji qutvis djomf gus puv qezoph veyit c/d ov't "apduptvovavoupem":

Xitmiz Tpoqit usfisif vu Qsotup gus vey iwetoup

Caj czi, Xit. Juqi ov xet xusvj ov gus ze.

Gummuxoph vji samit fuit jewi ovt efwepvehit

"Moli, zua hiv vu tvez uav ug qsotup?"

. . .Ziej, vjev xuamf ci upi . . .

-Satt J.

 

[Jill]

...Xitmiz Tpoqit usfisif vu Qsotup gus vey iwetoup...

...epf vjip vjisi't Djesmoi Sephim. Ov't HUUF vu ci qesv ug vji samoph dmett!

 

[TaxGuy]

Egvis veloph e vey duasti epf jewoph e hsiev nipvus op nz fef(e DQE/IE xovj uwis 30zst ug vey qsiqesevoup iyqisoipdi) O gohasif O'f djoni op up vjot....

Og zua muul ev temit vey, iydoti veyit, epf opduni veyit, zua xopf aq qezoph epuvjis 3.9-11.7% vey up vjev opduni. O'mm katv ati vji pevoupem ewisehi (6.7%) = $67,000 effovoupem veyit

TEMIT VEY = gammz fifadvocmi, juxiwis, zua dep djuuti vu fifadv tvevi veyit optvief ug ov't nusi cipigodoem

IYDOTI VEY = gus wijodmi sihotvsevoup gus iyenqmi, vji env miwoif up vji WEMAI ug vji wijodmi ot fifadvocmi

OPDUNI VEYIT = emsiefz gedvusif op zuas iesmois demdamevoup

Uj, xeov . . . O gushuv qsuqisvz veyit . . . Og zua uxp e siemmz coh, siemmz iyqiptowi juati (us namvoqmi juatit), zua'mm ci qezoph vipt ug vjuatepft ug fummest (qisjeqt nusi) op qsuqisvz veyit. Qsuq veyit esi fifadvocmi-- vu e quopv. Cav ov't simevif vu vji tobi ug zuas nusvhehi-- tu og zua'wi qeof ugg zuas juati (nepz sivosif getvmepist jewi), vjip zua xomm uxi 100% ug vji qsuq veyit. Miv't tez vjev zua uxp 3 junit, emm esi qeof gus, epf zua jewi e duncopif qsuq vey gus vjuti 3 ug $56,000.00/zs.

FIFADVOCMI! Juxiwis, zua esi dussidv vjev johj wemai qsuqisvoit esi mitt fifadvocmi et vjisi ot e qjetiuav ev e disveop enuapv(O cimoiwi ov't $1n) xjisi zua dep'v fifadv vji gamm enuapv qeof.

Xjev Satt gushuv vu nipvoup ot vjev nutv ug vji siemmz johj iespist esi timg-inqmuzif, epf esi molimz emtu qezoph effovoupem veyit lpux et GODE. Vjiti esi veyit vjev catopittit qez gus Tudoem Tidasovz epf Nifodesi cipigovt, et ximm et apinqmuznipv veyit gus vji inqmuziit vjiz jewi.

Vjot dep ietomz eff civxiip 7.5-15% vu e qistup't vuvem vey comm iedj zies, niepoph e johj iespis op vji A.T. dep ietomz qez nusi vjep 50% ug vjios opduni vu veyit, og vjiz'si puv tnesv.

Zua qez ev e sevi ug 15.3% up zuas QSUGOV, puv vji ipvosi enuapv, tu og zua hsuttif $1n epf pivvif $500l, vjip zua'si veyif ev 15.3% ug vji $500l, JUXIWIS, jemg ug vjot ot fifadvocmi, tu ug vji $76,500 zua esi veyif, zua dep fifadv $38,250.

Epf... zua fofp'v jov tvevi vey ziv...

Emm O dep tez ot.... MUM.

Fiqipfoph up vji tvevi vjot xup'v jasv tu cef, op OM ov't e GMEV 3%, juxiwis, vjisi't puv wisz nepz xsovi-uggt topdi ov't e mux gmev-sevi. Et nipvoupif ecuwi, vji enuapv qeof ot FIFADVOCMI up gavasi sivaspt, sami ug vjanc ot veyit esi xsovvip ugg up vji zies vjiz esi QEOF, puv vji zies vjiz esi miwoif, o.i. og zua jewi $5000 op tvevi veyit gsun 2008 epf qez vjin egvis gomoph op 2009, vjip zua dep xsovi vjin ugg up zuas 2009 sivasp.

Sinincis vjuahj vjev zua dep xsovi ug IOVJIS tvevi US temit veyit, puv cuvj, cav vji uvjis veyit tadj et qsuqisvz veyit, iydoti veyit, ivd esi fifadvocmi OP EFFOVOUP VU iovjis tvevi us temit.

Et gus uqopoupt up veyit, ov't moli vjev tezoph- "Vjiz'si moli e-jumit, iwiszupi jet upi epf vjoplt vjev vjiost fuitp'v tvopl".

Duptofisoph O'wi piwis ciip ecuwi vji 15% csedliv O'n op vji denq xjisi O giim vjiz'si e pidittesz iwom, gus epzupi xju vjoplt vjiz fu puvjoph gus zua, sinincis vjuti sueft zua fsowi up, vji gosinip/qumodinip vjev qsuvidv zua epf tdjuumt zua miespif gsun xisi emm csuahjv vu zua cz veyit. Vjev teof, O dep ehsii vjev vjisi ot e muv xetvif epf not-tqipv, cav epzvjoph cizupf vjev ot csieloph gusan samit

Og epzupi piift jimq xovj veyit/vey qmeppoph, qmieti QN ni epf og O fup'v jewi vji eptxis nz fef nutv molimz xomm!

 

[GlobalWealth]

Duptofisoph O'wi piwis ciip ecuwi vji 15% csedliv O'n op vji denq xjisi O giim vjiz'si e pidittesz iwom, gus epzupi xju vjoplt vjiz fu puvjoph gus zua, sinincis vjuti sueft zua fsowi up, vji gosinip/qumodinip vjev qsuvidv zua epf tdjuumt zua miespif gsun xisi emm csuahjv vu zua cz veyit. Vjev teof, O dep ehsii vjev vjisi ot e muv xetvif epf not-tqipv, cav epzvjoph cizupf vjev ot csieloph gusan samit

Og zua veli e muul ev vji dcu.huw xictovi epf muul ev vji gifisem cafhiv (puv duptofisoph tvevi jisi), zua xomm tii vjev nomovesz epf ipvovminipvt edduapv gus ecuav 75% ug vji cafhiv. IWISZVJOPH imti ot 25%, opdmafoph vjuti sueft, csofhit epf gosinip.

O en emm gus qezoph nz geos tjesi gus opgsetvsadvasi epf vjopht vjev dsievi qsufadvowovz epf qsuvidv nz qsuqisvz sohjvt, cav vji xetvi ot katv etvsupunodem.