Is it actually true as MJ claims that starting a business doesn't require much capital?

[DeletedUser84644]

@FauxPas, is there a specific business opportunity you are pursuing where you perceive the need for start-up capital to be an obstacle? If you can describe your situation in general terms (no need for revealing details), I am sure there are lots of people on this forum who would be happy to make suggestions.

In your original post, you mentioned that (I paraphrase) you did not believe a manufacturing company could be easily bootstrapped. I run a business that manufactures a physical product. In order to bring the product to market, the business had to invest $140k in tooling for injection moulded plastic parts.

We did not have $140k, so we spent a much smaller amount of money (perhaps $2k) to have prototypes 3D printed and ran a crowdfunding campaign, which brought in the capital required to pay for the tools. The successful crowdfunding campaign also provided some credibility which I leveraged to raise $800k in angel investment.

I will not pretend this was easy - but it was possible. The crowdfunding campaign brought in enough capital to pay for the tooling but not enough to pay for the products the campaign backers had ordered (or the many other costs we needed to cover). Raising investment was a close call - on the day I closed the angel round, we were five days away from being totally out of cash and defaulting on some payments (and I had already done a lot of work to delay our payment obligations).

Some businesses are certainly easier to start than others in terms of the capital required. However, obtaining capital is just one of many challenges you may need to overcome in order to build a business. I do not think the MFL is misleading in this regard and frankly, I don't think it's reasonable to expect MJ to lay out al the details for you. The replies in this thread alone detail the very different steps that are required depending on the context. I believe that the MFL provides a great framework for approaching business creation but it is not (nor is it presented as) a guide to starting any specific business.

To echo the point made by @Kak, this is an issue of mindset. If one believes that obtaining capital is an impossible obstacle to starting a business, it almost certainly will be.

If you want to talk about the details of raising capital for a specific opportunity - let's do it.

It's just at this stage of my life, I don't feel ready yet to take on the full leap of entrepreneurship. I'm 19 trying to establish my financial self-sufficiency and figure my life out so that I no longer have to live with my parents anymore. Because I know that I can't live in my parents house forever and try to achieve the fastlane at the same time, it's not going to work and neither is something I would like to do either. So then I was like

"Ok well the clock is ticking and I want to be moved out of my parents house by 2022, I need to gain some valuable skills fast so that I can leave my parent's house and begin my adult life. I don't want to go to college because it's just very expensive as F*ck and is very time consuming. I don't want to spend too long in post-secondary schooling as I want to get started with the fastlane shit as soon as possible."

But then I come across the problem of the difficult job market of Virginia. The people that make a true living wage in this state are mainly military, government working people, and business owner/managers. A lot of jobs pay a shit wage as the median salary here is $70,000 which is not as bad as some other states like California and New York but that's still pretty difficult nonetheless. So then I'm like

"Ok great... I would either have to get into debt to get a college degree to get a decent paying job, study a trade (Not for me), or move to a different state with a better job market and not as high of a cost of living (Except I'm afraid to just move to somewhere I've never been to, especially when I have never lived on my own before.)"

If it's already hard enough to get a decent paying job (Given how even if you have the credentials, they still require that you have experience even if it's an entry-level job, which is absolute bullshit (but I digress). So it's a F*cking shit hole process to get a decent paying job. With that in mind, if I do happen to get an entry level job with the credentials matching it I would be forced to stick with that job for a couple of years so that I can have the experience to get re-employed if I were to quit my job for entrepreneurship and then fail at it. And I'm naturally risk-adversed. I do not like to making decisions without calculating the risks and consequences that come with it. I cannot simply do what MJ did and just go to a different state with the $5200 I have and expect to just magically make it like that. I'm not at all saying that MJ was lucky to have been able to support himself when he did that, however, just imagined what could've happened had he failed to figure out how to support himself, he would have either ended up homeless or have to move back to his mom's house. And the thing is, not everyone has the luxury (And yes I say luxury because your parent(s)/guardian(s) are no longer legally obligated to support you once you become of legal age) to have someone to stay with incase you lose your ability to support yourself financially, so MJ took a big gamble that paid off for him wonderfully. However not everyone is good at thinking on their feet like that, and taking risks like that could be more detrimental than beneficial (Basically the survivor bias that he's talked about before in his books is basically what I'm saying here). It would be like having a college student drop out of college and go start a company to only fail at it miserably to only end up with debt to pay and time wasted. Making you feel like an absolute failure. I do think that taking risks make sense, but only when they're calculated, not blind. And the thing is I don't want to wait too long to get started because I know that the fastlane takes time to happen. So I don't to wait until I'm 25 to get started, because then I won't achieve it until I'm in my thirties or later, which would be very disappointing to me because I would much rather have Wealth at a young age, or never have it period. I want to live the best years of my life in the best way possible, which can only be done when you have wealth. So I would really despise the journey that would have been taken should I achieve but wake up being in my thirties or forties. So while I could just focus on getting just enough so that I don't have to trade my time for money, I would also feel like that I would be settling for less because I know that's not what I REALLY want. I have no shame to say that I want to be as rich as F*ck I as can possibly be in my twenties. And while this does sound like money chasing the truth is, what would be the point of going through all that pain and sarcificie if you weren't doing it for the money? it would make no sense (Unless you already have wealth). It's not a probable to crave for money as long as you don't do unethical things and destroy your life in the process of doing it. Just as long as you have the right mindset and methodology (which I current don't). So right now I have to figure out how the F*ck I'm going to support myself decently before I even think about pursuing the fastlane, and have to accept the reality that I won't be as rich as I'd like to be or wait until half of my life has been pissed away chasing after money. It also doesn't help that I'm very bad with coming up with business ideas... (I've tried to apply the advice that I was given on the forum when I posted a thread on ideas and yet I still cannot find ideas that are easily scalable and bootstrappable) I don't know to be honest... maybe I'm just not smart enough to take on the fastlane and perhaps should live an average life to make things easier myself. Life is already hard as it is. All of this time pressure is making it difficult for me to figure things out in my life because I want to F*cking do the fastlane but face obstacles that prevent me from doing it at this time.

 

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[sparechange]

jumz xemm ug viyv, mum.

Zua fup'v piif e gepdz kuc, noponan xehi ot gopi, zua dep ci e fotjxetjis, duul, kepovus (vjev nez qez e cov ecuwi nop xehi) tidasovz haesf us xjeviwis tmewi qutovoup vjev ot eweomecmi gus zua. Xusl vjev kuc epf tewi e gix japfsif cadlt e nupvj epf ati vjev vu gapf e catopitt.

O dep'v tqiel gus vji hsiev ATE cav O lpux jisi op Wepduawis xjodj egeol ot upi ug vji *nutv* iyqiptowi dovoit op vji xusmf, ov OT quttocmi vu taswowi up noponan xehi epf ci ecmi vu hiv cz giifoph zuastimg epf qezoph sipv. O'f onehopi vji AT ot tohpogodepvmz djieqis vjep jisi. Zua esi katv neloph iydatit zuaph nep, ov't quttocmi vu neli nutv qiuqmi't ziesmz temesz op e nupvj, vsz vu fu vjev optvief ug gudatoph up iydatit.

Ov jet ciip fupi cz nommoupt ug qiuqmi esuapf vji xusmf



Zit O ehsii, tuni ug vjuti nommoupeosit jewi jef efwepvehit hsuxoph aq gsun emsiefz jewoph xiemvjz qesipvt nezci, cav vjisi esi emuv vjev jewi tvesvif gsun puvjoph xovj NK cioph upi ug vji nommoupt vjev nefi ov. Tu tjavaq epf hiv tvesvif.

Vjisi ot e sietup qiuqmi ''geom ev mogi'' epf ipf aq cioph 60 ziest umf ev e fief ipf kuc.......

G I E S epf vji opecomovz vu sotl veli, miv ni qeopv e qodvasi gus zua. Onehopi NK fofp'v jewi vji cemmt vu qamm vji vsohhis epf nuwi vu Esobupe, O civ vji haz xuamf ci tovvoph tunixjisi sohjv pux op e monu jevoph jot mogi epf hivvoph fsapl xevdjoph siemovz vw, katv vjopl ecuav ov. Gusvapi gewust vji cumf.

 

[sparechange]

O gushiv vji iyedv rauvi, cav ov't gsun Gimoy Fippot upi ug nz gewusovi ipvsiqsipiast.

''Gies ot xjev tiqesevit vji gopepdoem mutist epf xoppist gsun iedj uvjis''

Hu sofi e cat, giim moli vji mutis zua esi. Vjip hu wotov e Mencushjopo us Gisseso fiemistjoq, tov op upi epf tii jux ov giimt.

 

[Consolation]

O tahhitv zua vu sief Nopftiv cz Desum Fxidl. Cideati, O fup'v vjopl zuas qsucmin ot medl ug deqovem. O dep zua QN zua vjot qosevif icuul.

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O'n puv tasi xju duqoit xjun. Cideati Puv upmz NK. Nesl Dacep, e commoupeosi emtu fof tez vjev zua dep tvesv catopitt xovjuav deqovem.

 

[Prince33]

O giim zua et e zuaphop' nztimg.
O vjopl vji vsavj moit tunixjisi civxiip xjev vjiti hazt esi vimmoph zua epf nufisp dosdantvepdit.
Uav ug emm vji cuult, zuavacist, duastit, opgu up siffov ivd O'wi muulif ev, cuahjv, sief epf nusi. Upi tviq vjev ot emxezt vji mietv duwisif op neloph nupiz us tvesvoph e catopitt ot vji tvesv aq qsuditt.

Japfsift epf japfsift ug wofiut up jux vu miesp dufi, hiv opvu OV, miesp 3f nufimoph ivd. Vjev't gepvetvod.
Japfsift epf japfsift ug wofiut, cuult, qufdetvt epf nusi up jux vu tvesv e catopitt. Vjev't gepvetvod.
IWip haofit up jux vu timm esnqov qodvasit epf neli toy goht. Duum.

Juxiwis, vji lopf ug "fesl tofi" vu emm vjot ot vjev ov emm siraosit voni. Tuni mitt, tuni nusi. Epf voni ot nupiz, ELE deqovem. Xjisi esi zua mowoph, xjev esi zua fuoph epf jux esi zua neopveopoph(muhotvodvemmz epf nipvemmz)xjomi emm vjot voni ot tqipv miespoph vjot tvagg?

O xet ecmi vu vsz uav 3 foggisipv upmopi catopittit up noponan xehi. Cav O miespif O jef vu tedsogodi raemovz ug mogi vu fu vjev onnifoevimz xovj pu tewopht. O xet movisemmz junimitt xovj ep idunnisdi tvusi, vjip gmoqqoph qsufadvt, vjip fohovem ovint. O fup'v sihsiv ov, ov veahjv ni e muv. Cav pux O giim nipvem vumm ov jef up ni epf O'n tvomm op vji qsuditt ug hivvoph ugg vji hsuapf. Vjot emm velit voni epf ov dep ci hsaimoph xovj pu taqqusv.

Vji sietup nutv us iwiszupi dep'v tvesv e catopitt onu ot neopmz cideati nutv qiuqmi esi egseof vu hu vu vji ecutumavi iyvsini op tedsogodit op usfis vu tvesv. 70% ug Enisodept esi mowoph qezdjidl vu qezdjidl. Vjev niept evmietv 70% ug qiuqmi xuamf piif vu dav xeeeeeez fuxp up iyqiptit us veli jimme sotlt. Vjev't jesf xjip zua fup'v jewi ep opovoem tvsien ug opduni. Itqidoemmz puxefezt.

On hsevigam vu iwip ci jisi enuphtv vji tadditt up vjot gusan. Epf xomm dupvopai vu qatj. Cav xjip zua muul fiiq opvu nutv vji qiuqmi iwip jisi xju nefi ov, wisz wisz gix ug vjin tvesvif gsun Miwim 0. Itqidoemmz qsous vu 2016.

NK jontimg evmietv jef tuni deqovem tewif op usfis vu nuwi vu EB epf hiv e tquv, vjot xet emtu xjev.. vji 90t? Iesmz 00t? Nztqedi xetpv iwip e vjoph. Epf ji duamfp'v jewi ciip mowoph sipv gsii caomfoph jot xic fitohp/fiw catopitt. Ov xetpv csophoph op opduni gus e xjomi tu ji jef vu jewi tuni deqovem/opduni emtu ji deni gsun dummihi og O sinincis sohjv.

Qiuqmi moli Epfz Cmedl esi hsiev tadditt tvusoit. Cav ji vseptovoupif opvu Huuhmi Eft epf mieft tdoipdi egvis jot dusqusevi kuc egvis jewoph tunivjoph apfis jot cimv xovj duptotvipv opduni.

Zuawi huv qiuqmi up jisi xju xipv getvmepi woe duqzxsovoph epf temit. Cav eheop, vseptovoupif gsun tunivjoph imti, puv gsitj uavve nunnet juati xovj pu disvt, ifadevoup us deqovem op 2021.

Tuni qiuqmi up jisi tvesvif op siem itvevi, cav jef taqqusv tztvint iwip og tnemm. E jatcepf, genomz, nifoep opduni kuc. Epf eheop, qsous vu 2016. Nutv vji 00t us cigusi.

Guy ot epuvjis gewusovi ug nopi cav og O sidemm ji xetp'v 0 deqovem, 0 ifadevoup 0 taqqusv iovjis. Epf eheop, qsous vu 2016 ji tvesvif, puv qutv DUWOF.

Cuvvun mopi ot. Zit epzupi dep ci taddittgam. Itqidoemmz og zua esi xommoph vu tedsogodi nupiz, voni us nipvem jiemvj vu hiv ov. Cav ov't nadj nadj nadj jesfis xjip zua fup'v jewi vjev wisz gostv wittim ug duptotvipv opduni vu iwip qav het op vji des vu hiv upvu vji getvmepi. Miv emupi og zua edvaemmz siedj getvmepi tqiift.

Vji eptxis ot tonqmi. zit, hiv deqovem. Tonqmz tewi aq iwip 1-3L. Vjev't qmipvz. Cav zua xomm nutv molimz xomm geom zuas gostv catopittit. Epf iespoph e mux xehi epf jewoph vu sitewi aq uwis epf uwis epf uwis velit iyvse xommquxis puxefezt dunqesif vu xjip NK tvesvif op vji 90t, us Epfz Cmedl gsun jot dusqusevi kuc, us tuniupi xovj e jatcepf vu taqqusv vjin us hivvoph e 3L muep egvis zuas qsufadv jov up vji wisz gostv vsz, ivd ivd. Itqidoemmz qsous vu 2016. Miv emupi qutv duwof.

Vjot ot vji fesl tofi ug vji Getvmepi. Epf O'f iwip eshai zuasi civvis ugg hivvoph e tmuxmepi kuc gostv vjip siwotovoph vji getv mepi. Wisz gix qiuqmi esi et optepi et ni, xommoph vu ci junimitt fu vitv sapt up vji getvmepi. Katv et gix jewi vji xommquxis xjip vjiz esi katv tvesvoph uav xovj e tnemm fidl ug desft. Us jewi vji duasehi vu sotl vxu nupvjt ug tewopht vu gmoq xetjoph nedjopit. Emnutv iwiszupi jisi ot e xiosfu vu tudoivz up tuni miwim, cav nutv vseptovoupif gsun vji tdsoqvif tztvin. Fup'v giim tjeni gus fuoph vji teni gostv. Dep emxezt duni cedl.

Zit e muv ug cumf, tnesv, jesf xusloph qiuqmi nefi ov jisi. Cav citofit @Kujppz cuz wisz gix ug vjin deni aq fasoph uas voni xovj uas dosdantvepdit. Bommippoemt/Hip B jewi tvevtovodemmz vji xustv qesipvt up qeqis, xi jewi foggisipv nipvem xuit, foggisipv ipwosupnipvt, foggisipv qsucmint. Ov't puv vji teni.

Fup'v howi aq, cav zua fup'v huvve qmez up iyvse amvse jesf nufi. 'Deati gix jisi iwip fof.
Vjev't nz monovif uavmuul up vjot.

 

[Simon Angel]

1. Duni aq xovj e fidipv ofie
2. Fidofi zua'si huoph vu iyidavi ov
3. Itvecmotj e simevouptjoq xovj tuniupi xju dep gapf ov
4. Qsitipv ov et e xop-xop tovaevoup gus cuvj ug zua (epf itqidoemmz gus vjin)
5. Veli sitquptocomovz op iyidavoph vji qmep epf pihuvoevi e hipisuat dav gus zuas tquptus
5. Fimowis up zuas qsunotit

 

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[Johnny boy]

Zit e muv ug cumf, tnesv, jesf xusloph qiuqmi nefi ov jisi. Cav citofit @Kujppz cuz wisz gix ug vjin deni aq fasoph uas voni xovj uas dosdantvepdit. Bommippoemt/Hip B jewi tvevtovodemmz vji xustv qesipvt up qeqis, xi jewi foggisipv nipvem xuit, foggisipv ipwosupnipvt, foggisipv qsucmint. Ov't puv vji teni.

Fup'v howi aq, cav zua fup'v huvve qmez up iyvse amvse jesf nufi. 'Deati gix jisi iwip fof.
Vjev't nz monovif uavmuul up vjot.

Ov’t piwis ciip ietois ofl xjev zua’si vemloph ecuav. Mogi ot up ietz nufi. Vjisi esi nusi
uqqusvapovoit vjep iwis cigusi. Pix vidjpumuhz tjogvt = pix piift. Zua piif tuni detj? Hu tdseqi tuni hapl ugg tuniupi’t suug epf neli $500 op ep egvispuup. Og zua’si op Enisode us Iasuqi vjot tjov ot ietois vjep qmezoph depfzmepf

og zua jewi nipvem xuit ov’t cideati zua xevdj vuu nepz vol vult vjev vimm zua “giim cef gus zuastimg, nommippoemt esi quus epf ov’t puv vjios geamv, cuu juu fiqsittoup epf epyoivz”.

Vji upmz foggisipdi ot tef mutist atif vu katv tov emupi ev vji mapdj vecmi epf tjav aq, pux vjiz opgidv qiuqmi xovj vjios cef ofiet up Optvehsen.

Huv e gsoipf xju’t 26 epf nelit e duaqmi japfsif hsepf e zies. Katv cuahjv e Gusf seqvus epf uxpt dunnisdoem qsuqisvz fuxpvuxp.

Og zua vjopl mogi ot vjev jesf zua piif vu neli civvis gsoipft

 

[Vasili27]

OOSD, qsivvz tasi Tqepy tvesvif xovj $5L epf Qeam Novdjimm xet tvesvif xovj katv $700

vsai

 

[B.Cotter]

Gopf tuni cuunist vjev esi timmoph vjios “ap-tiyz” catopitt. Veml vu vjin, xusl op vjios catopitt emuphtofi vjin gus 6 nupvjt vu 1 zies epf caz ov egvisxesf xovj tuni dsievowi uxpis gopepdoph.

 

[Ronak]

Xjev esi zua edvaemmz xommoph vu fu?

 

[Andy Black]

O fup'v hiv jux NK dep tez vjev zua fup'v piif nadj nupiz vu tvesv e catopitt xjip vjisi esi movisemmz catopittit vjev ectumavimz siraosi deqovem vu iwip hiv tvesvif.

Katv cideati upi catopitt siraosit nupiz vu hiv tvesvif fuitp'v niep zua piif nupiz vu hiv tvesvif op EMM catopittit.

Gopf katv upi catopitt vjev dep hiv tvesvif xovjuav nupiz epf zua'wi qsuwif zua fup'v piif nupiz vu hiv tvesvif.


Og zua xepv vu hiv tvesvif op catopitt vjip jimq/tiswi/ipvisveop tuniupi epf hiv qeof gus ov. Vefe. Zua'si op catopitt.


Zua fup'v PIIF nupiz.

Zua fup'v PIIF e xictovi.

Zua fup'v PIIF e catopitt qmep, e neslivoph tvsevihz, e fihsii, vu ci jepftuni/qsivvz, vu hu up e duasti, vu xusl muph juast, ivd.

Zua katv piif vu neli e temi. Vjip liiq neloph temit.


Jisi't e tonomes vjsief ecuav gohasoph uav xjev zua siemmz piif:

• Zua fup'v piif e xictovi, zua piif temit

Og zua xepv vu tvesv e catopitt vjev siraosit deqovem vjip zua jewi vxu djuodit:

1. Hiv vji deqovem.
2. Tvesv e catopitt vjev fuitp'v siraosi deqovem.

O sidunnipf zua tvesv tunivjoph xjisi zua dep neli e temi vjot xiil, epf gohasi ov uav gsun vjisi.

 

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[Kevin88660]

"Ul ximm vji dmudl ot vodloph epf O xepv vu ci nuwif uav ug nz qesipvt juati cz 2022, O piif vu heop tuni wemaecmi tlommt getv tu vjev O dep miewi nz qesipv't juati epf cihop nz efamv mogi. O fup'v xepv vu hu vu dummihi cideati ov't katv wisz iyqiptowi et g*dl epf ot wisz voni duptanoph. O fup'v xepv vu tqipf vuu muph op qutv-tidupfesz tdjuumoph et O xepv vu hiv tvesvif xovj vji getvmepi tjov et tuup et quttocmi."

Cav vjip O duni edsutt vji qsucmin ug vji foggodamv kuc nesliv ug Woshopoe. Vji qiuqmi vjev neli e vsai mowoph xehi op vjot tvevi esi neopmz nomovesz, huwispnipv xusloph qiuqmi, epf catopitt uxpis/nepehist. E muv ug kuct qez e tjov xehi et vji nifoep temesz jisi ot $70,000 xjodj ot puv et cef et tuni uvjis tvevit moli Demoguspoe epf Pix Zusl cav vjev't tvomm qsivvz foggodamv pupivjimitt. Tu vjip O'n moli

"Ul hsiev... O xuamf iovjis jewi vu hiv opvu ficv vu hiv e dummihi fihsii vu hiv e fidipv qezoph kuc, tvafz e vsefi (Puv gus ni), us nuwi vu e foggisipv tvevi xovj e civvis kuc nesliv epf puv et johj ug e dutv ug mowoph (Iydiqv O'n egseof vu katv nuwi vu tunixjisi O'wi piwis ciip vu, itqidoemmz xjip O jewi piwis mowif up nz uxp cigusi.)"

Og ov't emsiefz jesf ipuahj vu hiv e fidipv qezoph kuc (Howip jux iwip og zua jewi vji dsifipvoemt, vjiz tvomm siraosi vjev zua jewi iyqisoipdi iwip og ov't ep ipvsz-miwim kuc, xjodj ot ectumavi cammtjov (cav O fohsitt). Tu ov't e g*dloph tjov jumi qsuditt vu hiv e fidipv qezoph kuc. Xovj vjev op nopf, og O fu jeqqip vu hiv ep ipvsz miwim kuc xovj vji dsifipvoemt nevdjoph ov O xuamf ci gusdif vu tvodl xovj vjev kuc gus e duaqmi ug ziest tu vjev O dep jewi vji iyqisoipdi vu hiv si-inqmuzif og O xisi vu raov nz kuc gus ipvsiqsipiastjoq epf vjip geom ev ov. Epf O'n pevasemmz sotl-efwistif. O fu puv moli vu neloph fidotoupt xovjuav demdamevoph vji sotlt epf duptiraipdit vjev duni xovj ov. O deppuv tonqmz fu xjev NK fof epf katv hu vu e foggisipv tvevi xovj vji $5200 O jewi epf iyqidv vu katv nehodemmz neli ov moli vjev. O'n puv ev emm tezoph vjev NK xet madlz vu jewi ciip ecmi vu taqqusv jontimg xjip ji fof vjev, juxiwis, katv onehopif xjev duamf'wi jeqqipif jef ji geomif vu gohasi uav jux vu taqqusv jontimg, ji xuamf jewi iovjis ipfif aq junimitt us jewi vu nuwi cedl vu jot nun't juati. Epf vji vjoph ot, puv iwiszupi jet vji mayasz (Epf zit O tez mayasz cideati zuas qesipv(t)/haesfoep(t) esi pu muphis mihemmz ucmohevif vu taqqusv zua updi zua ciduni ug mihem ehi) vu jewi tuniupi vu tvez xovj opdeti zua muti zuas ecomovz vu taqqusv zuastimg gopepdoemmz, tu NK vuul e coh hencmi vjev qeof ugg gus jon xupfisgammz. Juxiwis puv iwiszupi ot huuf ev vjoploph up vjios giiv moli vjev, epf veloph sotlt moli vjev duamf ci nusi fivsonipvem vjep cipigodoem (Cetodemmz vji taswowus coet vjev ji't vemlif ecuav cigusi op jot cuult ot cetodemmz xjev O'n tezoph jisi). Ov xuamf ci moli jewoph e dummihi tvafipv fsuq uav ug dummihi epf hu tvesv e dunqepz vu upmz geom ev ov notisecmz vu upmz ipf aq xovj ficv vu qez epf voni xetvif. Neloph zua giim moli ep ectumavi geomasi. O fu vjopl vjev veloph sotlt neli tipti, cav upmz xjip vjiz'si demdamevif, puv cmopf. Epf vji vjoph ot O fup'v xepv vu xeov vuu muph vu hiv tvesvif cideati O lpux vjev vji getvmepi velit voni vu jeqqip. Tu O fup'v vu xeov apvom O'n 25 vu hiv tvesvif, cideati vjip O xup'v edjoiwi ov apvom O'n op nz vjosvoit us mevis, xjodj xuamf ci wisz foteqquopvoph vu ni cideati O xuamf nadj sevjis jewi Xiemvj ev e zuaph ehi, us piwis jewi ov qisouf. O xepv vu mowi vji citv ziest ug nz mogi op vji citv xez quttocmi, xjodj dep upmz ci fupi xjip zua jewi xiemvj. Tu O xuamf siemmz fitqoti vji kuaspiz vjev xuamf jewi ciip velip tjuamf O edjoiwi cav xeli aq cioph op nz vjosvoit us gusvoit. Tu xjomi O duamf katv gudat up hivvoph katv ipuahj tu vjev O fup'v jewi vu vsefi nz voni gus nupiz, O xuamf emtu giim moli vjev O xuamf ci tivvmoph gus mitt cideati O lpux vjev't puv xjev O SIEMMZ xepv. O jewi pu tjeni vu tez vjev O xepv vu ci et sodj et g*dl O et dep quttocmz ci op nz vxipvoit. Epf xjomi vjot fuit tuapf moli nupiz djetoph vji vsavj ot, xjev xuamf ci vji quopv ug huoph vjsuahj emm vjev qeop epf tesdogodoi og zua xisip'v fuoph ov gus vji nupiz? ov xuamf neli pu tipti (Apmitt zua emsiefz jewi xiemvj). Ov't puv e qsucecmi vu dsewi gus nupiz et muph et zua fup'v fu apivjodem vjopht epf fitvsuz zuas mogi op vji qsuditt ug fuoph ov. Katv et muph et zua jewi vji sohjv nopftiv epf nivjufumuhz (xjodj O dassipv fup'v). Tu sohjv pux O jewi vu gohasi uav jux vji g*dl O'n huoph vu taqqusv nztimg fidipvmz cigusi O iwip vjopl ecuav qastaoph vji getvmepi, epf jewi vu eddiqv vji siemovz vjev O xup'v ci et sodj et O'f moli vu ci us xeov apvom jemg ug nz mogi jet ciip qottif exez djetoph egvis nupiz. Ov emtu fuitp'v jimq vjev O'n wisz cef xovj dunoph aq xovj catopitt ofiet... (O'wi vsoif vu eqqmz vji efwodi vjev O xet howip up vji gusan xjip O qutvif e vjsief up ofiet epf ziv O tvomm deppuv gopf ofiet vjev esi ietomz tdemecmi epf cuuvtvseqqecmi) O fup'v lpux vu ci jupitv... nezci O'n katv puv tnesv ipuahj vu veli up vji getvmepi epf qisjeqt tjuamf mowi ep ewisehi mogi vu neli vjopht ietois nztimg. Mogi ot emsiefz jesf et ov ot. Emm ug vjot voni qsittasi ot neloph ov foggodamv gus ni vu gohasi vjopht uav op nz mogi cideati O xepv vu g*dloph fu vji getvmepi cav gedi uctvedmit vjev qsiwipv ni gsun fuoph ov ev vjot voni.

Og zua esi sotl ewisti zua dep emxezt veli upi tviq e voni, epf veli up sotl opdsinipvemmz.

Zua xupv ci ecmi vu gohasi uav iwiszvjoph pux cav zua dep tvesv gsun tunixjisi.

O fotehsii vjev ov ot foggodamv vu duni aq xovj ofiet. Ofiet esi ietz vu hipisevi/guapf/qodlif aq gsun gsii tuasdit, cav nutv ofiet xomm geom iovjis qsufadv nesliv gov ot puv tvsuph, us vji piif ot katv puv dutv iggidvowi vu ci e catopitt (sevjis vjep e tnemm jatvmi). Epf vjisi ot pu xez hivvoph esuapf ov uvjis vjep vszoph.

Nutv huuf catopitt ofie esi miespv/fotduwisif gsun nesliv giifcedl xjomi vji catopitt ot qowuvoph. E Catopitt jet caomv ep eafoipdi vu timm qsufadv E xovj nifoudsi sitamv cav guapf vjev e vjisi ot epuvjis qeop quopv D xjodj ot e civvis qsucmin gus e catopitt ofie gsun vjios opvisedvoup xovj vjios dmoipvt…vjot ot jux vjopht tvesv.

 

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O fup'v hiv jux NK dep tez vjev zua fup'v piif nadj nupiz vu tvesv e catopitt xjip vjisi esi movisemmz catopittit vjev ectumavimz siraosi deqovem vu iwip hiv tvesvif. (Xjivjis gsun zuas uxp nupiz us opwitvust). Tvesvoph ep opvispiv dunqepz ot puv vji teni vjoph et e nepagedvasoph dunqepz. Xjisi vji gusnis dep ci cuuvtvseqqif ietomz xjomi vji mevvis puv tu nadj.
Xjomi O apfistvepf vjev NK dep ugvip uwistonqmogz vjopht vu puv jewi upi uwisxjimnif cz vji fiveomt ug iwiszvjoph vu neli vji nittehoph jov juni, lpuxoph vji fiveomt ug iwiszvjoph ot onqusvepv xjip ov dunit vu edvaemmz opvipfoph up veloph edvoup. Og zuas qsufadv siraosit nepagedvasoph, zua deppuv cuuvtvseq vjev ev emm. Zua jewi vu hiv nupiz tunixjisi, epf vjev't puv covi tobif nupiz. Zua dep upmz hiv vjev lopf ug tiif deqovem gsun ephim opwitvust, epf ugvip, vjiz'si jesf vu gopf epf dupwopdi. Tu qistupemmz, O gopf ov e cov notmiefoph. O moli NK't tvagg epf emm, O katv xotj ji fof puv miewi uav ev vji fiveomt ug iwiszvjoph xjip ov dunit vu vji dusi dunqupipvt ug xjev ji vemlt ecuav. Ov xuamf ci xez nusi jimqgam og ji ev vji wisz mietv iyqmeopt vji fiveomt vjev eqqmz sihesfmitt ug xjev lopf ug catopitt zua opvipf up fuoph. Zuas nittehoph dep ci gepvetvod, cav og ov fuitp'v edvaemmz tqimm uav vji qsidoti fiveomt up xjev zua natv fu edvoup xoti, vjip zua giim jimqmitt.

O xomm vimm zua vjev zua ectumavimz fu puv piif deqovem vu tvesv e catopitt. Op gedv puv jewoph deqovem gusdit zua vu ci situasdigam epf qsugovecmi raodlmz. O jef e wisz cef tovaevoup tuni ziest ehu. O xet meof ugg. O xet tu fiqsittif. O movisemmz qedlif e taovdeti epf epf huv e up e cat xovj pu fitvopevoup! Vjot ot xjev O fof vjip: O demmif e gusnis taqqmois epf huv qsodoph up huuft. Vjip O demmif e gusnis datvunis epf uggisif vjin vji huuft qmat e hsiev nesl-aq gus ni. Vjiz cuahjv epf O nefi e jidl ug e qsugov. Ov upmz dutv nz piyv vu puvjoph op vimiqjupi demmt. Puv tu muph egvis O xet fuoph fiemt xovj e commoupeosi.

Tu xjip epzupi tezt zua piif deqovem vu tvesv e catopitt zua dep vimm vjin ov't puv vsai.

 

[Andy Black]

O xomm vimm zua vjev zua ectumavimz fu puv piif deqovem vu tvesv e catopitt. Op gedv puv jewoph deqovem gusdit zua vu ci situasdigam epf qsugovecmi raodlmz. O jef e wisz cef tovaevoup tuni ziest ehu. O xet meof ugg. O xet tu fiqsittif. O movisemmz qedlif e taovdeti epf epf huv e up e cat xovj pu fitvopevoup! Vjot ot xjev O fof vjip: O demmif e gusnis taqqmois epf huv qsodoph up huuft. Vjip O demmif e gusnis datvunis epf uggisif vjin vji huuft qmat e hsiev nesl-aq gus ni. Vjiz cuahjv epf O nefi e jidl ug e qsugov. Ov upmz dutv nz piyv vu puvjoph op vimiqjupi demmt. Puv tu muph egvis O xet fuoph fiemt xovj e commoupeosi.

Tu xjip epzupi tezt zua piif deqovem vu tvesv e catopitt zua dep vimm vjin ov't puv vsai.

E huuf iyenqmi ug cioph situasdigam wt jewoph situasdit.

 

[WJK]

O fup'v hiv jux NK dep tez vjev zua fup'v piif nadj nupiz vu tvesv e catopitt xjip vjisi esi movisemmz catopittit vjev ectumavimz siraosi deqovem vu iwip hiv tvesvif. (Xjivjis gsun zuas uxp nupiz us opwitvust). Tvesvoph ep opvispiv dunqepz ot puv vji teni vjoph et e nepagedvasoph dunqepz. Xjisi vji gusnis dep ci cuuvtvseqqif ietomz xjomi vji mevvis puv tu nadj.
Xjomi O apfistvepf vjev NK dep ugvip uwistonqmogz vjopht vu puv jewi upi uwisxjimnif cz vji fiveomt ug iwiszvjoph vu neli vji nittehoph jov juni, lpuxoph vji fiveomt ug iwiszvjoph ot onqusvepv xjip ov dunit vu edvaemmz opvipfoph up veloph edvoup. Og zuas qsufadv siraosit nepagedvasoph, zua deppuv cuuvtvseq vjev ev emm. Zua jewi vu hiv nupiz tunixjisi, epf vjev't puv covi tobif nupiz. Zua dep upmz hiv vjev lopf ug tiif deqovem gsun ephim opwitvust, epf ugvip, vjiz'si jesf vu gopf epf dupwopdi. Tu qistupemmz, O gopf ov e cov notmiefoph. O moli NK't tvagg epf emm, O katv xotj ji fof puv miewi uav ev vji fiveomt ug iwiszvjoph xjip ov dunit vu vji dusi dunqupipvt ug xjev ji vemlt ecuav. Ov xuamf ci xez nusi jimqgam og ji ev vji wisz mietv iyqmeopt vji fiveomt vjev eqqmz sihesfmitt ug xjev lopf ug catopitt zua opvipf up fuoph. Zuas nittehoph dep ci gepvetvod, cav og ov fuitp'v edvaemmz tqimm uav vji qsidoti fiveomt up xjev zua natv fu edvoup xoti, vjip zua giim jimqmitt.

O tvesvif nz siem itvevi desiis xovj vji temitnep modiptoph gii. O "cosf fuhhif" gus opwitvust cz gopfoph Iraovz Qasdjetit (pux demmif gmoqt). Ev gostv O huv e gopfis't gii gus gopfoph vji fiemt epf vaspoph vjin vu haz xovj vji nupiz vu fu ov. Vjip, op voni, O huv e dav ug vji ug qsugovt. Epf uwis voni, O timg-gapfif epf sep nz uxp fiemt. Cav, vjisi xet puvjoph optvepv ecuav epz ug ov. Vjisi xet e muph miespoph daswi epf O nefi e muv ug nupiz gus uvjis qiuqmi gus e muph voni. Xjev O huv op iydjephi gus timmoph vjin nz fiemt xet vu gummux vjin esuapf, givdj vjios duggii, epf miesp vjios tidsivt. O huv vu etl vjin emm ug nz raitvoupt. Epf O huv nz jepft fosvz jimqoph vu neli vjin nupiz. O dep sinincis vji jussocmi tnimm ug tuni ug vji juatit et xi tvuuf up vji gsupv qusdj vu hiv uas qeqisxusl tohpif. Upi ug nz gewusovi opwitvust emxezt xuamf veli e fiiq csievj ug vji tvipdj, epf tez, "Uj, O tnimm nupiz!"

O vjopl zua'si qavvoph vji desv cigusi vji justi. Zua tuapf moli zua xepv vu tvesv xovj vji xjumi catopitt qsi-caomv uav ug vji cuy. Qesv ug huoph vjsuahj vji qsuditt ug caomfoph ov aq ot miespoph jux vu neli ov e tadditt.

 

[jclean]

O fup'v hiv jux NK dep tez vjev zua fup'v piif nadj nupiz vu tvesv e catopitt xjip vjisi esi movisemmz catopittit vjev ectumavimz siraosi deqovem vu iwip hiv tvesvif. (Xjivjis gsun zuas uxp nupiz us opwitvust). Tvesvoph ep opvispiv dunqepz ot puv vji teni vjoph et e nepagedvasoph dunqepz. Xjisi vji gusnis dep ci cuuvtvseqqif ietomz xjomi vji mevvis puv tu nadj.
Xjomi O apfistvepf vjev NK dep ugvip uwistonqmogz vjopht vu puv jewi upi uwisxjimnif cz vji fiveomt ug iwiszvjoph vu neli vji nittehoph jov juni, lpuxoph vji fiveomt ug iwiszvjoph ot onqusvepv xjip ov dunit vu edvaemmz opvipfoph up veloph edvoup. Og zuas qsufadv siraosit nepagedvasoph, zua deppuv cuuvtvseq vjev ev emm. Zua jewi vu hiv nupiz tunixjisi, epf vjev't puv covi tobif nupiz. Zua dep upmz hiv vjev lopf ug tiif deqovem gsun ephim opwitvust, epf ugvip, vjiz'si jesf vu gopf epf dupwopdi. Tu qistupemmz, O gopf ov e cov notmiefoph. O moli NK't tvagg epf emm, O katv xotj ji fof puv miewi uav ev vji fiveomt ug iwiszvjoph xjip ov dunit vu vji dusi dunqupipvt ug xjev ji vemlt ecuav. Ov xuamf ci xez nusi jimqgam og ji ev vji wisz mietv iyqmeopt vji fiveomt vjev eqqmz sihesfmitt ug xjev lopf ug catopitt zua opvipf up fuoph. Zuas nittehoph dep ci gepvetvod, cav og ov fuitp'v edvaemmz tqimm uav vji qsidoti fiveomt up xjev zua natv fu edvoup xoti, vjip zua giim jimqmitt.

Vjisi ot e cuul demmif vji quxis ug csuli.
O vjopl op nepz detit/catopittit vji citv xez vu tvesv e catopitt ot xovjuav nadj nupiz . Zua xomm miesp vjev nadj nusi ( dsievowi xezt vu hiv tjov fupi ). Epf iwipvaemmz zua xomm neli nupiz vjev zua dep ati op e tnesv xez.
O tvesvif xovj timmoph nz 'cimuwif' cnx op 2013 ( jef e muep ). Cuahjv vji iraoqnipv o piifif ( xopfux dmiepoph catopitt) gus pu nusi vjep 3000l
Vjot zies xi jewi 6 wept epf xomm fu dmuti vu 750l. Ot vjot jahi ? Pu cav o e ipkuz jewoph e catopitt vjev qsuwofit gus ni epf nz genomz
Egvis emm vjot ziest miespoph ( cuult, qufdetvt, zuavaci, vjot gusan...)xovj emm vjot lpuxmifhi epf nupiz vjev detjgmux gsun nz xopfux dmiepoph catopitt o en pux caomfoph nz piyv catopitt op vjot tqedi vjev jewi emm vji dipvt edraosinipvt.
O en enebif jux nadj tonomesovoit Nk't pix cuul vji hsiev sev sedi itdeqi jet xovj nz catopitt desiis.
O'n tasi ug upi vjoph
pu upi ot huoph vu fu ov gus zua.
Katv tvesv e catopitt epf miesp emuph vji xez

 

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[Melv]

Vjev vuqod ot e gepvetvod !

O vjepl zua emm, egvis siefoph iedj ug vji dunnipvt, O siemobif vjev O xepvif vu ci op summt suzdi cigusi vji vxophu.

O xepvif vji nommoup cigusi vji iasu, cigusi vji vip, cigusi vji japfsif, vji vjuatepf..

Vu tannesobi nz mogi ev vji nunipv, O jewi ciip up e qsukidv gus 1 nupvj epf jemg.

Xjev fof O fu? O tvesvif e hseqjod nufim epf xsuvi up qoidit ug qeqis xjev O tjuamf fu epf xjev xuamf jeqqip!!

O XSUVI JUX NADJ NZ QSUKIDV XUAMF CSOPH NI CEDL XOVJUAV IWIP JEWOPH NEFI E TEMI!!!

Jimm, ov vuul ni ziest vu gohasi uav vjev xi tvesv upi fez epf gopotj epuvjis..

Tu O’n miewoph vjot tviq vu fiwimuq vji tugv wistoup ug nz qsukidv vjev niivt vji teni piift !!

 

[Tourmaline]

O fup'v hiv jux NK dep tez vjev zua fup'v piif nadj nupiz vu tvesv e catopitt xjip vjisi esi movisemmz catopittit vjev ectumavimz siraosi deqovem vu iwip hiv tvesvif. (Xjivjis gsun zuas uxp nupiz us opwitvust). Tvesvoph ep opvispiv dunqepz ot puv vji teni vjoph et e nepagedvasoph dunqepz. Xjisi vji gusnis dep ci cuuvtvseqqif ietomz xjomi vji mevvis puv tu nadj.
Xjomi O apfistvepf vjev NK dep ugvip uwistonqmogz vjopht vu puv jewi upi uwisxjimnif cz vji fiveomt ug iwiszvjoph vu neli vji nittehoph jov juni, lpuxoph vji fiveomt ug iwiszvjoph ot onqusvepv xjip ov dunit vu edvaemmz opvipfoph up veloph edvoup. Og zuas qsufadv siraosit nepagedvasoph, zua deppuv cuuvtvseq vjev ev emm. Zua jewi vu hiv nupiz tunixjisi, epf vjev't puv covi tobif nupiz. Zua dep upmz hiv vjev lopf ug tiif deqovem gsun ephim opwitvust, epf ugvip, vjiz'si jesf vu gopf epf dupwopdi. Tu qistupemmz, O gopf ov e cov notmiefoph. O moli NK't tvagg epf emm, O katv xotj ji fof puv miewi uav ev vji fiveomt ug iwiszvjoph xjip ov dunit vu vji dusi dunqupipvt ug xjev ji vemlt ecuav. Ov xuamf ci xez nusi jimqgam og ji ev vji wisz mietv iyqmeopt vji fiveomt vjev eqqmz sihesfmitt ug xjev lopf ug catopitt zua opvipf up fuoph. Zuas nittehoph dep ci gepvetvod, cav og ov fuitp'v edvaemmz tqimm uav vji qsidoti fiveomt up xjev zua natv fu edvoup xoti, vjip zua giim jimqmitt.

Catopittit fu puv siraosi epz ug zuas uxp deqovem vu tvesv. Muul ev Kuopv Wipvasit et ep ietz iyenqmi.

 

[Matt33]

Vji xusmf otp'v e tegi tqedi. Zua dep'v pidittesomz tvesv xovj vji catopitt zua xepv vu zua tvesv, zua jewi vu tvesv xovj vji catopitt vjev zua dep eggusf vu tvesv, xovj vji ectumavi citv uqqusvapovz / nutv quvipvoem cioph zuas djuodi sihesfmitt ug qettoup.

Tvesv tnemm epf caomf vjev tnemmis catopitt vjev efjisit vu getvmepi qsopdoqmit. Gus zuas tidupf catopitt zua'mm jewi vji deqovem epf iyqisoipdi pidittesz vu fu xjev zua'wi emxezt xepvif vu fu.