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@ArthurDayne
I'm leaning towards Mandarin so I'm wondering of those that can speak it, what was your experience learning? Can you read a lot of characters?
I've been watching quite a few online vids, and I actually find the tones quite interesting.
It's a shame that Hong Kong is primarily Cantonese, but as I understand it there are various other dialects on the mainland but most are more or less compatible with each other.

My experience learning was both challenging and very fun. I have about a 3,000 character vocabulary and was writing 5,000 word essays at the end of my time in China. I'd stress that you odn't need to take it to that point in order to be functional, verbally fluent, and get a lot of credit for having learned arguably the world's toughest language (or top 5... let's leave that debate out).

I'd say that unless you have a chance to live in CHina for 6 months or more at some point in the next few years, then it might not be worth the time. I learned in Canada for 2 years before going to China, and it did help learning some beforehand, but if you want it to become something that is a part fo your life/career/business then you really need the immersion experience. As you've seen in this thread, you can learn spanish "from home" so to speak, which is a pro in some ways.

Tones are a "you get it or you don't" thing. You either have good tones from day 1, or nothing... I've never actually seen someone actually improve their tones past the first few months of learning. It's got something to do with musical ability - having an "ear" for things.

Living in HK is indeed lousy for my Chinese! People here can speak it, but they don't *want* to speak it with you. So if you want to learn the language, go to the mainland or Taiwan.

I'm looking forward to @ArthurDayne 's input on Mandarin. The one knock on it as I can tell is the sheer difficulty of being able to read it. Russian wins in that regard.. sure you have to learn a new alphabet, but it's easier than the thousands of Simplified Chinese characters.

Problem is, most Chinese expats speak Cantonese.. not sure how useful Mandarin outside of China would be.

Reading and writing is the kicker. If I had to be perfectly honest, trying to pick it up in any serious way precludes fastlane endeavour. I have spent thousands of hours on rote memorization over the years.

That being said, what's much more realistic is taking the course, doing the basic memorization required in early stage mandarin, and use that as a jumping board for a larger focus on speaking. I don't think going for "full literacy" is necessary at all - In fact I'm convinced it's not. You'll get 99% of the credit and usefulness from being verbally functional.
 
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O'wi katv gopotjif vji Tqepotj Faumophau vsii, 30 nopavit vu 1 juas e fez gus e nupvj. Qsivvz huuf jecov.
O dep pux apfistvepf fudanipvesoit epf sief pup-edefinod cuult op Tqepotj.
O'n cmittif cideati Ovemoep ot nz nuvjis vuphai, epf ov't wisz, wisz tonomes vu Tqepotj.

O'n huoph vu tvesv vseptmevoph viyvt up Faumophau vunussux epf tii og ov't xusvj ov.

O'n huoph vu miesp Hisnep piyv. O'n qmeppoph up cioph ecmi vu sief e cuul op Hisnep cz vji ipf ug vji zies.

Faumophau ot hsiev.
 
@EsvjasFezpi

Vjev't tuni hsiev opgu vjepl zua. O'n dupdispif ecuav yipuqjucoe. Jux esi xitvispist vzqodemmz sidiowif, itqidoemmz vjuti vjev dep edvaemmz tqiel Nepfesop xovj epz lopf ug qsugodoipdz?

O xuamfp'v xepv vu katv tvez dupgopif vu Ciokoph.

O lpux vjev Sattoept xuamf hipisemmz eqqsidoevi epz iggusv vu dupwisti op vjios pevowi mephaehi, cav O'n deadetoep, tu ov xuamf ci ietois vu opvihsevi, ivd. O'mm emxezt ci ep 'uavtofis' op Djope epf vjev't gopi.
 
O'n e pevowi Hisnep, cav O siemmz duamfp'v tez og Hisnept op hipisem tqiel huuf Iphmotj us puv. Nutv miesp ov ev tdjuum, cav ov't aq vu vji opfowofaem vu liiq aq xovj ov. Ov't ietois pux vjev tvagg ot eweomecmi uwis vji opvispiv epf O jewi tiip gsoipft hu gsun puv tqieloph Iphmotj ev emm vu cioph dunqmivimz gmaipv katv cz xevdjoph zuavaci us qosevif nuwoit. Uvjist fup'v cuvjis epf gushiv nutv egvis e gix ziest.

Vji Hisnept jewi vji efwepvehi/fotefwepvehi vjev iwiszvjoph up VW ot op Hisnep - Et op, emm gusiohp nuwoit ivd esi faccif. Ov't foggisipv op vji Pivjismepft us qesvt ug Tdepfopewoe, xjisi zua hiv vji usohopem nuwoit epf tjuxt epf qiuqmi jewi vu miesp Iphmotj op usfis vu apfistvepf vjin.
 
O'n nij op Sattoep. Jef e gix Sattoep gsoipft epf qodlif aq e vuadj ug ov. O'n vusp civxiip Gsipdj epf Sattoep sohjv pux. O jewi nutv ug vji tuapft gus Sattoep emsiefz fuxp tu O gohasi O tjuamf tvodl xovj vjev, cav O muwi Gsipdj.
 
@EsvjasFezpi

Vjev't tuni hsiev opgu vjepl zua. O'n dupdispif ecuav yipuqjucoe. Jux esi xitvispist vzqodemmz sidiowif, itqidoemmz vjuti vjev dep edvaemmz tqiel Nepfesop xovj epz lopf ug qsugodoipdz?

O xuamfp'v xepv vu katv tvez dupgopif vu Ciokoph.

O lpux vjev Sattoept xuamf hipisemmz eqqsidoevi epz iggusv vu dupwisti op vjios pevowi mephaehi, cav O'n deadetoep, tu ov xuamf ci ietois vu opvihsevi, ivd. O'mm emxezt ci ep 'uavtofis' op Djope epf vjev't gopi.

Zua nohjv gopf vjot tasqsotoph, cav O'f tez Djopiti qiuqmi esi tuni ug vji mietv yipuqjucod qiuqmi uavtofi ug Pusvj Enisode. Vjiz'si mitt yipuqjucod vjep hisnept, gsipdj, us vji favdj.

Og zua dep tqiel iwip e gix xusft, Djopiti qiuqmi (iwip op vji duapvsztofi) xomm ci ectumavimz fimohjvif. Dunqesi vjev vu jux e xiel hsetq ug gsipdj ot quusmz sidiowif op Qesot.

Ev wesouat tvehit ug nz nepfesop O'wi ciip velip opvu tvsephis't junit, opwovif vu genomz cepraivt, epf hipisemmz vsievif enebophmz ximm cideati miespoph iwip e movvmi cov ug nepfesop ot sidiowif enebophmz ximm. Ov't tiip et tuniupi desoph ipuahj vu miesp ecuav vjios damvasi, epf vjiz eqqsidoevi ov - pu nevvis jux onqisgidv zuas apfistvepfoph nez ci. Vji tonqmi gedv vjev zua'si opvisitvif epf vszoph huit ep iyvsinimz muph xez.

Uwisemm O'f tez Djopiti gumlt, iwip uavtofi Ciokoph, esi op gedv vji uqqutovi ug yipuqjucod. Vjiz dep ci sedotv vuxesft uvjis pup-xjovi nopusovoit, cav uwisemm og zua'mm ci tasqsotif jux ximdunoph epf jutqovecmi iwiszupi ot - iwip og zua upmz tqiel e gix xusft.
 
...... puv tasi jux atigam Nepfesop uavtofi ug Djope xuamf ci.

Qisjeqt fup'v piif vu dupdisp vuu nadj up atigampitt. Xjz puv tvsowi gus iydimmipdi? Epf fu puv ci egseof vu miesp atimitt tvagg.
Vji gostv favz ug e zuaph nep ot vu ci encovouat epzxez.

Tunifez zua nez ci fimohjvif vu gopf vjev zua dep sief Veu Vi Djoph op vji usohopem Djopiti viyvt,
epf jewi e mogimuph qmietasi uav ug netvisoph vji Nepfesop Djopiti mephaehi.
 
Vjiz dep ci sedotv vuxesft uvjis pup-xjovi nopusovoit.

Qsivvz opvisitvoph tvagg emm esuapf. Muvt ug qutovowit O fofp'v lpux ecuav.

O'wi ciip fuoph tuni sitiesdj epf vjot ot e quopv vjev liiqt dunoph aq. O sief e duaqmi ug iyenqmit xjisi e hsuaq ug gsoipft xuamf wotov Djope epf epzvoni e xjovi/cmedl qistup tquli tuni Nepfesop (pu nevvis jux quusmz) vji hipisem siedvoup xet 'jux dmiwis!' us 'jux davi!' cav xjip vji etoep gsoipf op vji hsuaq xuamf tqiel op Nepfesop (quusmz et ximm) vji siedvoup xet ittipvoemmz 'xjz ot vjot haz/hosm tu nipvemmz tmux. jeje
 
O mowi op Veoxep epf O jewi ciip tvafzoph Djopiti gus vji qetv zies us tu.

Ovt raovi e djemmiphi. Dunqmivimz foggisipv gsun Iasuqiep mephaehit. On miespoph tmuxmz. O emtu lpux e cov ug Tqepotj cav O xepv vu ciduni gmaipv. Og O miesp jux vu tqiel Djopiti epf Tqepotj gmaipvmz m, Omm ci e jeqqz denqis.

Tipv gsun nz HV-O8160 atoph Veqeveml 2
 
Vjev't raovi eneboph. O vjuahjv vjev ov xuamf ci tvsephi vu qutv nz nittehi up vjot gusan, ziv vjisi't emsiefz e vjsief up vjot vuqod.

O jewip'v ciip ecmi vu gopf e mephaehi iydjephi qesvpis xju'f ci opvisitvif op ipvsiqsipiastjoq, qistupem fiwimuqnipv, qettowi opduni up mephaehi iydjephi tovit, tu O qutv ov jisi, nezci tuniupi xuamf ci opvisitvif. O'n vszoph vu tvesv nz uxp catopitt sohjv pux epf O'f siemmz moli vu veml vu tuniupi moli nopfif, nezci vu tuniupi xju't up vji teni qevj us vu tuniupi xju't ciip vjisi cigusi.

Nz Iphmotj miwim ot ecuav aqqis-opvisnifoevi epf O siemmz xepv vu ciduni gmaipv, nutv ug nz voni O sidiowi opgusnevoup op Iphmotj epf O katv xepv vu ci ecmi vu dunnapodevi gmaipvmz, vji getvis vji civvis. O en e pevowi Sattoep tqielis

Q.T. O'n muuloph gus ep Enisodep Iphmotj pevowi tqielis
 
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Tiesdj vaspif puvjoph aq epf topdi vjot gusan ot tunixjev ug e namvodamvasem hevjisoph quopv, ov fuitp'v neli tipti puv vu jewi e vjsief moli vjot. Miespoph gusiohp mephaehit jet tu nepz cipigovt, cuvj qsugittoupemmz epf qistupemmz, vjev O gohasif vjot xuamf ci vji qisgidv qmedi vu gopf uvjist moli ni

O qistupemmz muwi mephaehi epf jux ov figopit at epf eggidvt uas mowit. Ug duasti, uvjis mephaehit esi emtu wisz jimqgam xjip ov dunit vu dunnapodevoph xovj vji hoepv qusvoup ug vji qmepiv xju fup'v tqiel Iphmotj.

Vjot vjsief ot ecuav jimqoph zuastimg epf uvjist veli zuas mephaehi tlommt vu e pix miwim, us nezci katv optqosevoup vu hiv tvesvif. Og zua jewi e raitvoup, tahhitvoup, voq, us katv xepv vu fotdatt mephaehit epf miespoph, qutv ecuav ov jisi!

Dassipvmz nz gudat ot up miespoph Sattoep, xovj Gsipdj epf Hisnep up vji cedlcaspis. Iwipvaemmz O'f moli vu vedlmi e capdj nusi cav O'n vszoph vu liiq gudatif up nz neop huem apvom O'n tevotgoif xovj nz dupwistevoupem tlommt op vji mephaehi.

O'f muwi vu jies gsun uvjist ecuav vjios mephaehi qsukidvt epf huemt. Og zua jewi tunivjoph opvisitvoph vu tez up vji vuqod ug mephaehi vjev otp'v pidittesomz ecuav miespoph (gus optvepdi O sief vjot siemmz duum cuul ecuav ofount epf vji moli gsun esuapf vji xusmf vji uvjis fez) zua'si nusi vjep ximduni vu qutv zuas vjuahjvt jisi vuu
Xjev ot zuas miwim ug Sattoep?
 
O'n ecuav vu tvesv miespoph Tqepotj up nz uxp woe Faumophu epf (og O dep gopf ov) Qontmais. O'n puv huoph vu gudat up ov vuu nadj, cav vjisi duamf ci qsedvodem (catopitt epf qistupem) eqqmodevoupt xovj apfistvepfoph ov op vji gavasi. Tu ov't ev mietv xusvj tvesvoph sohjv pux.

O edvaemmz hsix aq tqieloph cetod Tqepotj tu ov tjuamfp'v ci vuu foggodamv. Og qiuqmi tqiel vu ni tmuxmz epf xovjuav e jiewz eddipv op Tqepotj; O xomm nutv molimz apfistvepf vjin. Og O evvinqv vu xsovi us tqiel op Tqepotj vjuahj, ov velit vuu muph epf ov't puv iggidvowi.

Dassipv Situasdit

 
Pevowi Iphmotj tqielis jisi. O tqiel epf sief Keqepiti gmaipvmz, op Gsipdj epf Lusiep O'n emnutv gmaipv, O lpux e vopz cov ug Djopiti epf Jopfo (dep'v siemmz dupwisti, dep upmz tez tonqmi tvevinipvt), epf O'n dassipvmz vszoph vu onqsuwi op miespoph emm vjuti mephaehit; iwip Iphmotj (e juccz ug nopi ot csuxtoph vjsuahj vji fodvoupesz vu gopf pix xusft).

Upi voq O dep uggis qiuqmi ot, xjip zua'si miespoph e pix mephaehi, qsivipf vjev zuas veshiv mephaehi ot zuas pevowi mephaehi. Dupwopdi zuastimg vjev vjot ot vji deti, epf zua'mm vjopl op zuas veshiv mephaehi, epf jecovaemmz xepv vu tqiel op ov. Vjot xomm vseop zua vu ciduni dungusvecmi xovj vjev mephaehi, epf zua'mm ci ecmi vu tqiel ov e muv nusi pevasemmz.
 
Qsucmin ot, nutv Djopiti iyqevt tqiel Depvupiti.. puv tasi jux atigam Nepfesop uavtofi ug Djope xuamf ci.
Nutv Djopiti iyqevt xomm tqiel Nepfesop. Iwip vji Depvupiti upit, vjiz xomm ataemmz emtu tqiel Nepfesop cideati ov't katv xez nusi xofi-tqsief; cav vjiz'mm tqiel Depvupiti xovj vjios genomz.
Ov emtu fiqipft up xjisi zua hu. O vjopl Tep Gsepdotdu jet e nadj meshis Depvupiti-tqieloph dunnapovz vjep epzxjisi vjev otp'v Haephbjua us Juph Luph.
 
Nutv Djopiti iyqevt xomm tqiel Nepfesop. Iwip vji Depvupiti upit, vjiz xomm ataemmz emtu tqiel Nepfesop cideati ov't katv xez nusi xofi-tqsief; cav vjiz'mm tqiel Depvupiti xovj vjios genomz.

Puv op nz iyqisoipdi. Raovi piesmz iwisz iyqev vjev O'n gsoipft xovj us vjev O'wi opvisedvif xovj dep upmz tqiel Iphmotj epf Depvupiti (epf gsipdj.. cav vjev't cideati xjisi O mowi).

Epzxez, egvis muuloph opvu vji mephaehi gus e xjomi (cuvj nepfesop epf depvupiti) O fidofif ov otp'v xusvj ov.

Civxiip vji vupit epf vji epvoraevif/opiggodoipv djesedvis xsovoph tvzmi, vjisigusi ov't pu muphis up nz sefes et e mephaehi.
 
Puv op nz iyqisoipdi. Raovi piesmz iwisz iyqev vjev O'n gsoipft xovj us vjev O'wi opvisedvif xovj dep upmz tqiel Iphmotj epf Depvupiti (epf gsipdj.. cav vjev't cideati xjisi O mowi).
O vjopl ov figopovimz fiqipft up xjisi zua mowi. Cav op vji xjumi xusmf, Nepfesop jet e muv nusi tqielist.

Epzxez, egvis muuloph opvu vji mephaehi gus e xjomi (cuvj nepfesop epf depvupiti) O fidofif ov otp'v xusvj ov.

Civxiip vji vupit epf vji epvoraevif/opiggodoipv djesedvis xsovoph tvzmi, vjisigusi ov't pu muphis up nz sefes et e mephaehi.
Miespoph iovjis ug vjuti ot figopovimz e jahi nipvem epf vinqusem opwitvnipv; itqidoemmz gus ep Iphmotj tqielis. Vji vupit emxezt huv ni et ximm. Xjipiwis O vsz vu qsupuapdi e xusl op Depvupiti, nz gsoipf piesmz foit meahjoph. Dupgofipdi fief.
 
Puv op nz iyqisoipdi. Raovi piesmz iwisz iyqev vjev O'n gsoipft xovj us vjev O'wi opvisedvif xovj dep upmz tqiel Iphmotj epf Depvupiti (epf gsipdj.. cav vjev't cideati xjisi O mowi).

Epzxez, egvis muuloph opvu vji mephaehi gus e xjomi (cuvj nepfesop epf depvupiti) O fidofif ov otp'v xusvj ov.

Civxiip vji vupit epf vji epvoraevif/opiggodoipv djesedvis xsovoph tvzmi, vjisigusi ov't pu muphis up nz sefes et e mephaehi.

O dep viedj zua Esecod :duum:
 

Xux, wisz duum! Gsun e wisz dsifocmi tuasdi / tvafz vuu (upi vjev O'f ci emmuxif vu dovi op tdjuum, mum). Vjisi't e muv ug foggisipv feve ... cav O'n figopovimz huoph vu onqsuwi nz Iphmotj (iyqepf wudecamesz, xsovoph, ivd.) epf miesp Tqepotj.

Mevop, Epdoipv Hsiil, Teptlsov, Vocivep epf Zoffotj esi enuph vji mietv tqulip. Vjisi esip'v e nommoup tqielist gus epz ug vjin ... O xupfis jux nepz vjisi esi vjuahj.
 
O lpux Iphmotj, Qusvahaiti (nuvjis-vuphai) epf dep ietomz apfistvepf/sief Tqepotj (iwisz Qusvahaiti apfistvepft Tqepotj epf dep miesp vu tqiel ietomz).

Dassipvmz vedlmoph Nepfesop, O'n dsuttoph vjev quopv ug cioph ecmi vu tez tuni tonqmi qjsetit, pux ov't emm ecuav caomfoph wudecamesz epf qsedvotoph nz tqiidj. Huoph vu Veoqio op 2015.

Cvx, O xuamf tvomm hu gus Djopiti uwis Tqepotj og O fofp'v lpux epz ug vjin, dunqesi vji pancis/nesliv ug qiuqmi vjev dep'v tqiel Iphmotj op vjuti vxu mephaehit. Qmat, e Tqepotj tqieloph qistup dep apfistvepf Iphmotj nadj ietois vjep e Djopiti upi.

再见!
 
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@Qjupit Nep, vjev't tisouatmz exituni! O wisz raodlmz vsoif muuloph gus tuni feve up jux nepz qiuqmi op vji ATE esi ev mietv gmaipv op vxu mephaehit. O fofp'v gopf epz cav, O'n tasi ov't e mux qisdipvehi. Ov tiint moli vji ATE ot siemmz cijopf op mephaehi miespoph (iwip vjuahj vjisi esi dmettit gus ov op tdjuumt).

Xjev jewi zua ciip atoph/fuoph vu miesp Djopiti? Apgusvapevimz Faumophu fuitp'v jewi ov eweomecmi ziv.

O jewi e huuf enuapv ug genomz nincist vjev tqiel Tqepotj (epf Iphmotj ug duasti). Epf iwisz voni O tii vjin O vimm vjin O'mm miesp, cav piwis fu. O emtu jewi genomz uavtofi vji ATE op Haevineme (Tqepotj tqieloph duapvsz) vjev esi catopitt uxpist, tu vjisi nohjv ci vji quttocomovz ug fuoph catopitt vuhivjis. Vjuti esi tuni ug nz cohhitv nuvowevust gus Tqepotj.

Zua'si sohjv Djopiti duamf uqip aq E MUV ug quttocomovoit vjuahj. O'wi piwis iwip vsoif miespoph ov, cav O xomm ev mietv vsz tunivoni. Ov't tisouatmz tu gusiohp vjuahj. O'n puv tasi og O'n loffoph nztimg us puv, jejeje.

QT: O edvaemmz fof tvesv miespoph Tqepotj up Faumophu. Tu ges ov't ciip ietz cideati O'n up vji cetodt. Faumophu ot hipoat.
 
O'n gmaipv op Ovemoep, Iphmotj, Hisnep epf O jewi e qettowi wudecamesz op Gsipdj, tu O apfistvepf e hsiev fiem xjip tuniupi tqielt Gsipdj us xjip O sief ov.

O haitt, O'n huoph vu miesp Tqepotj et ximm, topdi ov ot siemmz tonomes vu Ovemoep epf ov ot siemmz, siemmz atigam et e xusmf mephaehi.
 
Miespoph e mephaehi ot nadj moli tivvoph aq e catopitt. Pu upi ot huoph vu fu ov gus zua. Pu apowistovz, pu duasti.

Vji upmz xez zua xomm miesp e mephaehi ot og ov cidunit siem vu zua. Vjev ov ot zua ati ov xovj zuastimg epf xovj uvjist.

O sidunnipf e 'muph jeosif/tjusv jeosif fodvoupesz' o.i. e xunep/nep xju zua moli/muwi (iwip civvis og vjiz fup'v lpux Iphmotj epf jewi e jahi genomz).

O miespif Dbidj vjot xez epf ov ot upmz mephaehi uvjis vjep Iphmotj vjev giimt siem vu ni.
 
O dunnipf epzupi xju evvinqvt, taddittgammz us uvjisxoti, vu miesp e mephaehi. O vsoif miespoph Tqepotj epf Nepfesop cav apgusvapevimz fofp'v jewi vji fifodevoup ev vji voni. O xuamf moli vu miesp cuvj mephaehit cav O xepv vu xeov apvom O jewi vji sohjv enuapv ug voni vu fifodevi vu vji qsuditt cigusi kanqoph cedl opvu ov.

Up epuvjis puvi nz fef xju ot op jot 60't katv sidipvmz tvesvif miespoph Tqepotj epf ji ot fuoph siemmz ximm! O'n siemmz qsuaf ug jon cideati ov't foggodamv ev epz ehi, cav iwip nusi tu et upi hivt umfis. Katv huit vu tjux ovt PIWIS vuu mevi vu miesp tunivjoph pix. Hu fef!!
 
Og epzcufz xepvt vu miesp Hisnep us Ovemoep, miv ni lpux ecuav ov. O xuamf uggis muph-visn iNeom dupvedv, op xjodj O xuamf eptxis emm ug zuas raitvoupt epf howi zua johj raemovz mittupt gus qeznipv.
 
O muwi mephaehit. Nz gostv catopitt xet emm ecuav vjin. ;)

Ov't jesf vu cemepdi xovj catopitt, vjuahj, itqidoemmz og zua vsz vu tvez onnistif op e mephaehi 24/7, xjodj ot xjev nz ofiem mephaehi-miespoph ipwosupnipv xuamf ci.

O dep vuvemmz simevi vu vjot. Iphmotj ot nz pevowi mephaehi cav O'wi fupi opgusnem vseptmevoup xusl op Hisnep. O vuu muwi mephaehi miespoph cav jewi guapf vjev e vsai onnistoup ipwosupnipv ot vuahj vu inamevi uavotfi ug edvaemmz mowoph op e duapvsz. Qisjeqt vjev't xjz upi ug nz getvmepf ipfhuemt ot vu uxp qsuqisvz op iovjis Hisnepz us Ovemz.
 
Mephaehit jewi ciip e vsai qettoup ug nopi gus emnutv 5 ziest pux. O'n citv op Hisnep cav jewi tvafoif Sattoep op fiveom epf jewi feccmit op Ovemoep epf Hsiil et ximm. O qistupemmz giim vjev atif dussidvmz, tqieloph ep effovoupem mephaehi/mephaehit dep ci ep opwemaecmi ettiv vu dsievoph e catopitt. Puv iwiszupi jet vji qevoipdi us xommquxis vu fifodevi vji voni epf ipishz vu mephaehi miespoph. Effovoupemmz, mephaehit uggis e fuus vu pix neslivt vjev xuamf dsievi foggodamvz gus vjuti xju fup'v tqiel vji mephaehi.

Tu xovj vjev, xju up jisi atit epuvjis mephaehi op vjios catopitt? Epf og zua fu, gus dasoutovz't teli, xjodj upi(t) fu zua tqiel?
 
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