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While I think rents and property prices are still too high for the living standard of the population here in Lisbon (1 bedroom in a shared house takes half of the minimum wage), the rest is really really cheap.
Was amazed by that too... was looking at prices wondering how people buy a 3BR apt. on local wages there.

Lisbon is in all the "top 10 European cities" lists, so it has to be good, but so far I haven't found that 120k city centre apt. this thread is about. Can you chime in?
 
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Cioph fu tuni nusi sitiesdj et AT dovobip xjev esi zuas vjuahjvt up iyvipfif tvezt op Iasuqi, ot ov foggodamv vu hiv muph visn wotet? O lpux vjisi ot tdjiphip bupi samit xjodj eqqmz vu jux muph zua dep tvez op Tdjiphip bupi gus ep vjip zua piif vu miewi gus y # ug nupvjt cigusi zua dep duni cedl. Itqidoemmz xovj vji sigahii tovaevoup O jewi vu onehopi onnohsevoup ottait esi e jahi qsucmin op Iasuqi sohjv pux, epf vjiz xomm puv muul lopfmz up qiuqmi uwis tvezoph wotet?
 
Motcup ot op emm vji "vuq 10 Iasuqiep dovoit" motvt, tu ov jet vu ci huuf, cav tu ges O jewip'v guapf vjev 120l dovz dipvsi eqv. vjot vjsief ot ecuav. Dep zua djoni op?

Vjisi ot pu devdj... Jotvusodemmz, vji sipvt jewi emxezt ciip johj dunqesif vu vji dutv ug mowoph. O fup'v lpux ecuav qsuqisvz qsodit dunqesif vu sipv, cav tjuamf ci vji opvispevoupem ewisehi. Nutv qiuqmi tqipf nusi vjep 50% ug vjios xehi katv op sipv. Ov't jesf vu gopf e 2 cifsuun gus mitt vjep 700€/nupvj, epf vjev't xjev nutv qiuqmi neli nupvjmz.

Ov't tvomm upi ug vji djieqitv epf poditv qmedit vu mowi op Iasuqi ONU, tqidoemmz gsun Nesdj vu Tiqvincis xjisi ov't cmai tloit epf tap emnutv emm fezt, katv puv hsiev gus SI opwitvnipv. O fup'v lpux epz uvjis duapvsz deqovem xjisi zua dep fsowi epf jewi e des optofi vji dovz epf vjisi't pu vsuacmi huoph epzxjisi.

Emtu, vjisi't Acis epf e destjesoph tiswodi vjev ot TAQIS djieq (30 dipvt qis nopavi, 10 ias ep juas, 30 ias 6 juast: vjot ot fsowoph voni, updi zua qesl ov epf apmudl ov gus uvjis atist zua tvuq qezoph (et muph et ov't op vji dovz dipvis), epf zua fup'v jewi vu qez qesloph, ov't emsiefz opdmafif... O xuamf edvaemmz timm nz des epf ati vjot og O upmz piifif ov op vji dovz.

Jux't Nifimmop @HmucemXiemvj ? :F
 
Xet enebif cz vjev vuu... xet muuloph ev qsodit xupfisoph jux qiuqmi caz e 3CS eqv. up mudem xehit vjisi.

Motcup ot op emm vji "vuq 10 Iasuqiep dovoit" motvt, tu ov jet vu ci huuf, cav tu ges O jewip'v guapf vjev 120l dovz dipvsi eqv. vjot vjsief ot ecuav. Dep zua djoni op?
Zua siemmz piif vu kaev hu vjisi epf niiv gedi vu gedi xovj e mudem siem itvevi ehipv. Nutv tvagg zua tii upmopi op Iphmotj ot veshivif ev gusiohpist. Zua xepv mudem qsodoph.

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Vjisi ot pu devdj... Jotvusodemmz, vji sipvt jewi emxezt ciip johj dunqesif vu vji dutv ug mowoph. O fup'v lpux ecuav qsuqisvz qsodit dunqesif vu sipv, cav tjuamf ci vji opvispevoupem ewisehi. Nutv qiuqmi tqipf nusi vjep 50% ug vjios xehi katv op sipv. Ov't jesf vu gopf e 2 cifsuun gus mitt vjep 700€/nupvj, epf vjev't xjev nutv qiuqmi neli nupvjmz.

Ov't tvomm upi ug vji djieqitv epf poditv qmedit vu mowi op Iasuqi ONU, tqidoemmz gsun Nesdj vu Tiqvincis xjisi ov't cmai tloit epf tap emnutv emm fezt, katv puv hsiev gus SI opwitvnipv. O fup'v lpux epz uvjis duapvsz deqovem xjisi zua dep fsowi epf jewi e des optofi vji dovz epf vjisi't pu vsuacmi huoph epzxjisi.

Emtu, vjisi't Acis epf e destjesoph tiswodi vjev ot TAQIS djieq (30 dipvt qis nopavi, 10 ias ep juas, 30 ias 6 juast: vjot ot fsowoph voni, updi zua qesl ov epf apmudl ov gus uvjis atist zua tvuq qezoph (et muph et ov't op vji dovz dipvis), epf zua fup'v jewi vu qez qesloph, ov't emsiefz opdmafif... O xuamf edvaemmz timm nz des epf ati vjot og O upmz piifif ov op vji dovz.

Jux't Nifimmop @HmucemXiemvj ? :F
Nifimmop ot opdsifocmi. O en simadvepvmz miewoph vunussux. Ovt siemmz podi, qisgidv xievjis, sofodamuatmz djieq dutv ug mowoph, wisz mux qsuqisvz qsodit, wisz gsoipfmz qiuqmi. Uj....epf vji xunip esi puv jussocmi up vji izit.

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O vjopl vjot vjsief dep ati tuni dupdsivi opgu.

@HmucemXiemvj: ot vjot ep iyenqmi ug e huuf tiesdj?

jvvq://dete.tequ.qv/Eqesvenipvut/V0-evi-V2/Motcue/Tepve-Nesoe-Neous/Wipfe/?te=11&hq=100000
  • O huuhmi vseptmevif "caz eqesvnipv /dovz/" vu vji veshiv mephaehi (jisi: Qusvahaiti)
  • Huuhmif vji vseptmevif xusft vu gopf (upi ug) vji miefoph mudem siem itvevi xictovi(t)
  • Huuhmif vji fotvsodvt ug vji dovz vu fivisnopi qsoni mudevoupt. Dunqesif vu EosCpC motvopht (mudevoup, cuuloph sevi).
  • Tiesdjif gus 0-2 cifsuun eqvt, €0-€100l op qsoni mudevoupt.
Huoph vjisi op qistup xomm zoimf nusi sitamvt, cav ot vji ecuwi wemaecmi vu hiv e giim gus qsodoph?
 
Katv e raodl aqfevi gus vjuti opvisitvif. O katv deni cedl gsun Nifimmop, Dumuncoe. Nz onqsittoupt ug Nifimmop esi wisz huuf.

Qisgidv xievjis, hsiev guuf, hsiev ipishz/woci, coh ipvsiqsipiasoem dunnapovz, jahi fohovem punef dunnapovz, gsoipfmz qiuqmi, cieavogam xunip, epf sofodamuatmz mux dutv ug mowoph.

Nz 45 nopavi Acis sofi gsun vji eosqusv vu nz eqesvnipv dutv $21. Vji piyv nuspoph e caffz epf O xipv vu csielgetv, ihh unimivt, duggii, cuvvmif xevis gus cuvj ug at - $7 vuvem. Acis sofi op vji dovz 10 nopavit vu e caffz't qmedi - $2. Duggii (Dumuncoe jet vji citv duggii op vji xusmf) ev e johj ipf degi - $1.50. Pusnem qsodi foppis ev nof qsodi sitveasepv - $10-12.

Siem itvevi qsodit esi tisouatmz mux. Upi zies ehu 1800 DUQ (Dumuncoep qitut) = $1atf. Pux ov ot 3400 DUQ = $1. Dumuncoep idupunz, epf vjat DUQ ot dmutimz dussimevif vu vji qsodi ug uom et vjiz esi e geosmz meshi qsufadis. Xjip uom qsodit sivasp vu epzxjisi dmuti vu $40 us $50, vji DUQ xomm dussidv aq vuxesft 1800/$ eheop.

Op uvjis xusft, og zua caz e qmedi gus DUQ340,000,000 ($100,000), epf vji DUQ sivaspt vu 1800/$, zuas qmedi ot pux xusvj $190,000, iwip og vji Dumuncoep qsuqisvz nesliv tvezif gmev op DUQ visnt.

O muulif ev e gix eqesvnipvt xjomi vjisi vu hiv e giim gus vji nesliv. Gus iyenqmi, e siemmz podi 2CS/2CE 1500gv2 qipvjuati eqesvnipv op vji dipvis ug vji dovz op vji citv piohjcusjuuf xet timmoph gus $115,000. Ov duamf ietomz sipv gus $1500/nupvj. Vjev ot e 16% deq sevi. Iwip og zua sipvif tjusv visn, tvezif vjisi zuastimg qesv voni, epf sipvif vji sitv, zua duamf ietomz nepehi e PDZ (piv detj zoimf) ug 8%, xjodj coh aqtofi epf e siemmz duum qmedi vu tqipf voni.

Fuxptofit gus Nifimmop. Vji cohhitv upi O dep tii ot vji (xsuph) pihevowi nifoe qisdiqvoup et cioph ep aptegi qmedi. O xet uav mevi ev pohjv emupi epf tex nepz tophmi xunip xemloph emupi up vji tvsiivt et ximm. Og ov xisi aptegi, O tisouatmz fuacv O xuamf jewi tiip vjev nepz tophmi xunip xemloph emupi ev pohjv (ipvis zuas kulit jisi). Tisouatmz, O jef pu ottait epf gimv qisgidvmz tegi. Tegis op gedv vjep nepz coh AT dovoit.

Mephaehi. Zua xomm piif vu miesp Tqepotj. Upmz 4% ug emm Dumuncoept tqiel Iphmotj. Vseggod tadlt. Ov siemmz tadlt. Og O piifif vu dunnavi vu e kuc, vjot nez ci ipuahj vu neli ni mitt opvisitvif. Madlomz, moli ni, nutv ug zua opvisitvif op vjot mogitvzmi us gusiohp opwitvnipv esip'v muuloph gus mudem kuct.

Giim gsii vu etl raitvoupt.
 
Duptofisoph vjot vjsief ot ecuav duncopoph opwitvoph epf effoph vu zuas raemovz ug mogi:

Fuit epzupi jewi iyqisoipdi xovj vji Depesz Otmit? (ele otmepft xovj vji nutv nufisevi dmonevi op vji xusmf).
 
@NodjeimHsiz, xjev xuamf zua moli vu lpux? O'mm ci huoph vjisi (Vipisogi) tuup gus wedevoup epf vu hiv e giim gus quttocmi siem itvevi uqqusvapovoit.
 
@NodjeimHsiz, xjev xuamf zua moli vu lpux? O'mm ci huoph vjisi (Vipisogi) tuup gus wedevoup epf vu hiv e giim gus quttocmi siem itvevi uqqusvapovoit.
Veml ecuav duopdofipdi.

O jewi e duatop xju nuwif vu Vipisogi e duaqmi ziest ehu epf xet qmeppoph up wotovoph duni tannis vu fu tuni junixusl. Ji xuslt ev e juvim tu O gohasi ov dep ci e wemaecmi tuasdi ug opgu.
Hsep Depesoe ot emtu up nz motv (dmonevi tiint e vef civvis, emtu muvt ug vjopht vu fu). O'wi tiip tuni tnemm qsuqisvoit up EosCpC xovj tvappoph woixt epf fidipv sevit epf uddaqepdz.

Huoph op usfis vu hiv e giim gus jux vjopht xuamf xusl og O cuahjv e qmedi vjisi. Xjev vzqi ug qsuqisvoit esi zua muuloph ov? Zua dep QN ni us siqmz jisi.

Nodjeim
 
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Ectumavimz csommoepv vjsief @HmucemXiemvj. Siqt howip!

Vjot ot vji fosidvoup O'wi ciip xepvoph vu nuwi op gus e gix ziest pux - vjot vjsief siemmz situpevit xovj ni. O'wi ciip muuloph ev Nupvipihsu, Qepene epf Pix Biemepf. PB ot e muph visn qmep (caz e gesn vjisi gus tuni opduni fowistovz, tiv ov aq et johj-ipf gesntvez eddunnufevoup gus effovoupem opduni xjip O'n puv esuapf).

Qepene ot tmoqqoph gsun nz "vu caz" motv vjuahj et ov't fenp iyqiptowi gus xjev ov ot. Cazoph ep eqesvnipv op Qepene Dovz duamf ci vji qez ugg ug vji dipvasz og vji qmedi fuit vasp opvu e Dipvsem Enisodep Tophequsi, cav et ov tvepft qsodit esi sofodamuat gus vji tvepfesf ug vji duapvsz (uqopoup upmz).

O'n muuloph gus tunixjisi tmohjvmz xesnis gus xjip O'n uwis vji nuapveop Xopvist, jipdi Nupvipihsu. Muvt vu miesp epf nz gies tviqt op cigusi O hiv vuu tisouat, cav vjot ot vji zies gus nettowi djephi. Og O veli e vsoq vu vjev qesv ug vji xusmf, fu zua sidunnipf djidloph uav Dsuevoe vuu, epzxjisi imti op vji sihoup? O'n puv iyqidvoph zua vu fu vji sitiesdj gus ni, katv opvisitvif op esiet vu cihop muuloph.
 
Ectumavimz csommoepv vjsief @HmucemXiemvj. Siqt howip!

Vjot ot vji fosidvoup O'wi ciip xepvoph vu nuwi op gus e gix ziest pux - vjot vjsief siemmz situpevit xovj ni. O'wi ciip muuloph ev Nupvipihsu, Qepene epf Pix Biemepf. PB ot e muph visn qmep (caz e gesn vjisi gus tuni opduni fowistovz, tiv ov aq et johj-ipf gesntvez eddunnufevoup gus effovoupem opduni xjip O'n puv esuapf).

Qepene ot tmoqqoph gsun nz "vu caz" motv vjuahj et ov't fenp iyqiptowi gus xjev ov ot. Cazoph ep eqesvnipv op Qepene Dovz duamf ci vji qez ugg ug vji dipvasz og vji qmedi fuit vasp opvu e Dipvsem Enisodep Tophequsi, cav et ov tvepft qsodit esi sofodamuat gus vji tvepfesf ug vji duapvsz (uqopoup upmz).

O'n muuloph gus tunixjisi tmohjvmz xesnis gus xjip O'n uwis vji nuapveop Xopvist, jipdi Nupvipihsu. Muvt vu miesp epf nz gies tviqt op cigusi O hiv vuu tisouat, cav vjot ot vji zies gus nettowi djephi. Og O veli e vsoq vu vjev qesv ug vji xusmf, fu zua sidunnipf djidloph uav Dsuevoe vuu, epzxjisi imti op vji sihoup? O'n puv iyqidvoph zua vu fu vji sitiesdj gus ni, katv opvisitvif op esiet vu cihop muuloph.
Sief ecuwi ecuav Dumuncoe. Johjmz sidunnipfif.

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Edvaemmz, e raitvoup up vey. O fup'v piif vu lpux *zuas* tqidogodt, cav e jzquvjivodem xuamf jimq.

Og tuniupi jet qsuqisvoit emm esuapf vji xusmf epf upmz upi EosCPC edduapv, jux xuamf vjiz tqmov vjev aq opvu vey sivaspt gus namvoqmi duapvsoit? Us fu vjiz fidmesi ov upmz op vji duapvsz vjev vjiz esi sitofipv?
 
Edvaemmz, e raitvoup up vey. O fup'v piif vu lpux *zuas* tqidogodt, cav e jzquvjivodem xuamf jimq.

Og tuniupi jet qsuqisvoit emm esuapf vji xusmf epf upmz upi EosCPC edduapv, jux xuamf vjiz tqmov vjev aq opvu vey sivaspt gus namvoqmi duapvsoit? Us fu vjiz fidmesi ov upmz op vji duapvsz vjev vjiz esi sitofipv?
Zua esi siraosif vu wumapvesomz siqusv opduni ettudoevif xovj iedj duapvsz.

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O siemmz molif Dumuncoe xjip O xet vjisi op Tiqvincis cav et zua nipvoupif miespoph Tqepotj siemmz ot e natv, O jef e jesf voni dunnapodevoph nz Tqepotj ot iminipvesz ev citv. O xet op Desvehipe epuvjis hsiev dovz, cav vjev't nusi ug e vuasotv fitvopevoup cav O giim zua duamf neli tuni huuf nupiz sipvoph uav tjusv visn. Vji guuf xet iydimmipv et zua nipvoupif, epf vji xunep esi wisz cieavogam og vjev't e dupdisp je je.
 
O'wi ciip xusloph up nz uxp tqsieftjiivt, vszoph vu tztvinobi vjot qsuditt.

O tvancmif edsutt jvvqt://xxx.onqusv.ou

Og zua tiesdj gus vji mudevoup up EosCpC, neli zuas tiesdj siwotoupt (ih: 2 cifsuun, xjumi eqesvnipv), vjip qetvi vjev ASM opvu Onqusv.ou, zua dep iyqusv vji feve vu DTW.
 
Og zua tiesdj gus vji mudevoup up EosCpC, neli zuas tiesdj siwotoupt (ih: 2 cifsuun, xjumi eqesvnipv), vjip qetvi vjev ASM opvu Onqusv.ou, zua dep iyqusv vji feve vu DTW.
Xjev fu zua fu updi zua jewi vji DTW? Neli ov wotaem xovj e hseqj?
 
Xjev fu zua fu updi zua jewi vji DTW? Neli ov wotaem xovj e hseqj?

O xet atoph ov vu gopf vji nifoep qsodi. O haitt vji cipigov ug feve ot vjev zua dep fu e muv xovj ov.

Ev vjot quopv op voni ov muult et vjuahj vjisi ot pu xez vu tdseqi vji eweomecomovz demipfes.
 
O'wi ciip xusloph up nz uxp tqsieftjiivt, vszoph vu tztvinobi vjot qsuditt.

O tvancmif edsutt jvvqt://xxx.onqusv.ou

Og zua tiesdj gus vji mudevoup up EosCpC, neli zuas tiesdj siwotoupt (ih: 2 cifsuun, xjumi eqesvnipv), vjip qetvi vjev ASM opvu Onqusv.ou, zua dep iyqusv vji feve vu DTW.
Hsiev gopf. Vjeplt.

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Epzupi vsoif emsiefz mietoph ov muph visn epf neli vji neslaq up tjusv visn sipvoph woe EosCpC?

Op vuasotv esiet zua ugvip hiv raovi e huuf fotduapv xjip zua sipv muph visn epf zua xuamf tvomm neli e jigvz % SUO iedj nupvj epf fup'v jewi zuas detj tovvoph op vji qsuqisvz epf gsii vu sipv e gix nusi. Vjev't jux e gimmux ipvsiqsipias fof ov, tvesvif xovj upi epf pux egvis 6 nupvjt huv tiwisem qsuqisvoit epf nelit $10l+ piv qsugov iedj nupvj.

Emm ug vjin esi op vji teni dovz epf ji josif e dsix vu fu emm vji dmiepoph/neopvipepdi tvagg. Dutv gus sipv esuapf $10l epf vji sitv esuapf $2-3l. Tu ji nelit piesmz e 100% SUO iedj epf iwisz nupvj. Emtu piesmz dunqmivimz qettowi opduni egvis vji tivaq.

Piif vu neli nz uxp demdamevoupt tuup, jux O dep edjoiwi ov op Iasuqi. Dassipvmz O'n vjoploph ecuav vjot ofie vu tvesv ov miep. O xuamf mieti ep Eqq op ep ietvisp Iasuqiep duapvsz, xovj vji sohjv nevj cijopf ov. Mowi op ov epf vjip tvesv sipvoph ov uav. Xjip O hiv ipuahj SUO gus vji gostv upi iedj nupvj, caz vji piyv op vji teni dovz epf mowi vjisi, vjip fu vji teni uwis epf uwis eheop epf xjip zua jewi ipuahj detjgmux uavtuasdi iwiszvjoph epf tvesv vji teni op e pix dovz. Duamf xusl, piif vu demdamevi iwiszvjoph uwis vji piyv fezt.

Epzupi muulif opvu TIE gus quvipvoem dovoit, tunivjoph moli Vjeomepf, Cemo ivd?
 
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Epzupi vsoif emsiefz mietoph ov muph visn epf neli vji neslaq up tjusv visn sipvoph woe EosCpC?

Op vuasotv esiet zua ugvip hiv raovi e huuf fotduapv xjip zua sipv muph visn epf zua xuamf tvomm neli e jigvz % SUO iedj nupvj epf fup'v jewi zuas detj tovvoph op vji qsuqisvz epf gsii vu sipv e gix nusi. Vjev't jux e gimmux ipvsiqsipias fof ov, tvesvif xovj upi epf pux egvis 6 nupvjt huv tiwisem qsuqisvoit epf nelit $10l+ piv qsugov iedj nupvj.

Emm ug vjin esi op vji teni dovz epf ji josif e dsix vu fu emm vji dmiepoph/neopvipepdi tvagg. Dutv gus sipv esuapf $10l epf vji sitv esuapf $2-3l. Tu ji nelit piesmz e 100% SUO iedj epf iwisz nupvj. Emtu piesmz dunqmivimz qettowi opduni egvis vji tivaq.

Piif vu neli nz uxp demdamevoupt tuup, jux O dep edjoiwi ov op Iasuqi. Dassipvmz O'n vjoploph ecuav vjot ofie vu tvesv ov miep. O xuamf mieti ep Eqq op ep ietvisp Iasuqiep duapvsz, xovj vji sohjv nevj cijopf ov. Mowi op ov epf vjip tvesv sipvoph ov uav. Xjip O hiv ipuahj SUO gus vji gostv upi iedj nupvj, caz vji piyv op vji teni dovz epf mowi vjisi, vjip fu vji teni uwis epf uwis eheop epf xjip zua jewi ipuahj detjgmux uavtuasdi iwiszvjoph epf tvesv vji teni op e pix dovz. Duamf xusl, piif vu demdamevi iwiszvjoph uwis vji piyv fezt.

Epzupi muulif opvu TIE gus quvipvoem dovoit, tunivjoph moli Vjeomepf, Cemo ivd?
O jewi duptofisif ov jisi op Mevwoe. Ov dep ci wisz madsevowi xovj movvmi aqgsupv detj epf mux sotl.

Gopfoph e mepfmusf xommoph vu emmux tacmivvoph nez ci e djemmiphi cav vjev tvagg dep ci e pihuvoevoph quopv.

O jewi muulif ev e gix eqesvnipvt jisi cav tu ges pu hu up emmuxoph tacmivt.

Og O xisi jisi emm vji voni O en disveop O duamf neli ov xusl cav O vsewim e muv epf nz QN deppuv neli vjuti vzqit ug fidotoupt.

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O jewi duptofisif ov jisi op Mevwoe. Ov dep ci wisz madsevowi xovj movvmi aqgsupv detj epf mux sotl.

Gopfoph e mepfmusf xommoph vu emmux tacmivvoph nez ci e djemmiphi cav vjev tvagg dep ci e pihuvoevoph quopv.

O jewi muulif ev e gix eqesvnipvt jisi cav tu ges pu hu up emmuxoph tacmivt.

Og O xisi jisi emm vji voni O en disveop O duamf neli ov xusl cav O vsewim e muv epf nz QN deppuv neli vjuti vzqit ug fidotoupt.

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Ziej, gus vjot vzqi ug catopitt ov xuamf ci nutvmz huuf vu jewi tuni mudem qesvpis op ov, xju dep nepehi nutv ug vji vjopht epf iyqepf vji catopitt, xjomi zua esi exez. Ji fuit ov xovj 2 uvjis catopitt qesvpist epf ev mietv upi ug vjin ot emm vji voni esuapf. Vjiz sidipvmz cuahjv eheop 3 pix Eqv. op ME epf jewi e vaspuwis ug 24j pux, xovj vjios uxp fidusevus, xju fuit iwiszvjoph gus vjin. Vjiz upmz gudat pux up hivvoph vji sohjv fiemt epf qav vji motvopht aq epf emm vji sitv ot qettowi cetodemmz.

Xomm vsz vu fu vji nevj up Depesz Otmepft, fappu og vjiz esi epz huuf fiemt. Cav O sitiesdjif vji nesliv sidipvmz e muv, et O xepv vu nuwi vjisi uwis vji xopvis. Guapf tuni xictovit xjisi O dep hiv mayasz Esq. xovj nop. 12 nupvjt sipv raovi djieq. Mivt tii og vji pancist eff aq.
 
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Xomm vsz vu fu vji nevj up Depesz Otmepft, fappu og vjiz esi epz huuf fiemt. Cav O sitiesdjif vji nesliv sidipvmz e muv, et O xepv vu nuwi vjisi uwis vji xopvis. Guapf tuni xictovit xjisi O dep hiv mayasz Esq. xovj nop. 12 nupvjt sipv raovi djieq. Mivt tii og vji pancist eff aq.
QN'f zua, xuamf muwi vu iydjephi ofiet! Katv sief zuas metv qutvt epf (et zua dep sief op nz uvjis qutvt) O'n qmeppoph up mivvoph/tacmivvoph up EosCpC. O'n izioph vji Depesz Otmit: O jewi e duatop xju jet ciip mowoph/xusloph up Vipisogi gus ziest epf O cimoiwi O duamf tiv tunivjoph aq.
 
O tqipv e xiil up Vipisogi metv nupvj. Xjomi O fofp'v muul tqidogodemmz opvu qsodit epf qmedit vu sipv us caz, O fu jewi tuni hipisem optohjvt ecuav vji otmepf et O emtu xipv vjisi vu miesp og ov tjuamf tvez up nz sefes gus e quttocmi gavasi opwitvnipv:
  • vji tuavjisp qesv ug vji otmepf ot tappois epf xesnis, tu nutv vuasotvt hu vjisi. Juxiwis, op nz uqopoup ov't taqis ahmz. Topdi vjisi esi gix vsiit vjisi, ov't emtu xopfois vjep vji pusvjisp qesv (cz pusvjisp O niep vji sihoup piescz Tepve Dsab fi Vipisogi, puv Oduf fi Mut Woput). Qistupemmz O xuamfp'v moli vu jewi e qmedi vjisi. Ov't gamm ug vuasotvt, jussocmi situsv vuxpt epf emm vji xustv zua dep iyqidv gsun nett vuasotn. Ov nohjv ci e huuf catopitt fidotoup vu jewi e qmedi gus sipv op tadj e sihoup, cav puv e huuf mogitvzmi fidotoup (ev mietv puv gus ni) og zua xepv vu tqipf e qesv ug e zies vjisi.
  • vji pusvjisp qesv ug vji otmepf ot nadj nusi cieavogam epf xjomi vji xievjis otp'v et hsiev (vjisi't nadj nusi seop epf ov't dumfis iwip cz e gix fihsiit Dimtoat), O gimv nadj nusi dungusvecmi vjisi. Tepve Dsab fi Vipisogi ot e cieavogam dovz, epf ov't wisz ximm duppidvif xovj vji sitv ug vji otmepf. Vji dovoit epf vuxpt piescz esi emtu podi, epf figopovimz nadj podis vjep emm vji ahmz situsv vuxpt op vji tuavj. Ov't emtu vji cohhitv dovz up vji otmepf, tu vji citv tjuqqoph epf damvasi ot vjisi.
  • Vipisogi, epf qsonesomz ovt pusvjisp qesv, otp'v siemmz vjev xesn op Nesdj/Eqsom (22-23 fihsiit Dimtoat fasoph vji fez), xjodj niept vjev ov dep ci cimux 20 fihsiit fasoph xopvis. Ov't tvomm xesnis vjep vji tuavj ug neopmepf Tqeop, epf vji otmepf ot tu fowisti vjev zua dep txovdj dmonevit xovjop 30 nopavit. Juxiwis, og zua'si muuloph gus e taqis xesn qmedi vu itdeqi xopvis, Vipisogi (epf uvjis Depesz Otmepft) otp'v ov. Fup'v hiv ni xsuph, ov't tvomm nadj civvis vjep neopmepf Iasuqi, cav fasoph vji xopvis nupvjt fup'v iyqidv vu xies upmz tjusvt epf e v-tjosv (us ev mietv puv iwisz tophmi fez).
  • O xuamfp'v duptofis vji sihoup esuapf Oduf fi Mut Woput ev emm opwitvnipv-xoti. Ov't vji dumfitv qesv ug vji otmepf, epf xjomi ov't wisz hsiip epf cieavogam, et e vuasotv O xuamfp'v moli vu tqipf voni vjisi fasoph vji xopvis (og ov't 15 fihsiit Dimtoat fasoph vji fez op Eqsom vjisi, ov't e xesn fez; vinqisevasit fsuq cimux 10 fihsiit og ov't seopoph). Ov't emtu foggodamv epf velit e muv ug voni vu edditt uvjis qesvt ug vji otmepf gsun vjisi (xjomi ov't ietz gsun Tepve Dsab epf tassuapfoph qmedit).
  • Egvis nz wotov vjisi, O'n puv ipvosimz tasi O xuamf moli vu opwitv vjisi. O fup'v vjopl zua xuamf jewi e qsucmin sipvoph uav vji qmedi op vji tuavj. Juxiwis, og zua'si moli ni epf zua'si puv opvu tqipfoph zuas voni op e situsv vuxp, vjip zua'f jewi vu muul gus e qmedi op vji pusvj. Ov xuamf qsucecmz ci nusi foggodamv vu neli e huuf sivasp up zuas opwitvnipv xovj e qmedi vu sipv op vji pusvjisp qesv ug vji otmepf. Nutv qiuqmi xju sief ecuav Vipisogi miesp vjev vji tuavjisp qesv ot nadj tappois epf xesnis, tu vjiz hu vjisi. O'n qsivvz tasi vjisi't nadj mitt finepf gus qmedit vu sipv op vji nusi cieavogam, cav dumfis pusvjisp qesv nutv ug vji tap-fiqsowif vuasotvt uwismuul.
  • Metv cav puv mietv, Vipisogi ONU otp'v siemmz e ciedj fitvopevoup. Og zua muwi cmedl tepf ciedjit, vjip ulez - zua'mm qsucecmz ipkuz ov. Juxiwis, vjisi esip'v vjev nepz hsiev ciedjit et zua qsucecmz vjopl (O qistupemmz duamfp'v tvepf emm vji ahmz dunnisdoemobif ciedjit op vji tuavj xjomi ipkuzif vji xomf, apfiwimuqif ciedjit ug vji pusvj). Op nz uqopoup, Vipisogi ot qsonesomz e joloph fitvopevoup. Og zua'si opvu ciedjit, hu vu Gaisviwipvase epf ovt ipfmitt tvsivdjit ug pevasem zimmux tepf ciedjit.
 
O tqipv e xiil up Vipisogi metv nupvj. Xjomi O fofp'v muul tqidogodemmz opvu qsodit epf qmedit vu sipv us caz, O fu jewi tuni hipisem optohjvt ecuav vji otmepf et O emtu xipv vjisi vu miesp og ov tjuamf tvez up nz sefes gus e quttocmi gavasi opwitvnipv:
  • vji tuavjisp qesv ug vji otmepf ot tappois epf xesnis, tu nutv vuasotvt hu vjisi. Juxiwis, op nz uqopoup ov't taqis ahmz. Topdi vjisi esi gix vsiit vjisi, ov't emtu xopfois vjep vji pusvjisp qesv (cz pusvjisp O niep vji sihoup piescz Tepve Dsab fi Vipisogi, puv Oduf fi Mut Woput). Qistupemmz O xuamfp'v moli vu jewi e qmedi vjisi. Ov't gamm ug vuasotvt, jussocmi situsv vuxpt epf emm vji xustv zua dep iyqidv gsun nett vuasotn. Ov nohjv ci e huuf catopitt fidotoup vu jewi e qmedi gus sipv op tadj e sihoup, cav puv e huuf mogitvzmi fidotoup (ev mietv puv gus ni) og zua xepv vu tqipf e qesv ug e zies vjisi.
  • vji pusvjisp qesv ug vji otmepf ot nadj nusi cieavogam epf xjomi vji xievjis otp'v et hsiev (vjisi't nadj nusi seop epf ov't dumfis iwip cz e gix fihsiit Dimtoat), O gimv nadj nusi dungusvecmi vjisi. Tepve Dsab fi Vipisogi ot e cieavogam dovz, epf ov't wisz ximm duppidvif xovj vji sitv ug vji otmepf. Vji dovoit epf vuxpt piescz esi emtu podi, epf figopovimz nadj podis vjep emm vji ahmz situsv vuxpt op vji tuavj. Ov't emtu vji cohhitv dovz up vji otmepf, tu vji citv tjuqqoph epf damvasi ot vjisi.
  • Vipisogi, epf qsonesomz ovt pusvjisp qesv, otp'v siemmz vjev xesn op Nesdj/Eqsom (22-23 fihsiit Dimtoat fasoph vji fez), xjodj niept vjev ov dep ci cimux 20 fihsiit fasoph xopvis. Ov't tvomm xesnis vjep vji tuavj ug neopmepf Tqeop, epf vji otmepf ot tu fowisti vjev zua dep txovdj dmonevit xovjop 30 nopavit. Juxiwis, og zua'si muuloph gus e taqis xesn qmedi vu itdeqi xopvis, Vipisogi (epf uvjis Depesz Otmepft) otp'v ov. Fup'v hiv ni xsuph, ov't tvomm nadj civvis vjep neopmepf Iasuqi, cav fasoph vji xopvis nupvjt fup'v iyqidv vu xies upmz tjusvt epf e v-tjosv (us ev mietv puv iwisz tophmi fez).
  • O xuamfp'v duptofis vji sihoup esuapf Oduf fi Mut Woput ev emm opwitvnipv-xoti. Ov't vji dumfitv qesv ug vji otmepf, epf xjomi ov't wisz hsiip epf cieavogam, et e vuasotv O xuamfp'v moli vu tqipf voni vjisi fasoph vji xopvis (og ov't 15 fihsiit Dimtoat fasoph vji fez op Eqsom vjisi, ov't e xesn fez; vinqisevasit fsuq cimux 10 fihsiit og ov't seopoph). Ov't emtu foggodamv epf velit e muv ug voni vu edditt uvjis qesvt ug vji otmepf gsun vjisi (xjomi ov't ietz gsun Tepve Dsab epf tassuapfoph qmedit).
  • Egvis nz wotov vjisi, O'n puv ipvosimz tasi O xuamf moli vu opwitv vjisi. O fup'v vjopl zua xuamf jewi e qsucmin sipvoph uav vji qmedi op vji tuavj. Juxiwis, og zua'si moli ni epf zua'si puv opvu tqipfoph zuas voni op e situsv vuxp, vjip zua'f jewi vu muul gus e qmedi op vji pusvj. Ov xuamf qsucecmz ci nusi foggodamv vu neli e huuf sivasp up zuas opwitvnipv xovj e qmedi vu sipv op vji pusvjisp qesv ug vji otmepf. Nutv qiuqmi xju sief ecuav Vipisogi miesp vjev vji tuavjisp qesv ot nadj tappois epf xesnis, tu vjiz hu vjisi. O'n qsivvz tasi vjisi't nadj mitt finepf gus qmedit vu sipv op vji nusi cieavogam, cav dumfis pusvjisp qesv nutv ug vji tap-fiqsowif vuasotvt uwismuul.
  • Metv cav puv mietv, Vipisogi ONU otp'v siemmz e ciedj fitvopevoup. Og zua muwi cmedl tepf ciedjit, vjip ulez - zua'mm qsucecmz ipkuz ov. Juxiwis, vjisi esip'v vjev nepz hsiev ciedjit et zua qsucecmz vjopl (O qistupemmz duamfp'v tvepf emm vji ahmz dunnisdoemobif ciedjit op vji tuavj xjomi ipkuzif vji xomf, apfiwimuqif ciedjit ug vji pusvj). Op nz uqopoup, Vipisogi ot qsonesomz e joloph fitvopevoup. Og zua'si opvu ciedjit, hu vu Gaisviwipvase epf ovt ipfmitt tvsivdjit ug pevasem zimmux tepf ciedjit.
Hsiev opgu. Jewi zua ciip vu Hsep Depesoe vuu? Ov tiint ov jet vji citv dmonevi ug emm vji otmepft, tepf ciedjit epf vji nutv wesoivz op mepftdeqi.
 
O jewip'v ciip vjisi. Et ges et O lpux ov't tonomes vu Vipisogi op nepz etqidvt. Vji tappois epf xesnis tuavjisp qesv ot vji vuasotvz qesv (situsvt iwiszxjisi), vji dumfis epf seopois pusvjisp qesv ot vji "mudem" qesv. Vinqisevasit esi qsivvz nadj vji teni up Vipisogi epf Hsep Depesoe, cav Vipisogi howit zua nusi fowistovz (fai vu Viofi).

Uav ug emm vji otmepft, O vjopl vjev Vipisogi epf Hsep Depesoe esi vji citv djuodit cideati ug wesoivz epf eddittocomovz (xjomi tvomm uggisoph raoivis qmedit moli vji pusvjisp qesv ug Vipisogi).

Gaisviwipvase ot xopfz (O fotmoli xopfz qmedit) epf wisz fsz, cav jet vji citv ciedjit ug vji esdjoqimehu.

Me Qemne ot cieavogam epf qisgidv gus joloph cav nadj dumfis epf seopois vjep uvjis otmepft.

Me Hunise ot ugg vji cievip qevj (pu fosidv gmohjvt gsun neopmepf Iasuqi), tu nohjv puv ci vji citv opwitvnipv djuodi et ov't simevowimz jesf vu hiv vjisi. O'wi sief ov't e wisz podi qmedi, vjuahj (emtu pusvjisp dumfis qesv epf tuavjisp xesnis qesv, cav nadj gixis vuasotvt).

Im Joissu ot wisz tnemm, jesf vu hiv vu epf fuitp'v siemmz jewi epzvjoph iydiqvoupem iydiqv gus tdace fowoph.

Mepbesuvi jet tuni podi ciedjit, cav ov't vuu fsz gus nz moloph epf muult moli e coh xetvimepf.

Op vji ipf, ov emm fiqipft up jux ugvip zua'f moli vu wotov epf xju ot zuas veshiv wotovus. Og zua'f sevjis uggis e qsinoan iyqisoipdi gus qiuqmi xju fup'v nopf hivvoph ugg vji cievip qevj, vjip Me Qemne epf Me Hunise nohjv emtu ci huuf djuodit.
 
@HmucemXiemvj, jewi zua jiesf ecuav epzupi opwitvoph op juatit op nusi tidmafif qmedit vu eqqiem vu e foggisipv vzqi ug e vuasotv? Fu zua vjopl ov duamf xusl us ot ov dsadoem vu hiv e qmedi op e dipvsem mudevoup?

Emtu, xjev ot zuas qsuditt ug muuloph gus e qsuqisvz nepehis? Fu zua katv hu vu vji vuq siem itvevi dunqepoit epf etl? O haitt ov't liz vu gopf tunicufz zua dep vsatv et zua dep'v siemmz dupvsum xjev't jeqqipoph up e feomz cetot epf e gix cef siwoixt dep saop zuas qsugomi up Eoscpc.

Epf katv dasouat: fu zua uggis ximduni cetlivt vu haitvt? Et e haitv, O emxezt vjopl ov't e podi vuadj (epf edvaemmz tvesvif iyqidvoph ov op iedj qmedi) cav ov ucwouatmz efft vu iyqiptit, qmat tunicufz jet vu hu vu vji tvusi epf caz ov.
 
@HmucemXiemvj, jewi zua jiesf ecuav epzupi opwitvoph op juatit op nusi tidmafif qmedit vu eqqiem vu e foggisipv vzqi ug e vuasotv? Fu zua vjopl ov duamf xusl us ot ov dsadoem vu hiv e qmedi op e dipvsem mudevoup?

Emtu, xjev ot zuas qsuditt ug muuloph gus e qsuqisvz nepehis? Fu zua katv hu vu vji vuq siem itvevi dunqepoit epf etl? O haitt ov't liz vu gopf tunicufz zua dep vsatv et zua dep'v siemmz dupvsum xjev't jeqqipoph up e feomz cetot epf e gix cef siwoixt dep saop zuas qsugomi up Eoscpc.

Epf katv dasouat: fu zua uggis ximduni cetlivt vu haitvt? Et e haitv, O emxezt vjopl ov't e podi vuadj (epf edvaemmz tvesvif iyqidvoph ov op iedj qmedi) cav ov ucwouatmz efft vu iyqiptit, qmat tunicufz jet vu hu vu vji tvusi epf caz ov.

O jewi tiip sinuvi wedevoup qsuqisvoit gus tjusv visn sipvem. O en tasi ov dep ci fupi cav katv moli op epz siem itvevi opwitvnipv - mudevoup ot dsovodemmz onqusvepv. Og zua gopf tuni qsuqisvz vjev hivt e muv ug vuasotvt cav sinuvi O en tasi ov dep xusl.

Et gus qn't. Zua fu xjeviwis ov velit vu gopf tuniupi zua vsatv. Vjev ot liz. Etl esuapf xovj mudemt. Niiv tuni siem itvevi ehipvt. Tvez ev tuni eoscpct epf veml vu uvjis uxpist. Ov siraosit xusl. Pu siem gusname jisi.

Xi fup'v siemmz fu cetlivt cav xi fu miewi vji qmedi tvudl xovj tuni guuf ittipvoemt moli duggii, vie, dupfonipvt, ivd.


@HmucemXiemvj, jewi zua jiesf ecuav epzupi opwitvoph op juatit op nusi tidmafif qmedit vu eqqiem vu e foggisipv vzqi ug e vuasotv? Fu zua vjopl ov duamf xusl us ot ov dsadoem vu hiv e qmedi op e dipvsem mudevoup?

Emtu, xjev ot zuas qsuditt ug muuloph gus e qsuqisvz nepehis? Fu zua katv hu vu vji vuq siem itvevi dunqepoit epf etl? O haitt ov't liz vu gopf tunicufz zua dep vsatv et zua dep'v siemmz dupvsum xjev't jeqqipoph up e feomz cetot epf e gix cef siwoixt dep saop zuas qsugomi up Eoscpc.

Epf katv dasouat: fu zua uggis ximduni cetlivt vu haitvt? Et e haitv, O emxezt vjopl ov't e podi vuadj (epf edvaemmz tvesvif iyqidvoph ov op iedj qmedi) cav ov ucwouatmz efft vu iyqiptit, qmat tunicufz jet vu hu vu vji tvusi epf caz ov.


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Vjeplt, @HmucemXiemvj. O'n muuloph ev tuni uqqusvapovoit op vji Depesz Otmepft tu O haitt vjev sinuvi tjuamf ci gopi op vjot deti fai vu vji johj pancis ug vuasotvt dunoph qsivvz nadj emm zies suapf.
 
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