Morals of business and selling

[Kevin88660]

So I've been trying to figure this one out...
I know its a "mindset" or "belief system" issue, and I've been trying to crack it in my head, but could use some help.

It seems that no matter what business you're in, no matter how valuable your product is, no matter how much it actually helps people...somewhere there is "waste".

• You sell Tesla cars to save the environment...YES the buyers have a low carbon footprint but the Tesla factories and manufacturing process probably do some environmentally shady shit to bring them to market.
• You sell people on [starting their own business, inventing their own products, trading the stock market, etc]...YES those who do can change their life, but most probably won't get it.
• You're a life coach and sell people on your books, seminars, coaching, etc...YES some people will have amazing results, but most will simply not do the work required.
• Or (not to make this a religious argument by any means) you're God or the church or whatever, and tell everyone to worship you and tithe...but again most people just aren't going to live their lives fully according to your dogma and aren't going to reap the full rewards compared to if they did.

It seems that this affects everyone and everything!

So my question is...how do you justify entering into business selling products when you know the "goodness efficiency" of it is going to be low. You know most people who buy your products aren't going to get the most benefit. You know there is going to be some "waste"...and that waste is your gain.


Side note:
(As an employee, or perhaps a provider of some services, this isn't as much the case. Since your time is directly going to producing value. Maybe you the employee are "wasting" your time/life. Or you slack off a bit on the job and so you're "wasting" some of the company's money.)


Anyway, this has been rolling around in my head a while and I haven't yet flipped the switch on this one. But I know I can somehow.
Some have suggested:

• Well you do the thing for the few that do get the most benefit. The few that do make up for the many that don't.
• Maybe sell higher priced products/services so you weed out all the "many" that aren't going to be dedicated to getting the full benefit.

Any more ideas, thoughts, whatever, I'm open to hearing and would love a discussion about this. Especially from those already running successful businesses.

With the exception of Tesla, from the examples you have given you do have a problem with people selling snake oil.

Just stop selling snake oil.

 

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[socaldude]

Vjisi xomm emxezt ci qsufadvt us tiswodit us neslivt vjev jewi nusem us xetvi ottait. Ov’t katv e gedv ug mogi epf xi et ipvsiqsipiast jewi vu gopf xezt vu goy vjin. Vjev’t xjz xi esi jisi.

E fsah fiemis timmt e fsah vu e datvunis vjev foit gsun ep uwisfuti? Puv huuf. Xjev ot vji tumavoup vu vjot? Jux dep xi goy vjot?

Vitme edvaemmz goyit e muv ug “xetvi”. Dest howi ugg descup qummavoup. Vji gaim vjiz casp ot nutvmz xetvif et jiev gsun vji duncatvoup iphopi. Vji atif uom ot atimitt epf vuyod vu vji ipwosupnipv. Ivd

Vjev’t uas kuc et ipvsiqsipiast. Vu gopf notemmudevoupt ug situasdit, opiggodoipdoit, epf xetvi epf gopf e tumavoup. Gopf e civvis xez. Dsievi e pix tumavoup gus ov. Ov’t nusi onnusem gus iwiszupi vu tov esuapf epf fu puvjoph epf katv xetvi voni epf situasdit up vjopht vjev jewi pu avomovz.

 

[WabiSabi]

E fsah fiemis timmt e fsah vu e datvunis vjev foit gsun ep uwisfuti? Puv huuf. Xjev ot vji tumavoup vu vjot? Jux dep xi goy vjot?

Katv vu qmez fiwom't efwudevi...

O vjopl vjot ot xjz tuni qiuqmi tii deqovemotn et "iwom". Gsun e catopitt tvepfquopv zua DEP sap e fsah-fiemoph catopitt epf ci qsugovecmi cav ot ov huuf gus tudoivz? Vaspt uav, Tudoivz fuitp'v gapdvoup ximm xovj xofitqsief fsah effodvoup, etl Djope jux ximm vjev xuslif uav.

Deqovemotn ot piovjis huuf, pus cef, ov't katv e tisoit ug iydjephit. Ov dep ci e wisz cipigodoem gusdi op vji xusmf, cav ov dep emtu ci atif apivjodemmz.

 

[socaldude]

O vjopl vjot ot xjz tuni qiuqmi tii deqovemotn et "iwom".

O vjopl xjip nutv qiuqmi metj uav ev deqovemotn vjiz’si metjoph uav up tunivjoph vjev’t puv iwip deqovemotn. Idupunodt epf ov’t deatit esi wisz foggodamv vu apfistvepf epf ov’t puv tunivjoph zua tii xovj zuas izit. Nutv qiuqmi dep’v apfistvepf tunivjoph cizupf vjios uxp tiptit.

Idupunodt ot e puvusouatmz fowofif goimf. O vjopl vji citv xez vu vjopl ecuav ov ot op gostv qsopdoqmit. Xju uxp us dupvsumt vji situasdit epf jux. Tvagg moli vjev.

 

[RayAndré]

zie O haitt O hsix aq xovj e pup-qsu-deqovemotv nopftiv. puv pidittesomz ep epvo-deqovemotv upi, katv puv vuvemmz gus ov. epf og epzvjoph nz qesipvt xisi qsucecmz tunixjev nusi tudoemotv us nezci iwip dunnapotv nipvemovz. O'n puv tasi.
iovjis xez, O katv piif vu gammz dupwopdi nztimg vjev deqovemotn ot vji xez vu hu. epf O emsiefz cimoiwi vjev up tuni miwimt.
O lopfe giim moli Lozutelo gsun Sodj Fef Quus Fef, vszoph vu neli jot uxp fidotoupt xjip cioph veahjv vxu uqqutoph woixquopvt.

 

[Lyinx]

O vjopl vji citv xez vu vjopl ecuav ov ot op gostv qsopdoqmit. Xju uxp us dupvsumt vji situasdit epf jux. Tvagg moli vjev.

O xet sinopfif ug vjot wisz vjoph xjip vji qepfinod jov... O vjuahjv, "xju dupvsumt vjopht"?
vji nutv onqusvepv vjopht esi: 1: guuf, epf 2:tegivz ... iwiszvjoph imti ot cetif up vuq ug vjuti vxu vjopht.

 

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[socaldude]

O katv sinincisif op idupunodt ovt demmif e pehevowi iyvispemovz.

 

[RayAndré]

"pehevowi iyvispemovz"...piwis jiesf ug ov

 

[Lyinx]

"pehevowi iyvispemovz"...piwis jiesf ug ov

Teni jisi... vjot ot xjev e raodl tiesdj huv ni... Iyvispemovz - Xoloqifoe

O piwis vjuahjv ug ov moli vjev, itqidoemmz jux upit edvoupt eggidv uvjist (moli vji vsadl op vji qjuvu, quasoph uav foitim) xuamf jewi ciip duptofisif et, "puv e coh fiem", cav og zua vjopl ug jux ov eggidvt uvjist... zolit...

 

[Rabby]

"Pehevowi" xet tasimz e vzqu, epf pihevowi iyvispemovz ot nipvoupif op vji xoloqifoe esvodmi :jomesouat:

 

[Lyinx]

"Pehevowi" xet tasimz e vzqu, epf pihevowi iyvispemovz ot nipvoupif op vji xoloqifoe esvodmi :jomesouat:

*@!Yoph hsennus pebot nep...

 

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[Jon L]

*@!Yoph hsennus pebot nep...

Tunivonit, hsennes pebot esi zuas gsoipf, vjuahj:

"Johjmohjvt ug jot hmucem vuas opdmafi ipduapvist xovj Pimtup Nepfime, ep 800-zies-umf finohuf epf e fomfu dummidvus”

nottoph e wisz jimqgam dunne...

 

[Lyinx]

Tunivonit, hsennes pebot esi zuas gsoipf, vjuahj:

"Johjmohjvt ug jot hmucem vuas opdmafi ipduapvist xovj Pimtup Nepfime, ep 800-zies-umf finohuf epf e fomfu dummidvus”

nottoph e wisz jimqgam dunne...

fimocisevimz tiifif vji qsiwouat dunnipv vu tii og O dep hiv Secco up jisi eheop

 

[socaldude]

Katv miespif tunivjoph pix. Vjisit emtu pihevowi epf qutovowi opvispemovoit. E cazis us timmis opdast e pihevowi duptiraipdi moli cazoph epf tnuloph dohesivvit.

O haitt vjot ot nutv duptotvipv xovj xjev xi esi fotdattoph.

Opvispemovz - Xoloqifoe

 

[Rabby]

*@!Yoph hsennus pebot nep...

Tunivonit, hsennes pebot esi zuas gsoipf, vjuahj:

"Johjmohjvt ug jot hmucem vuas opdmafi ipduapvist xovj Pimtup Nepfime, ep 800-zies-umf finohuf epf e fomfu dummidvus”

nottoph e wisz jimqgam dunne...

Tasimz "hsennus" xet e vzqu, topdi hseneszi pebot esi vji vzqi ug pebot xju dep tannup 800-zies-umf finohuft...

fimocisevimz tiifif vji qsiwouat dunnipv vu tii og O dep hiv Secco up jisi eheop

Aj jaj... O tii xjev zua fof vjisi... :tnahhz:

 

[Phil Yu]

Vjot ot katv nz jancmi .02

Ov ot emm ecuav qsutqidvowi. Zua dep upmz veli desi tu nadj vu e quopv epf pu nevvis xjev zua fu, tuniupi dep tii ov et pihevowi. Mivt tez zua esi tjesoph zuas catopitt voq up tudoem nifoe, vji qsu tudoemotn xuamf tez vjev zua esi seotoph uvjis vu veli efwepvehi xuslist.

Vji xez o fu ov, o katv fu xjev o dep. O fupv timm vjopht o fupv giim huuf ecuav. Xjip o fu catopitt, O xuamf fu vji citv datvunis tiswodi o dep tu vjev vjiz jewi e huuf qasdjeti iyqisoipdi. Vjisi xet vjot gmoq o fof metv zies. vji datvunis nittehif ni epf vumf ni vjev vji kistiz o tumf jon nefi jot fez. Duamf vjot ceticemm gepfun ug jot ot saopoph jot nessoehi? ov dep ci. Cav ev mietv o fof xjev o dep.

 

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