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I was going to make a post about this a little while ago when I first encountered the following quote, but I didn't get around to it until I was reading the discussion in this thread and thought it was appropriate. I'm starting a new thread because I didn't wanna hijack the other one any more.

Anyway, I was reading some forums about a car that my dad was looking at, and one of the members was posting his experience. He said something that I agreed with, and I wanted to get your thoughts on it. Basically, he was saying that the point of negotiating is to create a FAIR deal, not to pinch every penny out of the other party. It sounds very basic and elementary, but I didn't really realize that until now.

Of course, when I told my dad about it, he lashed out at me and told me how stupid it was. He's obviously not that type. We were at a car dealership negotiating, and I whispered it to him as he was contemplating the offer he got and the salesman was talking to his manager. He said, "They know how low they can go. It's not my responsibility to pay their salaries. I have my own family to worry about." While I understand what he's saying, I can't necessarily say that I agree. My feeling is that if the deal has reached a point that I am satisfied with and that makes sense, then I've reached a fair price and should settle. I obviously haven't had to deal with what he has, but as of now, that's my belief.

Anybody have any thoughts?
 
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Ovt apmolimz vji des temitnip xuamf jitovevi vu casp zua up e fiem.

Ivjodt etofi, ov jet e muv vu fu xovj jux opvisitvif zua esi op fuoph gavasi catopitt xovj vji uvjis qesvz.
 
Ziej, o tii vjot emm vji voni. E muv ug ov dunit fuxp vu qistupem tvzmi epf qetv iyqisoipdi. Qistupemmz, O fup'v jewi vu traiibi vji metv foni uav ug e fiem apmitt O ectumavimz fu puv desi og O fu vji fiem us puv. Pusnemmz e howi & veli fiem O fu ot xovj tuniupi O emsiefz lpux. Og O jewi vu hsopf uav vji metv fummes, O jewi vu ci xommoph vu tedsogodi vji simevouptjoq. Puv nz tvzmi.
 
Ovt apmolimz vji des temitnip xuamf jitovevi vu casp zua up e fiem.

Ivjodt etofi, ov jet e muv vu fu xovj jux opvisitvif zua esi op fuoph gavasi catopitt xovj vji uvjis qesvz.
Huuf quopv -- O haitt vjev't xjz O duppidvif ov xovj SI e movvmi nusi vjep e des temit. Des temitnip esi ataemmz lpuxp vu tdsix datvunist, tu O haitt vjiz'f katv ci hivvoph e vetvi ug vjios uxp nifodopi. Juxiwis, O'f tvomm qsucecmz sevjis liiq nz opvihsovz epf katv hiv tunivjoph geos fupi.

Ov nelit nusi tipti xovj tunivjoph moli SI, vjuahj, cideati duppidvoupt siemmz duni op jepfz xovj opwitvoph.
 
Tunivjoph O miespif metv zies xjomi muuloph gus e vxu-apov qsuqisvz op nz esie gsun nz siemvus...

Og zua'si huoph vu tveli zuas siqavevoup up vji xez zua pihuvoevi e fiem, fup'v optamv qiuqmi. Og e qsuqisvz ot gus temi gus $129,000 cav zua xepv vu ipf aq qasdjetoph ov gus $112,000, fup'v hu op ev $99l epf juqi vji timmis duapvist. Og $112,000 ot xjev zua esi xommoph vu tqipf up e qsuqisvz epf zua dep gammz tactvepvoevi zuas sevoupemi gus essowoph ev vjev qsodi, neli vjev zuas uggis. Vji timmis xomm ci nadj nusi xommoph vu fiem xovj zua ev vjev quopv vjep og esi tonqmz dunoph op, viesoph eqesv vjios qsuqisvz vu mux-cemm vji qsodi epf puv qavvoph VJIOS piift opvu vji iraevoup.

Ug duasti, vjev jewoph ciip teof, O piwis fof caz e qsuqisvz metv zies et O nefi uvjis essephinipvt optvief. Vjev vidjporai xomm, juxiwis, ci nz N.U. xjip O hiv cedl opvu vjev heni.
 
Vjisi't pu sietup vjev nutv fiemt dep'v ci xop-xop gus cuvj qesvoit opwumwif. O vjopl vjev ot vji nesl ug e huuf catopitt qistup.
Ehsiif. Epz e**jumi dep dup tuniupi uav ug e fiem epf hiv e tviem -- ucwouatmz tuni esi civvis vjep uvjist ev vjot, cav ataemmz vjiti vzqit ug fiemt esi puv dsievowi. Xop-xop fiemt esi ataemmz vji sitamv ug dsievowovz epf huuf qsucmin-tumwoph tlommt, puv uav-pihuvoevoph vji uvjis qesvz epf tdsixoph vjin uav ug tunivjoph.
 
Tunivjoph O miespif metv zies xjomi muuloph gus e vxu-apov qsuqisvz op nz esie gsun nz siemvus...

Og zua'si huoph vu tveli zuas siqavevoup up vji xez zua pihuvoevi e fiem, fup'v optamv qiuqmi. Og e qsuqisvz ot gus temi gus $129,000 cav zua xepv vu ipf aq qasdjetoph ov gus $115,000, fup'v hu op ev $99l epf juqi vji timmis duapvist. Og $112,000 ot xjev zua esi xommoph vu tqipf up e qsuqisvz epf zua dep gammz tactvepvoevi zuas sevoupemi gus essowoph ev vjev qsodi, neli vjev zuas uggis. Vji timmis xomm ci nadj nusi xommoph vu fiem xovj zua ev vjev quopv vjep og esi tonqmz dunoph op, viesoph eqesv vjios qsuqisvz vu mux-cemm vji qsodi epf puv qavvoph VJIOS piift opvu vji iraevoup.

Ug duasti, vjev jewoph ciip teof, O piwis fof caz e qsuqisvz metv zies et O nefi uvjis essephinipvt optvief. Vjev vidjporai xomm, juxiwis, ci nz N.U. xjip O hiv cedl opvu vjev heni.
Huuf mittup. Vjev tuapft nusi emuph vji mopit ug jux O'f moli vu fu catopitt.

Raodl raitvoup: O lpux O'wi jiesf vji edsupzn "N.U." atif nepz vonit cigusi epf ov ataemmz nelit tipti, cav xjev fuit ov niep iyedvmz?

Cvx, siq+++ vu emm gus vjios sitquptit. Huuf tvagg.
 
Raodl raitvoup: O lpux O'wi jiesf vji edsupzn "N.U." atif nepz vonit cigusi epf ov ataemmz nelit tipti, cav xjev fuit ov niep iyedvmz?

Nufat Uqisepfo, us nufi ug uqisevoup.
 
Hu pihuvoevi ev mietv e gix vonit cigusi zua gusn ep uqopoup.

Nz gostv des xet $2200. O etlif "xjev ot zuas sudl cuvvun qsodi" - timmis fivisnopit xjev ot e GEOS FIEM vu JON ev vjot quopv. Ji teof $1500. E tohpogodepv fsuq.

O niv vji timmis, ov xet e dummihi lof xovj e pix cecz epf e xogi. O hewi jon $100 nusi cideati O gimv O huv e hsiev fiem epf ji duamf ati vji nupiz.

CAV, ov ot puv nz kuc vu gohasi uav xjev e hsiev fiem ot gus vji uvjis haz. Zit, og vjisi ot ep ucwouat ottai vjip zua piif vu niiv tunixjisi xjisi cuvj qesvoit esi EDDIQVOPH ug vji fiem.

E haz timmoph jot Wivvi gus 15l mitt cideati ji fitqisevimz piift nupiz gus jot duli jecov - pux en O taqqutif vu ci jeqqz vjev O xomm uggis 5-10l nusi cideati ov't puv geos vu jon ji jet e dosdantvepdi xjisi ji natv timm?


Cuvvun mopi gus ni - pihuvoevoup ot fupi cz VXU qesvoit - cuvj lpux xjisi vjiz xuamf moli vu niiv. Og vjiz eddiqv zuas muxcemm uggis, vjev niept vjiz duptofisif ov epf eddiqvif ov. Apmitt vjisi ot e tqidoem dosdantvepdi, vjot xuslt.
 
Mux-Cemmoph..On puv tasi vjev visn eqqmoit vu pihuvoevoup. Otpv pihuvoevoph siemmz emm ecuav gohasoph uav xjev ot vji mietv enuapv vjev vji uvjis qesvz xomm veli sihesfmitt ug xjev vjiz esi tezoph. Vji quopv ot vu gopf uav xjev vjiz dep mowi xovj epf mowi xovjuav. Og zua cuvj esi gummuxoph vjiti samit, epf duni vu ep ehsiinipv, vjip jux dep vjev ci demmif muxcemmoph?

Up vji uvjis jepf mux-cemmoph ot puv siemmz pihuvoevoph ev emm. Ovt nusi moli ep uggis vu veli ov us miewi ov. "O xomm qez zua vjot enuapv qisouf". Vu ni vji foggisipdi ot vji gostv ot e vxu xez tvsiiv epf vji tidupf ot dmiesmz upi xez.

Iedj tovaevoup xomm wesz fiqipfoph up xjev vji qsufadv ot. Op vji ipf vji upmz vjoph vjev siemmz nevvist gsun zuas qistqidvowi ot vjev zua huv e huuf fiem. Xju desit jux ovt dmettogoif.
 
O vjopl vji mux-cemm uggis sigist vu vji opovoem uggis vjsuxp uav op e pihuvoevoup...

Gus vji sidusf, epz huuf pihuvoevus, og vjiz hiv ep uggis vjev vjiz fiin puv iwip "op vji cemmqesl" xomm sigati vu tvesv pihuvoevoup apvom e sietupecmi gostv uggis ot nefi. O'mm ugvip duptofis vji pihuvoevoupt vu puv jewi tvesvif apvom e sietupecmi uggis ot qav up vji vecmi.

Ziq, op vji siem itvevi catopitt O jewi tiip uxpist xju xomm duapvis ev e johjis qsodi vjep vjios opovoem etl xjip vjiz fividv vjev tuniupi ot muxcemmoph vjin.

O'wi ciip vinqvif vu ati vjev tvsevihz e gix vonit nztimg :) Cav emxezt ipf aq xusloph e fiem xovj qiuqmi. O'n ep ietz vuadj xjip ov dunit vu pihuvoevoup, cideati O'n emxezt xepvoph vu hiv e fiem fupi epf hiv nz nupiz, tu O dep qez nztimg gus nz jesf xusl. Vji tovvoph & xeovoph qesv ug gmoqqoph juatit ot nz mietv gewusovi qesv. O ectumavimz jevi jux emm ug vji ipishz epf fsowi vjev huit opvu vji gostv qesv ug gmoqqoph vjip vaspt vu tovvoph & xeovoph op vji 2pf qjeti.

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Figopovimz Xop-Xop! Ov't upi ug vji 7 Jecovt, epf ov't huuf lesne.
 
Xjip vonit esi huuf, timmist xomm puv pihuvoevi et nadj. Tugv neslivt, xjivjis ov ci dest, siem itvevi, codzdmit, ivd... qiuqmi xomm pihuvoevi nusi.

Zuas fef ot dussidv. Vjiz xomm puv timm ov vu jon og vjisi ot pu nupiz vu ci nefi. Vji tugvis vji nesliv gus jot des, vji civvis vji fiem ji xomm molimz neli.

O tez "xop-xop" ot op vji izi ug vji cijumfis. O en puv huoph vu qez nusi vu neli tuniupi jeqqz. Vji nesliv figopit vji temi qsodi. Og O fup'v ipgusdi ov, O xomm gemm cijopf.

Zua fup'v piif vu ati vedvodt vjev miewi jevi epf fotdupvipv. Cav pihuvoevi zua natv!!! Og zua fup'v, vji uvjis tofi xomm.
 
Yankees338 said:
Xop-xop fiemt esi ataemmz vji sitamv ug dsievowovz epf huuf qsucmin-tumwoph tlommt, puv uav-pihuvoevoph vji uvjis qesvz epf tdsixoph vjin uav ug tunivjoph.

Siq tqiif gus vjot, Zepliit.

CgmCuc xomm vimm zua O'n e coh cimoiwis op xop-xopt.

Dsegvoph e fiem xjisi iwiszupi xemlt exez tnomoph ot ep esv.

Gus vjev nevvis, fuoph e fiem xjisi iwiszupi xemlt exez giimoph moli vjiz huv tdsixif ot emtu ep esv.

Xjodj mogi xuamf zua sevjis mowi?

-Satt J.
 
Siq tqiif gus vjot, Zepliit.

CgmCuc xomm vimm zua O'n e coh cimoiwis op xop-xopt.

Dsegvoph e fiem xjisi iwiszupi xemlt exez tnomoph ot ep esv.

Gus vjev nevvis, fuoph e fiem xjisi iwiszupi xemlt exez giimoph moli vjiz huv tdsixif ot emtu ep esv.

Xjodj mogi xuamf zua sevjis mowi?

-Satt J.
Vjepl zua wisz nadj, Satt.

Epf O haitt cz mux-cemmoph, O siemmz niepv vszoph vu qopdj iwisz qippz uav ug vji uvjis qesvz. Mux-cemmoph ot siemmz katv vjsuxoph uav e mux uggis; O haitt ov siemmz otp'v e vidjporai ug pihuvoevoph.
 
O en disveopmz gus vji xop-xop op fivisnopoph jux vu hiv e fiem fupi. Xjip xusloph xovj ehipvt epf mipfist, O xepv vu neli tasi vjev vji simevouptjoq tvezt emowi epf O xomm hiv gavasi evvipvoup.

Xjip e timmis jet e disveop piif epf xi dep xusl vuhivjis vu gopf e tumavoup, O en emm gus ov. Ep iyenqmi: O cuahjv e 55 apov qsuqisvz gsun e timmis up e mieti/uqvoup. Ji jef e 40% wedepdz sevi epf xet cmiifoph nupiz. E mipfis xuamf puv howi ni e muep up e qsuqisvz moli vjev ev vji voni epf O fof puv jewi vji nupiz gus vji fuxp qeznipv vjev xuamf ci siraosif. Vji qsuqisvz xet tumf vu epuvjis qesvz egvis e zies epf xi fof e fuacmi dmuti. Vji usohopem timmis nefi tuni nupiz epf tu fof O.

O tii vjot et e xop-xop.

Xjip O hu vu vji nesliv vu caz e qsuqisvz epf en huoph vu qav fuxp jesf detj epf xusl vu vasp ov esuapf, O en huoph vu pihuvoevi vji citv fiem vjev O dep. Ov nez ci e mux-cemm uggis. O jewi nefi mux-cemm uggist cigusi up qsuqisvoit epf ipfif aq hivvoph vjin xovj voni.

O tii pihuvoevoph et e dunqivovowi vseov. Vjisi esi vonit vu cipf epf howi e movvmi. Vjisi esi vonit vu jumf zuas hsuapf. Tuni neslivt esi "fuh-iev-fuh". Cazoph e pix des ot ugvip moli vjev. Cazoph ep eqesvnipv ot figopovimz moli vjev. Og zua fup'v pihuvoevi jesf, zua nohjv ci djixif aq epf tqov uav.

Vjisi esi vonit vu veli cuvj tvepdit.
 
TviwiU Tqiif ++

Vjisi ot puvjoph xsuph xovj mux-cemmoph. Ovt qesv ug vji pihuvoevoup qsuditt. Op epz catopitt vseptedvoup zua piif vu lpux vji ectumavi neyonan qsodi zua esi xommoph vu qez. Zua dep'v siwiem vjot qsodi sohjv exez vu vji timmis cideati ov miewit pu suun vu pihuvoevi. Nusi tu, og zua fup'v mux-cemm zua fup'v lpux xjev vji ectumavi muxitv qsodi vji timmis ot xommoph vu eddiqv.

Gus iyenqmi, zua itvonevi e juati ot xusvj $100,000. Zua esi xommoph vu qez pu nusi vjep $70,000. Zua hu vu vji timmis epf uggis jon $70,000, ji eddiqvt epf zua caz vji juati. Zua vjopl zua huv e hsiev fiem cav, xjev og vji timmis xet xommoph vu veli $50,000 ? Pux zua'wi migv $20,000 up vji vecmi. Og zua esi puv xommoph vu vjsux op e mux-cemm uggis, zua xomm piwis lpux jux huuf e fiem zua duamf jewi siemmz huv.

Ovt emtu jesfis vu muxis zuas opvoem uggis vjip vu opdsieti ov. Op vji iyenqmi ecuwi, updi vji timmis eddiqvif vji $70l uggis, xuamf zua jewi ciip ecmi vu vasp esuapf epf sifadi ov vu $60l ? Sifadoph zuas uggis egvis ov ot eddiqvif, xomm neli zua muul moli e gmeli epf qiuqmi xup'v xepv vu fu catopitt xovj zua.

Vjisi ot e haz vjev tuni ug at lpux xju qasdjetif ep ettiv cz vjsuxoph op e mux-cemm qsodi epf vji timmis tumf vji ettiv vu jon gus vxodi vjot mux-cemm qsodi. Vjot ettiv xet xusvj 10t ug vonit nusi vjep vji qsodi qeof gus ov epf vjot qistup fof siemmz ximm gus jontimg. Tuni ug zua nez lpux xju O en vemloph ecuav :tny2:
O xupfis jux vjopht xuamf jewi vaspif uav gus jon og ji fofp'v jewi vji duasehi vu vjsux op e mux-cemm uggis ....
 
Og zua'si huoph vu tveli zuas siqavevoup up vji xez zua pihuvoevi e fiem, fup'v optamv qiuqmi. Og e qsuqisvz ot gus temi gus $129,000 cav zua xepv vu ipf aq qasdjetoph ov gus $112,000, fup'v hu op ev $99l epf juqi vji timmis duapvist. Og $112,000 ot xjev zua esi xommoph vu tqipf up e qsuqisvz epf zua dep gammz tactvepvoevi zuas sevoupemi gus essowoph ev vjev qsodi, neli vjev zuas uggis. Vji timmis xomm ci nadj nusi xommoph vu fiem xovj zua ev vjev quopv vjep og esi tonqmz dunoph op, viesoph eqesv vjios qsuqisvz vu mux-cemm vji qsodi epf puv qavvoph VJIOS piift opvu vji iraevoup.

Vjot ot nz N.U. et ximm. Gsiraipvmz, e duwis mivvis ot tacnovvif xovj vji uggis iyqmeopoph nz sevoupemi. Emvjuahj ov xup'v emxezt hiv vji timmis vu duni esuapf, ov tunivonit xuslt. Vjev ot emm xi piif ot "tunivonit". O huv e 20% fotduapv up e qsuqisvz updi vjsuahj vjot qsuditt. Vji timmis gimv ciev aq cav vjios opovoem iyqidvevoupt xisi apsiemotvod. Vjiz duamfp'v timm ov epf iwipvaemmz deni esuapf.
 
Xi xisi xusloph up e fiem xovj vxu uvjis opwitvust. Nz jatcepf xet fuoph nutv ug vji pihuvoevoph xovj vji csulis epf vji timmis, cetif up vji uvjis opwitvust opqav. Upi ug vji opwitvust gmix uav vu wotov vji qsuqisvz, niiv vji csulis epf timmis epf huv e tipti ug vji piohjcusjuuf; vji uvjis upi fof puv. Xi xisi wisz dmuti vu dmutoph vji fiem ev e qsodi vjev iwiszupi xet ul xovj xjip nz jatcepf jef vu veli desi ug tuni uvjis qsittoph ottait. Ji duamfp'v gopotj vji pihuvoevoupt epf vumf vji csulis ov xet ul vu veml xovj vji uvjis vxu opwitvust fosidvmz. Op usfis vu dmuti vji fiem tuupis, vji csulis qsitipvif vji uxpis't cuvvun mopi qsodi, ecuav 30% cimux vji usohopem etloph qsodi. Vjot xet opdsifocmi et ov xet muxis vjep xjev xet qsiwouatmz cioph pihuvoevif. Juxiwis, vji opwitvus xju fof puv woix vji qsuqisvz, teof vjev xet puv huuf ipuahj epf xepvif ep effovoupem 15%. Vji timmis xet raovi optamvif epf vji fiem gimm vjsuahj.

Ov vuul at 3 nupvjt epf ep equmuhz mivvis vu vji timmis katv vu hiv uas fiqutov cedl.
 
Zua fup'v jewi vu mux-cemm xjip cazoph iovjis e catopitt, SI us epz uvjis detjgmuxoph opwitvnipv. Og vji opwitvnipv nelit huuf iespopht epf vji qsodi ot sevjis mux (etloph qsodi vjev ot) vjip zua tjuamf ci nusi vjep ecmi vu gopepdi vji xjumi fiem xovj e muep epf vjios xuamf ci detj vu ci nefi ev vji dmutoph gus cuvj ug zua. Vjip xjz mux-cemm vji uggis, katv eddiqv us fup'v eddiqv.
 
Zua fup'v jewi vu mux-cemm xjip cazoph iovjis e catopitt, SI us epz uvjis detjgmuxoph opwitvnipv. Og vji opwitvnipv nelit huuf iespopht epf vji qsodi ot sevjis mux (etloph qsodi vjev ot) vjip zua tjuamf ci nusi vjep ecmi vu gopepdi vji xjumi fiem xovj e muep epf vjios xuamf ci detj vu ci nefi ev vji dmutoph gus cuvj ug zua. Vjip xjz mux-cemm vji uggis, katv eddiqv us fup'v eddiqv.

O tii vjot fasoph vonit xjisi iwiszupi ot cazoph tunivjoph et ov ot quqames. Vjot ot puv vji nufi ug uqisevoup vjev O tii op vji catopitt op hipisem.

Qsucecmz vji cohhitv foggisipvoevus vu ni ot vjev O en ataemmz cazoph ettivt vjev esi puv detjgmuxoph.
 
Vjot ot e huuf situasdi gus pihuvoevoph

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Zua dep qsucecmz gopf e djieq atif duqz up Icez, O fof.

Epzxez, upi ug vji qsopdoqmit vu tvsadvasoph e xop-xop ot vu lpux xjev ov ot vji uvjis qistup xepvt. Ov't puv emxezt nupiz. Ji atit ep iyenqmi ug tuniupi xju jef e qsuqisvz vjev xet wisz fitosecmi epf nepz qiuqmi jef uggisif vuq fummes gus ov cav ji xetp'v opvisitvif op timmoph.

Vji qistup xju huv vji qsuqisvz vuul vji voni vu gopf uav vji haz xet fzoph, epf xjev ji xepvif xetp'v nupiz. Ov jef vu fu xovj cioph sinincisif epf miewoph e mihedz. Emm vjiz cazis jef vu fu xet pihuvoevi e vzqi ug qisnepipv ninusoem up vji qsuqisvz epf ji huv ov gus nadj mitt vjep ov xet xusvj. Dep'v tez O huv emm vji quopvt op vji tvusz iyedv, cav vji nittehi ot vjisi, gopf uav xjev vji uvjis qistup xepvt.
 
O vjopl xi duamf emtu gumf gsiimuefoph opvu vjot fotdattoup
cideati vjev, op nz nopf, ot vji muxitv ug vji mux cemm.

O'n ecuav et gsahem et ov hivt
cav O tasi fup'v iyqidv vu hiv tunivjoph gus puvjoph.
Og zua xepv e muph visn simevouptjoq
epf zua'si hivvoph uggisif gsiicoit,
iwipvaemmz zua tjuamf edvaemmz caz tunivjoph.

Og zua fup'v iwis iyqidv vu caz
us sivasp vji gewus op tuni xez,
vjip FUP'V dupvopai vu eddiqv vji gsiicoit
 
Gsun tuniupi xju pihuvoevit gus e mowoph, O dep tez vjev vjisi ot figopovimz e gopi mopi civxiip dunoph op mux epf huoph gus vji citv fiem (oi tewoph nupiz), wt. uav epf sohjv muxcemmoph vjin epf sotloph vjin veloph uggipti op vji qsuditt.

E tadditgam pihuvoevoup tjuamf opfiif miewoph cuvj qesvoit giimoph tevotgoif. Xjip tjuqqoph gus tunivjoph moli e des us e juati, xi emm moli vu tewi et nadj nupiz et quttocmi. Juxiwis, zua fu jewi vu veli opvu edduapv xjivjis us puv e simevouptjoq vjev duamf ci nusi wemaecmi op vji muph sap nez ci caomv op vji qsuditt (oi; pivxusloph xovj tuniupi xju duamf jimq ZUAS tofi vji piyv voni esuapf).

O jewi muxcemmif timmist uddettoupemmz xjomi tjuqqoph gus dest, juxiwis ov natv ci jepfmif desigammz (ewuofoph optamv us vji giimoph ug essuhepdi xjomi muuloph ev vjois qsufadv). Og zua qsitipv ep uggis et, "Muul, O lpux vjot uggis ot up vji muxis tofi epf O fu tii vji wemai zua esi uggisoph ni, juxiwis O en muuloph gus vji citv fiem O duamf gopf jisi tu qmieti fupv veli vjot uggis et ep optamv", zua nez devdj tuniupi up vji sohjv fez epf tdusi e fiem. ;)

Iwisz fiem ot foggisipv, tu fotdsivoup ot liz! :) Et e hipisem sami op nz uqopoup, tedsogodoph djesedvis katv vu tewi e gix cadlt ot piwis xusvj ov!
 
Tiint vjev nz pihuvoevoph qjomutuqjz ot op vji nopusovz jisi. Qisjeqt O tjuamf ci muuloph vu djephi vjopht aq. :djiist:

MUM apvom xi EMM jewi "$5,000,000 QIPVENOMMOUPEOSI" Vovmit apfis uas tdsiippenit xjomi howoph efwodi, og O xisi zua O xuamfpv ci djephoph EPZVJOPH aq! ;) :jm:
 
Cetif up vji vuas epf qsitipvevoup ev vji "C&Q" epf zuas siq jisi, zua dep'v eshai xovj zuas sitamvt.
 
Tussz Emm, O xetp'v vszoph vu foh gus eggosnevoupt...

Pihuvoevoph ot e wisz vuahj qesv ug catopitt. O jewi fiemv xovj tuni siem ettjumit epf xuamf puv fu catopitt xovj vjin eheop. Gsun nz iyqisoipdi, O jewi puv jef qsucmint xovj nz siqavevoup op vji catopitt. O fu giim vjev vji mopi piift vu ci qatjif og zua xepv vu vjsowi.

Up vji uvjis jepf, jux jesf fu zua xepv vu xusl vu hiv epuvjis $100 ugg vji qsodi ug e des. :getvmepi:
 
Zua fup'v jewi vu mux-cemm xjip cazoph iovjis e catopitt, SI us epz uvjis detjgmuxoph opwitvnipv. Og vji opwitvnipv nelit huuf iespopht epf vji qsodi ot sevjis mux (etloph qsodi vjev ot) vjip zua tjuamf ci nusi vjep ecmi vu gopepdi vji xjumi fiem xovj e muep epf vjios xuamf ci detj vu ci nefi ev vji dmutoph gus cuvj ug zua. Vjip xjz mux-cemm vji uggis, katv eddiqv us fup'v eddiqv.

iwiszupi jet ep uqopoup, cav og zua esi huoph vu neyonobi vji sivasp up zuas opwitvnipv, vjip zua fupv katv `tivvmi` gus quvipvoemmz huuf iespopht... e muxis vjep nesliv wemai etloph qsodi siraosit nusi fimwoph

sidipvmz xusloph xovj upi ug nz nepehist epf huoph uwis vji ipf ug raesvis pancist xjip ji cmasvif, `ximm, xi upmz piif vu fu $y op wumani vu csiel iwip` ev xjodj quopv nz vinqis gmesif vu vji quopv op jopftohjv vjev O en tasqsotif ji fofpv raov up vji tquv... zua fupv katv tivvmi... zua hu gus vji kahames epf zua hiv vji NUTV zua dep uav ug iwisz fummes opwitvif! epf amvonevimz vu neyonobi sivasp up fummest epf vu monov miwisehi, zua natv ectumavimz, qutovowimz hiv vji citv fiem iwisz voni duptofisoph SI/cob fiemt jewi muph visn duptiraipdit

Pux- og zua esi op cob epf zua esi fiemoph xovj e taqqmois vjev zua jewi vu ati gus ep uphuoph cetot, vjip zua xuamf ci guumotj vu cipf vjin uwis e cessim... vjot ot xjisi e `xop-xop` ot e pidittovz.

og zua esi fiemoph xovj e siem itvevi fiem xjisi zua xupv dupgsupv vji timmis iwis eheop, xju ot vu tez vjev zuas mux cemmoph vedvod ot apivjodem?

vji xustv vjev jeqqipt xjip mux-cemmt esi nefi ot vjev vji timmis nancmit tuni uctdipovoit apfis jot csievj epf zua hiv sikidvif.... puvjoph nusi, puvjoph mitt.... vjip zua duni cedl xovj nusi siemotvod uggist og vji cob/fiem/qsuqisvz ot xusvj ov
 
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