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It's OK to loose as long as you lost doing the same as your competitors - but if you sat on the sidelines during a run-up your toast.
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It's OK to loose as long as you lost doing the same as your competitors - but if you sat on the sidelines during a run-up your toast.
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I'll go back to lurking.@Jon Now I'm talking fund managers, acquisitions guys, corp tools, salaried 9-5ers that are paid to find deals with OPM.
Not private investors with their own money.
Landlord Leasing:Landlord leasing + commercial development.
Ben,Too volatile in terms of CF in the Mid-West, with not enough appreciation.
Ahhh...we have a winner! You are correct it is more about taking advantage of the gold rush, not necessarily finding the gold itself.Does the saying; "when everyone is digging for gold, sell shovels" apply here?
Sorry,
I misread his post, I thought he was asking how his friend could still own the property while producing cash flow and the bank holds the note. I'm not familiar with a bank buying leases, and if they did, I assume it would be more than a year at a time!
@smartmanwhy is there a tsunami coming?
Yeah your right, globest.com, my bad.Is there any way to get involved in this without having a real estate license? For someone who wants to jump in, are there any legal hurdles or tricky legal issues/taxes to be aware of where to read about them?
Do you think there are any digital/tech opportunities related to this boom that haven't caught up with the technological advancements in other industries? Or is this opportunity mostly confined to going out with a physical, local presence?
Do you see any major problems, annoyances, frustrations or issues with the way this market works, typical lead generation, analysis of a property, buying/selling transactions ...work?
Also, considering your involvement in the real estate market, do you think there's any advantage speaking Mandarin (Chinese)? And if so, how valuable is that... to be able to leverage potential Chinese buyers or is that mostly just overhyped buzz?
Thanks.
By the way, the "globestreet" link redirects to CNN for some reason.
This depends on your statutory regulations, but even then they are not that tricky. Just get a RE lic. First thing to do would be contact a local brokerage in your area they will help you get licensed and keep you abreast of the rules. And yes pay all your taxes, but consult your tax adviser on how muchIs there any way to get involved in this without having a real estate license? For someone who wants to jump in, are there any legal hurdles or tricky legal issues/taxes to be aware of where to read about them?
Absolutely there is a new app or service coming on line daily - but I don't have the experience in the really high tech stuff to comment on - I come from a different generation - I can only help you with my experience and how it relates to the asset side of the business and the trends and how they stack up or compare to previous actions or what I think will happen or more importantly (the people I follow, Zell, Simon, Sulentic, White) think will happen.Do you think there are any digital/tech opportunities related to this boom that haven't caught up with the technological advancements in other industries? Or is this opportunity mostly confined to going out with a physical, local presence?
There is always room for improvement is that is what you are saying, another great question.Do you see any major problems, annoyances, frustrations or issues with the way this market works, typical lead generation, analysis of a property, buying/selling transactions ...work?
I would not pretend to be an expert on Sino trends, that might be best gotten from Globestreet (globest.com) or the Wall Street Journal. I can tell what I have been told: almost 30% of all interest coming thru the big brokerages for Class A office, flagged hospitality and very high end condos in NYC/West LA/Vancouver is from the mainland buyers. The new Chinese Gov't rules removing some of the restrictions on offshore investments for main landers has created a real surge. Will the sagging economy hurt this trend...who knows..some say it will only intensify as there is a flight to quality in US hard assets (real estate). I have also heard that Chinese main landers are now even heading into secondary and tertiary markets, where before they would only buy in the Gateway cities (NY/CHI/LA/SF/Miami) along with other strong Chinese areas: Torrance/Irvine/San Gabriel Valley.Also, considering your involvement in the real estate market, do you think there's any advantage speaking Mandarin (Chinese)? And if so, how valuable is that... to be able to leverage potential Chinese buyers or is that mostly just overhyped buzz?
LOL^^^^^^Are you kidding-I would rather speak Chinese than have an MRED fom Marshall (USC)do you think there's any advantage speaking Mandarin (Chinese)?
Haha - I'm not doing so good at hiding my identity, am I?@JustAskBenWhy I can't help but realize that youre the same Ben Leybovich from Bigger Pockets. Astounding how small the world of entreprenuership is. Awesome that youre on the main forum I frequent.
I've recently started dipping my feet into real estate investing on triplexes and have listened to your podcast from BP. It's helped me a bunch.
Thanks brother.
I am not that up on Canada, but I assume it is experiencing the same activity and speculation as we are in the states, especially you're area- Toronto.Nice thread... any thoughts on Canada?
Thanks for the info.
What would be the top 10 books to read?
As a general contractor in downtown Chicago, what should my company be doing to take advantage of the commercial real estate runup? We work with individual investors on the West Coast to flip houses for them in the city, but would like to ramp it up to the next level. Thanks for taking some time to do this!
Whats your experience investing in residential RE?
Just buy residential.
Keep building your tribe. Be ready to strike.I agree with everything you said, except for one thing:
I am not only lazy, but bored too! I get OMs in email and I still look at them. But, everything I've ever bought that turned out any good has been a function of relationships. For me, right now, buying is inherently more risky than not buying. So, I will only take action on something that makes so much sense that I can't let it go. The marginal stuff - not interested
Funny thing is - I still see small deals that 5 years ago I would have jumped on. But, I can't get the same financing I got 5 years ago. And besides, the impact of smaller deals is just too marginal. The result - Ben is bored...what to do?
I bought my commercial building not long ago from the bank. Former CRE owner went belly up on a sizable light industrial portfolio in the crunch and the bank had it awhile. The bank got tired of the headaches trying to raise our rent (I never drove my Bentley to work! Esp when the banker would come by). The former owner actually approached w/a partner deal 50/50 to buy, he'd do all the paperwork and get mezzanine financing(insurance companies do this). Bennies were he does all the work, and we reduce our annual lease/rent cost now in form of a mortgage. I ended up just paying him a referral fee and did it myself, and reduced annual costs by nearly $70 grand. I just had to put a little down and our biz bank did CRE lending and did the deal. Building in good shape, good roof report. Good thing is I knew the tenant well (me) and the shape of the building. The risk is taking on all building expenses but in many leases the tenant ends up paying most of the CAM/improvements anyway.
But for most business owners, who are concentrated on their business, his partner deal was an intriguing pitch, I almost bit. He is going to make a passive fortune on his own belly up portfolio doing these deals. It is a very intriguing business that I'm going to look into more for on the side. He's done 4 of them. A 50/50 partner in 4 buildings with nothing down out of his pocket. "saved" the owners on rent, gave them equity upside and security in owning their own building, not vulnerable to a rogue landlord jacking up rent forcing them to move operations(a pain in the arse). He does a little paperwork, accounting/legal for the new LLC and cashes checks.
This is was one of Trump's favorite strategies.
Kind of a non-arms length distress "sale leaseback," only with tenant participation. The tenant gets the benefits of partial ownership and security (no rent increases) and participation in any future appreciation. This strategy works great, because as you state, industrial buildings are mostly structured on a triple net or industrial net lease basis and their is little risk for the landlord.
So as I understand: the landlord/owner (if you had agreed-you didn't-that's awesome) would be putting this deal on without any out of pocket cost, because he would be placing high interest mezz debt (7-9%) and as you pay your rent and the loan gets amortized, the LTV will drop and he would swap the high interest mezz (8-10%) with long term fixed debt (4-5%) and engage in a form of financial re-engineering or arbitrage.
The CRE owner would basically be monetizing your good credit (history and ability to pay rent) to fund his share of the ownership.
Brilliant, because as you say... most successful operators are busy with their enterprise and do not want to play landlord.
If you had $1M in cash and we're in NYC, Richmond VA, or Orlando FL where or what would you allocate most of the money too?
Are you happy with 8-10% returns?
If so, since you know the residential market and you already have investments, I would 1031 the SFRs, along with the cash you have on-hand, into a larger investment. Perhaps an 8-20 unit residential building. You'll get lower returns without leverage, but unless you're able to get a fully amortized loan, I wouldn't be excited about leveraging commercial real estate today knowing that interest rates are likely to rise in the next 60 months. Keep in mind that when interest rates rise, cap rates will likely do the same thing.
In many areas, a cash investment on an 8-20 unit stabilized building with decent management should generate at least 8% returns. Take a little more risk, and 10% shouldn't be impossible either.
Tons of value in this thread, I was talking to a real estate entrepreneur, he mentioned how he was building an apartment building 100+ units and he was going to lease the apartments and then the bank was going to buy the leases and he was still going to own the complex, could you explain how this works, it was going over my head and I'm trying to learn as much as possible as he wants me to help him
This needs to be the first sticky quote on TFLF.Does the saying; "when everyone is digging for gold, sell shovels" apply here?
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