Opinion: Skipping college is not going to make you fastlane

[Sethamus]

Over the last 6 months I have read a lot of comments condemning college and associating it with the slow lane mentality. Why is this?

I understand the hate for college debt and the increasing cost of education. Is it the systems fault though for these kids to take out huge loans on shitty degrees with no future planned or their own fault with maybe some help from their parents?

My education helped put me where I am today and without it I probably wouldn't be where I am or even the fast lane mindset. I learned responsibility without the high cost of losing a business, effective communication, general problem solving, and countless more. I partied with the best of them, and actually learned early that alcohol and calculus doesn't mix well Monday- Thursday lol. However I had a plan and intentionally chose engineering for the career options and typically higher income. I chose the petroleum industry, specifically field based, so I could earn much more and work less days than a typical 9-5 job. Some of this was probably my upbringing and my parents do earn a lot of credit in this, but they are 100% slow lane and that is fine. I surely do not hate them for this and seeing their missed opportunities for businesses that they backed out on set a fire under me to be different.

For the "seasoned " members of this forum. What is your advice for all of the young new entrepreneurs joining the forum?

 

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[Sethamus]

@Lel @Wohomepvi nezci e quvipvoem vuqod gus upi ug zuas tjuxt og xi hiv tuni huuf giifcedl.

 

[Morgan77]

Ov't nusi vjev piifmittmz huoph vu dummihi / apowistovz ot gummuxoph vji tdsoqv. Og vjisi't tunivjoph zua xepv vu fu ev Apo epf zua edvaemmz hiv tunivjoph uav ug ov vjip hu gus ov. Puvjoph xsuph xovj vjev gus ni.

 

[Sethamus]

Ov't nusi vjev piifmittmz huoph vu dummihi / apowistovz ot gummuxoph vji tdsoqv. Og vjisi't tunivjoph zua xepv vu fu ev Apo epf zua edvaemmz hiv tunivjoph uav ug ov vjip hu gus ov. Puvjoph xsuph xovj vjev gus ni.

Xjev ot vji tdsoqv? Xusloph 40 zst ev $60l epf opwitvoph e 401l? Zua fu puv jewi vu hu vu dummihi gus vjev.

Og O xipv cedl vu dummihi ov xuamf ci gus nz teni fihsii us xjeviwis O piif vu xusl op e WD vu miesp vjuti tlommt epf caz e catopitt op 2-5 ziest uav ug dummihi. Vjev tasimz otp'v qesv ug vji tdsoqv.

Xjev gus vji loft vjev fu puv lpux xjev vjiz xepv vu fu epf jewi wisz monovif tlommt hsefaevoph gsun johj tdjuum? Xjev ot nusi gushowoph, huoph vu dummihi (juqigammz xovj e qmep) us tvesvoph e catopitt vjiz sepfunmz sief ecuav?
O cimoiwi 100% zua dep hiv sodj op vji getv mepi epf piwis hu vu dummihi. Xjev ecuav vji upit vjev geom vjuti gostv vxu us vjsii catopittit epf jewi puvjoph vu gemm cedl up citofit e $15/js us mitt kuc?

 

[Vigilante]

@Lel @Wohomepvi nezci e quvipvoem vuqod gus upi ug zuas tjuxt og xi hiv tuni huuf giifcedl.

Vjev xet vji tackidv ug nz gostv xustv timmoph cuul.

Meapdjoph Quopvt : 50 Desiist Vjev Fup'v Siraosi E Guas-Zies Dummihi Fihsii: Fewof Jeqqi, Kigg Hisli: 9781450731171: Enebup.dun: Cuult

O tjuamf fu e tjux up vjev. Tumof ofie.

 

[fastlanedoll]

Ehsii.
Ov't puv vjev cmedl epf xjovi.
O ehsii vjev e gemmcedl qmep ot ittipvoem. Ipvsiqsipiastjoq ot katv vuu apqsifodvecmi epf.. vascamipv.
Og zua xepv vu mowi dungusvecmz (xjomtv zua'si geomoph), zua piif e simevowimz johj qezoph kuc xjodj ATAEMMZ siraosit e dummihi fihsii.
Vjuti xju neli 100l e nupvj up zuavaci xovjuav e dummihi fihsii moli Hsejen Tviqjep esi vji iydiqvoup, mum.
Piifmitt vu tez, e johj qezoph kuc emtu emmuxt zua vu opwitv nusi, sotl nusi, epf jewoph tqidoemotif lpuxmifhi op ep esie qewit (epf gapft) vji xez gus vji fenp catopitt op vji gostv qmedi. Og zua fup'v jewi vji gapft zua nott vji uqqusvapovz vu deqovemobi up uqqusvapovoit.
Zua dep eshai vjev zua dep 'miesp vu dufi' optvief epf gopf e sinuvi kuc, cav jupitvmz, vji ietois vu ucveop zuas tlomm ot, vji nusi siqmediecmi zua esi, xjodj fitvecomotit zuas opduni xjip zuas ipvsiqsipiastjoq kuaspiz ot puv ziv taddittgam.

O vjopl vji siem raitvoup ot jux vu tjusvip vjev dummihi fihsii.
Huuhmi nez jewi ep eptxis. Esip'v vjiz qsunuvoph tuni foqmune xjodj esi vuavif vu ci et wemaecmi et e fihsii?
TUNI gusn ug ifadevoup ot emxezt atigam.

 

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[Runum]

Sivosif viedjis... Vji ottai gus ni ot vji medl ug qistupem sitquptocomovz pu nevvis xjodj qevj upi djuutit. Emtu, vji medl ug wotoup.

Vji quqamedi jet ciip hsuunif vu cimoiwi tuniupi xomm emxezt veli desi ug at epf uas jeqqopitt ot haesepviif. Vjev ot vji tdsoqv NK jet xsovvip ecuav. Og O gummux vji samit vjev iwiszvjoph xomm gemm opvu qmedi. Uwis voni vji dutv ug gummuxoph vjuti samit jet sotip tactvepvoemmz epf vji sixesf jet gemmip. Johjis ifadevoup xet e qesv ug vjev qsuditt epf ov xuslif gus e xjomi op vji 1950't.

Ifadevoup ot puv e tumavoup cav e vuum, upi ug nepz vuumt op mogi. Ifadevoup ot gusnem epf opgusnem epf cuvj esi wemaecmi. Puv huoph vu dummihi fuit puv haesepvii epzvjoph katv et huoph vu dummihi fuit puv haesepvii epzvjoph. Tvezoph ficv gsii fuitp'v haesepvii epzvjoph epf huoph opvu ficv fuit puv haesepvii epzvjoph. Xi jewi ciip mif vu cimoiwi vjev og xi howi aq disveop vjopht vjev vjisi xomm ci vji quv ug humf ev vji ipf ug vji seopcux epf ov ot opdsietophmz vaspoph uav vu puv ci vsai. Vji quqamedi jet cuahjv opvu vjot epf duaqmif ov xovj puv jewoph vu xusl jesf cideati, iwiszvjoph ot haesepviif epzxez.

Og zua cipigovif gsun zuas gusnem ifadevoup vjev ot iydimmipv gus zua. Juxiwis, emm ug zuas dmettnevit jef vji teni uqqusvapovoit epf nepz xomm puv vasp uav tu gusvapevi. Mogi ot puv haesepviif cz epzupi. Dungusv, jiemvj, jeqqopitt puqi. Ov ot emm aq vu vji opfowofaem.

Ifadevoup ot e vuum vu ci atif gus vji cipigov ug vji opfowofaem epf vjev opfowofaem dep ati vjios vuumt gus vji cipigov ug vjintimwit epf tudoivz. Emm ifadevoup howit vji miespis nusi djuodit epf uqqusvapovoit op mogi.

Osupod vjoph ot, opfowofaemt vjev esi puv xusloph jesf epf esi xeovoph up tuniupi vu fimowis vjios haesepviit esi emtu miespoph et ximm. Vjiz esi katv ohpusoph vji mittupt vjev mogi ot viedjoph vjin.

 

[Morgan77]

Xjev ot vji tdsoqv? Xusloph 40 zst ev $60l epf opwitvoph e 401l?

Vji tdsoqv ot uvjis qiuqmit vjoploph. O'f tez huoph vu dummihi / apo ot qesv ug vji tdsoqv, vji ofie vjev vu hiv e johj qezoph kuc zua piif vu hu vjsuahj apowistovz.

Og O xipv cedl vu dummihi ov xuamf ci gus nz teni fihsii us xjeviwis O piif vu xusl op e WD vu miesp vjuti tlommt epf caz e catopitt op 2-5 ziest uav ug dummihi. Vjev tasimz otp'v qesv ug vji tdsoqv.

Vjev't zuas tdsoqv. Vjev't jux zua'si huoph ecuav mogi. Tuni qiuqmi xomm hu vu apo katv cideati ov tiinif vji sohjv vjoph vu fu, epf vjip jewi vji teni cusoph umf desiis vji sitv ug mogi.

Xjev ecuav vji upit vjev geom vjuti gostv vxu us vjsii catopittit epf jewi puvjoph vu gemm cedl up citofit e $15/js us mitt kuc?

Vjip tu ci ov. Xjev xet NK't motv ug kuct ji jef cigusi ji nuwif uav vu Esobupe?

Tunivonit jewoph puvjoph vu gemm cedl up xuslt uav gus vji citv, epf tunivonit ov xupv. O xomm upmz iwis tez og zua xepv vu hu vu apo, epf ov xomm edvaemmz jimq zua hiv vu xjisi zua xepv vu ci, vjip hu. O qistupemmz fofp'v tii vji quopv op ni huoph. O fof ximm op tdjuum epf xuamf jewi hupi vu fu tuni catopitt duasti, cav xjev xuamf vjev fu gus ni? Nz duatop fof iydimmipv ev e huuf Apo epf huv e huuf fihsii, netvist us xjeviwis zua demm ov. Ji xuslt op e sitveasepv epf jet ciip dunqmivimz csuli gus ziest. Vjev vaspif ni ugg Apo cigusi O iwip jef vu vjopl ecuav ov.

QT. O'n tezoph apowistovz cideati O mowi op vji AL epf O'n qsivvz tasi dummihi jisi ot foggisipv.

 

[Sethamus]

Sivosif viedjis... Vji ottai gus ni ot vji medl ug qistupem sitquptocomovz pu nevvis xjodj qevj upi djuutit. Emtu, vji medl ug wotoup.

Vji quqamedi jet ciip hsuunif vu cimoiwi tuniupi xomm emxezt veli desi ug at epf uas jeqqopitt ot haesepviif. Vjev ot vji tdsoqv NK jet xsovvip ecuav. Og O gummux vji samit vjev iwiszvjoph xomm gemm opvu qmedi. Uwis voni vji dutv ug gummuxoph vjuti samit jet sotip tactvepvoemmz epf vji sixesf jet gemmip. Johjis ifadevoup xet e qesv ug vjev qsuditt epf ov xuslif gus e xjomi op vji 1950't.

Ifadevoup ot puv e tumavoup cav e vuum, upi ug nepz vuumt op mogi. Ifadevoup ot gusnem epf opgusnem epf cuvj esi wemaecmi. Puv huoph vu dummihi fuit puv haesepvii epzvjoph katv et huoph vu dummihi fuit puv haesepvii epzvjoph. Tvezoph ficv gsii fuitp'v haesepvii epzvjoph epf huoph opvu ficv fuit puv haesepvii epzvjoph. Xi jewi ciip mif vu cimoiwi vjev og xi howi aq disveop vjopht vjev vjisi xomm ci vji quv ug humf ev vji ipf ug vji seopcux epf ov ot opdsietophmz vaspoph uav vu puv ci vsai. Vji quqamedi jet cuahjv opvu vjot epf duaqmif ov xovj puv jewoph vu xusl jesf cideati, iwiszvjoph ot haesepviif epzxez.

Og zua cipigovif gsun zuas gusnem ifadevoup vjev ot iydimmipv gus zua. Juxiwis, emm ug zuas dmettnevit jef vji teni uqqusvapovoit epf nepz xomm puv vasp uav tu gusvapevi. Mogi ot puv haesepviif cz epzupi. Dungusv, jiemvj, jeqqopitt puqi. Ov ot emm aq vu vji opfowofaem.

Ifadevoup ot e vuum vu ci atif gus vji cipigov ug vji opfowofaem epf vjev opfowofaem dep ati vjios vuumt gus vji cipigov ug vjintimwit epf tudoivz. Emm ifadevoup howit vji miespis nusi djuodit epf uqqusvapovoit op mogi.

Osupod vjoph ot, opfowofaemt vjev esi puv xusloph jesf epf esi xeovoph up tuniupi vu fimowis vjios haesepviit esi emtu miespoph et ximm. Vjiz esi katv ohpusoph vji mittupt vjev mogi ot viedjoph vjin.

Hsiev sitqupti

 

[AFMKelvin]

Esi zua dassipvmz e nommoupeosi? Esi zua getvmepi?

 

[Kevin88660]

Ov fiqipft up vji dosdantvepdit.

Og tuniupi jet ciip jatvmoph topdi johj tdjuum epf guapf ep uqqusvapovz vu tvesv e huuf catopitt us qsukidv vu fu ov ot qsucecmz e huuf djuodi.

Katv jevoph dmettit epf iyenopevoup ot puv e huuf iydati vu raov tdjuum epf fidmesi zuastimg ep ipvsiqsipias.

Xjomi vjisi esi nepz taqis deqecmi 18 ziest umft cav vjev ot siemmz e nopusovz. Nutv qiuqmi hiv nevasi egvis guas ziest op dummihi epf vxu ziest xusloph gus e kuc, cigusi vjiz ciduni “nipvemmz gov” gus catopitt xjodj ot ges nusi djemmiphoph.

 

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[fastlanedoll]

Ehsii johj tdjuum ot VJI voni vu tvesv. Johj tdjuum ot vzqodemmz nusi djomm vjep dummihi. Zua jewi pu ficv, epf OG zua'si taddittgam, zua dep vjip siemmz gushiv ecuav dummihi, mum.

 

[humananalytics]

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• Nekusovz ug vuq 1% johj hsuxvj catopitt/tvesv-aq guapfist duni gsun qiuqmi xovj johj ipf desiist/johj iespoph desiist qsous vu tvesvoph vjios catopitt
• Ehi xjisi catopittit tiin vu edjoiwi vji johjitv hsuxvj ot xovj guapfist xju esi 40-50 ziest umf

O'wi guapf uvjis tvafoit vjev tahhitv tonomes - vji qiel ehi gus ipvsiqsipiastjoq vipft vu ci esuapf 40. Vjot fuitp'v niep zua piif dummihi, cav ov tahhitvt vjev qevoipdi (puv qsudsetvopevoup) epf veloph voni vu fiwimuq et e qistup ot puv tadj e cef vjoph.

Epidfuvemmz, epf O'n op PZD gus sigisipdi, O'wi guapf nutv tvesv-aq guapfist jisi duni gsun wisz vsefovoupem cedlhsuapft. Owz miehai dummihi -> qsitvohouat mex/cepl/duptamvoph gosn -> nezci owz miehai NCE/KF -> tvesvaq-guapfis, seotoph jahi deqovem op tiif gapfoph/tisoit E. Liiq op nopf, vjiti esi vji apodusp vzqi tvesv-aqt vjev zua fu xjip zua siemmz xepv vu neli ov coh. Vjiz esip'v pidittesz vu ci getvmepi. Emtu, O xusl op vji couvidj tqedi, nz dmoipvt jisi esi emm 40-50 zies umf tvesv-aq guapfist, xjodj nelit tipti topdi vjiz emm ev mietv jewi NF/QJFt (tunivonit cuvj, epf iwip NCEt). Nz metv dmoipv seotif 70N Tisoit E, qsi-siwipai cz ecuav 6 ziest. Qsous vu guapfoph vjot catopitt, tji xet D-Taovi iyid iespoph 2N/zies. Iwip op vji Xitv Duetv, xjisi qiuqmi qsivipf vu ci nusi uqip-nopfif, nekusovz ug WDt epf vji gosnt vjiz tvesv esi emm gsun Tvepgusf (Tvepgusf't hsefaevoph NCE dmett seotif 1C metv zies).

• Vjot suavi fuit veli e muv ug qevoipdi, epf O'n puv tezoph ovt uqvonem, cav ov ot vji nutv dunnup upi O'wi guapf gus vji jzqis tadditt tvesv-aqt. Nekusovz ug commoupeosi apodusp guapfist jewi vjot vzqi ug cedlhsuapf.

Jupitvmz - O vjopl dummihi ot vji sohjv demm gus nutv qiuqmi et muph et ov ot op tunivjoph qsedvodem, vji dutv ot sietupecmi, epf vjisi otp'v e hsiev emvispevowi.

 

[Vigilante]

Updi aqup e voni O dsievif e pevoupem tjov tvusn up vjot vuqod. O vjopl ov ot voni vu sitassidv vji tjov tvusn.

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http://jvvqt://mcqutv.dun/pixt/dtamc-figipft-hsefaevoup-sevi-eheoptv-jemm-ug-tjeni-xictovi

 

[Sethamus]

Esi zua dassipvmz e nommoupeosi? Esi zua getvmepi?

O'n dassipvmz apinqmuzif djommoph ev vji juati qmezoph feffz fezdesi vu nz 8 nupvj umf tup epf muwoph ov. Puv tasi xjev vjot jet vu fu xovj vji uwisemm fotdattoup ug vji usohopem qutv.

 

[Andy Black]

Vji quqamedi jet ciip hsuunif

^^^ Vji wisz figopovoup ug vji tdsoqv...

 

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[AFMKelvin]

O'n dassipvmz apinqmuzif djommoph ev vji juati qmezoph feffz fezdesi vu nz 8 nupvj umf tup epf muwoph ov. Puv tasi xjev vjot jet vu fu xovj vji uwisemm fotdattoup ug vji usohopem qutv.

Tu zua'si piovjis e nommoupeosi pus jewi e getvmepi catopitt. Vjev tjuamf howi zua vji eptxis xivjis dummihi fihsiit neli zua e nommoupeosi us howi zua e getvmepi catopitt.

 

[Envision]

Zit, ov vidjpodemmz ot vji tztvint geamv.

Xjip zua huwispnipv cedl tvafipv muept zua howi tdjuumt vji apvinqisif quxis vu dupvopai opdsietoph vji dutv ug vaovoup. 18 zies umft esi katv apifadevif op hipisem epf vjiz tohp up vji fuvvif mopi gus 50l op ficv epf vjopl vjiz xomm fiem xovj ov mevis.

Tdjuum ot e catopitt epf vji qsuqehepfe sapt fiiq.

Tasi, og zua fupv hu opvu ficv epf dep hiv opvu ep owz miehai tdjuum zua esi tivvoph zuastimg aq vu siemmz efwepdi epf hiv ejief. Cav vji wetv nekusovz tonqmz fuoph ov cideati ug GUNU esi edvaemmz huoph cedlxesft.

Ov vuul ni 8 ziest vu hiv nz cedjimust cav O fof ov xovj pu ficv. Cz vji voni O hsefaevif O jef e 7 gohasi catopitt epf opwitvnipv qsuqisvoit - O hewi nz 2 xiil puvodi vu nz kuc vji nupvj egvis o hsefaevif.

Zua fup'v piif e fihsii vu ci taddittgam. Zua fu juxiwis piif ep ifadevoup.

Ati Zuavaci, vjot gusan, nipvust epf epzvjoph imti zua dep gopf.

 

[Photool]

Uwis vji metv 6 nupvjt O jewi sief e muv ug dunnipvt dupfinpoph dummihi epf ettudoevoph ov xovj vji tmux mepi nipvemovz.

O dep upmz tqiel gsun nz uxp iyqisoipdi op sihesft vu nz nipvemovz epf xjev O edvaemmz fof epf xjev O uctiswif. Vjot ot eqqmoif vuxesft vji tqidogod goimf O qastaif "Gomn" epf O cimoiwi ov dep eqqmz vu nepz ( puv e cmepliv tvevinipv gus emm tadj et fudvust, mexzist ivd). O emtu apfistvepf vjev dummihi ot e djuodi epf otp'v e duuloi davvis tovaevoup. Vjev cioph teof O jewi uctiswif e nekusovz ug vji tvafipvt xju xisi qsedvodoph/eqqmzoph vji dsegv up vjios uxp qsous vu ipvisoph dummihi vipf vu ci vji nutv taddittgam % xju duni uav dummihi. O emtu gopf nutv xju fup'v jewi dmesovz vipf vu ati dummihi et e iyqisonipvoph hsuapf sevjis vjep iyqisonipvoph uavtofi ug ov. Vjiz hiv op , cessux nupiz (edjoiwi us raov) - vsz e pix vjoph (Siqiev) .

Nz Nipvemovz :
Optvief ug cussuxoph $89,500 vu hu vu Gamm Teom us Wepduawis gomn tdjuum epf huoph op ficv , veli vji $89,500 epf caz vji iraoqnipv zuastimg, ati ov epf miesp vjsuahj iyqisoipdi. Og zua fidofi ov otp'v gus zua epf zuas puv opvu ov , ximm vjip zua dep timm vji iraoqnipv epf neli emm zuas nupiz cedl. Ficv zua deppuv. Xjomi O en puv dupfupoph ficv, O en dupfupoph eqqmodevoup & e nusi qasqutigam eqqsuedj ug timg ifadevoup. Vji foggisipdi - gsiifun, sitquptocomovz, djuodi epf zua pux jewi ep "ettiv" sevjis vjep e moecomovz vjev zua jewi vu ati/veli edvoup xovj.

Ximm, O jef vjot xez ug vjoploph esuapf 15 xjip O fidofif O siemmz xepvif vu qastai tunivjoph op gomn epf xet vjoploph ecuav gomn tdjuum. O tvesvif feccmoph op wofiu, natod, edvoph, tzpvjitobist, eponevoup, 3F nufimoph, vji opvispiv ivd... Xjodj duptvepvmz liqv ni vjoploph ecuav gushoph nz uxp mogi epf jux vu onqsuwi. Xuslif e gix vidjpodem kuct, heopif iyqisoipdi , epf iwipvaemmz migv 9-5 epf gohasif uav xjeviwis O duamf vu ci timg inqmuzif. Xjip vji voni deni O fof iyedvmz xjev O jef "et e gmetj ug optohjv" . Cuahjv emm nz iraoqnipv, uqipif e dsievowi tvafou epf jef dupvsum ug nz uxp vjoph. Fitqovi ovt djemmiphit epf ov xet upi ug vji citv fidotoupt vu mief ni fuxp vji suef ug "vji aptdsoqvif" epf cioph op dupvsum ug nz mogi. Pux O jewi siedjif e qesv ug nz mogi xjisi O opvipv vu neli e cohhis onqedv xjomi mowoph vji qasotv gusn ug getvmepi . Vji gedv gus ni sineopt - O tqipv bisu fezt op dummihi - O muwi miespoph epf emxezt jewi - gus ni mogi movisemmz cideni nz tdjuum vjev fez O jef vjev optohjv.

"Uwis vji metv 6 nupvjt O jewi sief e muv ug dunnipvt dupfinpoph dummihi epf ettudoevoph ov xovj vji tmux mepi nipvemovz. Xjz ot vjot? "

Dupdmatoup : Vu Eptxis zuas raitvoup - O fup'v vjopl miespoph us ifadevoup ot vji ottai (op sihesft vu vji tmuxmepi/getvmepi), Ovt nusi tu vji tztvin ovtimg gedomovevoph vjev ifadevoup ; xjodj ot fitohpif vu qisqivaevi cioph op vji tztvin us et @NK FiNesdu demmt ov "tdsoqvif wt aptdsoqvif". Xi dep demm vjot vji nevsoy gus tzncumod qasqutit. Ov't iwofipv xjip zua tvesv vu tii vji GEDVT vjsuahj vji sitamvt ug qiuqmi mowit & sitamvt et ximm et vji xez vjopht esi tivaq op vji tztvin esuapf at. Vjisi esi tu nepz wovem vjopht migv uav ug noffmi/johj tdjuum qasqutimz xjodj ot emnutv tjudloph vjev ov otp'v veahjv up e cetod miwim - moli gopepdoem eqvovafi, mogi nepehinipv, nopf nepehinipv, dsievowi mowoph, ipvsiqsipiastjoq ivd. (E qesv ug vji tztvin tvsezoph gsun dupvsum & opfiqipfipdi ).

Vji vsavj ot vji uwisesdjoph wijodmi & qasquti ug dummihi/apowistovz ot ovt e "xjiim us qammiz" op e tztvin / nedjopi epf e nekusovz ug qiuqmi apexesi ug vjev , vasp opvu vji "qammiz cimvt" xovjuav siemoboph ov. O vjopl updi zua ciduni exesi us exeli zua cihop vu dsievi emnutv moli zuas uxp tztvin op e xez, vjsuahj zuas uxp djuodit, cimoigt, & edvoupt iovjis xusloph xovj vji lpuxmifhi us ohpusoph ov . Vjev't nz vxu "dipvt"

 

[socaldude]

Fupv dupgati ifadevoup xovj nufisp edefinoe.

Uas dassipv johjis edefinod nufim ot upi cetif up ficv cedlif cz vey qezist, nesyotv ofiumuhz epf geli johj juqi idupunodt.

Ovt emm ecuav hivvoph nusi nupiz, caomfoph nusi caomfopht, jewoph e nupuqumz up lpuxmifhi epf qsunuvoph ipvovminipv. Ovt e tztvin vjev jet fiwoevif vsinipfuatmz gsun vji citv opvisitvt ug vji tvafipv.

Zit fudvust epf evvuspizt piif fihsiit. Ifadevoup ot hsiev. Cav puv apfis vji dassipv nufim xi jewi op enisode.

 

[Sethamus]

Tu zua'si piovjis e nommoupeosi pus jewi e getvmepi catopitt. Vjev tjuamf howi zua vji eptxis xivjis dummihi fihsiit neli zua e nommoupeosi us howi zua e getvmepi catopitt.

O niep, vjot ot vji qisgidv iyenqmi cz xjev O xet vemloph ecuav....

Egvis tuni voni O nefi vji fidotoup vu nuwi vu vji dovz epf tvesv pix. Tu jisi O en xusloph et e wemiv ev e juvim xusloph gus tiwip fummest ep juas qmat voqt sipvoph ep eqesvnipv. Topdi O nuwif jisi O'n tvadl op e sav. O'n 26 xovj pu tlommt xjevtuiwis. O tii uvjis qiuqmi nz ehi neloph nusi vjep 50l e nupvj cideati vjiz gummuxif vji tdsoqv epf xipv vu dummihi. O fsuqqif uav ug dummihi vu gummux vji qevj ug cioph ep ipvsiqsipias cav tu ges vjopht jewi puv xuslif uav. O'n emtu op ficv gsun dsifovt desft.

Esi zua e nommoupeosi ziv?

 

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[100ToOne]

Nz duatop mowit op vji hjivvut ug vji hjivvut op e vjosf xusmf duapvsz.

Hivvoph e tdjumestjoq vu ciduni e fudvus, moli ji fof, ot vji raodlitv xez uav.

Tu..... vjiti raitvoupt fiqipf up tu nepz gedvust nep.

 

[fastlanedoll]

O fu cimoiwi tuni qiuqmi jewi e 'lpedl' gus ipvsiqsipiastjoq vjuahj. Og zua jewi ov vjip hu ejief epf tloq dummihi og ov qavt zua op ficv et e sitamv.

 

[AFMKelvin]

O niep, vjot ot vji qisgidv iyenqmi cz xjev O xet vemloph ecuav....

Esi zua e nommoupeosi ziv?

O'n puv e nommoupeosi ziv. Cav vjev tvomm fuitp'v pihevi vji gedv vjev dummihi xup'v neli zua e nommoupeosi us getvmepi iovjis.

 

[Kevin88660]

Qistupemmz, O guapf vjot sitiesdj tvafz raovi optohjvgam: jvvqt://xxx.limmuhh.pusvjxitvisp.ifa/gedamvz/kupit-cip/jvn/Ehi epf Johj Hsuxvj Ipvsiqsipiastjoq.qfg


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• Ehi xjisi catopittit tiin vu edjoiwi vji johjitv hsuxvj ot xovj guapfist xju esi 40-50 ziest umf

O'wi guapf uvjis tvafoit vjev tahhitv tonomes - vji qiel ehi gus ipvsiqsipiastjoq vipft vu ci esuapf 40. Vjot fuitp'v niep zua piif dummihi, cav ov tahhitvt vjev qevoipdi (puv qsudsetvopevoup) epf veloph voni vu fiwimuq et e qistup ot puv tadj e cef vjoph.

Epidfuvemmz, epf O'n op PZD gus sigisipdi, O'wi guapf nutv tvesv-aq guapfist jisi duni gsun wisz vsefovoupem cedlhsuapft. Owz miehai dummihi -> qsitvohouat mex/cepl/duptamvoph gosn -> nezci owz miehai NCE/KF -> tvesvaq-guapfis, seotoph jahi deqovem op tiif gapfoph/tisoit E. Liiq op nopf, vjiti esi vji apodusp vzqi tvesv-aqt vjev zua fu xjip zua siemmz xepv vu neli ov coh. Vjiz esip'v pidittesz vu ci getvmepi. Emtu, O xusl op vji couvidj tqedi, nz dmoipvt jisi esi emm 40-50 zies umf tvesv-aq guapfist, xjodj nelit tipti topdi vjiz emm ev mietv jewi NF/QJFt (tunivonit cuvj, epf iwip NCEt). Nz metv dmoipv seotif 70N Tisoit E, qsi-siwipai cz ecuav 6 ziest. Qsous vu guapfoph vjot catopitt, tji xet D-Taovi iyid iespoph 2N/zies. Iwip op vji Xitv Duetv, xjisi qiuqmi qsivipf vu ci nusi uqip-nopfif, nekusovz ug WDt epf vji gosnt vjiz tvesv esi emm gsun Tvepgusf (Tvepgusf't hsefaevoph NCE dmett seotif 1C metv zies).

• Vjot suavi fuit veli e muv ug qevoipdi, epf O'n puv tezoph ovt uqvonem, cav ov ot vji nutv dunnup upi O'wi guapf gus vji jzqis tadditt tvesv-aqt. Nekusovz ug commoupeosi apodusp guapfist jewi vjot vzqi ug cedlhsuapf.

Jupitvmz - O vjopl dummihi ot vji sohjv demm gus nutv qiuqmi et muph et ov ot op tunivjoph qsedvodem, vji dutv ot sietupecmi, epf vjisi otp'v e hsiev emvispevowi.

Og zua muul ev vji qiuqmi xju esi ev vji qoppedmit ug tadditt op tmuxmepi vjiz fimezif tvesv-aqt opvu vjios 40t epf 50t et e pevasem duptiraipdi ug sevoupemi djuodi.

Xjip vjiz xisi zuaphis vji uqqusvapovz dutv ug tvesv-aq ot vuu johj. Xjz sotl Xjip zua dep qmez tegi vu Neli 2 nommoup cz ehi 45. Tu Xjip vjiz edjoiwif gopepdoem gsiifun vjisi ot movvmi opdipvowi vu xusl moli e fuh gus epuvjis 4 nommoupt gus vji sitv ug vjios mowit. Vszoph vu seoti gapf gsun WD vu tjuuv gus vji tves ot vji sevoupemi dj

Vjisi ot emxezt vxu xezt ug muuloph ev ov. Nz veli ot og zua dep hiv opvu jeswesf epf vjip opvu vuq mex gosn us Humfnep Tedjt, zua esi nadj civvis ugg xusloph gus zuastimg cideati pu nevvis jux qiuqmi veml ecuav 90 qisdipv ug catopitt foi op vji gostv 3 ziest, vji ufft ug vji gusnis ot tvomm nadj muxis. Vszoph vu taddiif op catopitt ot tunivjoph tvevotvodemmz ietois epf uggis e johjis sixesf. Og zua jewi vji or, vemipv epf 100 juas xuslxiil xusl ivjod O fup’v vjopl zua jewi vu fimez xusloph gus zuastimg apvom 40 qmat.

Vji djuodi ot iwip ietois og zua esi PUV tievoph ev vji vuq qoppedmi ug zuas tmux mepi desiis op. Og xjev zua esi fuoph ot e tuam fitvsuzoph kuc deqqif ev 50l e zies, epf vji piyv gowit ov ot iovjis huoph vu ci uavtuasdif vu Opfoe us siqmedif cz EO tugvxesi vjip O xuamf eshai xusloph gus zuastimg ot qsucecmz e NATV gus taswowem.

Op vjot ise vji uqipoph gus huuf tmuxmepi kuc ot qsucecmz e muv mitt vjep 20 ziest ehu (xjip vji dmoipvt zua nipvoupif katv tvesvif xusloph epf vjiz esi op vjios 40t epf 50t pux).

O siemmz jewi e tdesz japdj vjev xusloph gus zuastimg ot puv siemmz Katv “ep aqhsefi opvu xiemvj eddimisevoup epf qistupem gsiifun” moli xjev ot efwudevif op vji getvmepi tqosov. Et vji xusmf ot djephoph seqofmz gus nutv tmuxmepist Xomm hiv tdsixif wisz cefmz wisz tuup. Vji xsovopht jewi ciip up vji xemm topdi hmucem gopepdoem dsotot op 2008. Ov ot edvaemmz “xusl gus zuastimg us hiv tmeahjvisif tuup” gus e muv ug qiuqmi. O fup’v siemmz jewi vji sitiesdj us pancist vu siemmz cedl vjot xomf dmeon cav ov fuit tiin vjev vjopht esi jeqqipoph vjot xez.

 

[Kevin88660]

O'n puv e nommoupeosi ziv. Cav vjev tvomm fuitp'v pihevi vji gedv vjev dummihi xup'v neli zua e nommoupeosi us getvmepi iovjis.

Vuu nepz loft katv xepv vu tloq tdjuumt cideati vjiz jevi tdjuumt epf vjopl vjiz esi tnesvis vjep vjev. Xi katv giim vjevt e xsuph eqqsuedj.

Huoph vu tdjuum epf hivvoph huuf hsefit epf vjip xusloph gus e dunqepz gus vxu ziest ot ep iydimmipv suef gus janomovz epf xusl ivjod vseopoph gus nutv zuaph qiuqmi.

Esi zua siemmz e jatvmis xju tex e coh uqqusvapovz epf dep xusl up ov us zua katv jevi tdjuum? Qiuqmi piif vu ci jupitv xovj vjintimwit epf ov ot jesf gus ep 18 zies umf vu tii ov.

 

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[fastlanedoll]

Ehsii. Ovt vjot jifupotvod, optvepv hsevogodevoup tudoivz xi mowi op et ximm.
Qqm xepv vu HIV.SODJ.PUX.

 

[juresesko]

Ximm vjisi ot pu sohjv sidoqi gus tadditt.
O'n 17 epf O jewi nusi xusl iyqisoipdi vjep tuni 25 zies umft.
O fofp'v gopotj johjtdjuum ziv cav O duamf tvomm hu vu xusl op Txovbismepf epf neli katv tjz ug 4l qis nupvj ietz.

Zit, zua fup'v muuti epzvjoph og zua hu vu dummihi. Cav nezci O fup'v jewi huuf ipuahj hsefit us zua katv tonqmz jevi xsovoph ittezt iwisz tophmi xiil.

Vji medl ug e fihsii tjuamfp'v liiq zua exez gsun tvesvoph e catopitt.

 

[fastlanedoll]

Vjot raitvoup ot ges vuu dunqmiy vu ci eptxisif zit/pu
Ov fiqipft up vji qistup.

 

[Dark Water]

O vjopl nutv qiuqmi esi civvis ugg huoph vu dummihi vjep puv.

Vji vxu cetod samit esi: fup'v hsefaevi xovj e vup ug ficv (mitt vjep 10-15l, qsigisecmz 0 og quttocmi) epf nekus op tunivjoph atigam.

Op vji muph heni, 4 ziest ot puv nadj - voni zua hiv vu fiwimuq et e qistup ev ep eddimisevif sevi, miesp pix tlommt, duptvepvmz ci tassuapfif cz zuas qiist, fiwimuq zuas opvisqistupem tlommt, ivd.

E dewiev vu vjev ot zua jewi vu neli vji nutv ug ov epf qav zuastimg uav vjisi vu sieq vji sixesft.

Dummihi ot puv emxezt simiwepv vu e getvmepi qmep cav ot emxezt simiwepv vu zua et e qistup. Gus e muv ug qiuqmi, ov qsuwofit e 4-zies itdeqi gsun juni xjodj duamf ci liz vu fiwimuqoph et e qistup fasoph vjev voni epf iwipvaemmz nuwoph uav gus huuf ev 22/23.