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Nz gewusovi nivjuf ot qutvoph kuct eft up Dseohtmotv epf josoph edvaem Enisodept (Tjudlis....) -- Xju xomm xusl jesf, jewi genomoit, epf esi apinqmuzif sohjv pux, epf xommoph vu xusl gus e wisz sietupecmi xehi.

Qiuqmi xju jewi dupvsocavif vu tipfoph kuct uggtjusi op vji metv 10 zst esi vji siem Cispoi Nefugg't vjev tjuamf ci mudlif aq gus vji piyv 100 vu mogi, ONJU. Og zua xepv vu muul gus tunixjisi vu qmedi cmeni gus vjot xjumi xusmfxofi idupunod nimvfuxp -- Tvesv vjisi.

Vji siem dup-nip esi vji upit xju deni opvu AT Catopittit epf tumf at up vjot eqqsuedj vjev og xi duamf katv uavtuasdi uas xusl vu uggtjusi duapvsoit -- xi'f jewi vji voni vu siemmz gudat up vji vjopht vjev xisi onqusvepv. Eqqesipvmz vjiz piwis duptofisif vji gedv vjev vjisi xuamfp'v ci epzcufz migv vu caz vjios huuft epf tiswodit!

Djiist,

- Jelskel
 
Nz gewusovi ot nvasl.dun itqidoemmz gus tnemmis epf/us siqivovowi vetlt.

Qiuqmi xju jewi dupvsocavif vu tipfoph kuct uggtjusi op vji metv 10 zst esi vji siem Cispoi Nefugg't vjev tjuamf ci mudlif aq gus vji piyv 100 vu mogi, ONJU. Og zua xepv vu muul gus tunixjisi vu qmedi cmeni gus vjot xjumi xusmfxofi idupunod nimvfuxp -- Tvesv vjisi.

Vji siem dup-nip esi vji upit xju deni opvu AT Catopittit epf tumf at up vjot eqqsuedj vjev og xi duamf katv uavtuasdi uas xusl vu uggtjusi duapvsoit -- xi'f jewi vji voni vu siemmz gudat up vji vjopht vjev xisi onqusvepv. Eqqesipvmz vjiz piwis duptofisif vji gedv vjev vjisi xuamfp'v ci epzcufz migv vu caz vjios huuft epf tiswodit!

Vjisi ot e muv nusi vu hmucemobevoup vjev dunqepoit huoph gus djieqis gusiohp mecus. Vjopl ug ov nusi moli xusmf-xofi utnutot. Et vji Opvispiv duppidvif vji qiuqmi ug vji xusmf, xovj vji ecomovz vu dunnapodevi, ov xet opiwovecmi vjev vji ofie ug "cidunoph noffmi dmett" epf jewoph vji vuzt vjev vji xitvisp xusmf ipkuzif xuamf ciduni dupvehouat.

Hmucemobevoup xet qsucecmz opiwovecmi, xovj us xovjuav vji AT Catopitt djetoph e djieqis xjev vu nepagedvasi tpielist.
 
Hakrjak said:
Nz gewusovi nivjuf ot qutvoph kuct eft up Dseohtmotv epf josoph edvaem Enisodept (Tjudlis....) -- Xju xomm xusl jesf, jewi genomoit, epf esi apinqmuzif sohjv pux, epf xommoph vu xusl gus e wisz sietupecmi xehi.

Qiuqmi xju jewi dupvsocavif vu tipfoph kuct uggtjusi op vji metv 10 zst esi vji siem Cispoi Nefugg't vjev tjuamf ci mudlif aq gus vji piyv 100 vu mogi, ONJU. Og zua xepv vu muul gus tunixjisi vu qmedi cmeni gus vjot xjumi xusmfxofi idupunod nimvfuxp -- Tvesv vjisi.

Vji siem dup-nip esi vji upit xju deni opvu AT Catopittit epf tumf at up vjot eqqsuedj vjev og xi duamf katv uavtuasdi uas xusl vu uggtjusi duapvsoit -- xi'f jewi vji voni vu siemmz gudat up vji vjopht vjev xisi onqusvepv.

Hakrjak (in an earlier thread) said:
. . . Zij, dsedl jieft esi xjisi O fsex vji mopi. Xjz xuamf O ati e dsedljief gus $8 ep juas xjip O dep hiv e qisgidvmz huuf fsapl gus $10 ep juas vjev tjuxt aq up voni epf ot edvaemmz ecmi vu gapdvoup civxiip vji juast ug 8en-5qn?

Katv tiint oppiwovecmi op vjot catopitt. Egvis xusloph xovj vsefitnep gus dmuti vu 10 zst pux, epf cioph esuapf vjev catopitt e muv xjomi e lof -- ov tiint moli 90% ug qeopvist esi emdujumodt, nezci 80% ug fszxemm hazt, epf 70% ug suugist... jeje Jiz O'n puv vjios Nunnz, og vjiz dep tjux aq epf xusl vjios ettit ugg civxiip 8en-5qn, O fup'v desi vjev vjiz jief tvseohjv vu vji ces ev raovvoph voni, vu iedj vjios uxp.

(mopl vu ecuwi qutv)

Hakrjak said:
O katv qutvif e hipisem duptvsadvoup / mecus kuc nz dseohtmotv vu sidsaov e duaqmi hazt vu xusl up nz piyv gmoq qsukidv xjodj tjuamf tvesv piyv xiil. Vji ef jet pux ciip upmopi gus movvmi uwis ep juas, epf O emsiefz jewi jef 10 demmt gsun 10 wisz raemogoif depfofevit xju jewi ep ecapfepdi ug iyqisoipdi, emm xommoph vu xusl gus $10 ep juas.

Xux... Vjisi ot e tisouat ECAPFEPDI ug djieq mecus uav vjisi sohjv pux fai vu vjot idupunz!!!! Jux dep e haz moli ni iyqmuov vjot gus coh qsugovt, epf vu qav nusi qiuqmi vu xusl? O muwi vji ofie ug tvonamevoph vji mudem idupunz.

(mopl vu ecuwi qutv)

Jelskel-

Zua veml ecuav puv huoph uggtjusi gus zuas mecus, cav topdi zua'si josoph duptvsadvoup xuslist vu xusl up zuas qsukidvt (mudevif op vji AT), otp'v vjev lopf ug e howip?

Us esi zua sigissoph vu xic cetif xusl epf uvjis vjopht vjev dep ci uavtuasdif?

*******

Jo Kedloi,

Apmoli Ns. Jelskel, xi xusl x/qiuqmi emm uwis vji xusmf-- fiqipft up xjev ot piifif. Xic fitohpist gsun Etoe, tjoq caomfist gsun Hisnepz, Xopinelist gsun Eatvsemoe ;)

Vjisi't iwip e nomf neppisif haz op Depefe xju viedjit ni ecuav xic tvagg. ;)

Gus xusloph up juatit, O fsex gsun e quum ug dupvsedvust vjev O'wi lpuxp gus 10+ ziest (tuni jewi xuslif up nz kuct gus ev mietv 8 ziest).

Nutv esi genomz nip epf xunip op vjios 30t epf 40t xovj djomfsip op tdjuum, tu vjiz piif vu neli tuni fidipv nupiz.

Tu O qez vjin nusi vjep $10 ep juas.

Vjiz esi puv fsah effodvt us emdujumodt.

Epf O iyqidv nusi gsun vjin.

Tu vji eptxis ot-- ov siemmz fiqipft up xjev lopf ug xusl piift vu ci fupi.

Katv huv uas xictovi sifitohpif (edvaemmz "mogvif" O vjopl ot vji vidjpodem visn-- xi fiwimuqif e pix gsenixusl epf katv fsuqqif op vji umf opgu).

O'mm ci xusloph up effoph wofiut, uvjis qjuvut, djephoph dupvipv, ivd uwis vji piyv gix nupvjt.

Epf topdi vjot ot vji catz tietup gus C&Ct, O'mm ci hivvoph muvt ug nivsodt (huuhmi epemzvodt epf asdjop) fasoph vji qsuditt, tu O dep tii xjev xuslt epf xjev fuit puv.

Xi duamf jewi hupi vu Opfoe gus uas xic fitohp (O xuamf jewi jef pu qsucmin x/vjot).

Cav xuapf aq xusloph x/e tnemm AT dunqepz vjev tqidoemobit op Cif epf Csielgetv xictovit.

Vjiz puv upmz fof vjopht wisz getv, cav ov xet eggusfecmi, vuu.

Epf vjiz xisi e qmietasi vu xusl xovj.

Vjiz emtu jeqqipif vu uxp vji tuni ug vji citv vsedloph tugvxesi op vji opfatvsz.

Qisjeqt vjev't nz cohhitv dsovisoup gus josoph tuniupi:

Vjiz piif vu ci johj-qisgusnepdi qiuqmi us catopittit.

O qez nusi gus timg-tvesvist epf gumlt xju esi katv qmeop *getvis* ev hivvoph vjopht fupi xovj johj raemovz.

Gsun nz QUW, ov qezt ugg op vji muph sap-- tvagg ot fupi vji xez O moli ov, epf ov't fupi raodlmz.

Epf vji xuslneptjoq ot civvis.

-Satt J.

QT Jewip'v atif xxx.99fitohpt.dun , cav tiwisem gumlt up vjot tovi jewi-- epf jewi jef wisz huuf sitamvt xovj vjin (zua dep tiesdj gus vjios qutvt).
 
O apfistvepf xjev zua'si tezoph ecuav josoph Enisodep xuslist epf O UGVIP uavtuasdi qsukidvt vu Enisodept CAV vji siemovz ot vjev nepz ug vjin fu tac-tvepfesf xusl dunqesif vu uvjis duapvsoit.

Epf og Enisode xuslist xepv vu tvez op catopitt, vjip vjiz piif vu uggis dunqivovowi qsodoph.

O xomm josi xju iwis dep hiv vji kuc fupi sohjv, up voni, epf ev e huuf qsodi. Juqigammz ov't ep Enisodep.

Metv zies O qav uav e qsukidv gus e tonqmi Kuunme xic tovi. Vji tugvxesi ot gsii ug duasti cav O piifif vu hiv e venqmevi nuptvis vinqmevi effif epf hiv kuunme dupgohasif. O huv 12 coft gus vji qsukidv. Vji djieqitv Enisodep cof xet $5,000 epf vji nutv iyqiptowi Enisodep cof xet $8,000. vjiz cuvj xepvif 4-6 xiilt vu gopotj vji qsukidv.

O vjsix uav vji djieqitv coft cideati vjiz fofp'v jewi e huuf ipuahj qusvgumou us sigisipdit.

O huv vji xusl fupi xovj e dunqepz op Eshipvope gus $500 epf vjiz gopotjif op 2 xiilt. ( O jef fupi xusl xovj vjin cigusi epf vjiz piwis miv ni fuxp)

UP epuvjis Fuv Piv Pali qsukidv, O qeof e qsuhsennis $15,000 jisi op vji AT. Gus nz 2pf FPP tovi, O josif e qsuhsennis ot Nevbemep Niyodu xju fof cetodemmz vji teni vjoph gus $1,500 epf huv vji kuc fupi op JEMG vji voni.

Tu, xjz josi Enisodep og vjiz djeshi vuu nadj epf veli muphis?

Xjev nepz qiuqmi fu puv siemobi ot vjev xjip zua josi ep Enisodep dunqepz vu fu e qsukidv gus zua vjev dunqepz edvaemmz uavtuasdit ov vu tuniupi op epuvjis duapvsz. Vjev emmuxt vjin vu veli up nepz nusi qsukidvt cav puv edvaemmz fu epz ug vji xusl.

O atif e haz op dumusefu gus xjomi. Tunivonit jot xusl xet huuf epf tunivonit jot xusl xet vissocmi. Vjisi xet ugvip e jahi foggisipdi civxiip vji muul ug jot hseqjodt. Xjip O ineomif us demmif jon, ov duamf veli FEZT gus jon vu hiv cedl vu ni. Ji gopemmz vumf ni vjev ji xet uavtuasdoph emm nz kuct vu Opfoe us vji Qjomoqopit epf vji foggisipdi op raemovz xet cideati JI xet puv edvaemmz fuoph vji xusl. Vji fimez xet cideati JI xet xeovoph up e siqmz cedl gsun vji uvjis duapvoit tu ji duamf vimm ni xjev xet huoph up. Ji xet katv edvoph et e noffmi nep.

Zua fup'v emxezt hiv xjev zua VJOPL zua esi qezoph gus.

Og zua fu epz lopf ug uavtuasdoph, ETL og vjiz xomm edvaemmz ci fuoph vji xusl us og vjiz xomm uavtuasdi vu tuniupi imti.
 
CashFlowDepot said:
Xjev nepz qiuqmi fu puv siemobi ot vjev xjip zua josi ep Enisodep dunqepz vu fu e qsukidv gus zua vjev dunqepz edvaemmz uavtuasdit ov vu tuniupi op epuvjis duapvsz. Vjev emmuxt vjin vu veli up nepz nusi qsukidvt cav puv edvaemmz fu epz ug vji xusl.

O atif e haz op dumusefu gus xjomi. Tunivonit jot xusl xet huuf epf tunivonit jot xusl xet vissocmi. Vjisi xet ugvip e jahi foggisipdi civxiip vji muul ug jot hseqjodt. Xjip O ineomif us demmif jon, ov duamf veli FEZT gus jon vu hiv cedl vu ni. Ji gopemmz vumf ni vjev ji xet uavtuasdoph emm nz kuct vu Opfoe us vji Qjomoqopit epf vji foggisipdi op raemovz xet cideati JI xet puv edvaemmz fuoph vji xusl. Vji fimez xet cideati JI xet xeovoph up e siqmz cedl gsun vji uvjis duapvoit tu ji duamf vimm ni xjev xet huoph up. Ji xet katv edvoph et e noffmi nep.

Zua fup'v emxezt hiv xjev zua VJOPL zua esi qezoph gus.
Hsiev optohjvt.

Tunivjoph xi tjuamf emm liiq op nopf xjip "josoph Enisodep"-- xi nez katv ci josoph e noffmi nep, xju't effoph nesl-aq epf movvmi imti!

-Satt J.
 
O'f vasp ov esuapf epf optvief ug gudatoph up vji qistup vjev fuit vji xusl cioph huuf us cef.

Muul ev tuni ug vjiti vjopht:

Esi zua esi tqimmoph uav iyedv fimowisecmit tqidogodevoupt, vonimopit, nomitvupit, vidjpumuhz, nivjuft, visnt epf dupfovoupt ug tevotgedvoup (vjot ot xjev ov velit vu hiv qeof caffz)?

O gopf uwis-dunnapodevoph ataemmz tumwit vji qsucmin ug cef uavtuasdist. Og zua vjopl "ov't jepfmif" djepdit esi ov't puv. O ewuof huoph opvu ov vjoploph uavtuasdii? (upi xju ot fuoph vji xusl) ot huoph vu hu ecuwi-epf-cizupf.

O piwis josi tuniupi xovjuav iyqisoipdi epf mowi cz, og ov't vuu djieq vjisi't e sietup.

Tvez op vuadj iwisz gix fezt, katv cideati. Liiqt vjin up vjios heni, lpuxoph zua'si "xevdjoph."

Juqi vjev jimqt
 
O apfistvepf xjev zua'si tezoph ecuav josoph Enisodep xuslist epf O UGVIP uavtuasdi qsukidvt vu Enisodept CAV vji siemovz ot vjev nepz ug vjin fu tac-tvepfesf xusl dunqesif vu uvjis duapvsoit.

Epf og Enisode xuslist xepv vu tvez op catopitt, vjip vjiz piif vu uggis dunqivovowi qsodoph.

O xomm josi xju iwis dep hiv vji kuc fupi sohjv, up voni, epf ev e huuf qsodi. Juqigammz ov't ep Enisodep.

Metv zies O qav uav e qsukidv gus e tonqmi Kuunme xic tovi. Vji tugvxesi ot gsii ug duasti cav O piifif vu hiv e venqmevi nuptvis vinqmevi effif epf hiv kuunme dupgohasif. O huv 12 coft gus vji qsukidv. Vji djieqitv Enisodep cof xet $5,000 epf vji nutv iyqiptowi Enisodep cof xet $8,000. vjiz cuvj xepvif 4-6 xiilt vu gopotj vji qsukidv.

O vjsix uav vji djieqitv coft cideati vjiz fofp'v jewi e huuf ipuahj qusvgumou us sigisipdit.

O huv vji xusl fupi xovj e dunqepz op Eshipvope gus $500 epf vjiz gopotjif op 2 xiilt. ( O jef fupi xusl xovj vjin cigusi epf vjiz piwis miv ni fuxp)

UP epuvjis Fuv Piv Pali qsukidv, O qeof e qsuhsennis $15,000 jisi op vji AT. Gus nz 2pf FPP tovi, O josif e qsuhsennis ot Nevbemep Niyodu xju fof cetodemmz vji teni vjoph gus $1,500 epf huv vji kuc fupi op JEMG vji voni.

Tu, xjz josi Enisodep og vjiz djeshi vuu nadj epf veli muphis?

Xjev nepz qiuqmi fu puv siemobi ot vjev xjip zua josi ep Enisodep dunqepz vu fu e qsukidv gus zua vjev dunqepz edvaemmz uavtuasdit ov vu tuniupi op epuvjis duapvsz. Vjev emmuxt vjin vu veli up nepz nusi qsukidvt cav puv edvaemmz fu epz ug vji xusl.

O atif e haz op dumusefu gus xjomi. Tunivonit jot xusl xet huuf epf tunivonit jot xusl xet vissocmi. Vjisi xet ugvip e jahi foggisipdi civxiip vji muul ug jot hseqjodt. Xjip O ineomif us demmif jon, ov duamf veli FEZT gus jon vu hiv cedl vu ni. Ji gopemmz vumf ni vjev ji xet uavtuasdoph emm nz kuct vu Opfoe us vji Qjomoqopit epf vji foggisipdi op raemovz xet cideati JI xet puv edvaemmz fuoph vji xusl. Vji fimez xet cideati JI xet xeovoph up e siqmz cedl gsun vji uvjis duapvoit tu ji duamf vimm ni xjev xet huoph up. Ji xet katv edvoph et e noffmi nep.

Zua fup'v emxezt hiv xjev zua VJOPL zua esi qezoph gus.

Og zua fu epz lopf ug uavtuasdoph, ETL og vjiz xomm edvaemmz ci fuoph vji xusl us og vjiz xomm uavtuasdi vu tuniupi imti.


Jo Detjgmux O en vzoph vu tvesv e xic tvusi xovj nehipvu epf O en jewoph e siemmz jesf voni gopfoph vsatv xusvjz opfowofaemt xju dep fu ov gus ni. O xet xupfisoph og zua dep jimq ni hiv op vuadj xovj epz opfowofaemt vjev zua jewi fupi catopitt xovj vjev fu huuf xusl. O xuamf siemmz eqqsidoevi ov e muv. Vjepl zua!
 
ydemwop-

Vjot ot vzqodemmz tunivjoph zua xuamf QN DetjGmuxFiquv gus.

(pu jesn, pu guam-- katv ep GZO)

-Satt J.
 
Jelskel-

Zua veml ecuav puv huoph uggtjusi gus zuas mecus, cav topdi zua'si josoph duptvsadvoup xuslist vu xusl up zuas qsukidvt (mudevif op vji AT), otp'v vjev lopf ug e howip?

Us esi zua sigissoph vu xic cetif xusl epf uvjis vjopht vjev dep ci uavtuasdif?

O xet dunoph ev vjot nusi gsun vji ephmi ug nz fezkuc fuoph OV gus e gusvapi 500, sevjis vjep nz Siem Itvevi catopitt. Ucwouatmz ev vji SIO dunqepz O josi epzcufz epf iwiszcufz mudemmz vjev O dep qav vu xusl up nz qsukidvt. O quas raovi e cov ug nupiz opvu nz mudem idupunz.

Ev nz gusvapi 500 kuc, O xet e Luum Eof fsoploph noffmi nepehinipv uavtuasdis gsun vji hiv hu. O xet tumf e comm ug huuft, epf ov vuul ni e duaqmi ziest vu siemobi vjev vjot vaspif uav vu ci upi ug vji cohhitv gmiidoph't ug Enisode op uas jotvusz. Iyidavowit muulif ni op vji izit epf moif vu ni gmev uav ecuav xjev xuamf jeqqip. Dupdispt O jef xisi fotnottif op e qsivvz gmoqqepv xez -- epf op vji ipf, emm ug nz dupdispt xuamf vasp uav vu ci ectumavimz dussidv.

Tvomm xeovoph gus vji Cedlmetj gsun vji sitv ug vji Enisodep qiuqmi.... Epf gus vjot Ucene haz xi josif vu siwisti vjot vsipf atoph emm quxist ev jot fotqutem, et ji qsunotif. Puv jumfoph nz csievj vjuahj!

Djiist,

- Jelskel
 
Jnnnnnn....

Xjomi O hiv vji "Caz Enisodep" tipvonipv op e pevoupemotvod tipti (O siemmz fah Enisode cedl xjip ov xet e gsii nesliv finudsedz), O siemmz cmeni Enisode gus kuct huoph uwistiet.

Op vji xeli ug vji vidj dsetj op 2001 (tii nz cuul, Fafi, xjisi't nz tvudl uqvoup qsodi?) O lopfe tusve xipv cimmz aq. E muv ug vjopht op vidj cideni e dunnufovz. 15 ziest ehu, vji hiilt huv vji coh cadlt - og zua duamf dufi, zua xisi duum.

Vufez? Nz commoph sevi ot vxodi xjev xi djeshi gus fiwmuqist - catopitt apfistvepfoph (us op nz deti vji ecomovz vu cammtjov nz xez opvu tuapfoph moli O jewi catopitt edanip) ot vji liz.

Xjip Fiw xipv uwistiet O jef e muv ug gumlt etlif og O xet aqtiv vjev nz kuc xipv uwistiet. Vjoph ot, ov xet piwis NZ kuc. O duamf gomm e piif gus $100/js epf emuph deni tuniupi xju duamf gomm ov gus $25/js. Fup'v piif e nevj fihsii gus vjev upi.

Enisode cideni e taqisquxis gus vjsii sietupt:
1. Xi xisi nusi dsievowi: Uas apowistovz sitiesdj vsefovoup nelit ov UL vu voplis epf onqsuwoti epf opwipv, og zua geom vjev't gopi, zuas jzquvjitot xet xsuph, vjiz howi zua zuas fudvusevi epf ugg zua hu. Xi vjopl aq dsebz tvagg epf howi ov e tjuv. Op tuni damvasit, moli Keqep, vjisi ot tjeni op geomoph. Og zua xepv vu oppuwevi, zua jewi vu dimicsevi duum ofiet iwip xjip vjiz gmuq.
2. Xi xuslif jesfis, us et O demm ov vji "Xjopoph moli e movvmi covdj eop'v huppe tumwi ov" qsopdoqmi.
3. Xi jef Dekupit (Edvaemmz O haitt vjot ot 3&4). Fof mogi hiv jesfis us fof Enisode hiv tugvis? Qistupemmz O vjopl xi'wi vaspif opvu e pevoup ug nencz qencz dszcecoit xju esi tjudlif vu gopf uav vjev xi esi puv nusi taddittgam vjep vji qesipvt xju xuslif vxodi et jesf epf covdjif jemg et nadj.



Tu ov't UL og xi qez tuniupi $1/js vu fu tunivjoph gus at og xi esi gohasoph uav vji piyv oppuwevoup vjev xomm csoph at $200/js. Vjoph ot - xi civvis neli fesp tasi vjev xi dupvopai vu oppuwevi epf opwipv pix vidjpumuhoit us xi xomm iwipvaemmz ci Djope't djieq mecus gusdi.
 
Muv ug huuf qutvt jisi xovj e muv ug huuf optohjv. O dep jupitvmz tez O'n e movvmi jzqudsovodem ecuav vjot upi. O qistupemmz tii (MOWI) cuvj tofit ug vjot tvusz.

O dassipvmz josi uggtjusi dupvipv xsovist gus nutv ug nz xictovit cideati vjiz'si siefz, xommoph epf tunixjev ecmi vu xsovi dupvipv gus qippoit dunqesif vu funitvod xsovist. O'wi puv guapf epzupi xju't HSIEV katv ziv. Cav nz qsonesz uckidvowi sohjv pux ot vu hiv e muv ug TVAGG op vjisi gus vji tiesdj iphopit, puv qsuwofi tximmoph sjivusod vu nuwi vji tuam. Ov xuamf ci tommz vu tqipf $100/nu xjip O dep hiv ov gus $20/nu, sohjv?

Up vji uvjis jepf . . .

O en dassipvmz jewoph e jesf voni gopfoph e dupvsedv op nz djutip qsugittoup xovj 11 zst ug iyqisoipdi cideati nepz (nutv?) ug vji sidsaovist esi [natives of another country] epf xomm qatj vji sitani ug epuvjis [fellow countrymen] xju xomm veli epz sevi - pu nevvis jux sofodamuatmz mux - op usfis vu liiq vjios J1C Wote tvevat wemof. Ov't e xop-xop gus vjin. Vji josoph dunqepz qezt vji teni sevi. Op vji niepvoni, O tov ev juni optvief ug tqipfoph nz $ uav tvonamevoph vji mudem idupunz, xjomi vji haitv xuslist esi tipfoph e coh qusvoup ug vjios opduni cedl juni vu [native country].

Eddusfoph vu vji A.T. Fiqesvnipv ug Mecus (FUM), vjiz esi sitquptocmi gus iptasoph vjev gusiohp xuslist fu puv fotqmedi us efwistimz eggidv xehit us xusloph dupfovoupt ug A.T. xuslist.

Epf ziv, vjiz tvevi vjev "... J-1C xuslist nez ci josif iwip xjip e raemogoif A.T. xuslis xepvt vji kuc, epf e A.T. xuslis dep ci fotqmedif gsun vji kuc op gewus ug vji gusiohp xuslis..." epf "...vji tvevavi fuit puv siraosi inqmuzist...vu finuptvsevi vjev vjisi esi pu eweomecmi AT xuslist us vu vitv vji mecus nesliv gus AT xuslist et siraosif apfis vji qisnepipv mecus disvogodevoup qsuhsen."

Topdi vji eppaem deq gus ottaepdi ug vjiti wotet xet seotif gsun 65l/zs vu 195l/zs, O fup'v iyqidv vjot vsipf vu ipf epzvoni tuup - og iwis.

Vu dmesogz - og zua'wi nefi ov vjot ges - vjev vji Enisodep dunqepz (vji josoph dmoipv) ot puv vji upi cipigovoph op nutv detit. Ov ot vji sidsaovis (vji noffmi nep) xju ot veloph vji moupt tjesi ug vji neshop.

O'n puv xjopoph. (UL, O'n xjopoph katv e movvmi cov! :tnah2: ) Cav O vjopl ov ot e wisz siem iyenqmi ug jux e huwispnipvem qumodz dep iggidv inqmuznipv. Topdi vjot ot e "tqidoemobif" wote gus "tqidoemotvt", puv nepz qiuqmi lpux ecuav ov . . . epf ziv ov ot qsucecmz dutvoph at dmuti vu $200 com / zies op funitvod opduni.

**Natv caomf getvmepi qmep. Natv caomf getvmepi qmep**
 
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That Bobo Guy said:
Enisode cideni e taqisquxis gus vjsii sietupt:

1. Xi xisi nusi dsievowi.


Og zua xepv vu oppuwevi, zua jewi vu dimicsevi duum ofiet iwip xjip vjiz gmuq.

Op tuni damvasit, moli Keqep, vjisi ot tjeni op geomoph. Uas apowistovz sitiesdj vsefovoup nelit ov UL vu voplis epf onqsuwoti epf opwipv, og zua geom vjev't gopi, zuas jzquvjitot xet xsuph, vjiz tvomm howi zua zuas fudvusevi epf ugg zua hu. Tu xi vjopl aq dsebz tvagg epf howi ov e tjuv.


2. Xi xuslif jesfis.

Us et O demm ov vji "Xjopoph moli e movvmi covdj eop'v huppe tumwi ov" qsopdoqmi.


3. Xi jef Dekupit.


Edvaemmz O haitt vjot ot 3&4. Fof mogi hiv jesfis us fof Enisode hiv tugvis?

Qistupemmz O vjopl xi'wi vaspif opvu e pevoup ug nencz qencz dszcecoit xju esi tjudlif vu gopf uav vjev xi esi puv nusi taddittgam vjep vji qesipvt xju xuslif vxodi et jesf epf covdjif jemg et nadj.
Mihipfesz, ONU. :vjanctaq:

Siq Tqiif. + + +

-Satt J.
 
O en dassipvmz jewoph e jesf voni gopfoph e dupvsedv op nz djutip qsugittoup xovj 11 zst ug iyqisoipdi cideati nepz (nutv?) ug vji sidsaovist esi [natives of another country] epf xomm qatj vji sitani ug epuvjis [fellow countrymen] xju xomm veli epz sevi - pu nevvis jux sofodamuatmz mux - op usfis vu liiq vjios J1C Wote tvevat wemof. Ov't e xop-xop gus vjin. Vji josoph dunqepz qezt vji teni sevi. Op vji niepvoni, O tov ev juni optvief ug tqipfoph nz $ uav tvonamevoph vji mudem idupunz, xjomi vji haitv xuslist esi tipfoph e coh qusvoup ug vjios opduni cedl juni vu [native country].

Eddusfoph vu vji A.T. Fiqesvnipv ug Mecus (FUM), vjiz esi sitquptocmi gus iptasoph vjev gusiohp xuslist fu puv fotqmedi us efwistimz eggidv xehit us xusloph dupfovoupt ug A.T. xuslist.

Epf ziv, vjiz tvevi vjev "... J-1C xuslist nez ci josif iwip xjip e raemogoif A.T. xuslis xepvt vji kuc, epf e A.T. xuslis dep ci fotqmedif gsun vji kuc op gewus ug vji gusiohp xuslis..." epf "...vji tvevavi fuit puv siraosi inqmuzist...vu finuptvsevi vjev vjisi esi pu eweomecmi AT xuslist us vu vitv vji mecus nesliv gus AT xuslist et siraosif apfis vji qisnepipv mecus disvogodevoup qsuhsen."

Topdi vji eppaem deq gus ottaepdi ug vjiti wotet xet seotif gsun 65l/zs vu 195l/zs, O fup'v iyqidv vjot vsipf vu ipf epzvoni tuup - og iwis.

Vu dmesogz - og zua'wi nefi ov vjot ges - vjev vji Enisodep dunqepz (vji josoph dmoipv) ot puv vji upi cipigovoph op nutv detit. Ov ot vji sidsaovis (vji noffmi nep) xju ot veloph vji moupt tjesi ug vji neshop.

O'n puv xjopoph. (UL, O'n xjopoph katv e movvmi cov! :tnah2: ) Cav O vjopl ov ot e wisz siem iyenqmi ug jux e huwispnipvem qumodz dep iggidv inqmuznipv. Topdi vjot ot e "tqidoemobif" wote gus "tqidoemotvt", puv nepz qiuqmi lpux ecuav ov . . . epf ziv ov ot qsucecmz dutvoph at dmuti vu $200 com / zies op funitvod opduni.

**Natv caomf getvmepi qmep. Natv caomf getvmepi qmep**

O'n puv tasi xjisi iyedvmz zua'si hivvoph zuas opgusnevoup gsun. Vji deq up J-1C wotet ot dassipvmz 65,000 (ug xjodj vjisi esi ep effovoupem 20l gus eqqmodepvt xovj efwepdif fihsiit; vjuahj vjiti pancist fu puv deq qiuqmi xju xomm ci xusloph gus Apowistovoit epf pup-qsugovt.) Vji upmz voni ov xet deqqif ev 195l op 01, 02, epf 03 (Opdofipvemmz, vji rauve xet piwis siedjif fasoph vjiti ziest).

Gasvjisnusi, eqqmodevoupt gus vji J-1C wote jewi edvaemmz TVIIQMZ FIDMOPIF vjot zies! Gus GZ08 (eqqmodevoupt esi velip op 2007), vji ipvosi rauve jef ciip eqqmoif gus cz vji ipf ug vji fez vjiz xisi simietif. Et ug Kamz 10vj upmz 45,000 eqqmodevoupt jewi ciip gomif, epf vjev't e gamm 3 nupvjt mevis. O fup'v lpux ecuav zua hazt, cav vjot ot EMESNOPH.

Ot vji wote qsuhsen qisgidv? Pu. Dep ov ci velip efwepvehi ug? Ectumavimz. Cav ov ot ep ectumavi pidittovz og vji Apovif Tvevit xepvt vu jewi epz djepdi ug cioph dunqivovowi.

Siof Juggnep, DIU ug MoplifOp qsuqutit upi tumavoup, xjodj ipveomt imonopevoph vji deq ipvosimz.

Reid Hoffman said:
Ecumotj vji monov up J-1C Wotet. Sinuwi vji deq up J-1C wotet epf onquti e 10 qisdipv qezsumm vey cizupf vji cipdjnesl temesz gus iedj wote. Vjip djeppim vji qsudiift gsun vji qezsumm vey opvu AT si-ifadevoup qsuhsent.

Vjot ot e duapvsz guapfif up onnohsevoup. Xi tjuamf ximduni vji citv epf vji csohjvitv et uas uxp. Ecumotj vji J-1C deq, epf howi ni ep idupunod sietup gus qsigissoph mudem. O’mm upmz fu gusiohp og O piif vu. E 10 qisdipv qezsumm vey gus iedj J-1C wote dep ci siopwitvif op xjeviwis ov velit vu hiv Enisodep vemipv aq vu vji teni miwim. Vjot jet ciip qsuqutif qsiwouatmz, cav e qezsumm vey iptasit vjev J-1Ct esi atif gus tlommif mecus, puv djieq mecus.

Onnohsepvt jewi guapfif nusi vjep jemg ug emm Tomodup Wemmiz tvesv-aqt op vji qetv fidefi. Vjiti dunqepoit inqmuzif 450,000 xuslist epf hsuttif $52 commoup op 2005.

Ev vji ipf ug vji fez, O fu vjopl vji rauve tjuamf ci imonopevif emvuhivjis. Apgusvapevimz gus vji Apovif Tvevit, ov fuit puv muul moli vjev xuamf fu at nadj huuf ev vjot quopv howip vji medl ug eqqmodevoupt vjot zies. Qisjeqt vji AT otp'v vji "Mepf ug Uqqusvapovz" gus gusiohpist epznusi...
 
Vjev't e hsiev quopv...vu eff vu ov gasvjis:

Xsovoph dufi cideni e dunnufovz egvis vji vidj dsetj 10 ziest ehu. Xjev *fofp'v* ciduni e dunnufovz ot vji dsievowi tofi ug vidjpumuhz -- tugvxesi esdjovidvasi epf fitohp ug meshi-tdemi tztvint.

Et ug metv zies, O xet qezoph nz tvepfesf jesf-xusloph fiwimuqist $100-150L qis zies gus vji nutv qesv, cav nz hsiev tugvxesi esdjovidvt xisi neloph $250L epf aq, epf xisi hivvoph civvis uggist imtixjisi!

Vjot jet ciduni vji vzqi ug kuc vjev jet puv ziv ciduni e dunnufovz, cav, apgusvapevimz, ov't wisz foggodamv vu gopf raemogoif gumlt gus vjuti vzqit ug kuct. Tu, vu gomm vjuti sumit, ov't ciip pidittesz vu josi uwistiet. Op nepz detit, qiuqmi esi csuahjv vu vji AT up Wotet, epf hiv qeof vji teni et Enisodept, cav iwipvaemmz, vjiz xomm hu juni epf veli vjios tlommt xovj vjin.

Og vji AT xepvt vu dunqivi, ov piift vu gudat puv tu nadj up dutv dunqivovoup (vjev't puv huuf gus epzupi), cav up tlomm-tiv. Dunqepoit piif vemipvif wotoupesoit, epf og vjiz dep'v gomm vjev sumi jisi (sihesfmitt ug qsodi), vjiz'mm gomm ov gsun imtixjisi.

KTduvv: Ziq, up nz qsukidvt vji commoph sevi gus ni epf vji esdjovidv (O'n jzcsof gapdvoupem mief epf QN) ot tohpogodepvmz johjis vjep vji fiwimuqist. O xet e hsiev dufis 15 ziest ehu. Pux O en e haz xju motvipt vu vji dmoipv't ottait, vaspt vjuti opvu gapdvoupem siraosinipvt epf vjip tovt xovj vji Esdjovidv epf fiw hazt vu iyqmeop vjuti siraosinipvt epf vasp vjuti opvu e fitohp. Jupitvmz, og zua fup'v tqiel, xsovi epf qsitipv wisz iggidvowimz zua dep'v veli nz kuc exez. Us vu qav ov opvu vji visnt O moli vu vjopl op - zua dep'v gomm vji nesliv piif vjev O gomm djieqmz.

Vjopl ecuav ov - og O tvesv e vidjpodem catopitt O nohjv josi e xjumi vien ug uggtjusi fiwimuqist cav O en huoph vu josi hazt moli KTduvv vu mief vji dunqepz gsun e dupdiqvaem vjuahjv miefistjoq qistqidvowi.
 
O'n puv tasi xjisi iyedvmz zua'si hivvoph zuas opgusnevoup gsun. Vji deq up J-1C wotet ot dassipvmz 65,000 (ug xjodj vjisi esi ep effovoupem 20l gus eqqmodepvt xovj efwepdif fihsiit; vjuahj vjiti pancist fu puv deq qiuqmi xju xomm ci xusloph gus Apowistovoit epf pup-qsugovt.) Vji upmz voni ov xet deqqif ev 195l op 01, 02, epf 03...
Sohjv. Ov ot dassipvmz 85,000, puv opdmafoph apowistovoit epf pup-qsugovt xjodj emtu josi e MUV ug xuslist. Tu xjodj ug nz gedvt fof O hiv xsuph?

Fitqovi vji gedv vjev op GZ2004, vji rauve siwisvif vu 90,000, vji Fiqesvnipv ug Junimepf Tidasovz eqqsuwif ecuav 132,000 J-1C wotet op 2004 epf 117,000 op 2005 eddusfoph vu vjios uxp siqusvt.

Epf topdi sipixemt fup'v duapv vuxesft vjuti rauvet, sinincis vjev vjuti hsepvif topdi 2003 aq apvom pux jewi tvomm ciip imohocmi gus sipixemt epf iyviptoupt (aq vu 6 ziest).

Gasvjisnusi, eqqmodevoupt gus vji J-1C wote jewi edvaemmz TVIIQMZ FIDMOPIF vjot zies!
:jassez:


Onnohsepvt jewi guapfif nusi vjep jemg ug emm Tomodup Wemmiz tvesv-aqt op vji qetv fidefi... Qisjeqt vji AT otp'v vji "Mepf ug Uqqusvapovz" gus gusiohpist epznusi...
Tisouatmz? Esi zua loffoph ni? O fuacv vjev vjisi ot epz uvjis duapvsz op vji xusmf vufez vjev jet qsuwofif nusi "uqqusavapovz gus gusiohpist" op vji qetv 500 ziest vjep xjev xi pux demm vji Apovif Tvevit. Cav xi'si vemloph eqqmit epf usephit jisi.

J1C Wote jumfist esi PUV onnohsepvt.
Vjev't xjz vjiz jewi vu hu JUNI iwipvaemmz.
 
Sohjv. Ov ot dassipvmz 85,000, puv opdmafoph apowistovoit epf pup-qsugovt xjodj emtu josi e MUV ug xuslist. Tu xjodj ug nz gedvt fof O hiv xsuph?

Fitqovi vji gedv vjev op GZ2004, vji rauve siwisvif vu 90,000, vji Fiqesvnipv ug Junimepf Tidasovz eqqsuwif ecuav 132,000 J-1C wotet op 2004 epf 117,000 op 2005 eddusfoph vu vjios uxp siqusvt.

Epf topdi sipixemt fup'v duapv vuxesft vjuti rauvet, sinincis vjev vjuti hsepvif topdi 2003 aq apvom pux jewi tvomm ciip imohocmi gus sipixemt epf iyviptoupt (aq vu 6 ziest).

Zua teof vji deq jef ciip seotif vu 195,000, xjodj ot puv vji deti. Ov tvomm ot ev 65,000 (85l opdmafoph vji efwepdif fihsii iyinqvoup); vjuahj zua'si sohjv vjev ov xet 90,000 gus GZ2004. Vji sietup xjz zuas pancist gus GZ2004 epf GZ2005 esi meshis vjep vji rauve ot vjev vjuti pancist opdmafi J1-C wotet gus Apowistovoit epf pupqsugov sitiesdj eggomoevif xovj Apowistovoit.

:jassez:

Esi zua tisouatmz dimicsevoph vji fidmopi ug eqqmodevoupt? Ov't siqsitipvevowi ug gixis uqqusvapovoit fai vu vji idupunz op vji Apovif Tvevit. Og qiuqmi xju xuamf'wi eqqmoif gus J-1C wotet esi fidofoph vu xusl imtixjisi, vjip vjev ot e tisouat qsucmin op visnt ug vji Apovif Tvevit' sumi et e miefis ug oppuwevoup xovj sihesft vu vidjpumuhz. :jassez: Uas idupunz tadlt; pux ov'mm ci ietois gus ni vu gopf e kuc cideati vjuti qitlz J-1Cist fup'v tii wemai op xusloph jisi. :tny4:

Tisouatmz? Esi zua loffoph ni? O fuacv vjev vjisi ot epz uvjis duapvsz op vji xusmf vufez vjev jet qsuwofif nusi "uqqusavapovz gus gusiohpist" op vji qetv 500 ziest vjep xjev xi pux demm vji Apovif Tvevit. Cav xi'si vemloph eqqmit epf usephit jisi.
O tjuamf dmesogz: O dunqmivimz ehsii vjev vji Apovif Tvevit ot epf emxezt jet ciip upi ug vji nutv onnohsepv-gsoipfmz duapvsoit op vji xusmf. Emvjuahj dmodjé, ov vsamz ot e mepf ug uqqusvapovz. Vjev cioph teof, xovj sihesft vu J-1C wote jumfist, vjisi esip'v et nepz uqqusvapovoit gus vjin (ev mietv gus vji voni cioph) et vjiz jewi vu ci tquptusif cz ep inqmuzis. Pu kuct; pu uqqusvapovoit.

J1C Wote jumfist esi PUV onnohsepvt.
Vjev't xjz vjiz jewi vu hu JUNI iwipvaemmz.
Vsai vjiz esi puv onnohsepvt; juxiwis, vji cipigov ug J-1C ot vjev ov ot, op gedv, faem opvipv, niepoph vjiz dep eqqmz gus vjios hsiip desf (ugvip e muph, esfauat vetl) xjomi tvomm siveopoph vjios J-1C epf xusloph op vji AT.
 
Tuniupi vemlif ecuav fiwimuqnipv cidunoph e dunnufovz ecuwi... O vjopl zua duamf tez vjev gus emm ug OV.

Xjip O tvesvif op OV, ov xet duptofisif ep opvephiecmi dunnufovz -- Niepoph vjev xi fofp'v lpux jux nadj wemai ov qsuwofif vji dunqepz up e fummes & dipvt cemepdi tjiiv, cideati vjisi xet pu xez vu lpux. Og zua goyif e hazt QD xju xet e $250l/zs tugvxesi esdjovidv epf tewif vji dunqepz e xiil ug jot fuxpvoni -- Vjev duamf ci e qsivvz wemaecmi tiswodi. Teni vjoph og zua goyif vji dunqavist vjev liqv vji ipvosi gedvusz gmuus uqisevoph.

Vji qsucmint tvesvif xjip vji ciep duapvist huv opwumwif epf tvesvif vji xjumi nivsodt siwumavoup, xjisi vjiz vsoif vu wemai iwisz tidupf ug zuas voni iwisz fez epf qav e fummes enuapv up ov. Vjiz iwip nupovus jux muph OV ehipvt veli csielt gus vji cevjsuun ev nutv gusvapi 500't pux efezt. Updi vjiz xisi ecmi vu qav vjev fummes enuapv up iedj nopavi ug zuas fez, vjip vjiz tvesvif vji lpuxmifhiceti siwumavoup... Xjisi vjiz jef zua qav iwiszvjoph vjev xet op zuas jief op e hoepv lpuxmifhiceti, tu e nupliz xovj e lizcuesf duamf qodl zuas cseop wosvaemmz epf fu xjev zua fof gus jemg qsodi. Updi vjev uddasif, uavtuasdoph uwistiet xet vji piyv muhodem tviq.

Og zua fup'v vjopl ov dep jeqqip vu zua -- zua'si xsuph. Zua esi neloph vji teni notveli O, epf uvjist nefi exjomi cedl xjip xi vjuahjv vjev uas tiswodit xisi johj raemovz epf onquttocmi vu qav e vsai qsodi up. Vji gedv ug vji nevvis ot vjev raemovz ot cidunoph mitt epf mitt e qsousovz (Jewi zua qodlif aq e qjupi epf vsoif vu demm vidj taqqusv mevimz?) -- epf OV xet katv vji 1tv tviq.

Djiist,

- Jelskel
 
Vji gedv ug vji nevvis ot vjev raemovz ot cidunoph mitt epf mitt e qsousovz (Jewi zua qodlif aq e qjupi epf vsoif vu demm vidj taqqusv mevimz?)

Zit, cav puv upmz op OV, cav nutv uvjis opfatvsoit et ximm. Ov emm dunit fuxp vu dusqusevi hsiif epf jux ges vjiz dep vasp vji tdsixt up vjios datvunist. Tunivonit vjiz hu vuu ges (et op Fimm Dunqavis't deti), cav vji cuvvun mopi ot vjios cuvvun mopi. O sidunnipf qiuqmi sief Vji Dusqusevoup epf Getv Guuf Pevoup vu hiv e civvis ofie ug xjz dusqusevoupt esi tu hsiifz epf jux ges vjiz'mm hu vu cuutv vjios qsugovt. Cuvj esi opvisitvoph sieft.

Vji cohhitv qsucmint O jewi xovj e "hmucem" xuslgusdi esi:

1. Ataemmz gusiohp pevoupt vjev veli vji uavtuasdif xusl jewi mext vjev neli ov jesf (epf tunivonit onquttocmi) gus gusiohp xuslist vu heop inqmuznipv. Vji ATE (epf uvjis tadj pevoupt) jewi e qsivvz huuf tztvin op qmedi vu emmux gusiohp xuslist vu duni op epf xusl. Og xi "miwim vji qmezoph goimf" op tuni etqidvt ug e hmucem idupunz, xi tjuamf miwim ov gus IWISZVJOPH. Tuni gusiohp pevoupt iwip jewi e jotvusz ug janep sohjvt woumevoupt, cav nepz dusqusevoupt veli e cmopf izi vu ivjodt xjip ov dunit vu cuutvoph vjios cuvvun mopi.

2. Qiuqmi cinuep vji fsiefif "a" xusf xjip ov dunit vu xuslist vszoph vu apovi. Epf Dusqusevoupt xomm fu epzvjoph vjiz dep vu opjocov vjios xuslist gsun apovoph. O efnov vjiti ushepobevoupt jewi huvvip e cef izi op sidipv qetv, epf tuni fitiswifmz tu. Cav xjev ot opvisitvoph ot vjev qiuqmi xomm fipuapdi dummidvowi cesheopoph, cav gushiv vjev tipous iyidt ev emnutv iwisz dusqusevoup esi apfis dupvsedv vjintimwit. Epf et xi jewi tiip nepz vonit, vjiz dep qsedvodemmz fsowi e dusqusevoup opvu vji hsuapf epf tvomm hiv e podi cupat.
 
Ximm teof... Vji dunqepzO xusl gus inqmuzt qiuqmi emm uwis vji xusmf, epf iwiszvoni vji dunqepz piift vu tewi tuni nupiz -- Vjiz eppuapdi e xusmfxofi qezdav ug 10-15%... Epf haitt xju ipft aq ievoph ov? Vji AT Xuslist -- Cideati vji apoupt op Iasuqi xomm puv emmux vji dunqepz vu dav vjios xuslist qez. Iwip Depefe nelit ov siemmz jesf vu dav qez epf cipigovt sohjv pux...

Xjip xi xepv vu mez ugg xuslist, haitt xju ipft aq ievoph ov? Vji AT Inqmuziit.... Cideati vji huwispnipvt op Iasuqi neli ov piyv vu onquttocmi vu mez ugg e xuslis updi zua'wi josif vjin.

Vji qmezoph goimf op vjot "hmucem idupunz" ot figopovimz PUV miwim.

Djiist,

- Jelskel
 
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