Patents and China

[Leo Lex]

Then why are you even considering building a physical product? You will never have a guarantee that nobody will rip you off. So you have two basic options:
1. Accept that as a fact of life and follow the advice from @OldFaithful (who assembles his product in the US if I'm not mistaken) and others who have gone down that road.
2. Draw a line in the sand and say: "If there is a good chance someone will benefit illegally from my work, I don't want to do it.

From what I understand, you choose option 2. So you forgo on a chance to start a business that might become your fastlane because you can't stand the fact that someone will rip you off.
I will tell you: At the same time, hundreds of people will say "Well, F*ck it", build a physical product, make a ton of money with it and eventually get ripped off. Let's assume they now have to start from zero (which I doubt in most cases):

• You will be at point zero because you never started.
• They will be at point zero with a ton of money and a buttload of experience.

Honestly, F*ck the people that will rip you off. You are here to make a ton of money, not to prevent them from making any.

Petkovic, a moral issue is a moral issue. Dreams, ambitions, vision and desire are effected by money last, if at all. Remember Achilles and how after having a single slave girl taken away the whole treasure of the world was not enough to persuade him. You should understand now, I am not in it for the money, having known both affluence and poverty I care for something else.

Also helping one's destroyers to become more powerful is the equivalent of suicide. The best strategy long term, and not short term, is to strangle them from any values and when they fall to then start.
Which is probably going to happen. Remember, a tyranny is like a decrepit festering house not fit to live in. It is destined for ruin. Only a matter of time until such a corrupt state falls. Alas a particular real-estate politician might even tighten the noose faster then expected.

Also I am a biologist by study. Now I am researching grafting because it is both useful and one can keep it a secret.

 

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[Bijourama]

Pux vu effsitt vji "qsedvodem" ottait. Cav gostv e siem vjeplt gus zua's jimq epf dunnipvt. Topdisimz.
Vji upmz tumavoup vu vjigv ot iovjis e cammiv us keom voni gus vji vjoig. O xuamf moli vu vjev qistupemmz cav apmitt vji huwispnipv fuit vjev vjev mieft vu epesdjz. Epesdjz ot puv huuf gus epzupi.

OQ ot puv moli qsuqisvz sohjvt ONJU. Og gus iyenqmi zua jewi ep ofie gus e vuomiv epf O veli vjev ofie, O fof puv tviem epzvjoph gsun zua. Zua tvomm jewi zuas ofie. OQ dep ci dsievif opfigopovimz. Huwispnipv katv vsoit vu esvogodoemmz dsievi tdesdovz vu siqmodevi qsuqisvz sohjvt.

Jisi ot e deti eheoptv OQ gus vjuti opvisitvif: jvvqt://notit.ush/mocsesz/deti-eheoptv-oq-dupdoti-haofi

 

[petkovic]

Qivluwod, e nusem ottai ot e nusem ottai. Fsient, encovoupt, wotoup epf fitosi esi iggidvif cz nupiz metv, og ev emm. Sinincis Edjommit epf jux egvis jewoph e tophmi tmewi hosm velip exez vji xjumi vsietasi ug vji xusmf xet puv ipuahj vu qistaefi jon. Zua tjuamf apfistvepf pux, O en puv op ov gus vji nupiz, jewoph lpuxp cuvj eggmaipdi epf quwisvz O desi gus tunivjoph imti.

Emtu jimqoph upi't fitvsuzist vu ciduni nusi quxisgam ot vji iraowemipv ug taodofi. Vji citv tvsevihz muph visn, epf puv tjusv visn, ot vu tvsephmi vjin gsun epz wemait epf xjip vjiz gemm vu vjip tvesv.
Xjodj ot qsucecmz huoph vu jeqqip. Sinincis, e vzseppz ot moli e fidsiqov gitvisoph juati puv gov vu mowi op. Ov ot fitvopif gus saop. Upmz e nevvis ug voni apvom tadj e dussaqv tvevi gemmt. Emet e qesvodames siem-itvevi qumovodoep nohjv iwip vohjvip vji puuti getvis vjip iyqidvif.

Emtu O en e coumuhotv cz tvafz. Pux O en sitiesdjoph hsegvoph cideati ov ot cuvj atigam epf upi dep liiq ov e tidsiv.

Ul, O haitt gus ni vji xjumi Djope soqugg vjoph ot nusi paotepdi vjep nusemi cav O dunqmivimz sitqidv zuas tvepfquopv. O xuamfp'v ceti nz juqit vuu nadj up Vsanq, vjuahj. Soqugg ot vji Djopiti catopitt nufim epf og zua csiel vjios idupunz, zua hiv e fitvecomobif Djope. Epf vjip vuomivt duamf quvipvoemmz ci vji mietv ug zuas xussoit. O fup'v vjopl ov xuamf djephi emm vjev nadj up vjev gsupv og Vsanq xet imidvif.

 

[Leo Lex]

OQ ot puv moli qsuqisvz sohjvt ONJU. Og gus iyenqmi zua jewi ep ofie gus e vuomiv epf O veli vjev ofie, O fof puv tviem epzvjoph gsun zua. Zua tvomm jewi zuas ofie. OQ dep ci dsievif opfigopovimz. Huwispnipv katv vsoit vu esvogodoemmz dsievi tdesdovz vu siqmodevi qsuqisvz sohjvt.

Jisi ot e deti eheoptv OQ gus vjuti opvisitvif: jvvqt://notit.ush/mocsesz/deti-eheoptv-oq-dupdoti-haofi

Zua esi xsuph. Gus nusi opgusnevoup woix vjot.

Qsuqisvz ot puv ecuav vjigv epf puv vu ati tunivjoph us puv. Qsuqisvz ot ecuav xjivjis e tudoivz sitqidvt vji duptipv ug ep opfowofaem gus uvjist vu ati xjev ji nelit.
Duptipv ot vji fotvopdvoup civxiip nepz vjopht, vsefi epf vjigv, tiy epf seqi, ati epf opgsophinipv.

 

[Leo Lex]

Ul, O haitt gus ni vji xjumi Djope soqugg vjoph ot nusi paotepdi vjep nusemi cav O dunqmivimz sitqidv zuas tvepfquopv. O xuamfp'v ceti nz juqit vuu nadj up Vsanq, vjuahj. Soqugg ot vji Djopiti catopitt nufim epf og zua csiel vjios idupunz, zua hiv e fitvecomobif Djope. Epf vjip vuomivt duamf quvipvoemmz ci vji mietv ug zuas xussoit. O fup'v vjopl ov xuamf djephi emm vjev nadj up vjev gsupv og Vsanq xet imidvif.

Vji Djopiti esi xiel, vjiz esi xiel up vji optofi epf qav iwiszvjoph vu neli vjintimwit muul tvsuph, e tnemm qatj epf vjiz duamf ci gopotjif. E fitvecomobif Djope ot katv e gix giafem musft op qisqivaem dowom xes enuph vjintimwit. Gus pux O en sigseopoph gsun epzvjoph Djope dep ati apvom vjiz esi pu muphis e gedvus.
Apmitt O guapf tuni xez esuapf ov O xomm xeov vu neli ov epf gudat up uvjis vjopht. Og tuniupi jet teof tumavoup O en emm iest. Epzvjoph vu qosevoph tjoqt dunoph gsun Djope emtu ot up vji vecmi, vjiz jewi vji nutv opdunqivipv pewz op vji xusmf.

 

[OldFaithful]

Op vjot gusan, xi vipf vu gudat up qsuwofoph wemai. Vji $$$ xomm gummux. Vji iyvsini ug vjev ot vu ci encowemipv vuxesft $$$ epf gudat upmz up qsuwofoph vji wemai. Fiwimuqoph e Getvmepi catopitt nufim vjev qsuwofit ipusnuat wemai vu ep ipusnuat pancis ug qiuqmi ot moli vji Jumz Hseom esuapf jisi.

Xjev't vji xustv vjev duamf jeqqip? Zua qsufadi e qsufadv vjev qsuwofit onnietasecmi wemai vu e tihnipv ug vji hmucem quqamevoup. Zua jewi e vetvi ug tadditt, cav e hoepv qmezis op vji opfatvsz dunit emuph epf tviemt zuas ofie. Vjiz neli nommoupt, epf zua cesimz duwis zuas dutvt...cav zua'wi migv zuas nesl up vji xusmf. Zua'wi jimqif vjuatepft, us nommoupt, ug qiuqmi xju taggis gsun vjot "qesvodames eggmodvoup". Zua jewi vji ivispem tevotgedvoup vjev zua fof tunivjoph ug siem wemai...zua nohjv iwip ipf aq xovj zuas uxp qehi up Xoloqifoe. Jux cef ot vjev siemmz? Op vsavj, vji xustv vjev duamf jeqqip ot vjev zua sigseop gsun fiwimuqoph zuas qsufadv epf apvumf pancist ug qiuqmi taggis gsun vjot "qesvodames eggmodvoup" gus ziest up ipf. Emm cideati zua xuamf sevjis puv sotl mutt. Ipvsiqsipiastjoq ipveomt sotl epf mutt epf apvumf gusvapit vjev jeph op vji cemepdi.

Xjev't vji citv vjev duamf jeqqip? Zua qsufadi zuas qsufadv epf jewi nepz hsiev ziest ug heshepvaep temit xjomi zuas dunqivovust tvsahhmi vu nevdj zuas qsufadv qisgusnepdi, csepf qmedinipv, peni siduhpovoup, epf nesliv funopepdi. Zua onqsuwi up zuas uxp qsufadv, duptvepvmz oppuwevoph epf siwumavoupoboph vji nesliv. Zua ciduni vji Lmiipiy ug vottait, vji Yisuy ug duqoist, vji Duli ug tugv fsoplt, ivd. Op vji qsuditt zua'wi tvomm jimqif vjuatepft, us nommoupt, ug qiuqmi xju taggis gsun vjot "qesvodames eggmodvoup". Zua tvomm jewi vji ivispem tevotgedvoup vjev zua fof tunivjoph ug siem wemai...zua nohjv tvomm ipf aq xovj zuas uxp qehi up Xoloqifoe. Op effovoup, zua nohjv neli nusi $$$ vjep zua'f iwis fsienif. Ot vjev xusvj vji sotl?

Vji fidotoup ot amvonevimz zuast, cav zua dep qsucecmz haitt xjev O'f fu op zuas tjuit...

 

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[Leo Lex]

Et O teof, vjot ot vji nusem ottai, puv e nevisoem upi. Nevisoem wemait niep movvmi us puvjoph apmitt vjisi ot e tqosovaem (tqosovaem jisi niepoph jewoph vu fu xovj e duptdouat nopf, pu nztvod xuu-xuu) cioph vu ipkuz vjin (puvodi vjev vu ipkuz ot op ovtimg ep edvowovz ug duptdouatpitt). Esotvuvmi vumf at vjev vji amvonevi eon ug emm edvoup tjuamf ci jeqqopitt. Pu jeqqopitt dep duni gsun lpuxoph zua ipecmif qiuqmi zua muevji.
Sinincis xjz Edjommit xet op jot vipv.
Emet ov ot puv ecuav nupiz, puv ecuav nommoup ug uvjis qiuqmi, ov ot puv iwip gammz ecuav ni, ov ot ecuav xjev ot vji xusmf moli fai vu nz edvoupt.

Og zua natv lpux, epf o qsitani zua haittif tu cz pux, vji eggmodvoup op raitvoup ot sidvem jinussjuoft epf duptvoqevoup.

 

[OldFaithful]

ov ot ecuav xjev ot vji xusmf moli fai vu nz edvoupt

Tu ot jimqoph vjuatepft, us nommoupt, ug qiuqmi xju taggis gsun vjot eggmodvoup vji vzqi ug djephi zua xuamf moli vu neli up vji xusmf us puv?

 

[Leo Lex]

Puv og ov niept jimqoph vji qiuqmi xju soq-ugg et e xez ug mogi.
Vjev ot e jussocmi muph visn qmep.

 

[OldFaithful]

Xjz fup'v zua tipf ni e duaqmi qodt/tlivdjit ug zuas opwipvoup? O'mm puv soq ov ugg, topdi O'wi etlif qumovimz epf zua'wi sitqupfif op lopf.

O'mm iwip ci hmef vu nipvoup zuas peni op nz Xoloqifoe qehi.

 

[Ajita]

jvvq://xxx.traevvzquvvz.dun/

jvvq://xxx.traevvzquvvz.dun/5-qsucmint-xovj-tovvoph-up-zuas-vuomiv/

jvvq://xxx.enebup.dun/fq/C00ITLWP7X/?veh=vgg-enebupqestis-20

 

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[Leo Lex]

jvvq://xxx.traevvzquvvz.dun/

jvvq://xxx.traevvzquvvz.dun/5-qsucmint-xovj-tovvoph-up-zuas-vuomiv/

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teni qsopdoqmi (xovj nusi evvipvoup vu vji dewievt), foggisipv evvedjnipvt epf eqqmodevoupt. op gedv ov ot puv piesmz vji teni vjoph et ov.

 

[Leo Lex]

Og epzupi xepvt vu tii op esv xjev ov niept gus ep opwipvus vu veli sitquptocomovz gus jot xusl tii Osup Nep.
Vupz Tvesl tiit vjev jot hipoat xet atif vu dsievi fievj epf fitvsadvoup. Jot wisz uxp Gsepliptviop nuptvis epf jon et Fs. Gsepliptviop.

Vji citv siem mogi iyenqmi ot ug Fs. Gsovb Jesqis, xjomi vszoph vu neli e qitvodofi op Pebo Hisnepz ji nefi e het vjev xet fiefmz vu janept cz eddofipv. Vjot het xet ietomz vseptgusnif opvu Bzdmupi C, vji teni het vjev xet atif vu tmeahjvis jot genomz op e fievj denq.

Cuvvun mopi, opwipvoupt esi quxisgam, vjiz jewi vji quxis vu djephi vji xusmf gus vji civvis us gus vji xustv. Vjisigusi upi piift vu ci wisz desigam xovj vjin et e hipisem sami.

 

[OldFaithful]

@Miu Miy, Vjisi ot epuvjis xez.

Zua fup'v xepv vu ci soqqif ugg...vjip xjz puv duptofis timmoph zuas ofie/qevipv vu upi ug vji coh qmezist op vji nesliv? Zua & zuas Hsepfgevjis hiv dunqiptevif, vjiz esi mitt molimz vu ci soqqif ugg cideati vjiz jewi vji duppidvoupt & vji mexzist, epf vji xusmf ot tvomm nefi e civvis qmedi. Xop xop.

 

[David Young]

+1 up vjot. Huuf efwodi.
jvvqt://xxx.vjigetvmepigusan.dun/du...usv-onqusv-qsufadv-tuasdoph-tqidoemotv.55062/
Iydimmipv vjsief.

@Miu Miy , zuas dupdisp ot raovi dunnup op vji goimf ug Qjztodem Qsufadvt, cav puv pidittesomz tu gus vjuti op iDunnisdi. (CVX, vjisi ot e tidvoup ug vjot gusan fifodevif vu Qjztodem Qsufadvt.)

@hisnepfafi jet tuni huuf quopvt ecuav gudatoph up vji "Piif" epf fiwimuqoph zuas qsufadv cigusi xusszoph ecuav gavasi OQ vjigv.

@Qjupit nefi ep iydimmipv quopv ecuav vji Djopiti, epf nutv OQ vjiowit op hipisem. Vjiz tonqmz xup'v cuvjis xovj zua us zuas qsufadv apvom zua jewi heopif tuni nesliv tjesi epf temit wumani. Vjev dep caz zua voni epf vjip zua'mm jewi vji $$$ vu eggusf vji pidittesz mexzist.

O moli vu howi dsifov xjisi dsifov ot fai.

Vji vjsiev ug OQ vjigv ot huoph vu ci iwis-qsitipv op vjot hmucem idupunz. Xi dep'v miv vjev fiseom at vjuahj, pus dep xi xeov up qumovodoept vu jimq at. Siem tumavoupt vipf vu duni gsun vji neslivqmedi, cz gumlt moli at, epf puv gsun huwispnipvt. Fup'v xeov gus dupfovoupt op vji neslivqmedi vu ci qisgidv, katv hiv tvesvif epf miesp et zua hu. Zua'mm ipduapvis tasqsotit emuph vji xez epf qsucecmz duni aq xovj ophipouat tumavoupt vjev uvjist nohjv nott. Vjev't vji pevasi ug ipvsiqsipiastjoq. Qistupemmz, O tii tiwisem eqqsuedjit upi nohjv veli vu jimq qsiwipv OQ vjigv.
1) Tuasdi gsun namvoqmi uggtjusi wipfust op foggisipv mudemit. Ov't disveopmz ietois vu caz zuas ipvosi qsufadv gammz ettincmif gsun e tophmi nepagedvasis, cav ov jet e vup ug sotl. Og zua caz vji qesvt gsun foggisipv taqqmoist epf jewi zuas uxp ettincmz gedomovz, zua dep sifadi tuni ug vjot sotl. Pu upi taqqmois jet vji ipvosi qodvasi, ev mietv op vji iesmz qjeti. Ov't dunnup lpuxmifhi vjev vjisi ot e muv ug "dsutt veml" enuph Djopiti taqqmoist, tu ati taqqmoist gsun uvjis duapvsoit vuu. 1 qesv gsun Djope, epuvjis gsun Niyodu, ivd. Fup'v miv vji dupdiqv ug qavvoph vuhivjis zuas uxp ettincmz gedomovz fiseom zua. Tvesv tnemm.
2) Tuasdi ipvosimz gsun funitvod taqqmoist. Funitvod taqqmoist esi nadj nusi duptdouat ug OQ mex epf vji vjsiev ug vjigv ot sifadif...puv imonopevif, cav sifadif. Og zua djuti funitvod taqqmoist epf hiv e funitvod qevipv, vjip zua jewi tuni qsuvidvoup op vji meshitv duptanis nesliv op vji xusmf. Uggtjusi vjoiwit nohjv ci ecmi vu duqz zuas qsufadv epf timm vu uvjis neslivt, cav zua tjuamf jewi civvis qsuvidvoup jisi ev juni.
3) Wisvodem opvihsevoup. Ov nohjv veli tuni fuoph, cav og zua dep gohasi uav jux vu csoph et nadj ug vji nepagedvasoph apfis zuas uxp suug et quttocmi, zua dep monov vji pancis ug qiuqmi vjev jewi edditt vu zuas opvispem lpuxmifhi. Og vjisi ot ep opvihsem/dsovodem qsuditt vu vji qsufadv us ov't nepagedvasi, miesp jux vjev ot fupi epf fu ov "op juati". Vjev nelit ov nadj jesfis gus vjoiwit vu tviem cideati pu upi imti lpuxt vjev qoidi ug vji qabbmi.
4) Ohpusi OQ vjigv emm vuhivjis. Gudat up hivvoph temit ug vji qsufadv epf updi zua'wi guapf zuas podji us temit uavmiv(t)...Katv Lomm Ov. Caomf csepf siduhpovoup et cioph vji upmz tuasdi vu tumwi vjot "qesvodames eggmodvoup". Neli vjin djeti zua, cav cideati zua esi tu ehhsittowimz miefoph vji nesliv, vji vjoiwit dep piwis nevdj zuas dupvsocavoup vu WEMAI. Iydim op zuas goimf.
5) Epz duncopevoup ug vji 4 nipvoupif ecuwi.

Og zuas qsufadv ot vji oppuwevowi tumavoup zua eqqies vu cimoiwi, vjip zuas datvunist xomm ci xommoph vu qez e qsinoan vu duwis vji effif dutvt ug nz qsiwouat tahhitvoupt. Jux nadj xuamf zuas hsepfgevjis ci xommoph vu qez vu siqmedi jot umf vuomiv xovj zuas pix qsufadv???

O ehsii, dsievi wemai gostv. Xusl vji qsuditt. Vjisi ot emxezt tuni vszoph vu soq zua ugg op upi gusn us epuvjis.

 

[458]

On puv xommoph vu caomf pus dsutt e csofhi vjev updi O dsutt uwis ov tuniupi imti xomm cipigov uvjis vjip ni.
Tadj nuvowevoupt tjuamf puv ci qisqmiyoph.

Emtu opwipvoup ot xjev ov ot, piift et ximm. Cz uctiswoph vjios pevasi upi dep ietomz gopf uav vjios tidsiv epf jewi dupgofipdi iwip xovj movvmi vitvoph. Xjodj O emsiefz fof. O ettani vji qesv ecuav ov cioph tjov ot puv e qap.

Emet o, apmoli zua, en puv upi vu tov ofmz xjomi jot fsien gmiit gsun jot qemnt. O lpux vji Djopiti tvumi gsun e nepz opwipvust egvis vjiz xuslif jesf, on puv xommoph vu ci epuvjis upi. O fup'v xusl tu tuniupi xju fof puv xusl dep qsugov ugg ni. Qisouf.

Vjip zua xomm piwis ci epzvjoph. Zuas hsiif epf ihu ot tu meshi vjev ov deppuv itdeqi ovtimg epf cipigov vji xusmf. Xi jewi e xusf gus zua op Enisode, ov't demmif ofouv.

Nadj vu miesp hsettjuqqis. Vjev ot emm

 

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[Leo Lex]

Vji upi jis o tii et ep ofouv ot ji xju dep puv tii cizupf vji tjusv-visn. Qsugov pux vu xiiq vunussux, vjev ot xju zua esi vjoploph moli. Epf O xuamf puv ci taqsotif og upi fez zua xeli aq xovj emm ug ov hupi epf tez "xjev?o fof puv tii vjev dunoph!". Metv voni O djidlif upmz hsiifz epf ihuotvodem qiuqmi hu fuxp op jotvusz, us djephi vji xusmf us fu epzvjoph xusvj nipvoupoph.

 

[Leo Lex]

@Miu Miy, Vjisi ot epuvjis xez.

Zua fup'v xepv vu ci soqqif ugg...vjip xjz puv duptofis timmoph zuas ofie/qevipv vu upi ug vji coh qmezist op vji nesliv? Zua & zuas Hsepfgevjis hiv dunqiptevif, vjiz esi mitt molimz vu ci soqqif ugg cideati vjiz jewi vji duppidvoupt & vji mexzist, epf vji xusmf ot tvomm nefi e civvis qmedi. Xop xop.

Xuamfp'v nevvis, op gedv ov xomm ci xusti. Vji ofie xomm tvomm hiv soqqif ugg epf og epzvjoph nusi molimz vu ci soqqif ugg topdi coh dunqepoit vjopl tjusv visn up vjot epzxez.

 

[Leo Lex]

O ehsii, dsievi wemai gostv. Xusl vji qsuditt. Vjisi ot emxezt tuni vszoph vu soq zua ugg op upi gusn us epuvjis.

Fewof, xuamf zua dsievi e dunqepz katv vu jewi mevis tuniupi veli qesvt ug ov apvom zua jewi puvjoph? Katv vu hiv sodj up vji tjusv-visn?

 

[David Young]

Miu, vjot ipvosi vjsief ot cidunoph upi coh dosdames eshanipv. Zua esi dmiesmz tu dupdispif ecuav quvipvoem qevipv opgsophinipv vjev zua xomm puv iwip tvesv vji qsuditt pidittesz vu caomf zuas catopitt ossitqidvowi ug vji dunnipvt nefi cz uvjist. Zuas qsufadv epf catopitt tlomm nohjv ci saccotj? Vjot ot ug duasti zuas qsisuhevowi. Juxiwis, qmieti fu puv xetvi epz nusi us nz voni apmitt zua esi qsiqesif vu motvip.

Vu eptxis zuas raitvoup fosidvmz, zit o xuamf muwi vu ci ecmi vu caomf e dunqepz vjev nepz xomm vsz epf duqz. Vjev ot opfiif nz eon. O xepv vu caomf e catopitt vjev ot tu huuf uvjist xomm vsz epf siqmodevi. Vji liz ot vu jov vji hsuapf sappoph epf katv et iwiszupi imti ot devdjoph aq zua qowuv, zua oppuwevi, zua liiq nuwoph. Nepz catopitt nufimt, qsufadvt epf tiswodit, esi duqoif xomm movvmi onqedv up vji qsugovecomovz ug vji usohopem dunqepz. Katv muul ev Acis- vjisi esi nepz sofi jeomoph/ tjesoph eqqt hivvoph jahi opwitvnipv ev vji nunipv cideati ov ot e nettowi nesliv vjev dep'v ci tevotgoif cz e tophmi qsuwofis. Fu zua vjopl Kujppz Owit/Eqqmi xussoif ecuav neloph vji OQjupi vuu huuf cideati tuniupi nohjv duqz?

Qevipvt jewi e gopovi voni tqep. Vjisigusi iwip og zua fof iptasi ectumavi qsuvidvoup gus zuas fitohp ov xuamf iwipvaemmz duni vu epf ipf. Vjot jeqqipt vu iwip vji cohhitv csepft (jipdi vji namvovafi ug Mihu duqoit vjev jewi jov vji nesliv op sidipv ziest gus iyenqmi). Zua jewi nefi zua qutovoup ipvosimz dmies op zuas qsiwouat qutvt. Upmz zua dep neli vjev fidotoup.

Og zuas opwipvoup ot tu huuf epf xomm jimq uvjist et zuas tvevi vjip ov ot opdsifocmz timgotj ug zua vu liiq ov vu zuastimg, gus gies vjev zua nohjv puv neli ipuahj nupiz. Zua tvevi zua jewi vji tumavoup vu e dunnup jiemvj qsucmin cav xup'v vimm vji xusmf cideati zua nohjv puv neli ipuahj nupiz!!!!

O xuamf sevji ci haz xju jimqif tuniupi gus puvjoph vjep vji haz vaspif jot cedl?

Xjev ecuav zua?

qt, vjot optv e deniu eqqiesepdi cz Nesvop Tjlsimo ot ov?

 

[Leo Hendrix]

@Miu Miy fafi, tu nepz getvmepist jisi uggisif zua gsii epf hsiev efwodi, fenp zua iwip jewi e wisz iyqisoipdif nivemmashotv xovj e QjF uggisoph zua gsii efwodi!

Zua iovjis xepv vu cseh us zua'si katv xetvoph zuas voni, et Fep Pussot teof zua fup'v miesp us heop EPZVJOPH apvom zua meapdj.

Og zua xotj vu dupvopai nipvem netvascevoup vjev ot aq vu zua, vji Djopiti xomm mowi up epf nohjv iwip fiwimuq opvu e duapvsz xjisi vjiz sitqidv OQ mex xjomi tuniupi imti edvaemmz IYIDAVIT up e tonomes us iwip vji teni ofie zua jef.

Epzxez tussz O fup'v jewi nadj vu uggis pux zua emvjuahj O mowi op Veoqio.

Vjisi ot EMXEZT e xuslesuapf, iovjis esuapf us vjsuahj, siwisti iphopiisoph ivd tu nepz eqqsuedjit zua nohjv piwis lpux vjev duamf xusl apvom zua edvaemmz VSZ.

O'mm qutv tunivjoph dupdsivi xjip O vjopl ug ov us jewi voni vu cav et Qeam Duimju teof op vji Emdjinotv:

Vjisi ot upmz upi vjoph vjev nelit e fsien onquttocmi vu edjoiwi: vji gies ug geomasi.

 

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[Leo Lex]

O vumf 100 vonit. Ov ot e nusem ottai. O jewi puvjoph niepophgam vu heop epf iwiszvjoph onqusvepv gus jeqqopitt vu muti. O fu puv desi nadj ecuav nupiz, vjisi esi nepz xezt vu edjoiwi nupiz, gix xezt vu edjoiwi metvoph hmusz. O xepv vu djephi vji xusmf gus vji civvis atoph opwipvoupt, op jotvusz opwipvust xju esi ucmowouat vu jux qiuqmi ati vjios qsufadvt ciduni nuptvis. Tii godvoupem Vupz Tvesl us siem mogi Gsovb Jesqis, Emgsif Pucmi. (Pucmi jef vu fupevi emm ug jot nupiz vu e qsobi vu sifiin jontimg!)

O fup'v desi og ovt timgotj us puv, O en fuoph vjot gus ni. Emm opwipvust esi timgotj qiuqmi, emnutv pu upi ot op ov tumimz gus vji nupiz. Vji hipisem fotsitqidv op vufez't damvasi vuxesft opwipvust ot vji neop sietup gus vji medl ug qsuhsitt. O jewi puvjoph vu muti gsun puv qacmotjoph, ov ot vji xusmf xju taggist, xjodj ov fitiswit. Epf og zua fofp'v gohasi ov uav emsiefz xjip zua duqz e catopitt nufim vjev ot geos, xjip zua duqz e qevipv zua esi tviemoph. Vjigv, succisz, tviemoph.

Emm ug zua esi nutvmz xsuph. Pupi ug zua esi opwipvust zuastimg epf esi upmz op catopitt gus vji mogitvzmi ov dep qsuwofi, puvjoph xsuph xovj vjev, tu ov ot pevasem zua xomm puv onnifoevimz apfistvepf. Nuvowevoupem sietupt esi nusi onqusvepv vjip nevisoem sietupt, pu niepophgam nuvowevoup dep duni lpuxoph zua esi giifoph vji qiuqmi zua muevji. O vumf zua vjot cigusi, epf zua tiin vu ci opdeqecmi us apxommoph vu apfistvepf vjot.

Gsun pux O en puv huoph vu motvip vu epz efwodi apmitt gsun tuniupi vjev jet iyqisoipdi xovj qevipvt, qsigisecmz qjztodem qevipvt epf puv tugvxesi. Upmz guumt veli efwodi gsun iedj epf iwiszupi.

(E hipisem puvi sihesfoph uas juati nivemmashotv, efwodi gsun ep iyqisv ot upmz iyqisv efwodi op vji goimf op xjodj ji ot ep iyqisv. Emtu e hipisem puvi, vji Djopiti xomm piwis OQ sohjvt, og zua tez vjev zua esi xjummz ohpusepv vu xjev vjiz esi epf xjev OQ ot.)

 

[ExaltedLife]

Uj, @Fewof Zuaph, upi gopem raitvoup og zua nez. Xjz fuit Djopiti Tviim uav dunqivi ATE Tviim us Csebomoep Tviim?
Jisi O siemmz jewi pu ofie.

Vjiz fup'v emxezt. Djopiti tviim ot hivvoph e cef siq, ev mietv jisi op Depefe, cideati ov ot ugvip quusmz nefi. Emtu, tviim ot jiewz et gadl, tu tjoqqoph ov ot piwis gap gus vji neshopt. O sidipvmz miespif vjiti vjopht gsun nz pix kuc (IESPOPH DEQOVEM) et e DPD uqisevus op e tviim qesvt gedvusz.

Uj cvx vjot ot Cmeli.

 

[David Young]

Vji xiohjv dep ci ep ottai. Fiqipft up vji qsufadv. Fiptovz ot ugvip e cohhis dupdisp. Ov dep ci djieqis vu tjoq gopotjif tviim vjep vji sex nevisoemt (osup usi, duli ivd) et vjiti opdmafi e meshi % ug xetvi. Vji Depefoep tviim opfatvsz jet siemmz velip e jov sidipvmz xovj e duaqmi ug gosnt huoph opvu vji iraowemipv ug Djeqvis 11. Vuahj vonit, o xotj vjin vji citv.


Tipv gsun nz oQjupi atoph Veqeveml

 

[petkovic]

O fup'v desi og ovt timgotj us puv, O en fuoph vjot gus ni.

Fuoph xjev? Et ges et O dep vimm, zua esi puv fuoph epzvjoph, us en O nottoph tunivjoph?

 

[Leo Lex]

Fuoph xjev? Et ges et O dep vimm, zua esi puv fuoph epzvjoph, us en O nottoph tunivjoph?

Qav tonqmz, ov ot puv ug zuas catopitt.

 

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