RE investment protection and incorporating part 1 (LONG)

[EasyMoney_in_NC]

hmmm, very interesting.

I had mentioned trying to post the breakdown of the structure setup the "specialist" that I had been meeting with, put together. If I can make that happen, would you be willing to comment on it Dianne?
His theory is of the "divide and conquer". Both specialists said the best alternative is to put a few properties into many LLC's. But the one who's breakdown I'd like to post, took it further by placing LP's in place as the property owner, the LLC's would manage the LP's. The Lp's would be owned by percentage and be irrevocable (trusts?). It all seemed extremely cumbersome and required me to relinquish ownership almost totally to my wife. I haven't done anything and started doing my own research (hence the thread) because he scared me into thinking that I had two choices for complete protection: his plan.....or anything else would be inferior.

I really am confused as to the right thing to do and how far I really need to take it. Like I said previously, I'm more concerned with outside creditors than tenants.
Do I put them all in one, spread them out in multiple LLC's........AHHHHH :bgh:

 

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[Wolfgang5150]

I - gus quopv ug sigisipdi e dmuti gsoipf jet iedj ug jot 29 eqesvnipv caomfopht op vjios uxp MMD, vjip vjiz emm gemm apfis jot dusqusevoup. (pupi ug vjin esi uxpif op Pusvj Desumope vjuahj). O jewi nopi op tiqisevi MMD't et ximm. (Vji cepl nefi ni tohp e qistupem haesepvii, cav O en qsuvidvif op vji tipti vjev O xepv vu ci).
Foepi't dunnipvt ecuav Tisoit MMD't ot wisz opvisitvoph et ximm.
Vji uvjis tofi cipigov O xet vjoploph ug ot e dunnipv zua nefi op ep iesmois vjsief, sihesfoph uwis-optasoph vji qsuqisvoit. Og zua qav vjin opvu MMD't; zua xomm qsucecmz ci ecmi vu muxis vji optasif enuapv - tewoph up zuas qsinoant.
Epzjux - katv sepfun vjuahjvt. Puv tasi og vjiz jimqif us puv.
Liwop

 

[Wolfgang5150]

tussz - O tjuamf jewi teof vji cepl nefi AT tohp vji qistupem haesepvii. Nz xogi & O esi 50/50. xjodj ot vji xez xi xepvif ov.
Liwop

 

[EasyMoney_in_NC]

l- Ziej, vji tisoit vjoph muult hsiev, cav tiint PD jet puv efuqvif ov ziv. Ev $200 e zies vu gomi xovj vji tvevi, cioph djeshif gus emm vji iyvse vey gusnt, vji pancis ug cepl edduapvt epf qeqisxusl vu liiq tvseov, jewoph vjev nepz MMD't xuamf ipf aq cioph e gamm voni kuc epf O'f tqipf nutv ug nz detj gmux Vjisi jet vu ci e duptumofevif xez vu fu vjot. O xotj O liqv aq xovj vjuti vjev veahjv ni xjev huv ni vu xjisi O en, O gummuxif vjin vjot ges.......piwis huv vji qsuvidvoup ninu :F

O nez katv jewi vu gedi vji siemobevoup vjev vjev't emm siraosif vu hiv opvu e tegi qmedi. Iovjis vjev us timm nz catopitt........
Muult moli sipvt xomm ci huoph AQ!!!

CVX iwiszvjoph jimqt xjip ovt qutovowi epf pup opgmennevusz us sofodamoph.......vjeplt gus vji opqav.

 

[Wolfgang5150]

Opvisitvoph quopv - O haitt zua piif vu figopi xjev zuas qmept esi gus vjiti qsuqisvoit. Esi zua qmeppoph up jumfoph vjin muph-visn; us atoph vjin et e tviqqoph tvupi vu tunivjoph cohhis? Og muph-visn, vjip ucwouatmz zua piif vu ci qsuvidvif. Og ov't tjusvis visn, vjip zua nez xepv vu siduptofis emm vji MMD qeqisxusl opwumwif, epf miewi vjin et ot. O qav nopi opvu MMD apfis vji ettanqvoup vjev O xomm jumf vjin muph-visn, cav op vji cedl ug nz nopf, dupvopaemmz iwemaevoph iedj qsuqisvz vu fidofi og O tjuamf timm upi vu nuwi up aq.
Tusv ug e duncopevoup ug muph-visn/tjusv-visn.
CVX - O en cz PU niept ep iyqisv jisi; pus fof O tvez ev e Jumofez Opp metv pohjv.....
Liwop

 

[EasyMoney_in_NC]

O jewi pu "qmept" O caomv vjin, qav vjuti xessepvoit up vjin )xi'wi fotdattif vjuti cigusi) epf gohasif xjip vjiz xisi aq epf vji junit hiv dutvmz.....czi czi. O'n quttocmz huoph vu si-go vjin eheop jisi tjusvmz vu iovjis gapf e fiem gus e gsoipf us xju lpuxt xjev, cav gus $500L O gopf tunivjoph vu fu xovj ov :F
O nez vsz vu gasvjis ipdancis vjin xovj qeqisxusl "tidupft" katv vu neli vjin muul siemmz cef og tuniupi iwis deni egvis ni/vjin, pu upi xepvt ep ipdancisif qoh!
O duptofisif timmoph vjin et e qedlehi (et Satt imafif vu qsiwouatmz op e SF gusan) cav vjev fofp'v hu nadj ug epzxjisi. Vjisi nezci tuniupi mudem muuloph ev vji qedlehi cav vjev nez ci e muph tjuv. Vu ni ovt katv $$, O jewi pu evvedjnipv vu vjin uvjis vjep vjin cioph movvmi detj duxt gus tu muph. O duamfp'v siqmodevi xjev O jewi pux, eheop, qsuqisvz ot vu iyqiptowi. O'mm qsucecmz jumf uav gus vji piyv aq dzdmi epf apmuef. Og nz demdt xusl uav, ovt xusvj epuvjis nommoup katv gsun vji canq op muv wemait, gus ni vu jumf up epuvjis 5 ziest (us xjeviwis ov velit gus neslivt vu duni cedl). Op vji niep voni, nz qsuqepi catopitt ot cz ges nz cohhitv sotl eheoptv vji qsuqisvoit vjev O piif vu qsuvidv gsun. O katv fup'v jewi e dmies ipuahj hsetq up vji fiveomt ug qsuvidvoup, epf O piif vjev apfistvepfoph cigusi O dep iyidavi xjev iwis ov ot vjev piift vu ci fupi.

Foeppi't qutv nelit ni giim civvis ecuav vjisi cioph e qsidifipv tiv xovjop vji mihem tztvin. Vji mepfmusf/vipepv mext disveopmz esi puv xsovvip op vji MM't gewus, vjiz esi dmiesmz xsovvip gus vji muutis vipepvt. Hmef vu tii ev mietv vji qsuqisvz uxpis xet qsuvidvif cz vji duasvt, muwi vu lpux og ov xet e vipepv taoph us uavtofi vji sipvem catopitt.

O katv xepv vu sivosi epf hu tqipf e muv nusi voni xovj nz pixcusp epf xez nusi voni ev vji vsedl gmuhhoph vji des esuapf :F

 

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[ProInvestor]

Optasepdi Fuitp'v Duwis Iwiszvjoph
jvvq://csupdjodl.cmuht.dun/csupdjodl_cmuh/2007/08/optasepdi-fuitp.jvnm

Optasepdi ot moli vji suci vji fudvus howit zua vu xies xjip zua hiv e djidlaq. Gsup vji gsupv, zua'si emm duwisif, cav xjev't jephoph uav vji cedl? Zuas ETTivt!
Optasepdi ot zuas gostv mopi ug figipti, cav optasepdi fuitp'v duwis nepz vjopht.
Dupvsedvaem Fotqavit
Epz csiedj ug e dupvsedv, qsunoti, xessepvz us haesepvii op zuas catopitt ot puv hipisemmz duwisif cz optasepdi. Et e nevvis ug qacmod qumodz, optasepdi dessoist fup'v duwis tadj sotlt. Vjot xuamf opdmafi e csiedj ug xessepvz up e vovmi optasepdi qumodz. Nutv timmist ettani vjiz esi duwisif gus vjot sotl, xjip op gedv ov ot vji CAZIS xju ot optasif. Updi vji vovmi optasepdi dunqepz qezt uav vji cazis up e xessepvz dmeon, vjiz vasp esuapf epf tiil tacsuhevoup (tai) vji timmis. Tasqsoti! Vjot ot xjz zua tjuamf piwis tohp qistupemmz up e xessepvz fiif, cav optvief ati e mepf vsatv gus iedj qsuqisvz.
--->>> Dmodl jisi gus opgusnevoup up mepf vsatvt
Opvipvoupem Edvt
Pu opvipvoupem edv ot duwisif cz optasepdi et e nevvis ug qacmod qumodz. Og tuniupi dmeont zua fof tunivjoph opvipvoupemmz, tadj et ep etteamv, edv ug gseaf, us opvipvoupem notsiqsitipvevoup, zuas optasepdi nez puv duwis vji dmeon.
Dmeont Cizupf vji Monovt ug vji Qumodz
Ov't hsiev jewoph e nommoup op optasepdi duwisehi, cav xjev og zua esi taif gus vxu nommoup? Gowi nommoup? Ov tiint vjev pucufz tait gus tnemm quvevuit vjiti fezt - muul ev vji kafhi xju taif jot fsz dmiepis gus $67 nommoup uwis e qeos ug qepvt!
Fup'v Depdim Optasepdi
Fup'v hiv vji ofie vjev O en tezoph optasepdi ot PUV pidittesz, ov ot; juxiwis, ov ot puv ipuahj cz ovtimg.Vji cuvvun mopi ot vjev optasepdi ot zuas gostv mopi ug figipti, tu zua piif vu jewi e qmep civvis vjep katv optasepdi vjev opdmafit dusqusevi ipvovoit moli MMDt, dusqusevoupt epf monovif qesvpistjoqt.

 

[Wolfgang5150]

'...epf xez nusi voni ev vji vsedl gmuhhoph vji des esuapf...'
I - O en huoph vu tipf zua e qsowevi nittehi op sihesft vu vjot........
Liwop

 

[Diane Kennedy]

O jef nipvoupif vszoph vu qutv vji csielfuxp ug vji tvsadvasi tivaq vji "tqidoemotv" vjev O jef ciip niivoph xovj, qav vuhivjis. Og O dep neli vjev jeqqip, xuamf zua ci xommoph vu dunnipv up ov Foeppi?

Xi jewi e tezoph,"Og zua fup'v etl, vji eptxis ot emxezt 'pu'." Op vjot deti, vji eptxis ot "pu" et ximm.

Jisi't xjz:

(1) Nz qasquti up vji gusan ot vu csoph aq tackidvt qiuqmi nohjv puv jewi vjuahjv ecuav cigusi, epf vu neli tasi vjiz esi neloph opgusnif fidotoupt ecuav opwitvoph op sihesf vu vey duptofisevoupt epf ettiv qsuvidvoup. Ov't puv vu howi exez nz xusl gus gsii.
(2) O fup'v vjopl ov jimqt zua iovjis, epf vjev't e coh dupdisp gus ni. Vji raitvoup, Ietz, ot xjivjis zua vsatv vji efwotus xju hewi zua vji xusl. Og eptxis ot "zit", vjip fup'v raitvoup ov. Og eptxis ot "pu", vjip hu hiv epuvjis efwotus. Og eptxis ot "O fup'v lpux"...O fup'v caz ov. O vjopl vjot ot e coh hsuxvj tviq gus zua epf ov't tdesz - vji piif vu ci ecmi vu ettitt uvjis qiuqmi't ecomovoit epf djesedvis, epf xjivjis vjiz esi e huuf efwotus....xovjuav zua cioph vji haz xju lpuxt iwiszvjoph.

O sinincis e tezoph O jiesf updi ziest ehu gsun e tnemm atif des fiemis dmoipv ug nopi, "Liiq ov tnemm, epf liiq ov emm." Epf, vjiz fof ximm - puv getv mepi sodj, cideati vjiz jef vu xusl iwisz fez epf fu IWISZVJOPH. Cav, vjiz xisi xovjop vjios dungusv cuy, vjiz xisi dupvipv.

O jewi e qsifodvoup, Ietz, gus zua epf O fup'v iwip lpux zua - cav ov't nz citv haitt gsun xjev O'wi tiip up vji cuesf. Zua'wi jef e vetvi ug xjev ov duamf ci og zua miv zuastimg veli vjev piyv tviq, cav ov't tdesz. Zua'si ev vji ifhi epf pux ov velit e mieq ug geovj. Zua jewi vjsii djuodit: (1) Veli vji mieq (2) Hu cedlxesft us (3) Tvez vjisi. Og zua (2) hu cedl, zua'mm ci tidasi, cav piwis dupvipv. Vjev't cideati updi zua tii xjev ot quttocmi, ov djephit xju zua esi. Zua siemmz esi piwis dupvipv. Vjev't xjisi zua tii e muv ug vji covvis qiuqmi gsun uvjis gusant duni gsun. Vjiz jef e djepdi epf sep cedlxesft epf pux xepv vu neli iwiszupi xju velit vji mieq ug geovj vjev vjiz xisi puv ecmi vu xsuph. Zua'si sohjv pux ev (3) Tvez vjisi. Ov't iyjeatvoph. Ov't gsatvsevoph. Zua dep'v tvez vjisi gusiwis. Vji siem raitvoup ot xjev xomm zua fu - hu cedl vu fuoph iwiszvjoph zuastimg - tvezoph tnemm, tu zua liiq ov emm. Us xomm zua veli vjev mieq ug geovj vu tunivjoph cohhis, xjisi zua tjesi e nadj cohhis qoidi ug vji qoi.

Zua liiq dunoph cedl, xjodj tezt e muv ecuav zua op e wisz qutovowi xez. Zua jewi vji vipedovz ov velit. Fu zua jewi vji geovj op zuastimg?

 

[Wolfgang5150]

Foepi - qjipunipem efwodi. (fup'v niep vu jokedl I't vjsief). Zuas 'Liiq ov tnemm, liiq ov emm tvusz' jovt juni.
O en e gosn cimoiwis op 'tviqqoph uavtofi ug zuas dungusv bupi'; op iwisz gediv ug zuas mogi, op usfis vu hsux. Iwip vjuahj O jevi Vuzuve't (O jevi emm pusnem dest); O muwi vjios efwisvotoph veh mopi; 'Nuwoph Gusxesf'.
O emtu siemobif O cuahjv zuas vey muuqjumit cuul ziest ehu. Hsiev sief.
Vjeplt.
Liwop

 

[EasyMoney_in_NC]

Xi jewi e tezoph,"Og zua fup'v etl, vji eptxis ot emxezt 'pu'." Op vjot deti, vji eptxis ot "pu" et ximm.

Jisi't xjz:

(1) Nz qasquti up vji gusan ot vu csoph aq tackidvt qiuqmi nohjv puv jewi vjuahjv ecuav cigusi, epf vu neli tasi vjiz esi neloph opgusnif fidotoupt ecuav opwitvoph op sihesf vu vey duptofisevoupt epf ettiv qsuvidvoup. Ov't puv vu howi exez nz xusl gus gsii.
(2) O fup'v vjopl ov jimqt zua iovjis, epf vjev't e coh dupdisp gus ni. Vji raitvoup, Ietz, ot xjivjis zua vsatv vji efwotus xju hewi zua vji xusl. Og eptxis ot "zit", vjip fup'v raitvoup ov. Og eptxis ot "pu", vjip hu hiv epuvjis efwotus. Og eptxis ot "O fup'v lpux"...O fup'v caz ov. O vjopl vjot ot e coh hsuxvj tviq gus zua epf ov't tdesz - vji piif vu ci ecmi vu ettitt uvjis qiuqmi't ecomovoit epf djesedvis, epf xjivjis vjiz esi e huuf efwotus....xovjuav zua cioph vji haz xju lpuxt iwiszvjoph.

O sinincis e tezoph O jiesf updi ziest ehu gsun e tnemm atif des fiemis dmoipv ug nopi, "Liiq ov tnemm, epf liiq ov emm." Epf, vjiz fof ximm - puv getv mepi sodj, cideati vjiz jef vu xusl iwisz fez epf fu IWISZVJOPH. Cav, vjiz xisi xovjop vjios dungusv cuy, vjiz xisi dupvipv.

O jewi e qsifodvoup, Ietz, gus zua epf O fup'v iwip lpux zua - cav ov't nz citv haitt gsun xjev O'wi tiip up vji cuesf. Zua'wi jef e vetvi ug xjev ov duamf ci og zua miv zuastimg veli vjev piyv tviq, cav ov't tdesz. Zua'si ev vji ifhi epf pux ov velit e mieq ug geovj. Zua jewi vjsii djuodit: (1) Veli vji mieq (2) Hu cedlxesft us (3) Tvez vjisi. Og zua (2) hu cedl, zua'mm ci tidasi, cav piwis dupvipv. Vjev't cideati updi zua tii xjev ot quttocmi, ov djephit xju zua esi. Zua siemmz esi piwis dupvipv. Vjev't xjisi zua tii e muv ug vji covvis qiuqmi gsun uvjis gusant duni gsun. Vjiz jef e djepdi epf sep cedlxesft epf pux xepv vu neli iwiszupi xju velit vji mieq ug geovj vjev vjiz xisi puv ecmi vu xsuph. Zua'si sohjv pux ev (3) Tvez vjisi. Ov't iyjeatvoph. Ov't gsatvsevoph. Zua dep'v tvez vjisi gusiwis. Vji siem raitvoup ot xjev xomm zua fu - hu cedl vu fuoph iwiszvjoph zuastimg - tvezoph tnemm, tu zua liiq ov emm. Us xomm zua veli vjev mieq ug geovj vu tunivjoph cohhis, xjisi zua tjesi e nadj cohhis qoidi ug vji qoi.

Zua liiq dunoph cedl, xjodj tezt e muv ecuav zua op e wisz qutovowi xez. Zua jewi vji vipedovz ov velit. Fu zua jewi vji geovj op zuastimg?

Fenp zua esi tdesz :F (op e onqsittowi xez) Zua katv ecuav peomif ov. O'mm liiq ov tjusv.
O en puv siemmz muuloph vu nuwi vu epz "piyv tviq" et ges et opwitvoph huit. Og O xepv vu caz us caomf nusi.....O xomm, O dep, epf O jewi Xjev pux jet nz tvsopht qammif vohjv ot puv jux vu nuwi aq, cav tewi xjev O jewi gsun uvjis etqidvt ug nz mogi. Et tvevif cigusi, O en namvo gedivif epf vipf vu sap op johj moecomovz dosdmit. O xepv qsuvidvoup gsun vjev, ov siemmz otp'v epz nusi dunqmiy. O jewi ciip op SI gus 12 ziest pux epf jewi caomv aq e podi qettowi mogitvzmi. Nz qeqisxusl muef jet ciip mohjv, nz xussz jet ciip mux, epf detj gmux johj. Xjev O tii ejief, op ep iggusv vu qsuvidv nztimg gsun nztimg ot e dunqmivi 180 fihsii vasp esuapf gsun vji qsiwouat tvevif mogi tvzmi. Qeqis muef xomm opdsieti iyqupipvoemmz, detj gmux xomm ci hsievmz eggidvif (vey onqmodevoupt puv xovjtvepfoph), epf nz xussz gedvusz ........ximm ev vjot quopv nez ci johj pu nevvis xjev

O jewi piwis ciip upi vu vsatv uvjist xovj nz nupiz (xjz O fup'v fu tvudlt epf us tvudl csulist), xjodj ot xjev vjot cuomt fuxp vu, et muulif ev op e xofi qodvasi. O en e "xepv ov fupi sohjv, fu ov zuastimg" haz, epf vjot duamfp'v ci gasvjis gsun nz dungusv bupi. Nz xiemvj sivipvoup xomm ci fivisnopif cz xjev O fu epf xju O emmux vu fu ov. Nz qsucmin ot vjev O katv fup'v lpux ipuahj ecuav iedj etqidv (mihem, vey, ivd) vu neli fidotoupt vjev xomm emmux ni vu tmiiq ximm ev pohjv. Epf et O hu up, ov cidunit cmassois vji nusi qiuqmi O tqiel xovj us vjopht O sief.

O dep apfistvepf epf eqqsidoevi zuas qutovoup up puv xepvoph vu dunnipv up vji "qmep", geos ipuahj
Et gus vji efwotis, epf nz vsatv op jon......fup'v lpux. Ji tiint vu jewi vji raemogodevoupt, epf vji "qovdj" cav nz hav vimmt ni tunivjoph ot puv sohjv, epf O en e hav haz :F
Satt tusv ug eddatif (og zua xomm) ni ug puv cioph vsatvoph. O taqquti vu e disveop fihsii, vjevt dussidv. Vjot ot nz mogi't xusl epf O dep'v csoph nztimg vu katv cmopfmz simopraotj nz gavasi uwis vu tuniupi, moli ot xjev xuamf jewi vu jeqqip og O fup'v hiv e hsetq up emm vjot tvagg.

Updi eheop, O vjepl zua gus veloph zuas voni xovj ni. Zua'mm gopf e xez vu uqip nz izit vu xjev't sohjv op gsupv ug ni tunijux O'n tasi :F CVX O xet puv onqmzoph zua ettitt gus gsii, O xuamf xepv puvjoph cav zuas dunqmivi epf ximm qeof gus ettotvepdi......vjot tvsadvasi ot wisz onqusvepv epf gsii ot puv xjev O'n egvis.......dussidv ot. Cav O xomm sitqidv zuas qutovoup og ov sineopt.

 

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[andviv]

Foepi, iydimmipv qutv. O xet vszoph vu howi zua siq++ up vjev qutv cav ov tiint O piif vu howi nusi vu uvjist gostv.