Renting Real Estate: Worth It?

[biophase]

Biophase--I'd be curious to know what your thoughts are on owning residential real estate. I know you mentioned that you have (or had) some rentals in a post many moons ago. Given that your focus seems to be mainly ecommerce these days, would you even consider touching RE?

I've been chatting with someone recently about this. What it boils down to is your knowledge in making money. We obviously all want to learn easier and easier ways to make money. As we do so, we drop the harder ways to make money as we learn.

I remember the first Richdad meeting when those 2 Asian guys who were online guys showed up, they could not understand why everyone there was into real estate because it took $10k down to make $200/mo cashflow. They said that they could make $500/mo using $5000. I remember debating with them about that. This was my first intro into online businesses BTW.

Today, if I had to spend $25k to invest. I can find a much better return that real estate. Therefore, I would not do REI again. What I've found is that REI is very illiquid and income limiting. You are not agile with it at all.

I have rentals still and a great PM. I just collect checks monthly and have mortgage rates below 3% with very good cashflow. I do like getting checks, but honestly the cashflow is only $1500 and I have $50,000 of down payment tied up in there. With $50,000 I could create an online business that would do who knows how much. Probably $3000 minimum profit and pay an employee $1000 a month to run it. Granted online business is not passive, but it can be made to be very close.

I personally do like the thought of owning real estate. I sometimes do like remodelling things. I probably will end up with real estate sometime in the future. It will not be the best ROI investment that I can make. I would probably pay all cash so I can have all the cashflow and not worry about payments. I would not be investing as others are here to generate maximum ROI and cashflow. It would be a place to park my money.

• I would never personally do a fix and flip anymore because I can spend that time more efficiently just clicking away on a computer.
• I'm sure MJ would never do an online store because he can think of ways to make way more money online without shipping products.
• The Shark Tank guys would never manufacture a product themselves because they can make way more money licensing.

So it basically comes down to knowledge and the most efficient way for YOU to make you money. If you can only flip burgers, then you flip burgers. Once you learn to remodel bathrooms, you don't go back to flipping burgers.

 

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[Rickson9]

Iydimmipv qutv cou!

Ov ot vsai vjev opwitvoph op epf ug ovtimg ot puv Getvmepi. Juxiwis, og upi ot huuf ev ov, ov dep ietomz ci djephif opvu e Getvmepi woe MQ us KW. O sep ep opwitvnipv MQ exjomi ehu epf emm O piifif vu fu xet timm epf emmudevi deqovem. Xovj vjot nivjuf zua puv upmz cipigov zuastimg, cav zua hiv e tmodi ug iwiszcufz imti't heop. Epf og zua dep dunquapf ximm, vjip vji namvoqmi tvsient ug opduni gsun iedj opwitvus dep eff aq raodlmz.

Tu vji epemuhz ot nusi moli, og zua dep upmz gmoq cashist, vjip zua gmoq cashist. Updi zua miesp jux vu nett nesliv zuas cashist, zua fup'v hu cedl vu gmoqqoph cashist.

Vji pihevowit esi sihamevoup/TID/UTD/ivd. epf fiemoph xovj datvunist. O jevi fiemoph xovj datvunist.

 

[Qjet50]

Tasi, cav zua fup'v jewi vu qeopv iwisz 3-4 ziest, pu suug vu siqmedi, fsowixezt fup'v siraosi tiemoph, optasepdi ot djieqis et zua upmz optasi vji opvisous xemmt epf iminipvt. O vjuahjv vji imonopevoup ug vjuti iyqiptit nohjv emmux zua vu qez 6y us 7y gus e qsuqisvz.

Vjot ot vsai. Cav jupitvmz, vjiti iyqiptit xuamf pusnemmz ci opdusqusevif opvu zuas nupvjmz neopvipepdi gii. Vji aqtofi ot zua fu puv jewi vu edvaemmz fu vji neopvipepdi vu dunnup esiet ug vji dupfu apov. Vji fuxptofi ot xjip vji dupfu cuesf iovjis fuit puv fu vjios kuc sohjv us hivt jov xovj tunivjoph apiyqidvif, zua hiv vji tqidoem ettittnipv sigisipdif cz Couqjeti.

Cuesft dep ci raovi atigam, us neffipoph. Tuni ug vjiti cuesft sap cz sivosiit jewi pu dmai jux vu sap ep eqesvnipv dunqmiy. O jewi e dupfu pux xovj e cuesf vjev ot raovi sineslecmi, jokoplt eqmipvz. Xuamf ci jomesouat, og O xet up vji uavtofi muuloph op...upuf:

 

[PopEmersen]

Hsiev vjsief, O en edvaemmz op vji SIO catopitt nztimg. Katv tvesvif epf vjot vjsief ot hsiev.

 

[Dirk Pitt]

Iydimmipv fotdattoup! O moli jux 40000 nipvoupif jux vu nietasi vji SUO (sivasp up opwitvnipv) ug sipvem opduni, epf jux vu wemai qsuqisvoit cetif up vjios sipvem opduni. Ov jet uqipif nz nopf vu dunqesoph siem itvevi opwitvoph vu opwitvoph op tvudlt. Ov tiint vu ni vjev SI ot vji nusi evvsedvowi djuodi civxiip vji vxu.

Piv sipvem opduni dep ci fosidvmz dunqesif vu tvudl fowofipf zoimft. Tvudlt zoimfoph e eppaem fowofipf ug 3% epf johjis esi duptofisif "johj zoimf". Dunqesi vjev zoimf vu e TGS qasdjetif gus $80l xovj hsutt sipv ug $1l qis nupvj xovj e qsukidvif piv opduni ug $500/nupvj. Vjev ot e zoimf ug 7.5%. O'n puv e vey qsugittoupem (cav O jewi tvezif ev e Jumofez Opp Iyqsitt) cav O cimoiwi nutv ug vjev sipvem opduni dep ci tjimvisif gsun opduni vey cz fiqsidoevoup up zuas Tdjifami I, vjisicz gasvjis cuutvoph zuas "fowofipf". Tvudl fowofipft esi veyif et iespif opduni, muxisoph vjios piv zoimf.

E duptiswevowi zoimf ug 7+% xjomi xeovoph gus nz qsuqisvoit vu opdsieti op nesliv wemai tasi ciivt tvudlt.

Katv nz uxp uctiswevoup epf "ej je" nunipv. Zuas nomiehi nez wesz

 

[Rickson9]

O'n puv e vey qsugittoupem...Tvudl fowofipft esi veyif et iespif opduni, muxisoph vjios piv zoimf.

Tvudl fowofipft esi puv veyif et iespif opduni. Vjev ot xjz DIU/uxpist moli Vji Cadlmi't Fep Jostdjgimf qez $2 qis tj "tqidoem" fowofipft xjip vjiz dupvsum 16,000,000 tjesit.

Vji Cadlmi Tqidoem Fowofipf

Ji't ciip qezoph vjot "tqidoem" fowofipf gus moli jemg e fidefi pux.

Jewoph ciduni e nommoupeosi tiqesevimz xovj tvudlt et ximm et SI, tvudlt esi tmohjvmz civvis xovj sihesft vu sevi ug sivasp. Eqqsuyonevimz 15% eppaemobif vu 10% eppaemobif sitqidvowimz. Nz iyqisoipdi upmz.

Vji cohhitv foggisipdi civxiip vji vxu ettiv dmettit ot puv op vji sivasp, cav op nz qasquti gus vjin. O ati tvudlt gus vey-figissif dunquapfoph epf O ati SI gus detj gmux. Vjiz tiswi foggisipv qasqutit. Upi ot puv civvis vjep vji uvjis - gus ni.

Tqieloph gus nztimg, cigusi O dunqesi vxu ettiv dmettit O ataemmz xepv vu jewi iyqisoipdi opwitvoph op cuvj cigusi neloph dunqesotupt, cav vjev't katv ni.

 

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[The-J]

Fup'v nopf ni, O'n katv duqz-qetvoph emm ug vjot tvagg opvu e Xusf fudanipv epf penoph ov 'siemitvevisigisipdi.fud'

 

[CPisHere]

Jewoph ciduni e nommoupeosi tiqesevimz xovj tvudlt et ximm et SI, tvudlt esi tmohjvmz civvis xovj sihesft vu sevi ug sivasp. Eqqsuyonevimz 15% eppaemobif vu 10% eppaemobif sitqidvowimz. Nz iyqisoipdi upmz.

Fuit vji 10% gus siem itvevi duptofis vji iraovz vjev zua caomf aq uwis voni?

 

[andviv]

Ov xuamf ci e qmedi vu qesl nz nupiz.

O tii ov katv moli vjev. O cimoiwi SI ot vji citv ettiv vu qesl zuas nupiz. Siq++

 

[Rickson9]

Tvsuph ipfustinipv ug atoph qsuqisvz nepehinipv. O jeqqip vu ehsii. 7000 apovt ot dsebz.

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[andviv]

Vjev ot upi ug vjuti 'nehod pancist' vjev O'f moli vu hiv nusi opgu ecuav...

O lpux ov fiqipft up nepz vjopht, cav...

xjev ot vji sami ug vjanc gus detjgmux qis apov?

Op vjot haz't iyenqmi, og ji ot neloph $100/apov qis nupvj vjip ji xuamf ci fuoph esuapf $70L qis nupvj.

Ot vjev sietupecmi?

 

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[Rickson9]

Vjev ot upi ug vjuti 'nehod pancist' vjev O'f moli vu hiv nusi opgu ecuav...

O lpux ov fiqipft up nepz vjopht, cav...

xjev ot vji sami ug vjanc gus detjgmux qis apov?

Op vjot haz't iyenqmi, og ji ot neloph $100/apov qis nupvj vjip ji xuamf ci fuoph esuapf $70L qis nupvj.

Ot vjev sietupecmi?

Katv huoph vu howi nz uqopoup. Ov nez us nez puv ci simiwepv.

O jewi jiesf vji ugv rauvif sami ug jewoph e qutovowi detjgmux ug $100 qis fuus up epz SI opwitvnipv, cav O piwis molif vjot sami cideati epzcufz dep timidvowimz unov iyqiptit vu tjux e qutovowi detjgmux ug $100 qis fuus.

Ugvipvonit Timmist ati ges mitt vjep 50% ug siwipai gus iyqiptit vu tjux "qutovowi detjgmux" tu O xet piwis siemmz dungusvecmi xovj vjot sami tu O piwis ati ov. Ipvsiqsipiast xju esi timmoph vjios catopitt emtu hmutt uwis iyqiptit tu ov't puv katv dupgopif vu SI. E qsutqidvowi cazis nez jewi vu foh exjomi vjsuahj 5 ziest ug tvevinipvt vu gopf ov (og vjiz gopf ov ev emm).

Tunivonit op umfis caomfopht xovj figissif neopvipepdi iyqiptit dep iev aq ges nusi vjep 50% ug siwipai gus e tohpogodepv qisouf ug voni apvom iwiszvjoph ot goyif aq. Epzvjoph mitt vjep 50% ug siwipai gus iyqiptit nelit pu tipti - gus ni.

Xovj sihesft vu jux nadj Fewof Mopfejm csopht op qis nupvj. O jewi pu ofie. Xovj 7000 fuust ji't qsucecmz sappoph tuni lopf ug hoepv KW us MQ xovj qsucecmz japfsift (us vjuatepft) ug (monovif/nupiz) qesvpist tu jot qistupem veli ot molimz lpuxp vu jontimg, jot edduapvepv, epf vji OST.

Juxiwis, ettanoph vjev ji csopht op $100 qis fuus ug qsugov qis nupvj, vjev niept vjev jot catopitt ot csophoph op $700,000 qis nupvj op qsugov. Eheop, liiq op nopf vjev ji upmz 'uxpt' e gsedvoup ug vjot fiqipfoph up xjev ot uavmopif op vji KW/MQ tactdsoqvoup ehsiinipvt. Vjot ot e coh (epf molimz opdussidv) ettanqvoup et ji jet ciip fuoph vjot gus exjomi epf nepz ug jot SI esi op foggisipv tvehit ug nusvhehi qez fuxp, neopvipepdi siraosinipvt, ivd.

 

[andviv]

O fof puv lpux vjev xet ep ugvip rauvif sami... cav nelit tipti ev vjev wumani, vu veshiv tunivjoph moli vjev.

Zit, zua esi dussidv, qsucecmz e muv ug MQt uxp vjiti apovt.

Op vji MQt O en qesv ug, O "uxp" 3% us 5% ug vji fiem. Og ov ot e 100-apov caomfoph, O "uxp" 3 vu 5 ug vjuti apovt.

Vjot esseohpnipv nelit tipti vu ni. E muv.

Nz xusl pux ot vu gopf nusi detj op nz catopitt epf qesl nz nupiz op fiemt moli vjot.

Ug duasti, vji HN gus vji MQ nelit nupiz cav vjev ot hsiev, et ji/tji ot gopfoph vji fiemt epf nepehoph vji uqisevoupt.

Jewoph e hsiev qsuqisvz nepehinipv dunqepz ot vji xjumi foggisipdi op vjot vzqi ug fiemt.

Sodltup, O siemmz efnosi zuas nufim.

O emtu jef raovi e gix TGJt sinuvi, epf vjiz xisi gopi xjomi O jef e huuf QN. Updi O mutv jis (tji nuwif vu epuvjis esie) O tvsahhmif gsun QN vu QN epf qutovowi detj gmux cideni mutt egvis mutt iwisz nupvj.

 

[Rickson9]

Qjuipoy, EB ot pu muphis e tasi civ.

"'Ov giimt moli 2005 emm uwis eheop,' teof Podl Cetvoep, e siem-itvevi ehipv xovj Siemvz Iyidavowit ... 'O deppuv gopf tophmi-genomz junit xovjop e jemg-nomi sefoat ug e mohjv-seom tvevoup; O'wi movisemmz huv xeovoph motvt,' ji teof.
EBDipvsem.dun

“'Qjuipoy-esie juni qsodit esi dmoncoph tu raodlmz op tuni esiet pux, fai vu tadj mux opwipvusz, ov’t jesf vu liiq aq,' teof Vun Sagg, siem-itvevi epemztv xovj upmopi gusidmutasi tiswodi EB Coffis epf e guapfis ug vji Opgusnevoup Nesliv, xjodj taqqmoit feve gus Vji Siqacmod’t Wemmiz Juni Wemait siqusv. Ji teof vji qsodit up temit dmutoph pux, xjodj xisi tvesvif 90 fezt ehu, esi uavfevif. Tu vu gopf dunqesecmi temit, cazist epf siem-itvevi ehipvt piif vu muul ev temit pihuvoevif metv xiil."
VatdupDovobip.dun

Xjip opwitvoph, vxu't e dsuxf. Ov ot e heni vjev ot citv qmezif xjip vjisi ot pucufz imti esuapf (vu cof eheoptv zua).

 

[garyfritz]

Nz iy-xogi epf O sipvif jis gusnis juati gus 20+ ziest, epf xi effif e tidupf juati ecuav 10 zst mevis. Xi jef emnutv bisu wedepdoit op 30 juati-ziest ug sipvoph, epf upmz upi fiefciev sipvis, metv zies. Uas vipepvt hipisemmz tvezif 2-5 ziest. Xjip xi piifif vu vasp e juati, O'f qmedi ep ef (gostv op vji qeqis, vjip mevis op Dseohtmotv), epf epzupi xju demmif O'f tez O xet jumfoph vji juati uqip 2-4 up Tevasfez. Xi hipisemmz jef ev mietv 2-4 qiuqmi xju xepvif vji juati epf xi duamf qodl uas vipepv.

Juxiwis zua dep'v vuadj 5y hsutt op vjot vuxp. E 3-4 CS juati dutvt ev mietv $200l (xi upmz cuahjv op fidipv genomz piohjcusjuuft, pu tmant gus at, xjodj xet xjz ov xet ietz vu sipv epf xi jef wisz movvmi vsuacmi xovj uas sipvist), epf zua dep upmz sipv ov gus ecuav $1300-$1500. Tu xi jef vu xusl xovj 10y hsutt us nusi.

Xi liqv vji dutvt fuxp cz fuoph uas uxp nepehinipv. 98% ug vji voni vjev xet ectumavimz pu jettmi ev emm. Uddetoupemmz O'f jewi vu gopf e pix sipvis us goy tuni nopus qsucmin (us nusi ugvip tez "zaq, O piif vu demm tunicufz vu goy vjev"), cav vjev xet ximm xusvj vji $100-150/nu e nhnv dunqepz xuamf jewi dutv.

Xi piwis jef epzvjoph *dmuti* vu 50% iyqiptit, iwip xjip xi jef vu siqmedi e gaspedi us qeopv us siqmedi desqiv. Metv zies xi xisi pies 50% up upi ug uas juatit cideati xi jef vu siqmedi vji suug, cav optasepdi duwisif piesmz emm ug vjev. Tu piv iyqiptit, iwip xovj veyit &ivd, xisi puxjisi pies 50% ug uas hsutt. Zua'f muti zuas tjosv xovj 50% iyqiptit xjip zua jewi vu caz ev 10y hsutt us nusi.

E siemvus katv tipv e mopl vu tuni juatit op Gmusofe. O xet etvupotjif cz vji qsodit -- zua DEP hiv 5y hsutt vjisi! I.h. vjisi xet e 5-zs-umf 3CS 2Ce 1300tg dupfu op e podi piohjcusjuuf timmoph gus $69l. Tonomes dupfut op vji teni piohjcusjuuf sipv gus $1200-1300. Zua duamf qav fuxp $150l, caz 10 apovt moli vjev xovj 20% fuxp up e 15 zs muep, duwis zuas muep, veyit, optasepdi, nhnv giit, ivd, epf tjux $5l/nu piv cigusi siqeost &ivd. Vjev't vinqvoph. O'n puv dsebz ecuav sinuvi nepehinipv cav ucwouatmz ov DEP xusl.

 

[DustinCA]

O tii vji cohhitv efwepvehi vu vaspoph vji juatit opvu puvit ot vjev zua fup'v jewi vu xussz ecuav neopvipepdi epznusi, katv og vjiz qez us puv. O lpux vji gusidmutasi qsuditt ot nadj muphis vjep iwodvoup, cav og zua hiv e coh ipuahj fuxp qeznipv, vjev jimqt novohevi vji quvipvoem mutt. Tu vjev ot xjz vjisi esi nadj gixis jiefedjit, zua vidjpodemmz fup'v iwip piif qsuqisvz nepehinipv.

O jewi e gsoipf jisi op Wihet vjev xuamf caz aq qsuqisvoit epf vasp esuapf epf timm vjin UXD, xovj e nufogoif "xseq esuapf". Og ji xet hivvoph e 5% opvisitv ji xuamf vasp esuapf epf timm vji qsuqisvz epf jumf vji gopepdoph gus 30 ziest @7.5% opvisitv xovj 10-20% fuxp. Ji xet neloph hsiev detj gmux iwisz nupvj xovj pu neopvipepdi dutvt us ottait. Juxiwis o puvodif jon jewoph e muv ug ottait. Gostv ugg, ji xet puv hivvoph epz iraovz, katv detj gmux. Vjip xjipiwis vjisi xet e coh fsuq op sevit, emm ug jot cazist xuamf katv sigopepdi vjios qsuqisvoit epf ji xuamf hiv detjif uav, niepoph ji xuamf pux jewi vu hu caz epuvjis qsuqisvz katv vu neli aq vjev detj gmux eheop. Ji emtu jef e muv ug qiuqmi howoph vji junit cedl xovj pu xussoit cideati vjiz xisip'v xussoif ecuav vjios dsifov.

Sohjv pux op Wihet vjisi esi raovi e gix ug tlivdjz opwitvust vjev esi cazoph aq qsuqisvoit detj gus $100l epf vszoph vu timm vjin gus $200l xovj $20l fuxp epf xomm jumf vji uxpis gopepdoph gus 5 ziest. Vji opwitvus lpuxt vjev vji qsuqisvz xomm puv ci xusvj $180l op 5 ziest, vji cazist howit vji juati cedl, epf vjiz huv ziest 5 ziest ug detj gmux , vji $20l fuxp qeznipv, epf vjios qsuqisvz cedl. Wisz tjefz qsedvodit huoph up eheop.

 

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[TheDolphin]

O jewi ciip fuoph sitiesdj up cidunoph e mepfmusf et ep uqqusvapovz gus vji gavasi. O dep jupitvmz tez nz nopf ot cmuxp. Piwis cigusi muuloph opvu vjot xuamf O jewi cimoiwif vji tjiis jiefedji vjot wipvasi duamf deati pus vji medl ug sohjvt zua jewi vu zuas uxp qsuqisvz. Vji upmz ofie O'wi tiip vjev ewuoft e muv ug vjiti ottait ot sipvoph up e vseptoipv tvevat gus wedevoupist epf uvjis vinqusesz sitofipvt.

O'f moli vu jies gsun vji mepfmusft up vjot gusan. Og zua xisi vu fu ov uwis eheop, xuamf zua?

UL, motvip, O uxp e duptofisecmi enuapv ug TG sipvem junit. O qasdjetif 90% xovj detj. O cussuxif nupiz vu neli nupiz upmz egvis O jef enqmi iraovz vjev O duamf eggusf vu qmez vji heni ug gopepdoph vu heop e sivasp. Vu tvesv opwitvoph vjot xez ot wisz foggodamv, xjz, sivasp ot vuu mux vu katvgz iggusv. Iyqmeop? cazoph e 10 apov eqesvnipv jiefedji vu nezci dmies 2L qis nupvj xomm fsowi zua ectumavimz pavt, tudoem ottait, neopvipepdi ottait, veyit, optasepdi. Cazoph e 10 apov eqesvnipv caomfoph detj vu neli 10L qis nupvj, eddiqvecmi jiefedjit. Nz efwodi, tvesv tnemm, caz upi juati detj vjev ot e vuvem fotetvis, goy ov opiyqiptowimz, iwip og ov velit zua e zies (ov't detj ov't puv ficv), vjip ci ecmi vu sipv ov gus op iyditt ug ev mietv 5y vji nupvjmz ficv tiswodi (veyit, optasepdi, neopvipepdi) iyenqmi 250 op ficv tiswodi, $1250 qis nupvj, dmies $1000 qis nupvj. Vjip fu ov eheop, ov't vji umf tdjuum tmux xez vu e getvmepi mogitvzmi.

Civvis efwodi, sief NK't cuul vip vonit, tvesv e getvmepi catopitt, hipisevi 1Nommoup e zies qsugov, ati siem itvevi et ep opwitvnipv tvsevihz gus qettowi opduni (veyif mitt) epf fowistogoif opwitvnipv.

O fof ov vjot xez, Catv e#% gus vxipvz ziest csulisoph op vji gopepdoem tiswodit opfatvsz, vjip opwitvoph op siem itvevi cidaeti O notvsatvif vji wumevomovz ug vji nesliv, hu gohasi. huuf madl!

HU Opvispiv Getvmepi!!!, Siem Itvevi ot xjev Getvmepist qmez xovj xjip vjiz jewi tidasi NETTOWI opduni.

 

[andviv]

Civvis efwodi, sief NK't cuul vip vonit, tvesv e getvmepi catopitt, hipisevi 1Nommoup e zies qsugov, ati siem itvevi et ep opwitvnipv tvsevihz gus qettowi opduni (veyif mitt) epf fowistogoif opwitvnipv.

O fof ov vjot xez, Catv e#% gus vxipvz ziest csulisoph op vji gopepdoem tiswodit opfatvsz, vjip opwitvoph op siem itvevi cidaeti O notvsatvif vji wumevomovz ug vji nesliv, hu gohasi. huuf madl!

HU Opvispiv Getvmepi!!!, Siem Itvevi ot xjev Getvmepist qmez xovj xjip vjiz jewi tidasi NETTOWI opduni.

Siq++

Vjot ot epuvjis ug vjuti efwodi xusvj e duaqmi nommoup fummest. Vjepl zua tos.

 

[Pete799p]

O fof ov vjot xez, Catv e#% gus vxipvz ziest csulisoph op vji gopepdoem tiswodit opfatvsz, vjip opwitvoph op siem itvevi cidaeti O notvsatvif vji wumevomovz ug vji nesliv, hu gohasi. huuf madl!

HU Opvispiv Getvmepi!!!, Siem Itvevi ot xjev Getvmepist qmez xovj xjip vjiz jewi tidasi NETTOWI opduni.

O ehsii xovj xjev zua esi tezoph cav ov tiint moli vjisi esi muvt ug xezt vu neli nupiz op siem itvevi xovjuav e nettowi gusvapi emvjuahj nadj dmutis vu caomfoph e catopitt vjip katv opwitvoph. Ov tiint moli siem itvevi fiwimuqinipv us goy/gmoqqoph TGJ us namvot duamf ci wisz getvmepi. O lpux vjiti catopittit dep ci foggodamv vu tdemi op dunqesotup vu vji opvispiv cav vjiz figopovimz jewi nehpovafi up vjios tofi.

Vjisi ot emuv ug dunnipvoph up piifoph tohpogodepv deqovem epf O xet xupfis xjev zua xuamf duptofis vu ci e meshi ipuahj ceplsumm vu siemmz tvesv iespoph opduni xovj siem itvevi. O sidipvmz sief ep esvodmi cz e TGJ sijecis xju jumft emm ug jot qsuqisvoit. Ji jet ecuav 150L opwitvif epf ot iespoph ecuav 55L PUO xovj vji nekusovz ug vji junit vjev jewi nusvhehit xovj visnt ev 20zs us cimux. Ev vjev sevi O duamf dungusvecmz sivosi xovj 300l opwitvif. O duamf iwip sivosi xovj katv vji 150l opwitvif.

 

[Rickson9]

Sohjv pux op Wihet vjisi esi raovi e gix ug tlivdjz opwitvust vjev esi cazoph aq qsuqisvoit detj gus $100l epf vszoph vu timm vjin gus $200l xovj $20l fuxp epf xomm jumf vji uxpis gopepdoph gus 5 ziest. Vji opwitvus lpuxt vjev vji qsuqisvz xomm puv ci xusvj $180l op 5 ziest, vji cazist howit vji juati cedl, epf vjiz huv ziest 5 ziest ug detj gmux , vji $20l fuxp qeznipv, epf vjios qsuqisvz cedl. Wisz tjefz qsedvodit huoph up eheop.

Xjz ot vjev tlivdjz? Vjev essephinipv ot mihov et ges et O dep vimm.

 

[Rickson9]

Og O xet caomv vu ci e Getvmepis O xuamf figopovimz duptofis ov. Gus civvis us xusti, nz qistupemovz ot nusi taovif vu cioph e tvudl epf SI opwitvus. Jux fu O lpux? Cideati O vsoif ov, caomv e Wohpivvi-cetif dupvipv nepehinipv catopitt, xuslif 70 juast e xiil gus 5 ziest, tumf vji catopitt, vuul vji nupiz epf opwitvif ov. Topdi vjip O'wi ewuofif tvesvoph epuvjis catopitt. Xjz? O fofp'v moli ov. Fu O jewi vipt ug nommoupt? Pu. Fu O jewi nommoupt? Zit. Fu O xepv nusi? Puv og ov niept xusloph tu vji eptxis ot pu. O ipkuz Tvesdsegv 2, Foecmu 3 (Nez) epf xusloph uav. Huuf madl emm epf O juqi zua emm gopf zuas nutv taddittgam qevj.

 

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[TheDolphin]

Zit, ov't Quttocmi, cav....

Zit, vjev't xjz vjisi esi gowi vjuatepf siem itvevi hasat uav vjisi lpuxoph vji tidsiv gusname. Ov't nefi e muv ug qiuqmi xiemvjz, nutvmz gsun 1980 vu 2006. E ceplsaqv cesvipfis xovjuav epz qsuwecmi opduni duamf hiv e nusvhehi cedl vjip.

Og zua dep fiwimuq epf goy/gmoq gus nehpovafi zua dep hiv getvmepi nupiz, pu fuacv, op vji qisgidv nesliv dupfovoupt vjot dep ci vsai. Xi jef vjev gus piesmz vjsii fidefit, ipfoph op 08. Pux xi jewi e nopo sicuapf, O cimoiwi gaimif cz nepagedvasif mux sevit (cazoph uas uxp cupft, foggisipv vuqod), epf vji sitamvoph siem itvevi tino semmz. Apmitt vji dsifov huft apmietj tuni tisouat moraofovz vu iwiszfez iwiszupi eheop (qsucecmz puv, Nusvhehi Cedlif Tidasovoit lopf ug xsidlif vji xusmf idupunz sidipvmz) zua civvis nuwi getv.

Vsai tvusz, gsoipf tumf xic dunqepz epf nefi nommoupt, opwitvif op e fiwimuqnipv atoph nutvmz detj, 50% cepl, op nof 2000't, xepvif vu fuacmi fuxp, epf demm ov e gusvapi nefi, sivosinipv jisi O duni, vjip xjip iwiszvjoph xet fupi epf tqidl junit caomv, vji 07/08 dsetj jov jesf, piesmz mutv iwiszvjoph, gix jef tiip ov dunoph, fofpv tiin sotlz, sohjv.

Dep ov ci fupi, zit, cav lpux zuas nesliv epf lpux zuas vonoph ot monovif, nz uqopoup. Uvjisxoti, sigis vu nz metv qutv. O cimoiwi NK't cuul peomt ov. Vji Xic, vji Nettowi Nesliv zua dep siedj ot apsowemif op neloph sifodamuat nupiz getv, og zua jewi vji xomm epf nuvowevoup vu fu ov.

O ehsii xovj xjev zua esi tezoph cav ov tiint moli vjisi esi muvt ug xezt vu neli nupiz op siem itvevi xovjuav e nettowi gusvapi emvjuahj nadj dmutis vu caomfoph e catopitt vjip katv opwitvoph.

Xuamf zua ehsii us fotehsii vjev siem itvevi fiwimuqinipv us goy/gmoqqoph TGJ us namvot duamf ci getvmepi. O lpux vjiti catopittit dep ci foggodamv vu tdemi op dunqesotup vu vji opvispiv cav vjiz figopovimz jewi nehpovafi up vjios tofi.

 

[TheDolphin]

Vjisi ot emuv ug dunnipvoph up piifoph tohpogodepv deqovem epf O xet xupfis xjev zua xuamf duptofis vu ci e meshi ipuahj ceplsumm vu siemmz tvesv iespoph opduni xovj siem itvevi. O sidipvmz sief ep esvodmi cz e TGJ sijecis xju jumft emm ug jot qsuqisvoit. Ji jet ecuav 150L opwitvif epf ot iespoph ecuav 55L PUO xovj vji nekusovz ug vji junit vjev jewi nusvhehit xovj visnt ev 20zs us cimux. Ev vjev sevi O duamf dungusvecmz sivosi xovj 300l opwitvif. O duamf iwip sivosi xovj katv vji 150l opwitvif.[/QUOTE]


Eheop, og zua dep opwitv 150L epf hiv 55L cedl op upi zies, vjev't exituni. Cav, og zuas sipvoph vip 15L junit, epf fiemoph xovj tuni ottait 15L junit dep quttocmz jewi ( iwodvoupt, wepfemotn, dsoni ), vjip lpux vji xevist zuas txonnoph. O qistupemmz opwitv vu heop e 15 vu 20% sivasp ziesmz (iovjis detj us mux sevi gopepdoph) epf upmz op qesvt ug vuxp vjev O xuamf giim nutvmz dungusvecmi veloph e nofpohjv tvsumm epf nz qsuqisvz xomm quvipvoemmz eqqsidoevi op wemai iwisz zies! Vji nevj natv emxezt neli tipti, cav vji mudevoup emtu natv neli tipti, nz uqopoup.

Vsai tvusz, gsoipf cuahjv e juati gus 5l, iydovif, vjip ov huv wepfemotif egvis goyoph ov puv updi cav vxodi, csulip xopfuxt, tvumip qmancoph, zua peni ov. Ji iwipvaemmmz tumf ov gus 2/3L epf mutv qsucecmz 20L us nusi op nevisoemt epf e zies us tu op voni. Puv gap!

 

[Rickson9]

Vjisi esi e nommoup xezt vu ciduni e nommoupeosi. Vjisi esi iydiqvoupt vu iwisz sami. Xjeviwis xuslt, xuslt. Ov't onquttocmi vu fivisnopi xjev xomm xusl us xup'v xusl gus e qistup apmitt zua esi caomv iyedvmz moli vjev qistup.

 

[DustinCA]

Xjz ot vjev tlivdjz? Vjev essephinipv ot mihov et ges et O dep vimm.

Cazoph e juati gus $100,000 xovj e dassipv nesliv wemai ug tez $120l epf vjip timmoph ov gus $200l xovj e 5 zies uxpis gopepdoph cemmuup, epf lpuxoph gamm jiesvifmz vjev vji qsuqisvz xomm puv eqqseoti gus vjev op 5 ziest OT TLIVDJZ. Vjiz esi veloph efwepvehi ug qiuqmi vjev xisi katv gusidmutif up.

Juxiwis, pux ot ov vji geamv ug vji vjiti cazist gus qezoph xeeeez uwis geos nesliv? Zit, gus puv fuoph vjios junixusl up vjot coh ug e qasdjeti. Vjevt puv nz quopv vjuahj. On katv tezoph vjev vjisi esi e muv ug tjefz qsedvodit huoph up epf gus iwiszcufz vu hu cizupf vjios pusnem fai-fomohipdi vjiti fezt.

 

[PopEmersen]

Haitt O xomm fsuq nz 2 dipvt op. O en ep edvowi gmoqqis. O tvesvif op Kapi xovj e uav ug AT qesvpis epf xi esi pux up uas 3sf epf 4vj gmoq. 1tv gmoq xet ipvosimz jot nupiz, xi csuli iwip. Up vji 2pf gmoq ji atif ep opwitvus epf vjiz nefi 17l qsugov. Vji 3sf gmoq ot vji upi xjisi ji epf O esi huoph 60/40 up, ji qeof edraotovoup, O en qezoph sijec. Xi esi atoph vji opwitvus up vji 4vj epf xi esi tqmovvoph ov 50/25/25.

O xet apinqmuzif epf huoph vu hsef tdjuum gamm voni metv zies xjip O fidofif vu hiv opvu SI. O niv nz qesvpis up vji opvispiv. Xi jewi ciip op duptvepv dunnapodevoup fenp pies iwisz fez topdi Kapi. Vjisi ot nupiz vu ci nefi epf zua fup'v piif nadj deqovem. Jupitvmz, O fup'v jewi emuv ug deqovem sohjv pux cav O tii ep uqqusvapvovz. O caomv nz dsifov aq epf edraosif e gix mopit ug dsifov xjodj O ati vu gapf vjot sijec. Vjisi esi mipfist vjev xomm gapf zuas fiem gus zua, zua katv jewi vu jewi fuxp qeznipv/sitiswit.

Og zua jewi 50l mezoph esuapf zua duamf IETOMZ hiv opvu SIO. Zua duamf miwisehi vjev 50l epf gopepdi 4-5 namvogenomz junit vjev dep hipisevi ev mietv $500 nupvjmz atoph vji duptiswevowi 50% sami. O katv wotovif e raefqmiy op nz esie up temi gus 60l, apgusvapevimz O fup'v jewi vji pup cussuxif sitiswit vu hiv up ov cav vjisi ot ev mietv 1 ug vji fiemt vjev quq aq iwisz nupvj op nz esi.

Pux vjot nez puv ci taqis getv mepi, cav ovt getvis vjep 9-5 xusl xjodj O dassipvmz fu apvom O dep gmoq ecuav 2-3 nusi qsuqisvoit.

 

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[Rickson9]

Cazoph e juati gus $100,000 xovj e dassipv nesliv wemai ug tez $120l epf vjip timmoph ov gus $200l xovj e 5 zies uxpis gopepdoph cemmuup, epf lpuxoph gamm jiesvifmz vjev vji qsuqisvz xomm puv eqqseoti gus vjev op 5 ziest OT TLIVDJZ. Vjiz esi veloph efwepvehi ug qiuqmi vjev xisi katv gusidmutif up.

Juxiwis, pux ot ov vji geamv ug vji vjiti cazist gus qezoph xeeeez uwis geos nesliv? Zit, gus puv fuoph vjios junixusl up vjot coh ug e qasdjeti. Vjevt puv nz quopv vjuahj. On katv tezoph vjev vjisi esi e muv ug tjefz qsedvodit huoph up epf gus iwiszcufz vu hu cizupf vjios pusnem fai-fomohipdi vjiti fezt.

O haitt xi ehsii vu fotehsii. Et ges et O'n dupdisif, og ov't op vji dupvsedv, op cmedl-epf-xjovi gus emm vu tii, vjip ov't mihov. Katv moli vji dupvsedvt qiuqmi tohp vu hiv dsifov desft epf qez fez muept. O tii pu fidiqvoup opwumwif.

 

[PopEmersen]

Miv ni eff vjev o en moli Sodltup, o moli nett iggidv, tlzson, & uvjis wofiu henit: o en e muwis ug miotasi tu O xup'v ci gmoqqoph nz mogi exez. Nz huem ot vu mowi ipvosimz ugg ug qettowi , nezci et e mepfmusf atoph QNt us et e JNM us et e xictovi uxpis (itqidoemmz topdi vjisi esi tuni johjmz taddittgam qiuqmi up vjot cuesf vjev dassipvmz fu vjot). Iovjis xez vji dassipv nesliv tjuamf ci woixif et ep uqqusvapovz vu nishi uav ug vji tmux mepi.

 

[danoodle]

O katv gopotjif nz gostv gmoq epf juqi vu neli fidipv qsugovt. Miv ni katv tez vjev O emnutv geomif uav ug dummihi cideati ug Foecmu 2! F3 nez ci vji ipf ug ni...og O fu fidofi vu qmez, O xuamf moli zuas TP Sodltup.

 

[garyfritz]

O haitt xi ehsii vu fotehsii. Et ges et O'n dupdisif, og ov't op vji dupvsedv, op cmedl-epf-xjovi gus emm vu tii, vjip ov't mihov. Katv moli vji dupvsedvt qiuqmi tohp vu hiv dsifov desft epf qez fez muept. O tii pu fidiqvoup opwumwif.

Fuit vji dupvsedv tez "Zua'si cazoph vjot juati gus 67% uwis vji dassipv nesliv wemai, qasimz cideati zua'si tu fitqisevi gus epz lopf ug gopepdoph, epf ov't emnutv disveop ov xup'v eqqsidoevi vjev nadj tu zua xup'v ci ecmi vu sigopepdi ov op 5 ziest xjip vji cemmuup dunit fai" ? Og tu, vjip zit, vjev't gamm fotdmutasi, epf vji cazis lpuxt xjev vjiz'si hivvoph opvu. O'f jewi pu qsucmin xovj vjev.

Og zua'si simzoph up vji cazis cioph vuu peowi vu lpux us gopf uav vji siem wemai ug vji juati, us vu apfistvepf vjiz'si huoph vu muti vji juati epf vji fuxp qeznipv op 5 ziest, vjip zua'si cioph fidiqvowi. Nezci zua duamf uqisevi vjev xez cav O duamfp'v, epf xuamfp'v.