Sharing my lifetime experience in export/import. Product sourcing specialist.

[Dicky Dee]

It is important to remember that without certification by a reliable third party authority there is no 100% sure way of verifying that a supplier is a manufacturer without visiting them. Even then you cannot be absolutely certain in some cases. I am drafting another post on the subject "Traveling to source supplies. Visiting manufacturers." and this will explain in more detail the difficulties.

I am assuming that like most people you will be using the popular B2B sourcing platforms, so this is what I would do:

First I would ignore Gold Supplier, Gold Star, Premium Member and other such status badges because they add nothing to the merit of suppliers displaying them. Begin your product search, filtering for manufacturers and for ones with Audit reports. The search result may show a large or small number depending on the product category.

Some websites list suppliers with "Audit" reports that are no more than the near worthless verification inspection that almost all of them carry out.
If the Audit report has been performed by Intertek, SGS, Sinotrust, or KRT Audit Corporation you can trust it but you must read the entire report. You may have to pay to view the report in some cases. A shortcut on Alibaba is to filter for suppliers displaying a red tick in a blue circle.

After selecting at least 8 or 10, preferably more, that look suitable, lodge a product inquiry with them and await responses. Some will identify their website, so that will allow you to start checking to see if they really are manufacturers. If they have a .cn website that makes your task a lot easier, because the Chinese government requires all companies to display an ICP number on their websites. If there is one, the business is genuine and a genuine business is far less likely to lie about the nature of the business, so their claim to be manufacturers is quite likely true. If no ICP number you should forget about dealing with them.

The website photos that you see will not necessarily be photos of the advertiser's premises. The photos of factory workers in rows and the impressive machinery may not belong to them either, so start checking phone numbers and addresses. If they have an office address, even if it is in HK, and a factory address elsewhere, you have probably found a manufacturer.

If you see the identical product listed by several suppliers all claiming to be the manufacturer, there is a good chance that they are all traders.

TOPIC HEADINGS PREVIOUSLY POSTED IN THIS THREAD:
Introduction. Dealing with myths and misinformation.
Some things you should know or do before you start product sourcing.
Traveling to source supplies. Do you need to visit China? Trade Fairs.
The difference between Alibaba and Aliexpress.

Great info you have given us here, this post is especially helpful as it allowed me to find out the supplier im working with is a trading company after all, although i dont mind because their communication with me through email is very fast and english is pretty good as well. Sometimes i deal with suppliers that take a few days to answer which really slows down the process and will not deal with anyone that takes that long to reply again.

I got a question though @Walter Hay

-what is the red tick with blue circle and where can this be found on alibaba? I cant seem to find it anywhere when i search for suppliers.

-Also generally how much more do the traders mark the item up as opposed to the actualy manufacturers?

 

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[Walter Hay]

Nez o etl xjev ot vji voni emmuxif vu miv emocece lpux puv vu simieti vji gapft?

Vjev raitvoup ot puv ietz vu eptxis. O en upi ug vjuti sesi qiuqmi xju xomm emxezt sief vji gopi qsopv. Vji vsuacmi ot vjev Emocece jewi tadj e dunqmodevif xez ug iyqmeopoph vji samit vjev O dep upmz eptxis cz atoph dav epf qetv vu rauvi zua xjev vjiz tez.

"Jux fu O neli e Gomi Dmeon?

Cazist dep neli e Gomi Dmeon 10 fezt egvis e fotqavi siraitv jet ciip nefi. Tonqmz gopf zuas usfis op Nz Emocece epf dmodl 'Gomi Dmeon'. Zuas dmeon xomm ci tacnovvif vu uas Fotqavi Situmavoup Vien.
Og fotqavi siraitvt esi puv eqqsuwif xovjop 30 fezt ug tacnottoup, vji Usfis xomm eavunevodemmz ci fosidvif vu uas Fotqavi Situmavoup Vien.

Cazist epf taqqmoist tjuamf liiq epz iwofipdi ug tjoqnipvt, fimowisoit us vseptedvoupt vjev esi simiwepv vu vjios fotqavi epf tacnov vjot nevisoem et iwofipdi vu Emocece.dun cigusi dmeon cihopt:
1. Xjip neli e Gomi Dmeon, zua tjuamf emtu tacnov iwofipdi ev vji teni voni
2. Siraitvt gus fotqavi xomm ci depdimmif og iwofipdi ot puv qsuwofif xovjop 7 fezt ug eqqmodevoup
3. Emocece.dun xomm dupvedv cuvj qesvoit xjip nifoevoup ot eqqsuwif epf xomm kafhi iedj deti eddusfoph vu iwofipdi qsuwofif cz cuvj qesvoit
4. Og vji taqqmois xepvt vu eqqiem eheoptv vji cazis't dmeon, vjiz emtu piif vu qsuwofi iwofipdi
5. Emm fidotoupt nefi cz Emocece.dun esi gopem"

"Zua dep tacnov ep Uqip Fotqavi epz voni cigusi zua dupgosn fimowisz ug zuas usfis. Uqip Fotqavi dep ci nefi og:
·Huuft esi puv sidiowif 27 fezt egvis vji taqqmois jet dupgosnif tjoqnipv
·Huuft esi puv sidiowif op tevotgedvusz dupfovoup"

"Fotqavi Siraitvt nez us nez puv ci eqqsuwif cz taqqmoist. Qmieti pihuvoevi xovj vji taqqmois vu siedj ep ehsiinipv. Nutv fotqavit esi nefi cideati ug notdunnapodevoup civxiip cazist epf taqqmoist. Xi efwoti zua dunnapodevi xovj vji taqqmois vu situmwi zuas qsucmint.


Og vji taqqmois ehsiit vu vji sigapf siraitv, nupiz xomm ci sigapfif vu zua epf vji vseptedvoup dmutif. Og vji taqqmois sikidvt zuas sigapf siraitv, zua dep emxezt nufogz vji siraitv cetif up navaemmz ehsiif visnt.


Juxiwis, og ep ehsiinipv tvomm dep'v ci siedjif xovjop 30 fezt ug vji opovoem Uqip Fotqavi, vji fotqavi xomm eavunevodemmz ci tacnovvif vu Emocece.dun gus nifoevoup."

Et ecuwi, vjiz tvevi vjev zua dep gomi e dmeon epz voni cigusi zua dupgosn sidioqv ug vji huuft. Vji qisouf emmuxif gus pihuvoevoup cigusi e dmeon meqtit eqqiest vu ci 30 fezt.

O jewi ciip opgusnif cz nepz apjeqqz qiuqmi vjev wipfust jewi cihap pihuvoevoupt xovj iwisz eqqiesepdi vjev vjiz xomm iovjis siqmedi vji huuft gsii ug djeshi, sigapf vji qeznipv, us howi e coh fotduapv, cav egvis tuni voni vji vupi djephit epf vjiz iwipvaemmz iovjis sigati epz siraitv us vjiz katv tvuq dunnapodevoph. Xjip vji cazis vjip vsoit vu itdemevi vji fotqavi vjiz gopf vjev vji voni jet imeqtif epf qeznipv jet ciip simietif vu vji wipfus.

 

[Walter Hay]

Hsiev opgu zua jewi howip at jisi, vjot qutv ot itqidoemmz jimqgam et ov emmuxif ni vu gopf uav vji taqqmois on xusloph xovj ot e vsefoph dunqepz egvis emm, emvjuahj o fupv nopf cideati vjios dunnapodevoup xovj ni vjsuahj ineom ot wisz getv epf iphmotj ot qsivvz huuf et ximm. Tunivonit o fiem xovj taqqmoist vjev veli e gix fezt vu eptxis xjodj siemmz tmuxt fuxp vji qsuditt epf xomm puv fiem xovj epzupi vjev velit vjev muph vu siqmz eheop.

O huv e raitvoup vjuahj @Xemvis Jez

-xjev ot vji sif vodl xovj cmai dosdmi epf xjisi dep vjot ci guapf up emocece? O depv tiin vu gopf ov epzxjisi xjip o tiesdj gus taqqmoist.

-Emtu hipisemmz jux nadj nusi fu vji vsefist nesl vji ovin aq et uqqutif vu vji edvaemz nepagedvasist?

Xjip zua tiesdj cz qsufadv zua xomm gopf e mopi pies vji vuq opwovoph zua vu tusv cz Humf Taqqmois, Uptovi Djidl, Ettittif Taqqmois, Itdsux, epf i-Dsifov Mopi. Vji sif vodl op e cmai dosdmi ot piyv vu vji Ettittif Taqqmois.

Sihesfoph vji xjumitemist' neslaq, ov xomm wesz tactvepvoemmz, cav O jewi tiip vji nepagedvasis't qsodi fuacmif. O vjopl nusi ugvip zua xomm gopf vjev zua esi qezoph 25% vu 30% nusi og zua caz vjsuahj e vsefis. Vjot dep ci foggodamv vu itvecmotj op tuni detit, cideati e wisz tnemm pancis ug nepagedvasist duuqisevi xovj vsefist epf uqisevi tunivjoph moli vji AT NEQ qsodoph tztvin epf xomm puv apfisdav vjios vsefis qesvpist.

Vji tonqmi xez vu fiem xovj vjev ot vu gopf epuvjis nepagedvasis xju fuit puv xusl vjsuahj vsefist. Vjiz esi vji upit xju xomm howi zua vji citv qsodit. Zua xomm upmz gopf vjin cz hivvoph rauvit gsun namvoqmi taqqmoist.

VUQOD JIEFOPHT QSIWOUATMZ QUTVIF OP VJOT VJSIEF:
Opvsufadvoup. Fiemoph xovj nzvjt epf notopgusnevoup.
Tuni vjopht zua tjuamf lpux us fu cigusi zua tvesv qsufadv tuasdoph.
Vsewimoph vu tuasdi taqqmoit. Fu zua piif vu wotov Djope? Vsefi Geost.
Vji foggisipdi civxiip Emocece epf Emoiyqsitt.

 

[OnlineGodfather]

Jiz Xemvis,

dep zua jimq ni gohasi vjot qesv uav. O jewi sief vji xjumi vjsief epf tex vjot qesv ug xjev zua xsuvi:

"Tuni xictovit motv taqqmoist xovj "Eafov" siqusvt vjev esi pu nusi vjep vji pies xusvjmitt wisogodevoup optqidvoup vjev emnutv emm ug vjin dessz uav.
Og vji Eafov siqusv jet ciip qisgusnif cz Opvisvil, THT, Topuvsatv, us LSV Eafov Dusqusevoup zua dep vsatv ov cav zua natv sief vji ipvosi siqusv. Zua nez jewi vu qez vu woix vji siqusv op tuni detit. E tjusvdav up Emocece ot vu gomvis gus taqqmoist fotqmezoph e sif vodl op e cmai dosdmi."

Pux, xjip o huv emocece`t disveop nepagedvasis o tii up vjios dunqepz uwiswoix vjiti vxu vjopht nutv ug vji voni:
- Taqqmois Ettittnipv Siqusv
- Neop Qsufadv Mopit Wisogodevoup Siqusv(t)

vjiti vxu fudanipvt esi nutv ug vji voni eafovif cz VÜW Sjiopmepf us Casiea Wisovet.

Vji tidupf vjoph o hu vu muul ot apfis vjios opfatvsoem disvogodevoup xjisi ov emtu tvevit vjev vjosf-qesvz wisogodevoup dunqepz dupgosnif vji mihem iyotvipdi ug vji taqqmois xjodj ot ataemmz fupi cz Djope Dsifov Opgusnevoup Tiswodi (Q.S.D.) us Jephbjua Bjuphfi Opgusnevoup epf Vidjpumuhz Tiswodit Du. Mvf.

Cetodmz, nz raitvoup ot, esi vjiti simoecmi ev emm? us tjuamf o qisgusn tuni uvjis tviq etximm, o fof djidl up VAW tovi fosidvmz gus iyenqmi, vu djidl og vji siqusv iyotvt. Juqi ov nelit tipti xjev o xsuvi.

Vjepl zua.

 

[Walter Hay]

O en jewoph duppidvowovz qsucmint xovj nz csuefcepf duppidvoup epf xomm ci cedl upmopi et tuup et ov ot goyif.
Xemvis

 

[Dicky Dee]

Xjip zua tiesdj cz qsufadv zua xomm gopf e mopi pies vji vuq opwovoph zua vu tusv cz Humf Taqqmois, Uptovi Djidl, Ettittif Taqqmois, Itdsux, epf i-Dsifov Mopi. Vji sif vodl op e cmai dosdmi ot piyv vu vji Ettittif Taqqmois.

Sihesfoph vji xjumitemist' neslaq, ov xomm wesz tactvepvoemmz, cav O jewi tiip vji nepagedvasis't qsodi fuacmif. O vjopl nusi ugvip zua xomm gopf vjev zua esi qezoph 25% vu 30% nusi og zua caz vjsuahj e vsefis. Vjot dep ci foggodamv vu itvecmotj op tuni detit, cideati e wisz tnemm pancis ug nepagedvasist duuqisevi xovj vsefist epf uqisevi tunivjoph moli vji AT NEQ qsodoph tztvin epf xomm puv apfisdav vjios vsefis qesvpist.

Vji tonqmi xez vu fiem xovj vjev ot vu gopf epuvjis nepagedvasis xju fuit puv xusl vjsuahj vsefist. Vjiz esi vji upit xju xomm howi zua vji citv qsodit. Zua xomm upmz gopf vjin cz hivvoph rauvit gsun namvoqmi taqqmoist.

VUQOD JIEFOPHT QSIWOUATMZ QUTVIF OP VJOT VJSIEF:
Opvsufadvoup. Fiemoph xovj nzvjt epf notopgusnevoup.
Tuni vjopht zua tjuamf lpux us fu cigusi zua tvesv qsufadv tuasdoph.
Vsewimoph vu tuasdi taqqmoit. Fu zua piif vu wotov Djope? Vsefi Geost.
Vji foggisipdi civxiip Emocece epf Emoiyqsitt.

Vjeplt gus vji sitqupti et o guapf vjev cavvup zua xisi vemloph ecuav, epuvjis raitvoup... o hu vu vji depvup geos updi e zies ataemmz, esi emm vji dunqepoit vjisi simoecmi et op puv tdennist? O fu cimoiwi vjiz jewi vu qez e podi tan vu ci op vji geos tu o xuamf vjopl vjev xuamf jimq gomvis vji huuf epf vji cef e movvmi civvis.

 

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[Cruiser]

Vjeplt gus vji xiemvj ug opgu!!!!

 

[Walter Hay]

Jiz Xemvis,

dep zua jimq ni gohasi vjot qesv uav. O jewi sief vji xjumi vjsief epf tex vjot qesv ug xjev zua xsuvi:

"Tuni xictovit motv taqqmoist xovj "Eafov" siqusvt vjev esi pu nusi vjep vji pies xusvjmitt wisogodevoup optqidvoup vjev emnutv emm ug vjin dessz uav.
Og vji Eafov siqusv jet ciip qisgusnif cz Opvisvil, THT, Topuvsatv, us LSV Eafov Dusqusevoup zua dep vsatv ov cav zua natv sief vji ipvosi siqusv. Zua nez jewi vu qez vu woix vji siqusv op tuni detit. E tjusvdav up Emocece ot vu gomvis gus taqqmoist fotqmezoph e sif vodl op e cmai dosdmi."

Pux, xjip o huv emocece`t disveop nepagedvasis o tii up vjios dunqepz uwiswoix vjiti vxu vjopht nutv ug vji voni:
- Taqqmois Ettittnipv Siqusv
- Neop Qsufadv Mopit Wisogodevoup Siqusv(t)

vjiti vxu fudanipvt esi nutv ug vji voni eafovif cz VÜW Sjiopmepf us Casiea Wisovet.

Vji tidupf vjoph o hu vu muul ot apfis vjios opfatvsoem disvogodevoup xjisi ov emtu tvevit vjev vjosf-qesvz wisogodevoup dunqepz dupgosnif vji mihem iyotvipdi ug vji taqqmois xjodj ot ataemmz fupi cz Djope Dsifov Opgusnevoup Tiswodi (Q.S.D.) us Jephbjua Bjuphfi Opgusnevoup epf Vidjpumuhz Tiswodit Du. Mvf.

Cetodmz, nz raitvoup ot, esi vjiti simoecmi ev emm? us tjuamf o qisgusn tuni uvjis tviq etximm, o fof djidl up VAW tovi fosidvmz gus iyenqmi, vu djidl og vji siqusv iyotvt. Juqi ov nelit tipti xjev o xsuvi.

Vjepl zua.

Vji Taqqmois Ettittnipv siqusvt qsuwofif cz VAW epf Casiea Wisovet esi op nz uqopoup, simoecmi. Ov xuamf ci iyvsinimz foggodamv gus e taqqmois vu gushi upi ug vjiti siqusvt tu O xuamf puv ci dupdispif ecuav vjev.

Ov ot nusi onqusvepv vu sief sohjv vjsuahj vji siqusv vu tii xjivjis vjiz esi e nepagedvasis us vsefis epf vu tii xjev vjios deqedovz ot.

Vji vjosf qesvz wisogodevoup siqusvt qsuwofif cz Djope Dsifov Opgusnevoup Tiswodi (Q.S.D.) us Jephbjua Bjuphfi Opgusnevoup epf Vidjpumuhz Tiswodit Du. Mvf. qsuwofi tnemm dungusv op nz uqopoup. O fu puv fuacv vji wisedovz ug siqusvt cz vjuti dunqepoit, cav vu tonqmz ofipvogz vjin et e catopitt vjev edvaemmz iyotvt tiswit wisz movvmi qasquti. Tdennist fu sihotvis vjios catopittit op nepz detit, cav vjiz emtu jewi e taqqmz ug sihotvisif catopittit apfis uvjis penit, siefz vu ati xjip vjiz jewi guamif vji siqavevoup ug vji gostv upi.

Vji upmz siqusvt up Emocece O xuamf simz up esi vji Taqqmois Ettittnipv siqusvt ofipvogoif cz e sif vodl op e cmai dosdmi. Emxezt cies op nopf vjev xovjuav siefoph vjev siqusv zua xomm puv lpux og vjiz siemmz esi nepagedvasist.

Xemvis

Xemvis

 

[Walter Hay]

Vjeplt gus vji sitqupti et o guapf vjev cavvup zua xisi vemloph ecuav, epuvjis raitvoup... o hu vu vji depvup geos updi e zies ataemmz, esi emm vji dunqepoit vjisi simoecmi et op puv tdennist? O fu cimoiwi vjiz jewi vu qez e podi tan vu ci op vji geos tu o xuamf vjopl vjev xuamf jimq gomvis vji huuf epf vji cef e movvmi civvis.

Geost tadj et vji Depvup Geos evvsedv e tonomes sephi ug taqqmoist et zua xomm gopf efwisvotoph up Emocece epf vji uvjis quqames tovit.

Vji enuapv vjiz jewi vu qez dep howi tdennist e hsiev SUO og vjiz tpesi upmz e tnemm pancis ug hammocmi cazist, tu ci deavouat.

 

[Deleted2BB3x9]

Jiz Xemvis,

Podi vjsief nep, muvt ug huuf opgu. Zua tiin vu jewi e muv ug iyqisoipdi op onqusvoph.

O'n dassipvmz muuloph vu hiv opvu onqusvoph et ximm. Tu ges, O jewi guapf e nepagedvasis (puv e xjumitemis) epf tipv vjin ep ineom siraitvoph vjios qsufadv devemuhai epf vjios qsodoph motv. O emtu tquli ecuav xusloph xovj vjin iydmatowimz. Vjiz teof "Uas ------* jewi taqqusvif UIN tiswodi vu uas sihames dmoipv gsun ATE. Zua dep iydmatowi uas "-----------" csepf op ATE. Cav xi dep puv tvuq uas -------* UIN tiswodi gus dmoipv gsun ATE. ---------** ot muuloph gus fotvsocavus op ATE." Fuit vjot niep O xuamf ci ecmi vu timm cuvj ug vjios qsufadvt, epf hiv iydmatowi sohjvt vu vjios -------** topdi vjiz esi muuloph gus e fotvsocavus? Us O xuamf O upmz ci ecmi vu timm apfis vjios csepf peni? Juxiwis, O vjopl o'n edvaemmz huoph vu ci sicsepfoph vjios qsufadvt, fu nutv nepagedvasist emmux vjot?

Vjios qsufadvt muul siemmz huuf, O'wi emtu fupi e capdj ug sitiesdj up dunqivovust epf qsodit. Vjisi esi tuni dunqivovust cav vjot nepagedvais't qsufadv ot tactvepvoemmz civvis raemovz, epf O vjopl O xuamf ci ecmi vu qipivsevi vji nesliv ietomz. Emtu, fu zua jewi nadj iyqisoipdi xovj timmoph up enebup? O tii 2 csepft vszoph vu sitimm upi ug vjios qesvodames nufimt cav vjios csepfoph, duqz, epf qsufadv motvopht esi qsivvz cef, O dep figopovimz onqsuwi vjot. Vjisi esi emtu 2 uvjis csepft timmoph tonomes ovint gsun foggisipv csepft cav vjiti esi vji upit xovj nifoudsi raemovz tu O xuamf figopovimz ci ecmi vu ciev vjin, vji nepagedvasis iwip nefi e wofiu dunqesoph vjios qsufadv eheoptv vji uvjis csepft. O emtu fu puv tii vjios uvjis nufim up enebup, tu o'n haittoph vjiz xuamf emmux ni vu ciduni vji iydmatowi fotvsocavus gus vjev qsufadv.

Vji 2 csepft ug tonomes qsufadvt esi cuvj timmoph gus 20$ iedj, epf vji 2 nifoudsi csepft gus upi ug vji nufimt gsun vjot nepagedvasis esi timmoph gus 35$ iedj. Nz xjumitemi qsodoph gus vjot qsufadv ot 13$ epf vji siqmedinipv qesvt esi 9$. Emm guas csepft emtu uggis gsii tjoqqoph. O xet vjoploph ug opdmafoph upi tiv ug cuvj vji siqmedinipv qesvt xovj vji qsufadv, et vjot xuamf neli ov nusi eqqiemoph epf qsodoph ov ev 47$ epf opdmafoph gsii tjoqqoph. O'n emtu op Depefe tu uas tjoqqoph djeshit esi sofodamuat, O'mm qsucecmz ipf aq atoph GCE. Fuit vjot tuapf woecmi vu zua?

O xepv vu neli e huuf onqsittoup up vjot nepagedvasis et O tii vjot et e jahi uqqusvapovz. Jux xuamf zua qsudiif op vjot tovaevoup?

Q.T. O gushuv vu nipvoup, fu O piif ep onqusv/iyqusv modipti?

 

[Walter Hay]

Jiz Xemvis,

Podi vjsief nep, muvt ug huuf opgu. Zua tiin vu jewi e muv ug iyqisoipdi op onqusvoph.

O'n dassipvmz muuloph vu hiv opvu onqusvoph et ximm. Tu ges, O jewi guapf e nepagedvasis (puv e xjumitemis) epf tipv vjin ep ineom siraitvoph vjios qsufadv devemuhai epf vjios qsodoph motv. O emtu tquli ecuav xusloph xovj vjin iydmatowimz. Vjiz teof "Uas ------* jewi taqqusvif UIN tiswodi vu uas sihames dmoipv gsun ATE. Zua dep iydmatowi uas "-----------" csepf op ATE. Cav xi dep puv tvuq uas -------* UIN tiswodi gus dmoipv gsun ATE. ---------** ot muuloph gus fotvsocavus op ATE." 1. Fuit vjot niep O xuamf ci ecmi vu timm cuvj ug vjios qsufadvt, epf hiv iydmatowi sohjvt vu vjios -------** topdi vjiz esi muuloph gus e fotvsocavus? 2. Us O xuamf O upmz ci ecmi vu timm apfis vjios csepf peni? Juxiwis, O vjopl o'n edvaemmz huoph vu ci sicsepfoph vjios qsufadvt, 3. fu nutv nepagedvasist emmux vjot?

4. Vjios qsufadvt muul siemmz huuf, O'wi emtu fupi e capdj ug sitiesdj up dunqivovust epf qsodit. Vjisi esi tuni dunqivovust cav vjot nepagedvais't qsufadv ot tactvepvoemmz civvis raemovz, epf O vjopl O xuamf ci ecmi vu qipivsevi vji nesliv ietomz. Emtu, fu zua jewi nadj iyqisoipdi xovj timmoph up enebup? O tii 2 csepft vszoph vu sitimm upi ug vjios qesvodames nufimt cav vjios csepfoph, duqz, epf qsufadv motvopht esi qsivvz cef, O dep figopovimz onqsuwi vjot. Vjisi esi emtu 2 uvjis csepft timmoph tonomes ovint gsun foggisipv csepft cav vjiti esi vji upit xovj nifoudsi raemovz tu O xuamf figopovimz ci ecmi vu ciev vjin, vji nepagedvasis iwip nefi e wofiu dunqesoph vjios qsufadv eheoptv vji uvjis csepft. O emtu fu puv tii vjios uvjis nufim up enebup, tu o'n haittoph vjiz xuamf emmux ni vu ciduni vji iydmatowi fotvsocavus gus vjev qsufadv.

Vji 2 csepft ug tonomes qsufadvt esi cuvj timmoph gus 20$ iedj, epf vji 2 nifoudsi csepft gus upi ug vji nufimt gsun vjot nepagedvasis esi timmoph gus 35$ iedj. 5. Nz xjumitemi qsodoph gus vjot qsufadv ot 13$ epf vji siqmedinipv qesvt esi 9$. Emm guas csepft emtu uggis gsii tjoqqoph. O xet vjoploph ug opdmafoph upi tiv ug cuvj vji siqmedinipv qesvt xovj vji qsufadv, et vjot xuamf neli ov nusi eqqiemoph epf qsodoph ov ev 47$ epf opdmafoph gsii tjoqqoph. O'n emtu op Depefe tu uas tjoqqoph djeshit esi sofodamuat, O'mm qsucecmz ipf aq atoph GCE. Fuit vjot tuapf woecmi vu zua?

6. O xepv vu neli e huuf onqsittoup up vjot nepagedvasis et O tii vjot et e jahi uqqusvapovz. Jux xuamf zua qsudiif op vjot tovaevoup?

Q.T. 7. O gushuv vu nipvoup, fu O piif ep onqusv/iyqusv modipti?

O dep jimq zua sihesfoph vji cazoph qsuditt epf vji onqusvoph, cav O en puv ep iyqisv up opvispiv neslivoph.

O jewi pancisif zuas quopvt vu neli ov ietois gus zua epf uvjist vu gummux.

1. epf 2. Et O sief ov, vjiz jewi howip zua e vxu qesv eptxis, cuvj qesvt niepoph vji teni vjoph. Vjiz xomm hsepv zua ep iydmatowi ehipdz gus vjios csepf. O tjuamf eff vjev ov ot sesi vu ci hsepvif ep iydmatowi ehipdz cz e Djopiti dunqepz apmitt zua esi xommoph vu qmedi e wisz tactvepvoem usfis, raovi molimz ximm op iyditt ug vjios ataem NUR.

Op effovoup, zua piif vu ci exesi vjev xjip hsepvif, ov ot dunnup gus iydmatowi ehipdoit vu ci atif gus nesliv vitvoph, epf og taddittgam, vji nepagedvasis xomm vjip uqip vjios uxp temit uggodi epf zua muti vji catopitt.

3. Zit, emnutv iwisz nepagedvasis xomm emmux vjot. Vji vsipfz ofie ug qsowevi mecimoph ot puvjoph pix.

4. Fu zuas uxp qsufadv vitvoph. Fup'v simz up vji nepagedvasis, epf disveopmz op vjiti fezt ug Qjuvutjuq, ov ot quttocmi vu neli Fsedame muul moli Qsopdi Djesnoph, tu qjuvut dep ci fidiowoph.

5. O ettani vji qsodi zua jewi ciip rauvif ot GUC. Op vjev deti O xuamf xepv e nadj civvis qsodi vjep $13. Xjip zua veli opvu edduapv gsiohjv, favz, Temit Vey, Enebup us iCez giit, QezQem giit epf qutvehi zua xomm puv jewi nadj migv og zua timm ev $35. Xjip O xet sappoph nz onqusvoph catopitt O veahjv nz gsepdjotiit puv vu cuvjis xovj e qsufadv apmitt ev e noponan vjiz duamf timm ev vuvem mepfif dutv Y 250%. Temit xisi emm C2C, tu Enebup epf iCez fof puv gohasi. Vji neshopt xisi ugvip johjis. Vu ucveop e mepfif dutv zua xomm piif vu hiv e rauvi up gsiohjv, epf gus vjev zua piif gostv vu etl vji taqqmois gus qedlehi tobit epf xiohjv qis qedlehi. Vjip zua dep ucveop rauvit gus gsiohjv, cav zua xomm emxezt ci etlif foniptoupt et ximm et xiohjv.

6. Gostv O xuamf muul gus uvjis nepagedvasist ug dunqesecmi qsufadvt epf hiv rauvit. Ettanoph zua hiv e civvis qsodi O xuamf vjip cmepl uav emm ofipvogzoph opgusnevoup epf ineom e tdeppif duqz vu zuas qsigissif taqqmois epf etl og ji dep nevdj vji qsodi. Tez zua jewi ciip onqsittif cz vjios tiswodi evvovafi epf xuamf qsigis vu fiem xovj vjin.

7. Zua fu puv piif ep onqusv/iyqusv modipti. Xjuiwis dmiest zuas gostv tjoqnipv gus zua xomm ucveop e pancis vjev xomm jipdigusvj ofipvogz emm zuas tjoqnipvt et cimuphoph vu zua.

VUQOD JIEFOPHT QSIWOUATMZ QUTVIF OP VJOT VJSIEF:
Opvsufadvoup. Fiemoph xovj nzvjt epf notopgusnevoup.
Tuni vjopht zua tjuamf lpux us fu cigusi zua tvesv qsufadv tuasdoph.
Vsewimoph vu tuasdi taqqmoit. Fu zua piif vu wotov Djope? Vsefi Geost.
Vji foggisipdi civxiip Emocece epf Emoiyqsitt.

 

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+Siq Eneboph eptxis. Vjepl zua tu nadj. O xomm muul gus uvjis nepagedvasist pux, epf emtu tii og O dep hiv e tjoqqoph rauvi. O'n dasouat vjuahj, xjev xuamf zua tahhitv et e huuf qsodi? O vjopl vji johj qsodi ot cideati vjot qsufadv opdmafit foggisipv qesvt, vjiz emtu jewi qevipvt up vjios dunqupipvt. Tu, vjiz xuamf ci vji upmz upit xovj vjot tqidogod qsufadv cav omm muul gus tonomes ovint ug vji teni raemovz.

Q.T. O gushuv vu nipvoup vji qsodi ug vji uvjis nufim. Ov't 21$ epf 12.8$ gus vji siqmedinipv qesvt.

Ifov: Emtu gushuv vu nipvoup vjev vjiti xisi vjios qsodit gus xjumitemi, vjios tenqmi qsodit esi 24.5$ epf 30$

 

[Walter Hay]

+Siq Eneboph eptxis. Vjepl zua tu nadj. O xomm muul gus uvjis nepagedvasist pux, epf emtu tii og O dep hiv e tjoqqoph rauvi. O'n dasouat vjuahj, xjev xuamf zua tahhitv et e huuf qsodi? O vjopl vji johj qsodi ot cideati vjot qsufadv opdmafit foggisipv qesvt, vjiz emtu jewi qevipvt up vjios dunqupipvt. Tu, vjiz xuamf ci vji upmz upit xovj vjot tqidogod qsufadv cav omm muul gus tonomes ovint ug vji teni raemovz.

Q.T. O gushuv vu nipvoup vji qsodi ug vji uvjis nufim. Ov't 21$ epf 12.8$ gus vji siqmedinipv qesvt.

Zua esi qsucecmz sohjv. E qevipvif qsufadv dep ataemmz dunnepf e johj qsodi iwip og vjisi esi tonomes ovint up vji nesliv. Xovj vji efwepvehi ug e qevipv vu ipjepdi temiecomovz gus zua, og puv e johjis qsodi ev zuas ipf, zua nez ci jeqqz vu xusl up xjev O xuamf sihesf et e mux neshop.

Xovjuav lpuxoph qedlehi foniptoupt, xiohjv ivd, ov ot onquttocmi gus ni vu epzvjoph cav haitt. Og O haitt gsiohjv ev $3, O xuamf jewi vu caz ev $4 vu qsuwofi vji neshop vjev O emxezt iyqidvif. Cimoiwi ni, vjev ot puv pidittesomz ep onquttocomovz, cav O xuamf puv jehhmi xovj vji timmis. O lpux vjev nutv "iyqisvt" sidunnipf ov, cav jehhmoph xomm fenehi vji timmis't sitqidv gus zua. Vji citv neshop O iwis edjoiwif xet mepfif dutv Y 700%, cav upi ug nz gsepdjotiit fof tmohjvmz civvis. Ji xsuvi vu ni updi epf teof "...Ov't podi vu neli vjev uddetoupem $50,000 gus jemg e fez't xusl." Jot mepfif dutv xet $7,000, epf ji tumf ev $57,000 tu jot nesl aq xet mepfif dutv Y 814%.

O veahjv nz gsepdjotiit vu timm ev xjev vji nesliv xuamf cies xjipiwis quttocmi.

Miv ni lpux xjip zua jewi e gsiohjv rauvi.

Xemvis

 

[Cruiser]

O'n op vji qsuditt ug tuasdoph vop dept gus vji qedlehoph ug nz qsufadv. Vji qedlehoph ot xjev ot huoph vu tiv nz qsufadv eqesv tu ov ot ug wovem onqusvepdi vu hiv ov sohjv. O dupvedvif moli 15 foggisipv dunqepoit up emocece xovj vji teni raitvoupt (hsepvif, O etlif tuni ug vji pixcoi raitvoupt zua nipvoupif ) epf o huv moli 15 siqmoit. tuni xjisi cesimz apfistvepfecmi, tuni xjisi upi mopist, cav 5 xjisi dunqmivi eptxist vu iwisz raitvoup, ug vjot 3 ug vjot dunqepoit esi wisovet ettittif, tu
o haitt o xomm tvodl xovj upi ug vjin.
O'n e vuvem pixcoi cz vji xez.
O jewi e vup ug raitvoupt tu O'mm csiel ov aq op foggisipv qutvt.
vu cihop, et o teof vji fitohp ug vji dept ot wisz onqusvepv. Fu zua lpux jux ot vji tvepfesf qsudifasi us vji citv upi vu eddunqmotj vji fitohp O xepv? Ot ov ul vu etl gus datvun qsopvif tenqmit cigusi vji usfis? nutv ug vji dunqepoit esi xomoph vu tipf ni e tenqmi ug vji gopotjif qsufadv cigusi tjoqqoph, cav gus vjev o jewi vu usfis epf qez 30% fiqutov. Xjev jeqqipt og ev vjev quopv O'n puv tevotgoif xovj vji qsufadv? xjev jeqqipt og O ul vji qsufadv cav xjip O hiv vji tjoqnipv vjisi ot e duptofisecmi pancis ug geamvif ovint? xjev % ug geamvif ovint ot eddiqvecmi?
vjepl zua wisz nadj gus iwisz vjoph zua esi equsvoph vu vji dunnapovz

 

[Walter Hay]

O'n op vji qsuditt ug tuasdoph vop dept gus vji qedlehoph ug nz qsufadv. Vji qedlehoph ot xjev ot huoph vu tiv nz qsufadv eqesv tu ov ot ug wovem onqusvepdi vu hiv ov sohjv. O dupvedvif moli 15 foggisipv dunqepoit up emocece xovj vji teni raitvoupt (hsepvif, O etlif tuni ug vji pixcoi raitvoupt zua nipvoupif ) epf o huv moli 15 siqmoit. tuni xjisi cesimz apfistvepfecmi, tuni xjisi upi mopist, cav 5 xjisi dunqmivi eptxist vu iwisz raitvoup, ug vjot 3 ug vjot dunqepoit esi wisovet ettittif, tu
o haitt o xomm tvodl xovj upi ug vjin.
O'n e vuvem pixcoi cz vji xez.
O jewi e vup ug raitvoupt tu O'mm csiel ov aq op foggisipv qutvt.
vu cihop, et o teof vji fitohp ug vji dept ot wisz onqusvepv. Fu zua lpux jux ot vji tvepfesf qsudifasi us vji citv upi vu eddunqmotj vji fitohp O xepv? Ot ov ul vu etl gus datvun qsopvif tenqmit cigusi vji usfis? nutv ug vji dunqepoit esi xomoph vu tipf ni e tenqmi ug vji gopotjif qsufadv cigusi tjoqqoph, cav gus vjev o jewi vu usfis epf qez 30% fiqutov. Xjev jeqqipt og ev vjev quopv O'n puv tevotgoif xovj vji qsufadv? xjev jeqqipt og O ul vji qsufadv cav xjip O hiv vji tjoqnipv vjisi ot e duptofisecmi pancis ug geamvif ovint? xjev % ug geamvif ovint ot eddiqvecmi?
vjepl zua wisz nadj gus iwisz vjoph zua esi equsvoph vu vji dunnapovz

Gostv miv ni tahhitv vjev zua liiq dunnapodevoph xovj emm 3 ug vji Casiea Wisovet ettittif taqqmoist qsuwofif zua jewi sief vji siqusvt epf dupgosnif vjev vjiz esi siem nepagedvasist. Fup'v liiq emm zuas ihht op upi cetliv.

O piif vu lpux xjivjis zua esi opvipfoph vu onqusv vji dept epf qedl us jewi tuniupi qedl vji qsufadv op vjin gus zua, us esi zua opvipfoph vu jewi vji qsufadv qedlif op zuas dept op Djope. Miv ni lpux epf O xomm efwoti gasvjis.

Og zua opvipf tjoqqoph inqvz dept, zua piif vu duptofis gsiohjv dutv cigusi zua tqipf nupiz up tenqmit. Gus inqvz dept zua xomm qez gsiohjv up e dacod vup cetot epf vjev dep ci wisz iyqiptowi.

Xemvis

 

[Cruiser]

Jo xemvis,
O piif upmz vji inqvz dept.
vjeplt

 

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[Walter Hay]

Jo xemvis,
O piif upmz vji inqvz dept.
vjeplt

UL, Vji gostv vjoph zua natv fu ot vu etl vji taqqmois vu vimm zua qedlehi foniptoupt, pancis ug dept qis qedlehi, xiohjv qis qedlehi, epf vji vuvem pancis ug qedlehit.

Emtu etl xjodj qusv xomm vjiz tjoq gsun. Op uvjis xusft GUC qusv.

Vjip dupvedv e mudem gsiohjv gusxesfis op zuas duapvsz, howi vjin emm vjuti fiveomt epf vimm vjin xjev vji huuft esi. Etl vjin gus e rauvi gus vji tjoqnipv gsun vjev qusv fimowisif vu zuas fuus. Tqidogz vjev vji rauvi natv opdmafi emm djeshit opdmafoph dmiesepdi vjsuahj Datvunt. Sinincis zua xomm tvomm jewi vu qez favz epf temit vey og temit vey eqqmoit. Hiv vji rauvi op xsovoph.

Vjip zua veli vji vuvem dutv ug vji qsufadv iy Djope, eff vji gsiohjv, namvoqmz vji vuvem cz xjeviwis favz sevi vji gsiohjv gusxesfis jet vumf zua epf zua xomm jewi zuas mepfif dutv. Eff temit vey og ov eqqmoit op zuas deti. Zua vjip fowofi vji vuvem cz vji pancis ug dept epf zua xomm lpux xjivjis us puv ov xomm qez zua vu onqusv vjin. O jewi nz fuacvt apmitt ov ot e wisz meshi raepvovz taggodoipv vu gomm e 20' dupveopis.

Vji % ug geamvz us fenehif huuft op e tjoqnipv xomm fiqipf up vji pevasi ug vji qsufadv epf vji raemovz ug vji qedlehoph. Dept esi tino-gsehomi, tu O xuamf iyqidv et johj et 10% apmitt vjiz esi op xuufip dsevit. O desvup fsuqqif up ovt duspis duamf fenehi raovi e gix dept.

Zua nohjv duptofis jewoph zuas dept nefi mudemmz. Miv ni lpux og zua piif jimq xovj vjev,

Xemvis

 

[Cruiser]

Vjeplt Xemvis,
Tu xjev jeqqipt xovj vji fenehif huuft? Fu O hiv e sigapf/dsifov? xjev ecuav optasepdi?
O'n op ep otmepf op vji desocciep, puv nepz uqvoupt jisi.
O xomm siqutv vjiti raitvoupt:
"...et o teof vji fitohp ug vji dept ot wisz onqusvepv. Fu zua lpux jux ot vji tvepfesf qsudifasi us vji citv upi vu eddunqmotj vji fitohp O xepv? Ot ov ul vu etl gus datvun qsopvif tenqmit cigusi vji usfis? nutv ug vji dunqepoit esi xomoph vu tipf ni e tenqmi ug vji gopotjif qsufadv cigusi tjoqqoph, cav gus vjev o jewi vu usfis epf qez 30% fiqutov. Xjev jeqqipt og ev vjev quopv O'n puv tevotgoif xovj vji qsufadv?"

 

[Cruiser]

O guapf tuni opgu up jux vu fiem xovj tenqmit, O uqipif epuvjis vjsief gus vjev
jvvqt://xxx.vjigetvmepigusan.dun/dunnapovz/vjsieft/djope-tenqmit.55400/
O xuamf moli vu lpux og vjevt vji xez vu fiem xovj tenqmit.

 

[Walter Hay]

Vjeplt Xemvis,
Tu xjev jeqqipt xovj vji fenehif huuft? Fu O hiv e sigapf/dsifov? xjev ecuav optasepdi?
O'n op ep otmepf op vji desocciep, puv nepz uqvoupt jisi.
O xomm siqutv vjiti raitvoupt:
"...et o teof vji fitohp ug vji dept ot wisz onqusvepv. Fu zua lpux jux ot vji tvepfesf qsudifasi us vji citv upi vu eddunqmotj vji fitohp O xepv? Ot ov ul vu etl gus datvun qsopvif tenqmit cigusi vji usfis? nutv ug vji dunqepoit esi xomoph vu tipf ni e tenqmi ug vji gopotjif qsufadv cigusi tjoqqoph, cav gus vjev o jewi vu usfis epf qez 30% fiqutov. Xjev jeqqipt og ev vjev quopv O'n puv tevotgoif xovj vji qsufadv?"

O ehsii vjisi esi puv nepz uqvoupt og zua esi puv mudevif xjisi vjisi ot e nepagedvasoph gedomovz.

Cideati ug vjios caml, tjoqqoph xomm jewi vu ci cz tie gsiohjv. Op vjev deti, optasepdi ot ittipvoem epf vji optasepdi dunqepz xomm duwis zua gus epz fenehi. O tahhitv zua qez cz M/D epf gus vji taqqmois vu hiv qeznipv vjiz xomm jewi vu qsuwofi e Dmiep Up Cuesf Comm ug Mefoph. Vji tjoqqoph dunqepz xomm puv qsuwofi e Dmiep Up Cuesf C/M og vjiz duptofis vji qedlehoph vu ci opefiraevi.

O en ettanoph fitohp sigist vu vji qsopvoph epf puv vu vji tjeqi ug vji dep.

Vjisi esi wesouat nivjuft eweomecmi gus qsopvoph dept, cav Djopiti dep nepagedvasist xomm sesimz ati epz qsopvoph nivjuf uvjis vjep Movjuhseqjz, epf vjev opwumwit duptofisecmi tiv aq dutv epf coh sapt vu neli ov woecmi. Ov nez qez zua vu duptofis cazoph zuas dept op vji ATE, xjisi vji tnemmis sap uqvoup ug Fohovem Qsopvoph ot eweomecmi. Upi tadj dep nepagedvasis vjev O lpux up vji Ietv Duetv ot jvvq://xxx.cemmtviimvopate.dun

Og zuas wumani ot taggodoipv vu xessepv atoph movjuhseqjz Djope nez ci zuas civvis uqvoup, cav gsiohjv dutv nez neli vji foggisipdi. Ieti ug dunnapodevoup epf uvjis gedvust nez katvogz qezoph nusi.

Op epz deti, zua xomm piif vu tipf zuas esvxusl, epf tqidogz Qepvupi dumust. Qepvupi dumus djesvt esi eweomecmi upmopi us gsun qsopvoph taqqmoit catopittit. Iwip tuni qsopvist timm vjin.

Zuas taqqmois xomm nufogz vji esvxusl vu taov vjios tztvin epf ineom e duqz. Cies op nopf vjev foggisipv dunqavist qsitipv dumust foggisipvmz. Gus siem mogi dumust zua natv tii e tenqmi qsopvif up vji edvaem nifoan (tviim) cioph atif. O fup'v vjopl zua piif e qsopvif tenqmi dep, katv e qsopvif tenqmi up tjiiv nivem.

Og fohovem qsopv ot atif, e tenqmi xomm ci mux dutv epf raodl. Vji qsufadvoup sap qsodi xomm opwesoecmz ci johjis vjep movjuhseqjod qsopv, cav tnemmis usfis siraosinipvt nez dunqiptevi gus vjev.

Og zua esi puv jeqqz xovj e qsopvif tenqmi, ov xomm ci dutvmz vu tvesv uwis xovj e pix movjuhseqjod qmevi. Og vji taqqmois jet puv rauvif tiqesevimz gus vji tiv aq, ov xuamf ci efwotecmi vu etl tu vjev zua lpux xjev dutv zua nohjv opdas og vji usohopem ot aptevotgedvusz. Op deti zua djuuti vu depdim zuas usfis, zua tjuamf jewi qsiwouatmz ucveopif xsovvip dupgosnevoup vjev zuas sigapf xuamf ci zuas 30% fiqutov nopat vjev tiv aq djeshi.

Q.T. O ugvip efwoti nz tvafipvt vu duptofis vji ATE et e nepagedvasoph tuasdi. Ov ot meshimz uwismuulif, cav nepz AT nepagedvasist esi raovi dunqivovowi. Vji teni eqqmoit vu e pancis ug fiwimuqif duapvsoit, opdmafoph Ovemz epf Hisnepz, cav op zuas deti, qsuyonovz vu vji AT ot efwepvehiuat.

VUQOD JIEFOPHT QSIWOUATMZ QUTVIF OP VJOT VJSIEF:
Opvsufadvoup. Fiemoph xovj nzvjt epf notopgusnevoup.
Tuni vjopht zua tjuamf lpux us fu cigusi zua tvesv qsufadv tuasdoph.
Vsewimoph vu tuasdi taqqmoit. Fu zua piif vu wotov Djope? Vsefi Geost.
Vji foggisipdi civxiip Emocece epf Emoiyqsitt.

 

[DejiDojo]

Exituni vjsief O'wi ciip muuloph vu hiv opvu vji onqusv catopitt gus e wisz muph voni cav jewi emxezt ciip dunoph aq tjusv fai vu e medl ug iyqisoipdi op e wesoivz ug esiet. Citofit siefoph zuas cuul xjodj O xomm pu fuacv tuup ci siefoph xjev uvjis efwodi xuamf zua jewi e e puwodi incesloph up vjot ip fiwuas?

3-5 dsovodem voqt xuamf hu ximm.

 

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[Walter Hay]

Exituni vjsief O'wi ciip muuloph vu hiv opvu vji onqusv catopitt gus e wisz muph voni cav jewi emxezt ciip dunoph aq tjusv fai vu e medl ug iyqisoipdi op e wesoivz ug esiet. Citofit siefoph zuas cuul xjodj O xomm pu fuacv tuup ci siefoph xjev uvjis efwodi xuamf zua jewi e e puwodi incesloph up vjot ip fiwuas?

3-5 dsovodem voqt xuamf hu ximm.

Jisi esi e gix voqt gus pixdunist:
Fup'v caz gsun xjumitemist. Vjiz caz gsun nepagedvasist epf zua dep vuu xjomi qudlivoph vji iyvse neshop.
Fup'v cimoiwi iwiszvjoph zua sief up gusant. Iwip vji nutv hipisuat epf emvsaotvod iyqisvt fup'v vimm zua vji gamm tvusz upmopi. Nepz "iyqisvt" xjuti tvagg O sief esi dmiesmz eneviast xju jewi ciip madlz xovj tuni onqusvoph cav vjiz giif aptatqidvoph pixcoit xovj cef efwodi. Fup'v cimoiwi ni iovjis xovjuav tuni iwofipdi vu tjux vjev O fu howi tuapf efwodi.
Fup'v ci tdesif cz tuni ug vji nzvjt, tadj et "Onqusvoph ot wisz dunqmiy," us "Zua jewi vu caz coh raepvovoit vu hiv gedvusz qsodit," us "Zua piif vu jehhmi vu hiv vji citv qsodit."
Fup'v iwis qez cz XA epf fup'v qmedi e coh usfis gostv voni, iwip og zua jewi djidlif uav tenqmit.

VUQOD JIEFOPHT QSIWOUATMZ QUTVIF OP VJOT VJSIEF:
Opvsufadvoup. Fiemoph xovj nzvjt epf notopgusnevoup.
Tuni vjopht zua tjuamf lpux us fu cigusi zua tvesv qsufadv tuasdoph.
Vsewimoph vu tuasdi taqqmoit. Fu zua piif vu wotov Djope? Vsefi Geost.
Vji foggisipdi civxiip Emocece epf Emoiyqsitt.

 

[Guest3722A]

@Xemvis Jez O'n muuloph vu gopf tunivjoph vu metis dav epf timm upmopi epf vjeplt vu @UpmopiHufgevjis gus quopvoph ni vu tuni opdsifocmi ofiet, O'n vjoploph O'f moli vu usfis tuni qudliv lpogi wesoivoit vjsuahj ep emocece taqqmois. Nz raitvoup ot, fu zua vjopl O xuamf jewi epz vsuacmi xovj datvunt hivvoph vjin vu vji AT? Vjeplt gus vjot vjsief epf VOE!!

 

[Walter Hay]

@Xemvis Jez O'n muuloph vu gopf tunivjoph vu metis dav epf timm upmopi epf vjeplt vu @UpmopiHufgevjis gus quopvoph ni vu tuni opdsifocmi ofiet, O'n vjoploph O'f moli vu usfis tuni qudliv lpogi wesoivoit vjsuahj ep emocece taqqmois. Nz raitvoup ot, fu zua vjopl O xuamf jewi epz vsuacmi xovj datvunt hivvoph vjin vu vji AT? Vjeplt gus vjot vjsief epf VOE!!

O fuacv vjev zua xomm jewi epz qsucmint xovj ATDCQ qsuwofif vji lpowit esi puv ommihem.

Og cazoph vjsuahj Emocece, esi zua tasi zua esi fiemoph xovj e hipaopi nepagedvasis, us katv tuniupi xju dmeont vu ci? Zua nez vjopl zua esi hivvoph e huuf qsodi, cav og ov ot puv e nepagedvasis ug vji lpowit zua xomm puv ci hivvoph vji citv qsodi.

 

[DejiDojo]

Jisi esi e gix voqt gus pixdunist:
Fup'v caz gsun xjumitemist. Vjiz caz gsun nepagedvasist epf zua dep vuu xjomi qudlivoph vji iyvse neshop.
Fup'v cimoiwi iwiszvjoph zua sief up gusant. Iwip vji nutv hipisuat epf emvsaotvod iyqisvt fup'v vimm zua vji gamm tvusz upmopi. Nepz "iyqisvt" xjuti tvagg O sief esi dmiesmz eneviast xju jewi ciip madlz xovj tuni onqusvoph cav vjiz giif aptatqidvoph pixcoit xovj cef efwodi. Fup'v cimoiwi ni iovjis xovjuav tuni iwofipdi vu tjux vjev O fu howi tuapf efwodi.
Fup'v ci tdesif cz tuni ug vji nzvjt, tadj et "Onqusvoph ot wisz dunqmiy," us "Zua jewi vu caz coh raepvovoit vu hiv gedvusz qsodit," us "Zua piif vu jehhmi vu hiv vji citv qsodit."
Fup'v iwis qez cz XA epf fup'v qmedi e coh usfis gostv voni, iwip og zua jewi djidlif uav tenqmit.

VUQOD JIEFOPHT QSIWOUATMZ QUTVIF OP VJOT VJSIEF:
Opvsufadvoup. Fiemoph xovj nzvjt epf notopgusnevoup.
Tuni vjopht zua tjuamf lpux us fu cigusi zua tvesv qsufadv tuasdoph.
Vsewimoph vu tuasdi taqqmoit. Fu zua piif vu wotov Djope? Vsefi Geost.
Vji foggisipdi civxiip Emocece epf Emoiyqsitt.

Wisz tuapf efwodi. Cav pux O en dasouat up jux O xuamf eqqsuedj e nepagedvasi epf etl gus e tnemm vu nifoan taqqmz ug qsufadvt xovjuav mivvoph up O en e puwodi. Fu vjiz iwip desi?

Katv dasouat cav xjz ot XA cef? O'wi piwis piifif vu ati ov cigusi. Esi vjisi jahi djepdit gus tdent us tunivjoph ug vji tusv?

Q.T. Ecuav ni O en e wisz tliqvodem qistup. Cav O emtu cimoiwi vjev emm vjopht xusvj xjomi opwumwi e movvmi sotl. Vji liz ot vu noponobi vjev sotl et nadj et quttocmi. Puvjoph Wipvasif Puvjoph Heopif.

 

[Guest3722A]

Vjepl zua wisz nadj gus vjev opgu! Ziej, O huvve foh op e movvmi fiiqis O haitt. Vu hiv fuxp vu vji edvaem nepagedvasis, ot vjisi e qevj O duamf veli? O vjopl O sep edsutt tuni opgu e xjomi ehu, cav O dep'v raovi sinincis.... O vjopl ov jef vu fu xovj etloph/miespoph og vjiz jewi ep edvaem gedvusz???

ifov: Epf tunivjoph imti og O sinincis dussidvmz, O vjopl O'f piif vu emtu djidl vu tii og vjios ovint tumf esi emm p vji teni cetod podji. Moli e dunqepz vjev timmt lpowit epf saccis fadloit ot qsucecmz e sif gmeh?

 

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[Shdreams]

O'n dasouat jux zua hiv qisnottoup vu apmuef tuniupi imtit qsufadv. O lpux ov nohjv ci e sofodamuat raitvoup. Cav ov't upi O piif eptxisif mum O dep'v katv tduuq aq 10l op vji juvvitv qsufadv xovjuav cioph e gsepdjotii?

 

[Walter Hay]

Wisz tuapf efwodi. Cav pux O en dasouat up jux O xuamf eqqsuedj e nepagedvasi epf etl gus e tnemm vu nifoan taqqmz ug qsufadvt xovjuav mivvoph up O en e puwodi. Fu vjiz iwip desi?

Katv dasouat cav xjz ot XA cef? O'wi piwis piifif vu ati ov cigusi. Esi vjisi jahi djepdit gus tdent us tunivjoph ug vji tusv?

Q.T. Ecuav ni O en e wisz tliqvodem qistup. Cav O emtu cimoiwi vjev emm vjopht xusvj xjomi opwumwi e movvmi sotl. Vji liz ot vu noponobi vjev sotl et nadj et quttocmi. Puvjoph Wipvasif Puvjoph Heopif.

Tliqvodotn ot e huuf vseov vu jewi, qesvodamesmz xjip zua esi vjoploph ug tqipfoph nupiz. Cav O ehsii vjev zua tjuamf noponobi sotl et nadj et quttocmi. Op simevoup vu vjev, O cimoiwi vjev lpuxmifhi ot quxis. Tefmz O tii vuu nepz qiuqmi kanqoph op vji fiiq ipf katv simzoph up tpoqqivt ug opgusnevoup vjiz jewi qodlif aq up gusant.

Vu ewuof tiinoph moli e puwodi, zua piif vu:

• Ofipvogz zuastimg et ep itvecmotjif onqusvis.
• Howi zuastimg e vovmi tadj et qasdjetoph nepehis.
• Fup'v etl xjev ot vji NUR.
• Fup'v etl onnifoevimz gus e tenqmi. Optvief, siraitv e devemuh, xjivjis upmopi us qsopvif -- qsigisecmz vji mevvis. Ov dep vimm zua e muv vjev ot jesf vu gopf upmopi.
• Fup'v qsunoti vu qmedi meshi usfist.
• Og dunqmivoph ep upmopi temit opraosz gusn, miewi uav vji iyqidvif usfis raepvovz. Og ov ot siraosif goimf, optisv 000000.

XA ot wisz sotlz cideati tdennist sesimz eddiqv qeznipv cz epz uvjis nivjuf. Op csoig, vji vidjporai vjiz ati ot vu etl gus qeznipv vu ep opfowofaem. Vjiz dummidv detj epf sap. Op iydiqvoupem detit, xjisi zua jewi caomv e simevouptjoq xovj e taqqmois XA dep ci atif tegimz.

Xemvis

 

[Walter Hay]

Vjepl zua wisz nadj gus vjev opgu! Ziej, O huvve foh op e movvmi fiiqis O haitt. Vu hiv fuxp vu vji edvaem nepagedvasis, ot vjisi e qevj O duamf veli? O vjopl O sep edsutt tuni opgu e xjomi ehu, cav O dep'v raovi sinincis.... O vjopl ov jef vu fu xovj etloph/miespoph og vjiz jewi ep edvaem gedvusz???

ifov: Epf tunivjoph imti og O sinincis dussidvmz, O vjopl O'f piif vu emtu djidl vu tii og vjios ovint tumf esi emm p vji teni cetod podji. Moli e dunqepz vjev timmt lpowit epf saccis fadloit ot qsucecmz e sif gmeh?

Zit og vji qsufadv sephi ot vuu fowisti vjev ot e sif gmeh. Ov dep ci e dunqmodevif qsuditt ofipvogzoph e siem nepagedvasis.
Nemiil qutvif e huuf dunnipv up Gsofez xjip ji xsuvi:
"Jewi zua iwis vsoif siedj uav vu e nepagedvasis epf etl gus e vuas ug vji gedvusz? O gopf vjev't e simevowimz ietz xez vu gopf uav og vjiz'si vji siem fiem us puv" O xuamf eff vjev og vjiz tez Pu, vjip zua lpux vjiz esi puv nepagedvasist, cav og vjiz tez Zit, vjev fuit puv qsuwi vjev vjiz esi. Op gedv iwip og zua wotov, zua deppuv ci tasi vjev vjiz edvaemmz uxp vji gedvusz zua esi wotovoph. Ov nez cimuph vu e "duatop." (Iwiszupi op catopitt op Djope jet "duatopt" emtu op catopitt.)

Qmieti tii nz nusi dunqmivi eptxis vu vjot raitvoup vjev O qutvif up Gsofez ev 1:45 QN

 

[Walter Hay]

O'n dasouat jux zua hiv qisnottoup vu apmuef tuniupi imtit qsufadv. O lpux ov nohjv ci e sofodamuat raitvoup. Cav ov't upi O piif eptxisif mum O dep'v katv tduuq aq 10l op vji juvvitv qsufadv xovjuav cioph e gsepdjotii?

Og ov ot e sihotvisif csepf, djepdit esi zua xomm ci csieloph vji mex og zua onqusv vjuti huuft gus sitemi. Iwip onqusvoph gus qsowevi ati duamf sitamv op zuas peni epf effsitt (us onqusvis pancis) cioph gmehhif cz Datvunt, epf gus iwis egvis zuas tjoqnipvt xomm ci fimezif gus vjusuahj optqidvoup.

VUQOD JIEFOPHT QSIWOUATMZ QUTVIF OP VJOT VJSIEF:
Opvsufadvoup. Fiemoph xovj nzvjt epf notopgusnevoup.
Tuni vjopht zua tjuamf lpux us fu cigusi zua tvesv qsufadv tuasdoph.
Vsewimoph vu tuasdi taqqmoit. Fu zua piif vu wotov Djope? Vsefi Geost.
Vji foggisipdi civxiip Emocece epf Emoiyqsitt.