Wow, the volume of vitriol on this thread is really astonishing. It's so bad that I took a few minutes to look back through the guy's earlier posts to figure out who he shat upon in an earlier life. What you find is someone who read all three of MJ's books, tossed out a few ideas (food, protein drink, SaaS) and asked a *boatload* of open ended questions before coming up with the "stop jerking off" concept.
Here's one response from the protein drink thread:
One year later, this thread got started.
Now that he's making money doing infomarketing (yes, selling courses and coaching are both infomarketing), y'all declared that he's not making money in the *appropriate* way. It would far better to pull in $10K monthly selling car toys sourced from China, ebooks on learning to meditate or pressure washing. All of which are apparently considered legitimate given the positive responses from other forum members on all of those topics. Try and find another thread where someone posts about jumping from $3K - $4K monthly to $10K and hearing "One month at $10K. You're a joke."
How about some background? The dude is Muslim and viewing pornography is forbidden. Given the popularity of porn with basically every human being on the planet combined with 1B+ Muslims, it seems like a pretty damn big market to me. It doesn't seem to bother anyone that he doesn't have years of experience in defeating porn habits (could be wrong about that, don't know him personally) , but God forbid he dares to offer coaching ON EXACTLY WHAT HE DID. Which was to start selling a course to an interested audience!! Anyone who thinks years of study and degrees makes someone better able to fix masturbation hasn't spent three minutes talking with a counselor, therapist or psychiatrist. 90%+ of what comes out their mouths is expensive BS. There's no magic number of years that makes anyone qualified to advise about anything.
I'm with @Black_Dragon43 on this one. The market determines what's providing value or not providing value.
re: Tony Robbins. TR was a 17YO *janitor* when he hooked up with Jim Rohn. I'm sure a summer of floor mopping provided all the worldly experience necessary to start teaching motivational seminars along with NLP techniques. I'm not against TR in the slightest, but the only "real world" experience he had before the first paid-for-him-by-other-people infomercial was in selling other people's seminars along with his own. He became an early millionaire by selling advice regardless of whether a single person received value from it or not. Just like the vast majority of informarketing gurus.
re: $12 billionaire advice book. It's a book. Sign me up for the version where the author interacts with the student.
re: Pyramid scheme. Ponzi schemes involve taking money, promising outrageous returns and paying off earlier suckers with money taken from later suckers. What he's doing in called infomarketing, not a pyramid scheme and certainly not illegal in any country.
re: Blame the student for poor results. Yep. Same as with every coach that ever lived. It's the bane of personal trainers, educators, gurus and talking heads that the stupid people are paying all this money and just won't follow their advice. Fat people won't lose weight, smokers won't stop lighting up, procrastinators won't take action.
How is that any different than 98% of the people reading MJ's books and trolling through TFF every day?
Here's one response from the protein drink thread:
I would be more concerned with how you have made ZERO F*cking dollars so far.
One year later, this thread got started.
Now that he's making money doing infomarketing (yes, selling courses and coaching are both infomarketing), y'all declared that he's not making money in the *appropriate* way. It would far better to pull in $10K monthly selling car toys sourced from China, ebooks on learning to meditate or pressure washing. All of which are apparently considered legitimate given the positive responses from other forum members on all of those topics. Try and find another thread where someone posts about jumping from $3K - $4K monthly to $10K and hearing "One month at $10K. You're a joke."
How about some background? The dude is Muslim and viewing pornography is forbidden. Given the popularity of porn with basically every human being on the planet combined with 1B+ Muslims, it seems like a pretty damn big market to me. It doesn't seem to bother anyone that he doesn't have years of experience in defeating porn habits (could be wrong about that, don't know him personally) , but God forbid he dares to offer coaching ON EXACTLY WHAT HE DID. Which was to start selling a course to an interested audience!! Anyone who thinks years of study and degrees makes someone better able to fix masturbation hasn't spent three minutes talking with a counselor, therapist or psychiatrist. 90%+ of what comes out their mouths is expensive BS. There's no magic number of years that makes anyone qualified to advise about anything.
I'm with @Black_Dragon43 on this one. The market determines what's providing value or not providing value.
re: Tony Robbins. TR was a 17YO *janitor* when he hooked up with Jim Rohn. I'm sure a summer of floor mopping provided all the worldly experience necessary to start teaching motivational seminars along with NLP techniques. I'm not against TR in the slightest, but the only "real world" experience he had before the first paid-for-him-by-other-people infomercial was in selling other people's seminars along with his own. He became an early millionaire by selling advice regardless of whether a single person received value from it or not. Just like the vast majority of informarketing gurus.
re: $12 billionaire advice book. It's a book. Sign me up for the version where the author interacts with the student.
re: Pyramid scheme. Ponzi schemes involve taking money, promising outrageous returns and paying off earlier suckers with money taken from later suckers. What he's doing in called infomarketing, not a pyramid scheme and certainly not illegal in any country.
re: Blame the student for poor results. Yep. Same as with every coach that ever lived. It's the bane of personal trainers, educators, gurus and talking heads that the stupid people are paying all this money and just won't follow their advice. Fat people won't lose weight, smokers won't stop lighting up, procrastinators won't take action.
How is that any different than 98% of the people reading MJ's books and trolling through TFF every day?
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