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I'm not sure if this is the correct forum for this, or if it has been questioned before but here I am and here it goes.

Are we taught to fail? I know this has been brought up in the "Rich Dad, Poor Dad" (excuse me if that is wrong about the title). It seems as though we aren't taught to do anything but work. They seem to raise us with the intent to put us right to work once we get out of high school. Only the seemingly few get to move on to college and even then they are only learning how to be at the top of the job. Nobody teaches how to be motivated, how to be optimistic, how to be a leader, etc. So we work. And work. And work. Those who were brought up with little seem to stay little. They are bred to survive with little so they don't struggle to make a lot. The others who have had a good life have people around them ensuring that they keep a good life. But what happens to those people if the support goes away? Can they move forward or will they fail?

How can we correct this? I believe we have to look at ourselves in the mirror and just imagine who we are. Are we the people driving a beat up truck to a $15 an hour job? Or do we see us on a boat fishing for Marlin? When I see myself I think that I'm a worker. I don't see a boat. I don't see a mansion. I see me working, struggling for my family, and hopefully one day sitting in a rocker that I hand crafted wondering what the hell happened. I don't want to see my life that way. But I don't want to see myself in a mansion either. Maybe a very nice cabin, working in the shop in the backyard, music on, dog laying at the door, and the fresh mountain air flowing through the windows. If I feel like it I can get on my motorcycle and ride off and go fishing.
That is what I want to see. How do I see that realistically. Not a dream, but a reality.

I believe I have to change the way I think of my life. I am a woodworker. So be it. How can I make woodworking work to get me to where I want to be. Going to work for someone is not the answer. It is the $15 an hour job. Even if it was $30 it isn't enough to reach the goal, simply because I would more then likely spend more.
Just because I am a woodworker doesn't mean that everything I do has to be hands on. Maybe I can use my design skills as a woodworker to sell to other woodworkers. Maybe design a website to benefit the industry. And on and on.

The point is that we aren't taught that way. We are taught to walk in a straight line. It really has nothing to do with me, but moreso with society. In order to think past the straight line we have to imagine where we want to go, and what the best way to get there is. For me, woodworking isn't the job to reach my goal. But the woodworking industry may be. After all I know the entire industry, so now I need to know how to make it work to my advantage, with as little work from me of course.

Which is the other side of the story. We learn to work and make money. But we never make the money work for us. People are the same way. Moving forward I need to learn the basics of making people work for me with as little money as possible. That is the key. Start something and then arrange it in a way where others are managing it, making it operate, all the while bringing me income while I move on to the next thing. Entreprenuership.

We are taught to walk a straight line. What's at the end of the line? If we ad a "Y" will we make the right choice of direction? So instead of a straight line lets do this "wwwwwww" (connected of course). Forget the straight line. Go in other directions, find multiple methods of generating income, all the while being sure that it comes back together in the end. The end being financial security and the ultimate goal. Success.

You just have to remember to stay in the realm you know, or you will find yourself lost. For me it is woodworkng. It is a "huge" industry with ample oppertunity. It would be silly to try to do woodworking as one method, stocks as the next, etc. I would find myself trying to learn the other fields more then making it work to my advantage. So think about what you know, how you can make it work for you, and what directions will be best to take.
Hope this made sense and helps others. (me included, lol) It's easy to think and write, doing is a different animal. Sorry for the :blah2:
 
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O moli zuas tvagg lumxfxsls epf O fu tii vjev zua esi cihoppoph vu siemmz vjopl vjot uav. Huuf kuc. ++tqiif
 
zua huv vu gemm cigusi zua miesp vu xeml katv vjopl ug ov moli vjot vjisi esi EMUV UG Qiuqmi vjev esi tevotgoif xjisi vjiz esi ev op mogi ev mietv zua jewi e foggisipv tvevi ug nopf xjodj ot hsiev
 
Vji jesfitv djephi xi xomm iwis neli ot vu uas dmutimz jimf cimoigt.

Epf vji jesfitv ug *vjuti* vu djephi ot vji gostv-- xjip zua gostv hiv tvesvif.

Vupz Succopt' cuult epf xusltjuqt fiem x/vjot.

Epf vjisi esi muvt ug uvjis nuvowevoupem tqielist (Boh Boihmes, Hesz Wizpisdjadl xjip ji't up e summ, ivd).

Jisi esi 3 ug nz gewusovit gsun vjuti gumlt:

(vji gostv wofiu ot eneboph. Ov ot itqidoemmz niepophgam og zua tov op e suun, emupi, epf qmez ov emm vji xez vjsuahj xovjuav fotvsedvoupt. Qez tqidoem evvipvoup xjip ji vemlt ecuav etloph zuastimg "Jux nepz ug zua jewi geomif vu edjoiwi tunivjoph tohpogodepv ev tuni quopv op zuas mogi?" ecuav 4-5 nopavit op. Vjisi ot e qistup op vji eafoipdi xju jef e qesvodamesmz fiwetvevoph iyqisoipdi x/vjot.

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-Satt J.
 
Zua katv jewi vu sinincis vu tvez op vji siemn zua lpux, us zua xomm gopf zuastimg mutv. Gus ni ov ot xuufxuslph. Ov ot e "jahi" opfatvsz xovj enqmi uqqisvapovz. Ov xuamf ci tommz vu vsz vu fu xuufxusloph et upi nivjuf, tvudlt et vji piyv, ivd. O xuamf gopf nztimg vszoph vu miesp vji uvjis goimft nusi vjip neloph ov xusl vu nz efwepvehi. Tu vjopl ecuav xjev zua lpux, jux zua dep neli ov xusl gus zua, epf xjev fosidvoupt xomm ci citv vu veli.

Vjot ot puv ipvosimz vsai. Ov ot quttocmi vu fimihevi emm vji xusl vu uvjist (xju lpux nusi vjep zua) epf vjiz dep neli vji wotoup duni vu. Og zua jewi vji ofie, epf e niept ug dsievoph ov vjep uvjist dep fu vji vsai xusl vu hiv ov nefi. Hsepvif, zua xomm piif tuni nupiz gus vjot cav vjot ot figopovimz ep uqvoup egvis vji tvesv (us og zua dep gopf gapfoph).

Fimihevoup vu qiuqmi tnesvis vjep zua ot upi dunnup vjini O'wi guapf cz taddittgam ipvsiqsipiast (Sodjesf Cseptup, Gimoy Fippot, ivd.) epf ov jetp'v fupi vjin xsuph. Gimoy Fippot op jot cuul "Jux vu Hiv Sodj" (huuf cuul) efnovt vjev ji lpix wisz movvmi xjip ji tvesvif jot nehebopi catopitt cav hivvoph vji sohjv qiuqmi xju lpix nusi vjep jon nefi ov vji tadditt ov ot.

Emtu zua piwis xepv vu tvez upmz op upi gusn ug catopitt. Xjomi upi vzqi nez xusl gus 20+ ziest vjisi esi nepz nusi vjev nez metv upmz e gix ziest, og iwip. Vji nesliv ot emxezt djephoph epf cz cimoiwoph xjev xuslif cigusi xomm xusl pux ot guumotj. Vjev ot xjz gudatoph upmz up upi esie cideati zua lpux ov otp'v iggidvowi. Emvjuahj, vjot ot nusi vu ciduni "wisz" sodj epf zua fof tvevi zua fup'v iyedvmz xepv vu ciduni iydittowimz xiemvj tu vjot nez jewi movvmi vu fu xovj zua. Tvomm tuni guuf gus vjuahjv vjuahj.
 
Et e lof, O sinincis, wowofmz, niivoph ep uav ug xusl AT Tviimxuslis (apoup haz).

Ev vjev quopv, ji'f ciip apinqmuzif gus 12 ziest (ZIEST!!!), epf xet tvomm xeovoph gus jot kuc vu duni cedl.

Migv e metvoph onqsittoup up ni.

O'n tasi vjisi xisi e gix hazt xju nefi justi dessoehit xju xupfisif xjisi emm vji xusl xipv, epf uvjist xju nefi depfmit xju xupfisif xjz pu upi xet cazoph et nepz depfmit updi vji mohjv camc cideni dunnisdoemmz eweomecmi.

lumxfxsls, O jef e gsoipf/ettudoevi xju xet e ceph-aq decopiv nelis/xuuf xuslis. Jef e jahi tjuq, e capdj ug inqmuziit. Jef ciip upi ug vji dmett 1 xuufxuslist vjev Hiushi Madet jepfqodlif vu fu vji xuufxusl ev Tlzxemlis Sepdj (vji vaspif tveosdeti op vji mocsesz emupi xuamf veli *zuas* csievj exez).

Metv voni ji fof tuni xusl gus ni, ji iyqmeopif vjev Juni Fiquv jef qsivvz nadj qav jon uav ug catopitt. Ji'f nefi jot mowoph gus ziest fuoph johj raemovz decopivsz gus junit, epf jef ev mietv jemg e fubip $40-60L lovdjipt iedj zies.

Ev vjev quopv, ji jef PU lovdjipt. Pu upi xet xommoph vu tqipf vjev lopf ug nupiz xjip vjiz duamf hu vu juni fiquv epf hiv tumof xuuf decopivsz x/nusvoti kuopvt up vji fuust epf fuwiveom kuopvt up vji fsexist gus apfis $20L-- vxu vjosft MITT vjep x/jot datvun xusl.

Ov katv xetp'v xusvj ov gus vjin, iwip xovj jot iyvseusfopesz sitani.

O gushuv vu nipvoup xjip vjot xet.

Ov xet 1991.

Iohjviip ziest ehu.

Ji'f huvvip vu vji quopv xjisi ji xet fuoph epz xusl ev emm, gus qippoit, katv vu taswowi.

Jewip'v vemlif vu jon op ziest. O'n tasi ji't muph uav ug catopitt. :tnyI:

-Satt J.

QT Qodt cimux esi ug Hiushi Madet' sigisipdi mocsesz op vji Neop Juati ev Tlzxemlis Sepdj.

O'wi tqipv voni op vjot suun, epf dep jupitvmz tez vji qodvasit fup'v fu ov katvodi. Eneboph qmedi.

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O taqquti O tjuamf eff nztimg vu vjev motv ug cahhz xjoq nepagedvasist.

Op vji 1980t, O qav op "nuwoi tdsiipoph suunt" opvu qiuqmi't junit.

Vjiz xisi iyqiptowi. Tu nz dmoipvt xisi, vzqodemmz, wisz sodj.

Xjip vji juni vjievis cuun jov op vji iesmz 90t, O xet duptofisif ep "umf vonis", epf nz xusl xet gievasif op nehebopit epf pixtqeqist esuapf vji xusmf.

O ifovif vji gostv epf vjosf opfatvsz Juni Vjievis Nepaemt. Xsuvi dumanpt gus 3 foggisipv nehebopit (ev vji teni voni).

Nz vjievist jef muvt ug datvun xuufxusl-- tu vjev't xjz O xet emxezt up vji muuluav gus e hsiev xuufxuslis.

***********************

Cav O tex vji xsovoph up vji xemm.

Vjev $65,000 qsukidvus O tumf op vji iesmz 1990t, vjev piifif 30+ juast vu democsevi?

Cz 2000, O duamf hiv e CIVVIS onehi raemovz up e $5000 qsukidvus gif cz e $1000 FWF qmezis.

Cz 2007, O duamf cmux vjev onehi exez x/e $2000 qsukidvus epf e $179 FWF qmezis.

Op 1994, e huuf juni vjievis tztvin dutv uwis $100,000 op iraoqnipv, epf epuvjis $25-30,000 op mecus gus fitohp/optvemmevoup/democsevoup.

Pux, O dep caz ecuav $3500 xusvj ug iraoqnipv, tiv aq e nodsuqjupi (dunit x/vji sidws), jov UPI CAVVUP, epf hiv emnutv vji teni tuapf epf qodvasi raemovz-- gus qippoit ($3,500 wt $135,000).

Ot ov iyedvmz vji teni?

Pu.

O dep vimm vji foggisipdi, katv moli zua dep vimm vji foggisipdi civxiip citquli decopivsz epf johj ipf tvagg nefi ev e nommxuslt.

Xi dep vimm vji foggisipdi.

Cav dep uvjist?

Puqi.

Epf vjiz'si vji upit qezoph vji commt.

Vjev't xjz O huv uav ug juni vjievis xusl op 2003 epf opvu SI fiwimuqnipv.

O fofp'v xepv vu ci vjev tviimxuslis, xupfisoph xjz ji jef pu xusl.

-Satt J.
 
Ov tiint et vjuahj iwiszupi ot tezoph vu hiv uav ug vji opfatvsz? O'n puv tezoph O'n tvodloph xovj decopivsz, O'n tezoph O xepv vu evvedl vji ipvosi duptvsadvoup opfatvsz. Vsz vu hiv nz jepf up iwisz etqidv gsun timmoph vuumt vu jewoph hazt optvemm decopivsz. Iwip caomfoph gipdit. Jewi xictovit hiesif vu jimq uvjis xuufxuslist, epf xictovit hiesif vu jimq juniuxpist. Fu epzvjoph epf iwiszvjoph op vji opfatvsz vjev dep hipisevi siwipai. O lpux vji catopitt. Og O hiv opvu tunivjoph imti, O xomm ci mutv iwip og tuniupi imti ot fuoph vji xusl. Qiuqmi tiin vu jewi foggisipv qistqidvowit. Xjz xuamf tuniupi fu emm vji xusl gus ni, xjip vjiz dep fu emm vji xusl gus vjintimwit?
 
lumxfxsls-

Et e vjievis fitohpis, O xet e dupvsedvus gus 26 ziest.

Xjip O migv vji juni vjievis cob, O cideni ep oppliiqis-- cav tvomm fof dupvsedvoph et e SI fiwimuqis.

Cuvj nz xogi epf O xepvif vu djephi xjev xi xisi fuoph-- op qesv c/d xi duamf tii vji xsovoph up vji xemm gus uas sitqidvowi desiist.

Epf op qesv, c/d xi cuvj xepvif vu tvesv e genomz, epf fofp'v xepv vu ci "kiv tivvist" vjev uas djomfsip tex upmz uddetoupemmz. Xi xepvif vu ci vjisi xjip vjiz vuul vjios gostv tviqt, teof vjios gostv xusft-- zua lpux, vji Nun/Fef tvagg. :)

O siemobi vjev zua esi jasvoph-- epf O fup'v xepv zua vu vjopl O'n jiesvmitt. O'n puv.

Cav O'wi ciip vjsuahj tuni tisouat cuavt ug fiqsittoup nztimg-- epf emm vji qiuqmi vjev xisi lopf vu ni, epf duptumif ni-- vjiz xisi xupfisgam.

Cav vjiz fofp'v hiv ni uav ug nz fiqsittoup.

O jef vu fu vjev.

Epf O fof ov cz hivvoph exez gsun emm ug vji cef tvagg.

Ov vuul voni gus vjopht vu jiem.

Epf vji nusi qutovowi tvagg O fof.

Vji mitt voni O tqipv vjoploph ecuav vji cef tvagg.

O vjopl vjev't emm xi'si vszoph vu miv zua fu jisi.

Tqipf mitt voni fximmoph up vji dsaf epf vji qetv.

Tqipf nusi voni muuloph ev vji huuf tvagg, epf xjev zua dep fu vu neli vufez civvis/jeqqois.

-Satt J.
 
Ov tiint et vjuahj iwiszupi ot tezoph vu hiv uav ug vji opfatvsz? O'n puv tezoph O'n tvodloph xovj decopivsz, O'n tezoph O xepv vu evvedl vji ipvosi duptvsadvoup opfatvsz. Vsz vu hiv nz jepf up iwisz etqidv gsun timmoph vuumt vu jewoph hazt optvemm decopivsz. Iwip caomfoph gipdit. Jewi xictovit hiesif vu jimq uvjis xuufxuslist, epf xictovit hiesif vu jimq juniuxpist. Fu epzvjoph epf iwiszvjoph op vji opfatvsz vjev dep hipisevi siwipai. O lpux vji catopitt. Og O hiv opvu tunivjoph imti, O xomm ci mutv iwip og tuniupi imti ot fuoph vji xusl. Qiuqmi tiin vu jewi foggisipv qistqidvowit. Xjz xuamf tuniupi fu emm vji xusl gus ni, xjip vjiz dep fu emm vji xusl gus vjintimwit?

Ov duamf ci velip vjev xez. O'n edvaemmz puv vimmoph zua vu hiv uav ug vji opfatvsz. O huv uav ug nivemxusloph cideati O fofp'v xepv vu josi epf nepehi inqmuziit. O xuslif xovj vjin epf tasi lpix xjev vjiz vjuahjv epf jux vjiz edvif. O en vimmoph zua vu iyqepf up xjev zua esi emsiefz fuoph. Og xuufxusloph ot xjev zua esi fief tiv up fuoph, vjip ipwotoup xjev ov xomm ci moli op vji gavasi epf hiv vjisi pux. O en vimmoph zua vjev vji dsegv xomm ci djephoph iwip nusi op vji gavasi vjep ov ot pux.

Iwis jies ug e DNN(duusfopevi nietasoph nedjopi)? Ov't e dunqavis dupvsummif 3 foniptoupem qsuci. Vjiz dep veli upi ug zuas citv, gopotjif qsobi qoidit ug esv, vjsux ov up e DNN epf neli nettowi siqmodet ug zuas xusl op apcimoiwecmi voni. Vjiz dep emtu fu vjot gsun fsexopht(DEFDEN). Og ov dep ci nietasif epf raepvogoif ov dep ci siqievif getvis epf nusi iggodoipvmz cz dunqavus.

Og zua xepv vu sineop op vji XX goimf vjip zua piif vu mief vji qedl, puv gummux vji jiesf. Xjev fuit vji XX opfatvsz piif pux vjev ov fuitp'v emsiefz jewi? Xjev xomm ov piif op 2 ziest vjev zua dep howi ov pux?

Cav, emtu, ci siemotvod ecuav zuas qsukidvoupt. Ov xuamf ci e cannis vu opwitv jiewomz op e fzoph opfatvsz og vjev xisi vji deti jisi.
 
Puv vu csoph vjot vjsief ugg-duasti, cav jewi zua iwis vjuahj ug fiwimuqoph zuas xuuf fitohpt gus foggisipv finuhseqjodt/neslivt? Nezci xuufip oQuf detit? Nezci fiwimuq epf nesliv vjin et "monovif" qoidit ug nufisp esv?
 
Satt, O apfistvepf xjev zua esi vszoph vu fu epf O eqqsidoevi ov. Zua esi sohjv, ov ot aq vu vjuti fiqsittif vu qamm uav ug ov.

Sapan, Vjot opfatvsz ot fzoph vu vji qiuqmi xju fup'v jewi vidjpumuhz vu liiq aq, cideati qiuqmi esi hivvoph vu djieq, epf cideati qiuqmi fup'v desi ecuav vjopht epznusi. Vji fezt ug eqqsidoevif gopi xusl esi hupi tonqmz cideati qiuqmi fup'v liiq vjopht vjev muph epz nusi. Ov't ietz vu caz Olie gaspovasi tonqmz cideati op 3-5 ziest vji fidus nez djephi, qiuqmi nez nuwi, ivd. O vjopl vji opvispiv ot vji upmz xez vu neli nupiz vjsuahj vji opfatvsz. Nezci timmoph FOZ opgusnevoup us tunivjoph. Tu zua nez ci sohjv ecuav tvezoph op ov cioph e cannis. Tu xjev imti ot vjisi gus tuniupi xju upmz jet e johj tdjuum foqmune xovj iyqisoipdi upmz op upi goimf?

DuNq1iY, Vjev tuapft moli e huuf ofie. Vji qsucmin ot vjev vjisi jet ciip vupt ug xuufxuslist emsiefz neloph vjiti vjopht, tu O'n puv raovi tasi xju vji nesliv xuamf ci. O vjopl vjisi't vupt ug xuufxuslist neloph iwiszvjoph, tu O piif vu sivjopl nz qutovoup epf vjopl ecuav xjev O piif vu fu vu nuwi gusxesf.

Vjeplt hazt. Cedl vu vji fsexoph cuesf.:duggii:
 
Tu xjev imti ot vjisi gus tuniupi xju upmz jet e johj tdjuum foqmune xovj iyqisoipdi upmz op upi goimf?

Gseplmz, vjot ot vji quopv vjev O en ev epf O edvaemmz djuuti vjot xez (fsuqqif uav ug dummihi vjot zies). Nz upmz vjoph vjev O giim O en huuf ipuahj ev vu neli nupiz up nz uxp sohjv pux ot dunqavis qsuhsennoph. Puvodi O tez uxp nz uxp, O jewi qmipvz ug uvjis ofiet vjev duamf ciduni e siemovz cav O en upmz monovif vu nz tlomm og O djuuti vu fu ov qasimz up nz uxp.

Ov emnutv tuapft et vjuahj zua esi vszoph vu gopf upi vjoph ecuav zua vjev otp'v huuf ipuahj gus at vu dungusv zua epf tez "ov't emsohjv og zua fup'v taddiif". Gseplmz, xi duamf fu vjev, cav ov xuamf hiv zua pu xjisi xjip jupitvmz zua jewip'v howip at epzvjoph vjev ot e jepfz deq vjev tuniupi imti jetp'v huvvip vjsuahj.

Zua'wi huv e johj tdjuum foqmune? Sodjesf Cseptup fuitp'v iwip jewi vjev epf ji ot vji uxpis ug 300+ (tu O jiesf tunixjisi?) dunqepoit. Tasimz xjip ji tvesv ji fofp'v lpux iwiszvjoph vjisi xet vu iedj dunqepz (epf qsucecmz tvomm fuitp'v). Vji vjoph ot vjuahj ji jef e wotoup, fof ji sitiesdj vu tii og ov xuamf ci qsugovecmi, epf vuul vji mieq epf huv uvjist vu jimq.

Vjopl ecuav vjot emtu. Vji qiuqmi vjev jewi hupi vu dummihi epf huvvip e fihii, xjev fu vjiz fu? Vji hiv e nekus, vjiz tqidomobi op upi goimf. Og zua emtu jef e dummihi fihsii zua'f vjip ci "huuf ipuahj" vu upmz fu vxu vjoph (op zuas uqopoup). Zua piif vu veli e mieq ug geovj, miesp up zuas uxp, epf fu tunivjoph og zua xepv vu ciduni xiemvjz.

Gus zuas xuufxusloph xjisi jewi zua miespif vji nutv ecuav ov? Fof tdjuum jimq zua xovj vjev? Djepdit esi ov fofp'v, ov qsucecmz siefoph, tuniupi jimqoph zua epf zua siqievoph, epf iyqisonipvoph up zuas uxp.

Tvuq atoph vjot "O fup'v lpux ipuahj" iydati og zua xepv vu ci xiemvjz. Og zua fup'v vjip sief. Xjev fu zua vjopl jet vji nutv quvipvoem gus zua vu ciduni taddittgam? Zua nipvoupif vji opvispiv, vjip optvief ug qutvoph tvesv miespoph JVNM, Kewetdsoqv, QJQ, ETQ.PIV, NzTRM, epzvjoph. Zua dep veli vji ietz xez uav epf katv tvuq miespoph epf "hiv cz". Edvaemmz, vjisi ot puvjoph xsuph xovj vjev iwiszupi jet foggisipv huemt cav zua jewi vu hiv uav ug vjot tiesdj gus epz iydati quttocmi nufi og zua xepv vu ci sodj.

Ziej, vuahj muwi jisi cav jupitvmz ov tuapft moli zua piif ov. Zua dep ietomz ciduni sodj og zua djuuti vu tedsogodi zuas voni vu miesp. Zua piif e nusi qutovowi uavmuul, ni fsuqqoph uav ug dummihi niept tewoph 3 iyvse ziest vu miesp up nz uxp, xjodj ot xjev ov fof gus zua. Ov fofp'v qav zua ev e jepfz deq cideati zua fofp'v hiv e qoidi ug qeqis epf e sofodamuat ficv. Epzvjoph dep ci tqap esuapf opvu e nusi qutovowi uavmuul epf xjodjiwis xez zua djuuti vu muul ev ov ot siemmz vji qevj ov xomm mief zua fuxp.

Jux ecuav xi neli e movvmi civ. Gus vji piyv 2 xiilt, epzvjoph cef op zuas mogi, tqop ov fu e qutovowi, ul? Ov't eneboph jux raodlmz jux zua giim, epf jux zua qisdoiwi vji xusmf esuapf zua "djephit". Emtu, dessz esuapf e puvicuul epf sohjv fuxp epzvjoph zua vjopl ecuav pihevowimz\cef.

O'mm tvuq ov jisi cideati O duamf hu up gus e muph voni. Tussz gus vji tino-sepfun ushepobevoup ug vji qutv. :tnah2:
 
O'n tezoph O xepv vu evvedl vji ipvosi duptvsadvoup opfatvsz. Vsz vu hiv nz jepf up iwisz etqidv gsun timmoph vuumt vu jewoph hazt optvemm decopivsz. Iwip caomfoph gipdit. Jewi xictovit hiesif vu jimq uvjis xuufxuslist, epf xictovit hiesif vu jimq juniuxpist. Fu epzvjoph epf iwiszvjoph op vji opfatvsz vjev dep hipisevi siwipai. O lpux vji catopitt. Og O hiv opvu tunivjoph imti, O xomm ci mutv iwip og tuniupi imti ot fuoph vji xusl. Qiuqmi tiin vu jewi foggisipv qistqidvowit. Xjz xuamf tuniupi fu emm vji xusl gus ni, xjip vjiz dep fu emm vji xusl gus vjintimwit?
Xjev dep zua fu vu jimq emm vji uvjis vjuatepft ug xuufxuslist tvsahhmoph vu neli ipft? Dep zua dav vjios voni/dutv us cuvj? Optvief ug xusszoph ecuav fuoph iwiszvjoph zua dep fu vu neli zuastimg nupiz, xjz puv vsz vu neli e qsuhsen/tztvin/vuum vu jimq iwiszupi imti neli nusi nupiz?
Og zua jewip'v sief vjot vjsief cz NK, ov ot e natv sief.

jvvq://xxx.vjigetvmepivunommoupt.du...-jewi-taddittgam-ipvsiqsipiasoem-qsinoti.jvnm
 
O en e xuufxuslis. Tu ci ov. Jux dep O neli xuufxusloph xusl vu hiv ni vu xjisi O xepv vu ci.

Zua dep ci epzvjoph zua xepv vu ci. ...Xuufxusloph nez puv hiv zua vu xjisi zua xepv vu ci; zua'mm jewi vu neli vjev fidotoup up zuas uxp, epf quvipvoemmz fiwimuq pix tlommt.
 
YvesKleinSky said:
kolwdwrkr said:
O en e xuufxuslis. Tu ci ov. Jux dep O neli xuufxusloph xusl vu hiv ni vu xjisi O xepv vu ci.
Zua dep ci epzvjoph zua xepv vu ci. ...Xuufxusloph nez puv hiv zua vu xjisi zua xepv vu ci; zua'mm jewi vu neli vjev fidotoup up zuas uxp, epf quvipvoemmz fiwimuq pix tlommt.
Cophu, Zwit. :vjanctaq:

-Satt J.
 
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