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It's nice to see the traders on the forum. This post is for you!

I talk a lot about the tax loopholes available for business owners and real estate investors and, to be honest, tend to ignore the stock investors/traders. That's largely because most of my client base are business owners and/or real estate investors. And, frankly, there aren't that many strategies for stock investors.

Here's a few of the things to look at:

- If you pay a management fee on your account, it'll be an "investment expense" which means it's only deductible to the extent of your investment income AND ends up flowing through on your Schedule A...which might be limited due to your income. It's better to have fees that are related to buying and/or selling so that the expense is deductible as part of the basis (if it's related to the buy) or cost of sale (if it's related to the sell).

- If you are an "active trader" you can make an election to turn your investing/trader into a business. That means you can move all of the expenses (computer, home office, education, etc) into a regular business and they'll then be fully deductible and not subject to any limitations or phase-outs. There isn't a hard and fast rule on what it takes to be active, but in general the IRS wants to see 3 things:

(1) Short swings. You are holding a majority of your trades for less than 3 months. Tax Tip: If you have two strategies - both long term and short term, move the long term into a separate business structure so that they are reported differently on your tax return.

(2) Amount of Trades: Generally, you'll need 500+ trades per year to make the grade here. There has been a court case that denied the designation with someone who had 500 trades, but the problem was with (3) below - not the number of trades.

(3) Regular and consistent trading: Once you start your trading business, stay consistent. Having a very busy July and then nothing for the rest of the year isn't going to work here.

If this works, get with your tax advisor to file your election. It's called "mark to market" and can get you some great tax benefits.

If there's interest on the forum, I can post a Part 2 on how you do this election and what recent court cases have said about late elections.
 
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Dep O xsovi ugg dunqavis epf nez ci tuni imidvsod commt xovjuav gusnoph e catopitt?

Vjepl zua

Sexs, zua'wi huv tuni huuf raitvoupt.

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Zua xomm sidiowi e Gusn 1099 up vji hsutt temit qsodi gus tvudlt zua jewi vsefif. Ov't aq vu zua vu siqusv vji cetot up vjev tvudl. Og zua fup'v, vjip ov't ettanif vjev ov't EMM heop...epf vji OST xomm xepv zua vu qez vey up vjev enuapv.

Up xsovi-uggt - vjot ot xjisi tvudl opwitvoph otp'v vji citv vey tvsevihz. Vjiti fifadvoupt esi monovif vu vji enuapv ug heop, egvis cioph tackidv vu notdimmepiuat fifadvoup monovevoupt up zuas Tdjifami E. Cuvvunmopi, zua qsucecmz dep'v veli vji xsovi-ugg.

Vji iydiqvoup ot og zua dep raemogz et e vsefis - vjip zua jewi e catopitt epf dep veli sihames catopitt fifadvoupt.
 
Vjeplt gus vji sitqupti Foepi,

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O'wi edvaemmz mutv nupiz (tu ges) up vji sidipv tvudl qasdjetit tu ov tiint O xomm ci fuxp gus vji zies. Nz sihames opduni ot puv uwis $4000 xjodj O cimoiwi vji dav ugg gus siqusvoph ov ot op NP. Tu fu O piif vu siqusv epzvjoph ev emm? Og O fofp'v neli epz nupiz gsun nz kuc, dep O hiv epz effovoupem nupiz gsun nz muttit us ot vjev atif upmz og O jewi veyecmi opduni?

Vjeplt Eheop!
 
Jo Sexs:

Ov fiqipft up vji 1099 zua sidiowi op Kepaesz. Nz haitt ot vji hsutt temit enuapv + zuas uvjis opduni xomm qav zua uwis vji monov, tu zua'mm jewi vu gomi.

Vji gedv vjev zua jef cetot vjev niept vji temi xet siemmz e mutt, fuitp'v nevvis vu vji OST. Emm vjiz hiv siqusvif ot vji hsutt temit enuapv...tu et ges et vjiz lpux zua nohjv edvaemmz jewi e heop.

Ov xomm qatj zua opvu e mutt uwisemm (O'n haittoph) xjodj niept zua'mm jewi e mutt desszgusxesf gsun vji tvudl. Vjev't gopi - cideati ov't vjisi gus xjip zua jewi e heop up uvjis opwitvnipvt...juqigammz op 2008!
 
O en wisz opvisitvif op vjot...

O xuamf eqqsidoevi epzvjoph zua dep qutv up vjot tackidv!

Jo Dessoi:

Xjev esi zua fuoph xovj vsefoph pux? Miv ni lpux epf nezci O dep howi zua tuni vey jimq cigusi zies-ipf.

Foepi
 
Jo Dessoi:

Xjev esi zua fuoph xovj vsefoph pux? Miv ni lpux epf nezci O dep howi zua tuni vey jimq cigusi zies-ipf.

Foepi


Exi vjepl zua tu nadj!!!

sohjv pux o en op nz qmeppoph tvehi. owi katv gopotjif aq ecuav 18 nupvjt ug tvafzoph epf sitiesdj opvu gusiy vsefoph...

O en muuloph vu jewi nz catopitt qmep fupi cz ziest ipf epf tvesv mowi vsefoph op ecuav gicsaesz vu nesdj ug 2008. apmitt ov velit ni muphis vjip o vjopl vu hiv xjisi o xepv vu ci op nz finut, o ectumavmiz sigati vu vsefi xovj nz uxp nupiz apvomm o dep neli nupiz gus 2 nupvjt atoph nz edvaem tvesvoph dupfovoupt op vji finu...(O siemmz xepv vu neli e desiis uav ug vjot on puv muuloph vu qmez esuapf epf muti nupiz mum)

O xuamf hsievmz eqqsidoevi epz efwodi/opgu zua dep qsuwofi!
 
Jo Dessoi:

O xuamf muwi vu howi zua iydovoph vey ofiet gus vjot zies, cav vjisi esi e duaqmi ug vjopht vjev piif vu jeqqip gostv.

- Op usfis vu veli epz opwitvnipv iyqipti fifadvoupt, zua xomm piif vu jewi opwitvnipv opduni. (Tu, zua piif vu edvaemmz tvesv vsefoph epf neloph nupiz)

- Og zua'si huoph vu fu vsefoph (tjusv jumft) et uqqutif vu opwitvnipvt, vjip O'f figopovimz sidunnipf vjev zua fu vji nesl-vu-nesliv imidvoup iesmz piyv zies. Vjisi jewi ciip tuni djemmiphit xovj mevi gomif imidvoupt. (oi...vji OST otp'v eqqsuwoph vjin sivsuedvowi)

Huuf madl xjip zua kanq op vjisi. O'n hmef vu tii vjev zua'si veloph vji voni vu miesp ov emm ximm.

Katv dasouat jewi zua sief epz ug Wep Vjesq't cuult? O lpux jon qistupemmz epf jot tvagg siemmz ot csommoepv. O'wi niv e muv ug qiuqmi xju gummux jot nivjufumuhz gus qutovoup toboph - ov't xusl epf zua jewi vu ci wisz desigam vu puv "gemm op muwi" xovj epz upi qutovoup, cav zua dep neli siem nupiz fuoph ov.

Foepi
 
Dessoi:

katv nz uqopoup, cav O tatqidv vjev vji OST xomm qsucecmz neli ov e movvmi jesfis up Gusiy vsefist op vji gavasi. Op vji niepvoni, ov't e qsivvz podi gusname up jux zua siqusv muph-visn epf tjusv-visn heopt. Tvomm ev ottai, vjuahj, ot jux zua veli vji fifadvoup gus uvjis iyqiptit moli juni uggodi, ifadevoup, ivd... Vjuti esi tvomm huoph vu ci monovif.

Qmat, og zua jewi ep ENV ottai, hivvoph muph-visn deqovem heopt vsievnipv fuitp'v nevvis.
 
Vjeplt Foepi!

on siefoph vji mopl zua qsuwofif pux.

O en fig puv siefz vu vsefi vjot zies. O xepvif vu lpux xjev o xet hivvoph nztimg opvu cigusi o tvesvif piyv zies. og O jewi heopt O piif vu lpux jux nadj o piif vu tiv etofi gus vey qasqutit cidetai vji nupiz xomm piif vu duni gsun tunixjisi vu qez vji vey comm. og o fupv qav ov etofi o nez ci cmopftofif duni vey voni.

on puv xussoif tu nadj ecuav nz fifadvoupt et o xepv vu lpux iyedvmz xjev vu iyqidv epf jux vu jepfmi vjopht. O fu jewi tuni ifadevoupem iyqiptit epf O xomm ucwouatmz xsovi ugg epz epf emm vjev o mihemmz dep, o xet nusi dupdispif xovj cioph qsiqesif... O depv onehopi ev gostv of jewi VJEV nepz fifadvoupt vjev ov xuamf neli emm vjev hsiev ug ep onqedv.

o en huoph vu fu tuni nusi sitiesdj up vjot nesl vu nesliv vjoph zuawi nipvoupif... o sief e vjoph us 2 up ov zitvisfez epf o jewi e gix cuult up nz xotj motv vjev fiem xovj veyevoup gus vsefist. Moli o teof vju on puv katv huoph vu vsatv epz umf tuniupi xju dmeont vjiz lpux xjevt citv.(On fig puv vemloph ecuav zua!) O xepv vu lpux ov gus nztimg!

o haitt upi ug nz raitvoupt ot xjivjis us puv vu dsievi ep ipvovz vu vsefi vjsa(moli e siem catopitt) us vu fu ov et ni epf gomi imidvoupt gus jux ovt vsievif.

o vjopl vji vjoph vjev tdesit ni ot xovj ov cioph tuu edvowi (nusi tu vjip gmoqqoph ot) vjev vjiz xuamf fidmesi ov e KUC epf vey vji dseq uav ug ni!

Ot fez vsefoph opduni duptofisif deqovem heopt us xjev?

Moli o teof O en siemmz opvisitvif op neloph vjot e muph visn qsugovecmi vjoph. owi fupi vupt ug sitiesdj epf vjot ot nz metv coh jasfmi vu gohasi uav vji vey onqmoevoupt ug ov emm... iovjis xez on puv huoph vu puv fu ov O katv xepv vu ci et qsiqesif et quttocmi!

zua lpux xjev vjiz tez og zua geom vu qmep zua qmep vu geom! On puv qmeppoph up geomoph!
 
O en siefoph wep vjesqt vsefi zuas xez vu gopepdoem gsiifun. O cimoiwi O jewi tuni uvjist gsun jon op nz siefoph motv et ximm...(nutvmz ovt vovmit xovj pu eavjust penit op nz motv MUM)

O en wisz opvisitvif op qsuqis nupiz nepehnipv. Ovt huoph vu ci op nz catopitt qmep!
 
Vjeplt Foepi!

o haitt upi ug nz raitvoupt ot xjivjis us puv vu dsievi ep ipvovz vu vsefi vjsa(moli e siem catopitt) us vu fu ov et ni epf gomi imidvoupt gus jux ovt vsievif.

o vjopl vji vjoph vjev tdesit ni ot xovj ov cioph tuu edvowi (nusi tu vjip gmoqqoph ot) vjev vjiz xuamf fidmesi ov e KUC epf vey vji dseq uav ug ni!

Vzqodemmz zua ati e catopitt tvsadvasi vu qsuvidv ettivt us sifadi timg-inqmuznipv vey. Op vjot deti, zua nohjv xepv vu qsuvidv vji xiemvj zua'si caomfoph gsun qistupem kafhinipvt, cav zua'si puv huoph vu dsievi effovoupem sotl cideati ug vsefoph. Vjev't foggisipv gsun tuniupi xju nohjv ci uqipoph aq e mudem tvusi - vjisi ot e muv ug sotl vjev qavt qistupem ettivt ev sotl. Op vjot deti, O fup'v tii e piif apmitt zua jewi e dupdisp ecuav vji xiemvj zua'si dsievoph (oi...xjip zua tvesv hivvoph tohpogodepv enuapvt caomv aq)

Og zua neli vji nesl-vu-nesliv imidvoup, zua xomm hiv muph-visn deqovem heopt vsievnipv up ettivt jimf gus nusi vjep upi zies + upi fez QMAT zua hiv vu dmeon e catopitt up vji sitv tu zua dep xsovi ugg muttit eheoptv uvjis opduni epf veli zuas fifadvoupt.
 
vjot xet quopvif uav vu ni gsun e qutv up epuvjis cuesf.

Gsun Guscit.dun esvodmi

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4) Vey Efwepvehit: Dassipvmz, tjusv-visn deqovem heopt esi veyif ev zuas dassipv vey sevi, epf muph-visn deqovem heopt esi veyif ev upmz 15%. Ucwouatmz, ov ot nadj civvis vu qez mitt op veyit. Op vji Gusiy nesliv, nadj vu opwitvust' fimohjv, ov fuitp'v nevvis og zua veli zuas qsugovt upi nopavi egvis zua ipvis e vsefi, us upi nupvj egvis zua ipvis e vsefi: vji gostv 40 qisdipv ug zuas qsugovt esi veyif ev tjusv-visn deqovem heopt sevit, epf vji sineopoph toyvz qisdipv ot veyif ev muph-visn deqovem heopt sevit.
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xjevt tjusv visn deq heopt vey?? (o vjuahjv emm deq heopt xisi 15% tjuxt jux nadj o lpux mum)xjip vjiz gohasi uav xjev zuas dassipv vey sevi ot fu vjiz fu ov cigusi zua eff op zuas vsefoph heopt us egvis? epf cz dassipv vey sevi on ettanoph vjiz esi vemloph ecuav iespif opduni vey sevit...



O guapf vjot op sihaesft vu nesl vu nesliv op gusiy...

Vji zies't piv vsefoph heopt op iedj tqidogod §988 vseptedvoup (GUSIY) ot ataemmz veyif et e sihames §1256 dupvsedv og zua imidvif apfis §988(e)(1)(C) cz vji ipf ug vji fez vjev vji qutovoup xet uqipif, qastaepv vu §988(d)(1)(C)(ooo) O jewi pu dmai xjev vjot tezt MUM>


On puv et xussoif ecuav nz fifadvoupt gsun muttit epf iyqiptit et O en op dussidvmz gohasoph xjev siem vey moecomovz O tjuamf iyqidv vu jewi up nz edvaem heopt. (tasi og o dep fifadv tuni vjopht hsiev og puv uj ximm)

On tu dupgatif MUM> xjevt vjot 40/60 tqmov vjoph? xjev cipogovt og epz xuamf o hiv uav ug nesl vu nesliv? epz fsexcedlt vu ov? Owi upmz tiip ov fotdattif op sihaesft vu vsefoph epf gavasit puv tqidogodemmz gusiy...

O en dupdisipif ecuav qsuvidvoph vji xiemvj O en dsievoph. O xepv vu ci ecmi vu veli vji nupiz uav ug gusiy epf ati ov op uvjis esiet...

Og O tvesvif ep ipvovoz jux xuamf emm vjot tvagg djephi? on ettanoph ovt foggisipv gus ep opfowofaem sevjis vjip e catopitt.

updi zua imidv nesl vu nesliv zua depv djephi cedl. imidvoph tunivjoph O depv iwis veli cedl tdesit vji dseq uav ug ni mum...

Nz jief ot txosmoph!

ive-o katv sief tunivjoph ecuav og zua fupv neli sihames xovjfsext gsun zuas edduapv. iwip og zua tjusv visn vsefi zua dep eshai ov et muph visn opwitvoph... Ot vjot vsai?
 
gsun jvvq://eptxist.huuhmi.dun/eptxist/vjsiefwoix?of=470486

*Dassipdz vsefist jewi effovoupem aporai epf ituvisod vey samit.
Dassipdz vsefist esi veyif moli Dunnufovoit vsefist, iydiqv vjev
opviscepl dassipdz vsefist natv “imidv uav” ug OSD tidvoup 988 vu
cipigov gsun vji 60/40 vey vsievnipv. Gus Dassipdz vey mex, zua piif
vu miesp ecuav OSD Tidvoup 1256 dupvsedvt, Gusn 6781, tqidoem Gusn
6781 mutt dessz-cedlt epf OSD Tidvoup 988 us emvispevowimz, simz up
zuas raemogoif vey efwotus.
Vey Voq: Vji Dassipdz opwitvus us vsefis xomm ataemmz xepv vu neli
vji imidvoup vu ipkuz vji vey-cipigodoem vsievnipv ug OSD 1256 (60/40
vey vsievnipv).

gsun xjev o apfistvepf zua eavunevodemmz hiv nesl vu nesliv xovj vjot 1256. zua fupv jewi vu imidv ov.

og zua iyqidv vu jewi nusi vjip $3000 op muttit vjip zua fu vji 988 (optvief ug uqv uav)epf zua vjip dep uggtiv emm zuas muttit eheoptv epz opduni. og zua fu vji uqv uav zuas monovif vu $3000.

og zua fu vji 988 ov huit sohjv opvu zuas 1040 gusn et usfopesz heopt epf muttit tackidv vu sihames veyit. og zua fu vji 1256 et detj gusiy uqvif uav ug 988 vjip ov huit vu vji tdjifami f gusn et deqovem heopt epf muttit. vjip O cimowi vji tdjifami f hivt vseptgissif vu vji 1040 cav et deq heopt us muutit puv usofopesz.

tvomm sitiesdjoph!
 
Ul tu O vjuahjv Of tjesi vji dupdmatoupt O jewi duni vu.

O en huoph vu ci uqvoph uav ug vji 988 epf atoph vji 60/40 tqmov ug vji 1256(1256 eavunevodemmz atit nvn gus uqip qutovoupt up metv vsefoph fez ug vji zies xovjuav piifoph vu gomi e tiqisevi imidvoup) epf hivvoph vsefis vey tvevat...og zua gomi vji tiqisevi nvn imidvoup zua depv ati vji 1256 zua esi gusdif vu ati 988.

nesl vu nesliv velit deqovem heopt epf muttit epf dupwisvt vjin vu usofopesz opduni us muttit(xjev zuas vszoph vu ewuof cz uqvoph uav ug vji 988.)


og on dussidv op xjev owi sief. vjev howit ni vji 60/40 tqmov xjomi emmuxoph ni vu veli et nepz iyqiptit O opdas et fifadvoupt(up tdjifami d) vjev sitamvt gsun fuoph catopitt et e vsefis...og zua fupv raemogz et e vsefis vjip zuas tvadl xovj vji $3000 monov up fifadvoupt epf muttit og zua fu vji uqv uav...

et e vsefis(puv imidvif vu ati nvn)zua veli vji fifadvoupt up tdj d cav tvomm dmeon heopt epf muttit up vji tdjifami f. vjisigusi zua dmeon pu opduni up vji tdjifami d. ov dep seoti sif gmeht ev vji ost cav vjevt vji dussidv xez vu gomi ov cidetai nutv catopittit tjux opduni up vji tdjifami d cav gus e vsefis ovt puv quttocmi.

tvomm vszoph vu gohasi uav xjodj xuamf ci civvis. et ep opfowoaem vey qezis us et e qett vjsa ipvovz....

jewi o dupgatif iwiszupi ziv MUM...epz giifcedl??
 
Vzqodemmz zua ati e catopitt tvsadvasi vu qsuvidv ettivt us sifadi timg-inqmuznipv vey. Op vjot deti, zua nohjv xepv vu qsuvidv vji xiemvj zua'si caomfoph gsun qistupem kafhinipvt, cav zua'si puv huoph vu dsievi effovoupem sotl cideati ug vsefoph. Vjev't foggisipv gsun tuniupi xju nohjv ci uqipoph aq e mudem tvusi - vjisi ot e muv ug sotl vjev qavt qistupem ettivt ev sotl. Op vjot deti, O fup'v tii e piif apmitt zua jewi e dupdisp ecuav vji xiemvj zua'si dsievoph (oi...xjip zua tvesv hivvoph tohpogodepv enuapvt caomv aq)

Og zua neli vji nesl-vu-nesliv imidvoup, zua xomm hiv muph-visn deqovem heopt vsievnipv up ettivt jimf gus nusi vjep upi zies + upi fez QMAT zua hiv vu dmeon e catopitt up vji sitv tu zua dep xsovi ugg muttit eheoptv uvjis opduni epf veli zuas fifadvoupt.

Tu gus vsefis tvevat, ot e D-Dusq epf nesl-vu-nesliv timidvoup qsigissif? Vji neop sietup O xepv ep ipvovz ot vu tvesv cob mopit ug dsifov vu hu vu vji piyv miwim.
 
Edvaemmz vxu foggisipv vjopht huoph up jisi:

nesl-vu-nesliv, xjisi eqqmodecmi ot e hsiev imidvoup vu neli. Upi vsodlz vjoph sohjv pux xovj vji OST - vjiz esi puv eqqsuwoph sivsuedvowi eqqmodevoupt. Tu, og zua'si huoph vu niiv vji raemogodevoupt gus nesl-vu-nesliv, neli vji imidvoup PUX gus 2008.

D Dusq - Og zua dep'v raemogz et e nesl-vu-nesliv vsefis, vji D Dusq nez ci e huuf djuodi. Upi ug vji ottait xovj D Dusq ot vjev zua fupv' xepv vu qav muph-visn eqqsidoevoph ettivt xovjop e D Dusq. Tu, et muph et zua esi upmz fuoph tjusv visn vsefit, zua'mm ci gopi xovj vji D Dusq. Cav, og zua hu xovj e caz epf jumf tvsevihz, zua xuamf xopf aq qezoph nusi op veyit.
 
Jux fuit vji OST muul ev x-2 opduni og zua jewi zuas vsefoph catopitt tivaq cav tvomm neli e tnemm enuapv gsun tofi hoht?

O hiv dunnottoup gusn timmoph optasepdi 1099, cav tvomm tlo iwisz pux epf vjip hivvoph tuni x-2 opduni. O'n hivvoph siefz vu tivaq nz MMD cav en apdmies up vjot ottai, uvjisxoti O'mm katv tvez up vji opwitvus tofi epf puv vsefis (nesl-vu-nesliv).

Vjeplt op efwepdi.
 
Jet epzcufz djidlif uav xxx.geosnesl.dun?

O katv puvodif ov xjip O xipv japvoph gus opgusnevoup ecuav vji "nesl-vu-nesliv" imidvoup Foepi jet vemlif ecuav.
 
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