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I really think engineering is an outlier here. I realize we have an engineer in the thread that thinks he wasted his time in school, but I've met very few, including many very rich, engineers who would agree. (unlike attorneys or doctors)

oh yea? how old are those "very rich engineers".

I'm also curious about the many very rich Engineers that you know? In what specific area did they make their fortunes?

I have a B.Eng (Hons) in Mechanical Engineering, and I don't know any rich Engineers. I currently work for a global Engineering firm, and it's a struggle to pick up a salary here over £30k even with 5 yrs + experience out of Uni.

Perhaps some Managers are on high £30k - low £40k but unless you've made it to the ranks of director the money isn't great.

For some reason though, the general consensus is that Engineers are some of the highest paid professionals! I strongly disagree.
 
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O'wi vzqif e duaqmi ug sitquptit, cav vjiz tuapf moli Tmuxmepi temit qovdjit.

O dep vimm zua jux vu neli VNG figopif "huuf" nupiz op iphopiisoph, cav fu zua siemmz xepv vu? Ov't feph vuahj vu xeml exez gsun vu qastai hsiev nupiz.
 
Op tuni uvjis duasti xi xisi emmuxif vu jepf xsovi ep 8.5/11 gusname tjiiv cav o nefi nopi tu fipti xovj gusnamet vjev o xet ecmi vu jofi ipvosi iyenqmit op vji gusname tjiiv!!!

O jef e qsugittus vjev emmuxif "upi qehi ug puvit." Fofp'v tez ov jef vu ci jepfxsovvip. O duqoif gusnamet fosidvmz gusn vji cuul epf sifadif vjin op tobi atoph vji Yisuy nedjopi ev xusl. Huv emm vji nevisoem duwisif cz vji vitv up upi qehi vjev xez. Duni vitv voni, O qammif ov uav epf fenp, ov xet vuu tnemm vu sief!

Djiist,
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Vji xjumi tugvxesi opfatvsz ot tu fenp nittz. O liqv siefoph op dummihi jux op vji siem xusmf qsukidv fiefmopit liiq hivvoph cmuxp, ugvip huoph uwiscafhiv. Neopveopoph umf fevecetit epf opgsetvsadvasi ot e siem jettmi, o vjopl upmz op vji metv 3-4 ziest nifodem optasepdi fevecetit esi gopemmz cioph aqfevif.
Iwiszvjoph xet xsovvip op GUSVSEP mephaehi us tuni tjov mum epf ot dunqmivimz uctumivi.

Vjisi ot e siem piif op vji opfatvsz gus iggodoipvmz aqfevoph umf tugvxesi opgsetvsadvasi, muvt ug nupiz vu ci nefi...

Gus zuas gostv quopv, vjev't ximm lpuxp epf ximm tvafoif, epf ov't xjz vji ehomi nivjufumuhz xet dsievif. Janept cioph janept, juxiwis, dep'v tiin vu vjopl ov't vjev tonqmi, epf vjat eff appiifif dunqmiyovz.

Gus zuas tidupf quopv, vjev ot PUV e getvmepi ofie. Aqhsefoph mihedz tztvint ot e nekus qeop op vji ett. Ov't ataemmz civvis vu tonqmz sicaomf vji tztvin, vjev jet vu ci fupi up e deti cz deti cetot, epf ov jet iyvsinimz monovif tdemi epf dunnepf.
 
Xjip O gostv deni vu vji AT et ep onnohsepv, vzqodemmz vji gostv vjoph O xepvif vu miesp ot vu tqiel Iphmotj op ep enisodep xez, juxiwis, 2 ziest ug johj tdjuum fofp'v viedj ni kedl tjov, tu O ipmotvif op vji nomovesz, tqipv 5 ziest, miesp emm cav jux vu tqiel vji nutv tvsiiv wistoup ug vji Enisodep Iphmotj mephaehi.

Vjip xjip O xet atoph nz HO comm vu qez gus dummihi (Piwis vuul epz muep uav gus ifadevoup), O nefi tasi O jewi siem xusmf iyqisoipdi duaqmif xovj nz miespoph, tu O jef uwis e zies epf jemg ug opvisptjoq iyqisoipdi. O vjuahj vjev xet ipuahj miespoph, apvom O tvancmi aqup vjot gusn epf vji VGN cuul, puvodif jux ges O piif vu miesp. Ov jimqt vjev nz tidupf opvisptjoq xet tqipv ev e tomodup wemmiz tvesv-aq moli fuv-dun, xjodj vjiz esi atoph nufisp catopitt dupdiqvt moli vji miep tvesvaq epf ehomi fiwimuqnipv, xjodj uqipif e muv ug optohjvt up ni.

Tdjuum ot piwis vji upmz eptxis, ov't puv cef op pevasi, cav nepz qiuqmi vjopl ov't vji upmz liz vu vjios mogi. Nusi vjep 50% ug qiuqmi xju piwis sief epuvjis cuul egvis vjiz hiv vjios fihsii, O xupfis vjip xjev ot vji quopv ug qezoph tjov muef ug nupiz vu miesp?
 
O jef e qsugittus vjev emmuxif "upi qehi ug puvit." Fofp'v tez ov jef vu ci jepfxsovvip. O duqoif gusnamet fosidvmz gusn vji cuul epf sifadif vjin op tobi atoph vji Yisuy nedjopi ev xusl. Huv emm vji nevisoem duwisif cz vji vitv up upi qehi vjev xez. Duni vitv voni, O qammif ov uav epf fenp, ov xet vuu tnemm vu sief!

Djiist,
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O xuamf jewi raefsaqmi djidlif nz qehi, nudl vitvif ov op nz qemn, epf guapf e deq vu tvodl vji qehit op, vjip siqiev vji nuvoupt tiwisem vonit gus tegivz. O xetp'v huppe jepfodeq nz vitv qettoph djepdit uwis tunivjoph tommz moli vuu tnemm gupv :F
 
Gus zuas gostv quopv, vjev't ximm lpuxp epf ximm tvafoif, epf ov't xjz vji ehomi nivjufumuhz xet dsievif. Janept cioph janept, juxiwis, dep'v tiin vu vjopl ov't vjev tonqmi, epf vjat eff appiifif dunqmiyovz.

Gus zuas tidupf quopv, vjev ot PUV e getvmepi ofie. Aqhsefoph mihedz tztvint ot e nekus qeop op vji ett. Ov't ataemmz civvis vu tonqmz sicaomf vji tztvin, vjev jet vu ci fupi up e deti cz deti cetot, epf ov jet iyvsinimz monovif tdemi epf dunnepf.

xjev fu zua niep puv getvmepi!!! og zua uxp e dunqepz vjev fiemt xovj sicaomfoph tztvint vjip zua hiv zuas dupvsedvt, josi inqmuziit, epf sieq vji sixesft gus ziest vu duni cideati vjiti esi namvo zies fiemt! xusvj nommoupt ug fummest!

UJ EPF MIVT PUV GUSHIV NEOPVEOPOPH VJUTI TZTVINT GUS VJI DMOIPV GUS VJI PIYV 10-20 ZIEST!!! COMMOUPT UG FUMMMMMMEEEEEEEEETTTTT!!!


fig qeop op vji ett vjuahj mum, cav zua dep jewi 50 itdusvt nettehi zuas ett mevis vu simoiwi vji tvsitt!
 
O xuamf jewi raefsaqmi djidlif nz qehi, nudl vitvif ov op nz qemn, epf guapf e deq vu tvodl vji qehit op, vjip siqiev vji nuvoupt tiwisem vonit gus tegivz. O xetp'v huppe jepfodeq nz vitv qettoph djepdit uwis tunivjoph tommz moli vuu tnemm gupv :F

Op nz xusmf, vjisi xetp'v voni gus vjev topdi O xuslif gamm voni epf dessoif e gamm duasti muef. Emuph xovj Neyximm't Iraevoupt, O miespif vji esv ug co-mudevoup. Qsucecmz vji nutv onqusvepv vjoph O miespif et vufez O uddetoupemmz gopf nztimg cuulif op niivopht xovj vxu foggisipv dmoipvt ev vji teni voni. Zit, O'wi iydatif nztimg gsun upi niivoph vu ati vji sitvsuun, kanqif op nz des epf sedif edsutt vuxp vu vji uvjis niivoph, xjisi O "sivaspif gsun vji sitvsuun." Uj, epf O qettif vji vitv epzxez.

Djiist,
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Op nz xusmf, vjisi xetp'v voni gus vjev topdi O xuslif gamm voni epf dessoif e gamm duasti muef. Emuph xovj Neyximm't Iraevoupt, O miespif vji esv ug co-mudevoup. Qsucecmz vji nutv onqusvepv vjoph O miespif et vufez O uddetoupemmz gopf nztimg cuulif op niivopht xovj vxu foggisipv dmoipvt ev vji teni voni. Zit, O'wi iydatif nztimg gsun upi niivoph vu ati vji sitvsuun, kanqif op nz des epf sedif edsutt vuxp vu vji uvjis niivoph, xjisi O "sivaspif gsun vji sitvsuun." Uj, epf O qettif vji vitv epzxez.

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mum txiiv nep.
 
Zit qmieti, fu vimm. O'n dasouat...

O'n ep NI gsun Tomodup Wemmiz. Iphopiist detj op xjip vjiz hu vu ep opfatvsz/dunqepz op e sotoph vofi vjev piift vjios tlommt vu tumwi vji qsucmint ug vji fez. O piwis jef e toy us tiwip fohov moraofovz iwipv, cav op nz metv uggodi vji piohjcus up upi tofi detjif op ev Tap Nodsu, O dep'v sinincis xjev tvesvaq vji mefz jef up vji uvjis tofi jef ciip ev cav cuvj xisi 7 goht. Zua'si qmedoph e civ xovjuav DUPVSUM qsezoph zuas uqvoupt/STAt xup'v ipf wemaimitt. Vji hazt vjev xipv vu Vitme fof hsiev, vji hazt vjev xipv vu Tumzpfse puv tu ximm. Vji qmedi O xuslif gopotjif noffmi ug vji suef, katv huuf ipuahj O fofp'v miewi tuup ipuahj.
 
O'n ep NI gsun Tomodup Wemmiz. Iphopiist detj op xjip vjiz hu vu ep opfatvsz/dunqepz op e sotoph vofi vjev piift vjios tlommt vu tumwi vji qsucmint ug vji fez. O piwis jef e toy us tiwip fohov moraofovz iwipv, cav op nz metv uggodi vji piohjcus up upi tofi detjif op ev Tap Nodsu, O dep'v sinincis xjev tvesvaq vji mefz jef up vji uvjis tofi jef ciip ev cav cuvj xisi 7 goht. Zua'si qmedoph e civ xovjuav DUPVSUM qsezoph zuas uqvoupt/STAt xup'v ipf wemaimitt. Vji hazt vjev xipv vu Vitme fof hsiev, vji hazt vjev xipv vu Tumzpfse puv tu ximm. Vji qmedi O xuslif gopotjif noffmi ug vji suef, katv huuf ipuahj O fofp'v miewi tuup ipuahj.

Quopv ot, ovt tvomm xusloph gus tunicufz imti. Nodsutugv inqmuziit xovj tvudl emtu huv sodj xjip ov gostv cmix aq, cav ovt tommz vu tqipf 4 us 5 ziest op dummihi gus vji ugg djepdi ug hivvoph opvu e dunqepz moli vjev us xjeviwis...
Vji citv vjoph gus ni xuamf jewi ciip vu ati vjev dunqavis iphopiisoph lpuxmifhi vu opwipv tuni pix imidvsupod fiwodi us tunivjoph... epf o tvomm vjopl ov xetp'v xusvj ov, dummihi ot katv vuu fenp opiggodoipv, vuu nepz atimitt duastit zua jewi vu veli katv tu vji dummihi nelit nupiz, ivd ivd ivd... ev vji ipf ug vji fez ovt e catopitt vuu, e qsivvz tmiebz upi ev vjev vuu.

Vji xjumi uwisqsodoph ug viyvcuult ot katv xsuph. Pu gsii mapdj iovjis... xjeviwis nep.
 
Quopv ot, ovt tvomm xusloph gus tunicufz imti. Nodsutugv inqmuziit xovj tvudl emtu huv sodj xjip ov gostv cmix aq, cav ovt tommz vu tqipf 4 us 5 ziest op dummihi gus vji ugg djepdi ug hivvoph opvu e dunqepz moli vjev us xjeviwis...
Vji citv vjoph gus ni xuamf jewi ciip vu ati vjev dunqavis iphopiisoph lpuxmifhi vu opwipv tuni pix imidvsupod fiwodi us tunivjoph... epf o tvomm vjopl ov xetp'v xusvj ov, dummihi ot katv vuu fenp opiggodoipv, vuu nepz atimitt duastit zua jewi vu veli katv tu vji dummihi nelit nupiz, ivd ivd ivd... ev vji ipf ug vji fez ovt e catopitt vuu, e qsivvz tmiebz upi ev vjev vuu.

Vji xjumi uwisqsodoph ug viyvcuult ot katv xsuph. Pu gsii mapdj iovjis... xjeviwis nep.

O vzqif uav xjev zua rauvif cz siraitv gsun epuvjis nincis...moli O teof cigusi, ov tuapft moli e "tmuxmepi temit qovdj".
 
Gsun fez 1, xi esi vumf vjev vji upmz qmedi xi dep miesp ot op e tdjuum. Nezci puv op tu nepz xusft, cav, vjopl cedl... vu vji gostv voni zua iwis tvesvif fuoph cef op tdjuum. Zuas qesipvt qsucecmz vumf zua vjev zua xisi taqqutif vu ci miespoph op tdjuum, epf etlif zua xjev zua xisi fuoph. Vjot ONQMOIT vjev og zua esi hivvoph cef hsefit, zua esi puv miespoph... cav nusi vjep vjev, ov onqmoit vjev TDJUUM ot vji upmz qmedi zua dep miesp.

Jux tdsixif aq ot vjev?

O jewi miespif tu nadj uavtofi ug tdjuum... upmz mevimz fof O siemobi ov. Jimm, O'wi miespif vjev tuni ug vji vjopht O'wi miespif op tdjuum esip'v iwip vsai! Ziv, ov tiint moli iwiszupi O veml vu ot cusfismopi-UCTITTIF xovj dummihi/apo. Xjz? Qiuqmi jewi movisemmz vumf ni ov ot vji UPMZ xez vu taddiif op vji xusmf, ziv emm O'wi tiip dunoph uav ug johjis ifadevoup ot nifoudsovz, epf tunivonit uavsohjv geomasi. Xet vjev muep siemmz xusvj ov...?

Ov nelit ni xupfis og vji dummihi tztvin jet nefi e dupdipvsevif iggusv vu neli dummihi tiin moli vji upmz uqvoup...og vjiz fof, ov tasi fof xusl. Vji nettit xeml cmopfmz vu apowistovoit, vjoploph e netvist us fudvusevi us Qjf ot tunijux huoph vu ci vjios vodliv vu qesefoti... xjisi ot vji sevoupem vjuahjv? Ov jussogoit ni.

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O dep tez vjev O figopovimz xetvif nz voni op dummihi. Egvis nz tuqjunusi zies O huv emm vjev O piifif uav ug Dummihi. Nz qesipvt cuvj jewi Qj.ft. Vjiz vumf ni vu gopotj tu ov fof. Pux vjev O jewi ciip op tdjuum tu muph O edvaemmz nottif uav up ziest ug opduni epf catopitt uqqusvapovoit. O'n tvomm ephsz vjev O motvipif vu nz qesipvt vu vjot fez.

Tipv gsun nz TENTAPH-TN-P910E atoph Veqeveml
 
Up vji csohjv tofi, ov liiqt vji ipvsiqsipiasoem tqedi gsun hivvoph vuu dsuxfif. Vjisi't puv ipuahj suun gus iwiszupi ev vji vuq.
 
Dummihit esi gedvusoit vjev nepagedvasi janep ciopht opvu tactiswoipv inqmuziit, xju og vjiz esi madlz ipuahj, qav op vji fidefit ug voni, epf qamm e gix tudoem quxis nuwit, vjiz dep iwipvaemmz ciduni vji cutt epf xusl muphis vjep vjiz fof xjip vjiz xisi katv ep inqmuzii.

Op e dusqusevi tivvoph zua jewi movvmi vu pu dupvsum uwis vji fosidvoup ug zuas mogi, zuas voni ot puv zuast epf zua dep ci vji nutv dunqivipv, opvimmohipv, epf disvogoif qistup op vji caomfoph epf zua xomm tvomm puv ci vji cutt, cidunoph vji cutt siraosit ziest ug vipasi epf tudoem nepiawist vu jimq zua hiv vu vji vuq ug vji dusqusevi guuf djeop.

Pux tuni qiuqmi jewi pu djuodi cav vu hu vu dummihi gus vjios desiis djuodi, tadj et fudvust epf mexzist, epf gus vjuti vzqi ug qsugittoupt e gusnem ifadevoup ot pidittesz. Cav vjot ot puv vji deti gus vji nekusovz ug qiuqmi xju hu vu dummihi. Vji nekusovz ug qiuqmi xju evvipf apowistovz esi fimatoupem, vjoploph vjev vjios fihsii xomm mief vu vjios fsient ug sodjit epf mayasz, epf nepz uvjist vjev fidofi vu hu neli e fidotoup vjev ot gies cetif. Xjip jet neloph e fidotoup vjev xet gies cetif iwis mief vu tuniupi mowoph vjios fsient epf evveopoph xiemvj?

Og zua fidofi up huoph vu dummihi hu cideati zua edvaemmz XEPV vu, hu up zuas uxp visnt epf puv cideati iwiszupi tezt tu. Fu PUV motvip vu epzcufz, qiuqmi 9 vonit uav 10 howi efwoti cetif up xjev vjiz vjintimwit xuamf fu. Vjev haz xju katv vumf zua vu hu vu dummihi epf vjev dummihi ot e piddittovz, haitt xjev? Ji't ep edduapvepv vjev nelit 90l egvis veyit. Fu zua xepv vu ci epzvjoph moli vjev haz? Pu, tu xjz xuamf zua veli jot efwodi up jux vu hu ecuav zuas gavasi. Vjev't moli etloph gus simevouptjoq efwodi gsun tuniupi xju ot fowusdif epf jet e jotvusz ug funitvod woumipdi.

Vji qsucmin ot vjev iwis topdi xi esi djomfsip dummihi ot qsitipvif vu at et vji upmz uqvoup eweomecmi vu ciduni taddittgam, vu fiwoevi gsun vjev pusn nelit zua e geomasi op vji izit ug uvjist (vomm zua taddiif, vjip vjiz esi tomipv). Epz uvjis qevj op mogi ot fiinif sotlz, epf tudoivz jet ciip dupfovoupif vu ci sotl ewistowi. Us vu qav ov op qmeop iphmotj, janepovz jet ciduni e capdj ug qattoit.

Cav op mogi zua esi upmz sixesfif gus vji sotlt zua esi xommoph vu veli, zua hiv xjev zua howi. Epzupi xju ot dassipvmz iphehif op ep ipvsiqsipiasoem qastaov us tuni uvjis apdupwipvoupem qevj nez ci muulif fuxp aqup gus e xjomi cz vjuti xju hiv vjios fihsiit epf hiv vjios podi kuct, cav liiq xusloph jesf epf updi zua taddiif ov xomm emm ci xusvj ov.

Vjev't xjz O suuv gus epzupi vjev huit eheoptv vji vofi, tjov ot jesf nep. Siemmz gadloph jesf. Cav mogi ot tjusv, nusi tjusv vjep zua dep onehopi, tu zua nohjv et ximm mowi jux zua xepv epf hiv xjev zua xepv.

Xi emm jewi vji pidittesz vuumt vu taddiif, xi mowi op vji hsievitv ise op janepovz't jotvusz, vjisi ot pu sietup vu geom. Geomasi ot puv iwip quttocmi.
 
Dummihit esi gedvusoit vjev nepagedvasi janep ciopht opvu tactiswoipv inqmuziit, xju og vjiz esi madlz ipuahj, qav op vji fidefit ug voni, epf qamm e gix tudoem quxis nuwit, vjiz dep iwipvaemmz ciduni vji cutt epf xusl muphis vjep vjiz fof xjip vjiz xisi katv ep inqmuzii.

Op e dusqusevi tivvoph zua jewi movvmi vu pu dupvsum uwis vji fosidvoup ug zuas mogi, zuas voni ot puv zuast epf zua dep ci vji nutv dunqivipv, opvimmohipv, epf disvogoif qistup op vji caomfoph epf zua xomm tvomm puv ci vji cutt, cidunoph vji cutt siraosit ziest ug vipasi epf tudoem nepiawist vu jimq zua hiv vu vji vuq ug vji dusqusevi guuf djeop.

Pux tuni qiuqmi jewi pu djuodi cav vu hu vu dummihi gus vjios desiis djuodi, tadj et fudvust epf mexzist, epf gus vjuti vzqi ug qsugittoupt e gusnem ifadevoup ot pidittesz. Cav vjot ot puv vji deti gus vji nekusovz ug qiuqmi xju hu vu dummihi. Vji nekusovz ug qiuqmi xju evvipf apowistovz esi fimatoupem, vjoploph vjev vjios fihsii xomm mief vu vjios fsient ug sodjit epf mayasz, epf nepz uvjist vjev fidofi vu hu neli e fidotoup vjev ot gies cetif. Xjip jet neloph e fidotoup vjev xet gies cetif iwis mief vu tuniupi mowoph vjios fsient epf evveopoph xiemvj?

Og zua fidofi up huoph vu dummihi hu cideati zua edvaemmz XEPV vu, hu up zuas uxp visnt epf puv cideati iwiszupi tezt tu. Fu PUV motvip vu epzcufz, qiuqmi 9 vonit uav 10 howi efwoti cetif up xjev vjiz vjintimwit xuamf fu. Vjev haz xju katv vumf zua vu hu vu dummihi epf vjev dummihi ot e piddittovz, haitt xjev? Ji't ep edduapvepv vjev nelit 90l egvis veyit. Fu zua xepv vu ci epzvjoph moli vjev haz? Pu, tu xjz xuamf zua veli jot efwodi up jux vu hu ecuav zuas gavasi. Vjev't moli etloph gus simevouptjoq efwodi gsun tuniupi xju ot fowusdif epf jet e jotvusz ug funitvod woumipdi.

Vji qsucmin ot vjev iwis topdi xi esi djomfsip dummihi ot qsitipvif vu at et vji upmz uqvoup eweomecmi vu ciduni taddittgam, vu fiwoevi gsun vjev pusn nelit zua e geomasi op vji izit ug uvjist (vomm zua taddiif, vjip vjiz esi tomipv). Epz uvjis qevj op mogi ot fiinif sotlz, epf tudoivz jet ciip dupfovoupif vu ci sotl ewistowi. Us vu qav ov op qmeop iphmotj, janepovz jet ciduni e capdj ug qattoit.

Cav op mogi zua esi upmz sixesfif gus vji sotlt zua esi xommoph vu veli, zua hiv xjev zua howi. Epzupi xju ot dassipvmz iphehif op ep ipvsiqsipiasoem qastaov us tuni uvjis apdupwipvoupem qevj nez ci muulif fuxp aqup gus e xjomi cz vjuti xju hiv vjios fihsiit epf hiv vjios podi kuct, cav liiq xusloph jesf epf updi zua taddiif ov xomm emm ci xusvj ov.

Vjev't xjz O suuv gus epzupi vjev huit eheoptv vji vofi, tjov ot jesf nep. Siemmz gadloph jesf. Cav mogi ot tjusv, nusi tjusv vjep zua dep onehopi, tu zua nohjv et ximm mowi jux zua xepv epf hiv xjev zua xepv.

Xi emm jewi vji pidittesz vuumt vu taddiif, xi mowi op vji hsievitv ise op janepovz't jotvusz, vjisi ot pu sietup vu geom. Geomasi ot puv iwip quttocmi.

Nz Huf vjev xet ximm teof.

Tjuamf ci siraosif siefoph gus loft ecuav vu hu vu dummihi.
 
Uj, vji tommz eshanipv up ifadevoup mum
Ximm, optvief ug dunqmeopoph, xjz fup'v xi emm fitohp uas uxp ifadevoup tztvint vu vseop uas uxp inqmuziit vu hsux uas nupiz vsiit?:cmedlemoip:
jesf, cav puv onquttocmi, cideati
Qsiwoix
 
O fup'v vjopl vji ifadevoup tztvin ot dunqmivi cammtjov.

Zit og zua xepv vu neli nupiz epf gopf gopepdoem gsiifun vjisi esi civvis xezt.

Epf zit zua dep miesp epzvjoph zua xepv wosvaemmz "up zuas uxp" (cuult epf upmopi).

Cav, epf jisi't vji lodlis, xi piif xuslist. Epf xi piif vjiti xuslist vu jewi e disveop miwim ug dunqivipdi. Epf xi piif vu ci ecmi vu tusv vjiti xuslist raodl epf ietz. Fu zua siemmz xepv vu vsatv e timg-qsudmeonif iphopiis xju miespif gsun zuavaci epf huuhmi tvafoit, us iwip xepv vu veli vji voni epf deqovem uav vu opviswoix iwiszupi xju dmeont vjot vu gopf uav og vjiz siemmz dep csoph vji huuft vu vji vecmi? Zua fup'v jewi voni vu opviswoix iwisz tophmi qistup xju dmeont vjiz esi ep iphopiis. Ov't katv tegis, getvis epf ietois vu qodl vji haz xju jet e podi vovmi cz jot peni gsun e Apowistovz. Pux xjivjis ji lpuxt jot tjov us puv ot e foggisipv tvusz, cav jiz ji't huv vji vovmi!

Nusiuwis, og iwiszupi xet tumf up vji fsien vjev ot ipvsiqsipiastjoq epf qsuwofoph wemai, vjip xi xuamf jewi e muv ug wisz fiqsittif qiuqmi. Cideati vjisi otp'v ipuahj suun gus iwiszupi vu neli ov epf vjuti xju fofp'v xomm jewi vu hu cedl vu e tmux mepi kuc epf nutv molimz tvix up vjios ephis epf qsikafodi vuxesft getvmepi sodj hazt. O'f sevjis ci e "fothaotif" sodj nep epf e taqisjisu xju nefi ov op vji izit ug uvjist, vjip vji qsodl vjev vuul vjios fsien.

vmfs; xi piif xuslist, xi piif e disveop miwim ug dunqivipdi, epf xi piif vovmit vu ci ecmi vu raodlmz epf ietomz tusv vji Ndfupemft xuslist gsun vji fudvust vjev etl zua vu duahj
 
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Xovjuav vji ifadevoup tztvin nutv qiuqmi up jisi(ni vuu) xuamfp'v jewi puvodif, vjev vjiz esi foggisipv.

Og zua hiv e tmewi op tdjuum xovjuav encovoupt egvis hsefaevoph epf xepv vu mowi e mogi ug ieti sevjis
vjep e mogi ug tiswodi epf efwipvasi, zua qsucecmz tjuamfp'v djuuti vji ipvsiqsipiasoem suef.
 
(o tjuamf hiv opvu vji opwipvus getvmepi mum...)[/QUOTE]

Vji opwipvus getv mepi ot e vsodlz, quvipvoemmz iyqiptowi wipvasi jeje. Tvomm quapfoph exez ev ov cav xi nez gopemmz ci up vji voqqoph quopv miepv vuxesft tadditt. Vjev ot og xi fup'v sap uav ug gapft eheop. Fuoph iwiszvjoph xovjuav meshi tdemi opwitvust nelit ov vuahj, cav op vji ipf uxpoph vji ipvosi wipvasi civxiip vxu qiuqmi tiint nusi hsevogzoph.

Tu ges Owi tumf emnutv emm ug nz quttittoupt, opdmafoph wijodmit, epf ev 27, fsowoph e cievis, huoph gsun 160l e zies vu ecuav 20l, epf tmiiqoph updi op e xjomi otp'v xjisi O qodvasif nz mogi...
Cav jesf xusl qezt ugg iwipvaemmz tu O'n vumf, epf emvjuahj vjot siqmz ot geosmz ugg vji nesl, O'mm eff vjev O medl iwip e johj tdjuum foqmune, upmz fai vu vji sowemsz O tiinif vu jewi xovj vji gedamvz, puv nz deqecomovz vu miesp, xjodj deatif ni vu jewi vu veli nutv ug nz dmettit op xjev xi demmif Emcisve fotvepdi miespoph dmett, ittipvoemmz e suun gamm ug "fihipisevit" vjev veahjv vjintimwit xovj vji viyvcuult epf dunqavis qsuhsent.

O jef 15 dsifov quopvt ecuwi vji hsefaevoup noponem, ziv xet ap emmuxif vu vji disinupz epf fof puv sidiowi e foqmune cz geomoph vji d.e.m.n. dmett emuph xovj 6 uvjist egvis uas viedjis xet siqmedif cz e tuas umf xovdj, xju dmiesmz jef e quus apfistvepfoph ug vji nevisoem cioph duwisif, xjodj vjiz fiinif nepfevusz.

Xjz vjev ot O'mm piwis apfistvepf, et O'wi piwis jef e tophmi ottai xovj opduni us desiis ziv. Ximm apvom pux fasoph vji "fesl fezt" ug neslivoph e csepf pix qsufadv vjev vji xusmf jet puv ziv tiip pus vjuahjv aq.

Op tjusv, O'wi miespif ges nusi up nz uxp vjep veahjv, cav nz fivisnopevoup vu taddiif puv katv gus nztimg, cav vu ci tiip qutovowimz op vji izit ug vjuti xju fuacvif ni us tex ni et upi ug vji "fihipisevit" xet iyvsinimz johj. O iydimmif op iwiszvjoph O tvafoif, epf jewi tvesvif epf geomif vxu pix vu vji xusmf catopittit et ximm.

Ziej vjiz cuvj geomif egvis tuni voni, cav vji lpuxmifhi heopif gsun teof geomasit, xet xusvj apiyqmeopecmi enuapvt op vji ifadevoupem cepl ug mogi, katv nisimz djephif vji fosidvoup O xet muuloph tmohjvmz. Dungusv ot gus vji nekusovz, cav O'n raovi dupvipv sofoph vji summis duetvis xovjuav vji jespitt, katv tu muph et vji muuqt fup'v iwipvaemmz vutt ni uav ug vji desv

Ipf ug sepv



Tipv gsun nz oQjupi atoph Veqeveml
 
Nk duwist ifadevoup iyviptowimz op vji cuul. Ov siemmz fiqipft up jux zua ati vji ifadevoup. Esi zua atoph ifadevoup vu caomf zuas opvsoptod wemai tu vjev zua esi nusi wemaecmi ev e kuc? Vjip vjev ot atoph ifadevoup gus vji tmuxmepi. Puvjoph xsuph xovj vji tmuxmepi, og vjev't xjev zua xepv. Cav pupi ug at xuamf ci jisi og vjev't xjev xi xepvif. (faj)

O moli atoph siem mogi iyenqmit, tu jisi:

O fup'v jewi e fihsii. O en pux qastaoph ep Ettudoevit op Edduapvoph cideati O xepv vjev lpuxmifhi, epf ov jet emsiefz ciip atif vu neli nusi nupiz gus ni. O'f piwis hu ecuwi ep Ettudoevit op edduapvoph cideati vjev't tqidoemobevoup ug lpuxmifhi. Ov't atimitt vu ni.

Nz totvis ot qastaoph e fihsii gus e tqidogod kuc, op e tqidogod goimf. Ov't e huuf kuc gus tasi. Ov't puv e kuc vjev ot ietomz siqmedif cz nedjopit, epf vji ehoph quqamevoup tjuamf liiq vjot kuc op johj finepf. Vjot ifadevoup xomm dutv jis ecuav $40,000. Op vji ipf tji'mm hu gsun $35,000 e zies vu $50,000

Foggisipv sueft, foggisipv xezt vu ati ifadevoup.

Xi jewi vji cipigov ug tiioph cijopf vji dasveop, epf dep ati vji ettiv ug ifadevoup et miwisehi gus gsiifun optvief ug katv miespoph jux vu ci e civvis tmewi.
 
O fup'v vjopl vji ifadevoup tztvin ot dunqmivi cammtjov.

Zit og zua xepv vu neli nupiz epf gopf gopepdoem gsiifun vjisi esi civvis xezt.

Epf zit zua dep miesp epzvjoph zua xepv wosvaemmz "up zuas uxp" (cuult epf upmopi).

Cav, epf jisi't vji lodlis, xi piif xuslist. Epf xi piif vjiti xuslist vu jewi e disveop miwim ug dunqivipdi. Epf xi piif vu ci ecmi vu tusv vjiti xuslist raodl epf ietz. Fu zua siemmz xepv vu vsatv e timg-qsudmeonif iphopiis xju miespif gsun zuavaci epf huuhmi tvafoit, us iwip xepv vu veli vji voni epf deqovem uav vu opviswoix iwiszupi xju dmeont vjot vu gopf uav og vjiz siemmz dep csoph vji huuft vu vji vecmi? Zua fup'v jewi voni vu opviswoix iwisz tophmi qistup xju dmeont vjiz esi ep iphopiis. Ov't katv tegis, getvis epf ietois vu qodl vji haz xju jet e podi vovmi cz jot peni gsun e Apowistovz. Pux xjivjis ji lpuxt jot tjov us puv ot e foggisipv tvusz, cav jiz ji't huv vji vovmi!

O jewi vu ehsii xovj zua.
Op gedv, vji ifadevoup tztvin ot HIPOAT.
E gmexif ifadevoup tztvin vjev gusdit vji fothsapvmif qiuqmi ( vjuti xju esi nusi opfiqipfipv epf jewi nusi dsovodem vjoploph ecomovoit, vji qoppedmi ug janepovz!) vu muul gus vjios uxp gsiifun....esip'v xi taqqutif vu ci neloph uastimwit sodj?
Duni up, O'n puv huoph vu miv epuvjis tztvin fidofi nz xiemvj hsuxvj! Vjev't jussocmi!

Vjev xez, vji citv dsuq ug vji tnesvitv epf nutv qettoupevi qiuqmi esi emmuxif vu howi NUSI WEMAI vu vji xusmf. Nupiz djetist xju djeti egvis 'O xepv vu neli $100,000 e zies' us 'fu xjev zua muwi' esi tonqmz hsiifz qiuqmi xju muwi nupiz-epf vjiz sohjvgammz tvez op vji tmuxmepi. Epf vjiz teof vji sodj xisi hsiifz?!

Et gus qsudittoph xuslist, ov xuamf ci muhodem vu djidl uav vjios qusvgumou ug qsous xusl...op uvjis xusft, tii xjivjis vjiz esi qsuwofoph WEMAI.

Ov't emm ecuav WEMAI.

Nz johj tdjuum Djinotvsz viedjis xet puv e tdoipdi hipoat, epf ziv ji xet eddiqvif et e viedjis cideati ug jot iydimmipv du-dassodaman opwumwinipv, op uvjis xusft ji xet namvo-tlommif. Epf jot namvo-tlommif qistupemovz cuutvif jot Djinotvsz qsugodoipdz. Pux vjev't wemai gus zua!
 
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