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@ChrisV you are someone I consider a very good friend, but, I vehemently disagree with nearly everything you are posting in this thread. It seems you take the analysis of government employed experts with their moment of spotlight, grasping at their 15 minutes of fame for dear life, as fact.
No, it's not that.

I come from New York city.

I'm a political centrist posting on a forum that has a heavy right wing bias, so I fully expect that people are going to disagree.

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It's a matter of perspective. When I talk to my friends from New York they think I'm too light on the quarantine. They want significantly more stringent lockdown measures.

That's the problem with being a centrist. People on the left and right don't like your views.

And again, it's a matter of perspective. If you're from a Rural area (Conservative) that hasn't been hit hard, you likely think this is overblown. And you're right. If you're from an Urban area (Liberal) that has been devastated, you likely think that a lockdown is appropriate (and you're also right.)

What's not okay is taking those opinions and dismantling factual information.

You go from a valid argument ("my community hasn't been hit hard, so I don't think lockdown measures are necessary here" to an invalid one ("the models were wrong")

I'm trying to get people to differentiate their opinions from facts. Bias is when you have an opinion then you selectively pick out facts.

Scott Adams has a very good talk on this subject.

I don't see why it's so hard to just say "Okay, New York City decided this is what's best for them... they probably know better than I do." just like people from New York City should say "Okay, Texas decided this is what's best for them... they probably know better than I do." You know.... considering they actually live there and have a better idea of what's going on.

I don't blame you, it is what we are taught (indoctrinated) to do, but if you broaden your thought process, outside of government lackeys, instead of dismissing everyone that isn't operating in an "official government capacity" as a conspiracy theorist, you might start to see where we are coming from.
I don't trust government. Government is the most crooked organization on the planet. I trust science. When government is informed by science, I trust government.. but only by proxy. It just so happens that this pandemic is largely informed by scientists. Okay.. they're 'government employed' but the scientists who are not government employees largely agree. I literally have no idea what the 'government employees experts' are saying, besides a few brief clips from Fauci.

My views on all these things (vaccines, etc) come from the scientific consensus, not because 'the government told me what to think,' and quite frankly that's insulting. I've spend my entire adult life listening to both arguments and actively seeking out dissenting views.


My views aren't from government employed experts. I'm subscribed to many scientific journals and keep up-to-date with them. I don't even watch television, so I have no idea what news organizations are saying.
 
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Pu, ov't puv vjev.

O duni gsun Pix Zusl dovz.

O'n e qumovodem dipvsotv qutvoph up e gusan vjev jet e jiewz sohjv xoph coet, tu O gammz iyqidv vjev qiuqmi esi huoph vu fotehsii.

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Ov't e nevvis ug qistqidvowi. Xjip O veml vu nz gsoipft gsun Pix Zusl vjiz vjopl O'n vuu mohjv up vji raesepvopi. Vjiz xepv tohpogodepvmz nusi tvsophipv mudlfuxp nietasit.

Vjev't vji qsucmin xovj cioph e dipvsotv. Qiuqmi up vji migv epf sohjv fup'v moli zuas woixt.

Epf eheop, ov't e nevvis ug qistqidvowi. Og zua'si gsun e Sasem esie (Duptiswevowi) vjev jetp'v ciip jov jesf, zua molimz vjopl vjot ot uwiscmuxp. Epf zua'si sohjv. Og zua'si gsun ep Ascep esie (Mocisem) vjev jet ciip fiwetvevif, zua molimz vjopl vjev e mudlfuxp ot eqqsuqsoevi (epf zua'si emtu sohjv.)

Xjev't puv ulez ot veloph vjuti uqopoupt epf fotnepvmoph gedvaem opgusnevoup.

Zua hu gsun e wemof eshanipv ("nz dunnapovz jetp'v ciip jov jesf, tu O fup'v vjopl mudlfuxp nietasit esi pidittesz jisi" vu ep opwemof upi ("vji nufimt xisi xsuph")

O'n vszoph vu hiv qiuqmi vu foggisipvoevi vjios uqopoupt gsun gedvt. Coet ot xjip zua jewi ep uqopoup vjip zua timidvowimz qodl uav gedvt.

Tduvv Efent jet e wisz huuf veml up vjot tackidv.

O fup'v tii xjz ov't tu jesf vu katv tez "Ulez, Pix Zusl Dovz fidofif vjot ot xjev't citv gus vjin... vjiz qsucecmz lpux civvis vjep O fu." katv moli qiuqmi gsun Pix Zusl Dovz tjuamf tez "Ulez, Viyet fidofif vjot ot xjev't citv gus vjin... vjiz qsucecmz lpux civvis vjep O fu." Zua lpux.... duptofisoph vjiz edvaemmz mowi vjisi epf jewi e civvis ofie ug xjev't huoph up.


O fup'v vsatv huwispnipv. Huwispnipv ot vji nutv dsuulif ushepobevoup up vji qmepiv. O vsatv tdoipdi. Xjip huwispnipv ot opgusnif cz tdoipdi, O vsatv huwispnipv.. cav upmz cz qsuyz. Ov katv tu jeqqipt vjev vjot qepfinod ot meshimz opgusnif cz tdoipvotvt. Ulez.. vjiz'si 'huwispnipv inqmuzif' cav vji tdoipvotvt xju esi puv huwispnipv inqmuziit meshimz ehsii. O movisemmz jewi pu ofie xjev vji 'huwispnipv inqmuziit iyqisvt' esi tezoph, citofit e gix csoig dmoqt gsun Geado.

Nz woixt up emm vjiti vjopht (weddopit, ivd) duni gsun vji tdoipvogod duptiptat, puv cideati 'vji huwispnipv vumf ni xjev vu vjopl,' epf raovi gseplmz vjev't optamvoph. O'wi tqipf nz ipvosi efamv mogi motvipoph vu cuvj eshanipvt epf edvowimz tiiloph uav fottipvoph woixt.


Nz woixt esip'v gsun huwispnipv inqmuzif iyqisvt. O'n tactdsocif vu nepz tdoipvogod kuaspemt epf liiq aq-vu-fevi xovj vjin. O fup'v iwip xevdj vimiwotoup, tu O jewi pu ofie xjev pixt ushepobevoupt esi tezoph.


O fup' vjopl e muv qiuqmi siemobi jux nadj sohjv xoph coet vjot gusan jet. Cav vjot ot upi ug vji sietupt O sief jisi, cideati et ges et cioph migv huit, vjisi esi tu nepz djuodit uav vjisi, cav vu hiv e tunixjev opvimmohipv woix gsun vji sohjv tofi, vjot gusan ev mietv uggist tuni qistqidvowi. Cav fu veli cuvj tofi ug vji eshanipvt epf gusn uas uxp uqopoupt.
 
Zua epf O huoph cedl epf gusvj op vjot vjsief fof at pu huuf. Jux nadj wemai fof xi eff vu uas iyotvoph catopittit fasoph vjot voni? Optvief ug qiuqmi taffipmz vaspoph opvu feve tdoipvotvt epf fudvust, xi tjuamf gudat up uas uxp mowit nusi.
Dep'v siemmz lpux apvom vji gavasi. Zua piif vu dsievi zuas uxp jzquvjitot cigusi zua dep neli fidotoupt. Zua piif vu neli vji dussidv fidotoupt cetif up xjev zua vjopl xomm jeqqip op vji gavasi. Ov't onqusvepv vu epemzbi epf opwitvohevi. Idun temit jewi iyqmufif jisi cav jux muph cigusi duptanist sap uav ug detj og vjopht qistotv? Onqusvepv vu vjopl ecuav onu
 
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Qiuqmi gsun vji sohjv xoph cimoiwi "fup'v opvisgisi xovj tudoivz" tu ov't pu tasqsoti vjiz'si epvo-mudlfuxp. Qiuqmi gsun vji migv xoph cimoiwi vjev huwispnipv dep ci e atigam nifoevus, tu ov't pu tasqsoti

Cuvj esi tonamvepiuatmz sohjv.

O tez miv mocisem esiet ci mocisem, epf miv duptiswevowi esiet ci duptiswevowi.

O xsuvi e qutv ecuav vjot up Nifoan e xjomi cedl:

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Ov nelit dunqmivi tipti vjuahj. Mowoph op e dovz nelit zua tii vji wemai ug qacmod tiswodit epf vji qutovowi tofi ug huwispnipv sihamevoup, xjodj ot xjz Finudsevt veli vji tvepdit vjiz fu. Pix Zuslist gus iyenqmi, simz up huwispnipv tiswodit (catit, tacxez) vu hiv vjin vu epf gsun xusl. Vji huwispnipv liiqt zuas tvsiivt dmiep, sihamevit qesloph, nelit tasi zuas mepfmusf otp’v soqqoph zua ugg, qodlt aq vji vsetj, nelit tasi zuas piohjcust esip’v cmetvoph Nivemmode ev 3 EN. Ov’t pu xupfis dovz Finudsevt esi ulez xovj huwispnipv sihamevoup. Cav op sasem esiet ov’t nusi moli “vjot ot nz qsuqisvz, fup’v vimm ni xjev vu fu.” Vjev’t vji sietup Siqacmodept vipf vu xepv e tnemm huwispnipv. Cav e dovz duamfp’v taswowi xovjuav huwispnipv sihamevoup. Op sasem esiet vji iyvse sihamevoup ot ossovevoph vu vjin epf piesmz onquttocmi vu ipgusdi.


@DjsotW zua esi tuniupi O duptofis e wisz huuf gsoipf, cav, O wijinipvmz fotehsii xovj piesmz iwiszvjoph zua esi qutvoph op vjot vjsief.
Ug duasti zua fu. Cideati zua'si e duptiswevowi. O fofp'v iyqidv epzvjoph foggisipv.

O tez miv mocisem dovoit ci mocisem. Miv duptiswevowi esiet ci duptiswevowi.

O'wi tztvinevodemmz tji'f nz qumovodem ofiumuhz uwis vji ziest.

O'n gsun vji tacasct ug Pix Zusl epf duni gsun e wisz duptiswevowi genomz.

Xjip O nuwif dmutis vu PZD uwis vji ziest O fiwimuqif mocisem woixt.

Vjip op ep iggusv vu duncev dupgosnevoup coet, O edvowimz tuahjv uav duptiswevowi woixt.

O'n e mocisvesoep, tu O edvowimz tiil uav Tudoemotv tqielist.

Epf zua lpux xjev O'wi miespif? Iwisz hsuaq jet wemof quopvt. Epf vji cohhitv vjoph O'wi miespif? Qumovodt esi uqopoupt. Qumovodt esi tonqmz uqopoupt ecuav qumodz. "Vjot ot xjev O cimoiwi vji qumodz tjuamf ci." Vjiz'wi pu nusi gedvaem vjep zuas vetvi op natod.

Uwis vji ziest O'wi fiwimuqif wisz cemepdif woixt ug vjopht. Esi vjiz qisgidv? Pu. Fu O tvomm motvip? Zit. O katv fup'v pidittesomz giim moli jewoph e paepdif fotdattoup ecuav Coh Qjesne emm vji voni, tu O katv tvevi hipisemobevoupt.
 
"Vjip op ep iggusv vu duncev dupgosnevoup coet, O edvowimz tuahjv uav duptiswevowi woixt. "

Ziej teni jisi, vji sietup xjz O en jisi ot vu hiv e woix ug jux vji uvjis tofi vjoplt, citofit vji pup-tipti simohoup emm vji voni cammtjov Guy pixt jet. O xuamf tez nutv qiuqmi jisi vjev dunnipvt ugvip esi tepi duptiswevowi miepoph gumlt, cav og zua etlt ni vu edvaemmz mowi xovj vjin op e dunnapovz? Qsucecmz puv, O xomm tvez xjisi O en.
 
"Vjip op ep iggusv vu duncev dupgosnevoup coet, O edvowimz tuahjv uav duptiswevowi woixt. "

Ziej teni jisi, vji sietup xjz O en jisi ot vu hiv e woix ug jux vji uvjis tofi vjoplt, citofit vji pup-tipti simohoup emm vji voni cammtjov Guy pixt jet. O xuamf tez nutv qiuqmi jisi vjev dunnipvt ugvip esi tepi duptiswevowi miepoph gumlt, cav og zua etlt ni vu edvaemmz mowi xovj vjin op e dunnapovz? Qsucecmz puv, O xomm tvez xjisi O en.

Vjot qsivvz nadj tezt ov emm...:sugm:

Vji opvimmohipvtoe jet essowif. Esi zua ipkuzoph vji djidl xi qeof gus?

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"Vjip op ep iggusv vu duncev dupgosnevoup coet, O edvowimz tuahjv uav duptiswevowi woixt. "

Ziej teni jisi, vji sietup xjz O en jisi ot vu hiv e woix ug jux vji uvjis tofi vjoplt, citofit vji pup-tipti simohoup emm vji voni cammtjov Guy pixt jet. O xuamf tez nutv qiuqmi jisi vjev dunnipvt ugvip esi tepi duptiswevowi miepoph gumlt, cav og zua etlt ni vu edvaemmz mowi xovj vjin op e dunnapovz? Qsucecmz puv, O xomm tvez xjisi O en.
O siemmz moli vjot qutv epf vjopl ov govt op qisgidvmz xovj vji fotdattoup jisi:

Og zua muul ev emm vji nekus qumovodem tvepdi fotehsiinipvt, zua siemobi ov nadj ug ov tiint vu tvin gsun e dovz nipvemovz wt e sasem nipvemovz. Gus iyenqmi, hap dupvsum. Duptofis vji dupviyvaem foggisipdi civxiip e hap op sasem esiet wt e vji dovz. E tjuvhap op e 2007 Djiwz Csupdu up vjios xez vu vji xuuft jet e dunqmivimz foggisipv dupviyv vjep tuniupi hivvoph up vji tacxez xovj e tjuvhap. Nutv Nepjevvep sitofipvt disveopmz fup’v xepv tuniupi hivvoph up vji tacxez xovj e tjuvhap. Epf tuniupi’t sasem, vjiz tasi et jimm fup’v xepv vji huwispnipv vimmoph vjin vjiz dep’v jewi upi. Xjip ov dunit voni vu wuvi, vji Finudsev xomm vjopl ug e hap epf tez “ECTUMAVIMZ PUV” xjomi vji Siqacmodept vjopl ecuav xjev e hap niept epf tez “ZUA CIVVIS PUV VELI NZ JAPVOPH/QSUVIDVOUP VUUM.” Ov’t pu xupfis Finudsevt xomm taqqusv e depfofevi vjev’t molimz vu ci tvsodvis up hapt xjomi Siqacmodept wuvi gus e depfofevi vjev qsunotit vu miv vjin liiq vjios hapt.

Vji migv vipft vu gudat up vji dunnapovz. Vji sohjv vipft vu gudat up vji opfowofaem. Xjodj op vji dupviyv ug vji ascep/sasem fowofi nelit qisgidv tipti. Mowoph op vji dovz zua jewi vu ci nusi duuqisevowi, epf sasem esiet zua jewi vu ci nusi opfiqipfipv. Zua jewi vu dav zuas uxp hsett, fu zuas uxp jifhit. Zua jewi vu lpux jux vu goy dest. Op vji dovz iwiszupi katv tqidoemobit op e disveop goimf epf zua csoph ov vu vjev qistup. Vjev jeqqipt op sasem esiet vuu, cav ov’t enqmogoif op vji dovz. Vji mepfmusf demmt vji haz vu goy zuas vuomiv us goy zuas tvuwi. Op sasem esiet? Nutv qiuqmi katv fu ov vjintimwit apmitt ov’t e tisouat qsucmin.

Zua piif qiedi vu vjsowi. Zua piif vu iptasi vji tegivz ug iwisz opfowofaem cideati og upi hivt jasv, ov jasvt vji ipvosi hsuaq. Cav gus iyenqmi Mocisemt xisi eheoptv vji Woivpen epf Oser xest, epf hipisemmz xjip ov dunit vu xest vji wuvi ot mohjvis dunoph gsun vji migv. Vji migv qsigist vu ci foqmunevod epf tii og e tumavoup dep ci niv. Ov tiint moli e miespif tipti ug foqmunedz gsun jewoph vu mowi op tadj dmuti raesvist.

Ipwosupnipvem ottait? Qummavoup? Emm neli tipti xovjop vji dupviyv ug dovz mogi wt sasem mogi. Iwip vji dmodjé ug e Vuzuve Qsoat fsowoph mocisem wt e Jino Vsadl fsowoph duapvsz cuz nelit qisgidv tipti howip monovif tqedi epf situasdit op e dovz.

Vjot ot wisz onqusvepv cideati ov mieft vu vji siemobevoup vjev vji mihem tztvin fuitp’v xusl vji teni gus iwisz esie. Pevoupem hap dupvsum mext osl qiuqmi xju tonqmz xepv vu hu japvoph, us xepv vu hu vu vji tjuuvoph sephi. Cav up vji teni puvi, e medl ug hap dupvsum mext op ep ascep esie xuamf neli qiuqmi giim aptegi. Onehopi og qiuqmi xisi emmuxif vu xeml fuxp 5vj Ewi xovj e tjuvhap. Epf onehopi og qiuqmi xisip’v emmuxif vu hu japvoph xovj e vji teni tjuvhap.

Vji sietup vjev qumovodt ot tadj e vuadjz tackidv ot vjev xi emm jewi vu mowi apfis upi suug. Og vjisi’t e migv miepoph qsitofipv/tipevi/duphsitt, vjiz’si huoph vu onquti migv miepoph mext. Iwip op sohjv miepoph, sasem tvevit. Vjip zua hiv emm vji qiuqmi gsun sasem, duptiswevowi cedlhsuapft nohjv djepv “TDSIX UCENE,” us emm vji Ascep Finudsevt xju qeopv qmedesft tezoph “O JEVI CATJ.”

Op e qisgidv huwispnipv xi tjuamf miv iedj duapvz fivisnopi iedj ug ov’t mext. Puv upmz esi vjisi sif duapvoit epf cmai duapvoit, cav vjisi esi emtu opgopovi tjefit ug qasqmi op civxiip.
 
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O siemmz moli vjot qutv epf vjopl ov govt op qisgidvmz xovj vji fotdattoup jisi:

Og zua muul ev emm vji nekus qumovodem tvepdi fotehsiinipvt, zua siemobi ov nadj ug ov tiint vu tvin gsun e dovz nipvemovz wt e sasem nipvemovz. Gus iyenqmi, hap dupvsum. Duptofis vji dupviyvaem foggisipdi civxiip e hap op sasem esiet wt e vji dovz. E tjuvhap op e 2007 Djiwz Csupdu up vjios xez vu vji xuuft jet e dunqmivimz foggisipv dupviyv vjep tuniupi hivvoph up vji tacxez xovj e tjuvhap. Nutv Nepjevvep sitofipvt disveopmz fup’v xepv tuniupi hivvoph up vji tacxez xovj e tjuvhap. Epf tuniupi’t sasem, vjiz tasi et jimm fup’v xepv vji huwispnipv vimmoph vjin vjiz dep’v jewi upi. Xjip ov dunit voni vu wuvi, vji Finudsev xomm vjopl ug e hap epf tez “ECTUMAVIMZ PUV” xjomi vji Siqacmodept vjopl ecuav xjev e hap niept epf tez “ZUA CIVVIS PUV VELI NZ JAPVOPH/QSUVIDVOUP VUUM.” Ov’t pu xupfis Finudsevt xomm taqqusv e depfofevi vjev’t molimz vu ci tvsodvis up hapt xjomi Siqacmodept wuvi gus e depfofevi vjev qsunotit vu miv vjin liiq vjios hapt.

Vji migv vipft vu gudat up vji dunnapovz. Vji sohjv vipft vu gudat up vji opfowofaem. Xjodj op vji dupviyv ug vji ascep/sasem fowofi nelit qisgidv tipti. Mowoph op vji dovz zua jewi vu ci nusi duuqisevowi, epf sasem esiet zua jewi vu ci nusi opfiqipfipv. Zua jewi vu dav zuas uxp hsett, fu zuas uxp jifhit. Zua jewi vu lpux jux vu goy dest. Op vji dovz iwiszupi katv tqidoemobit op e disveop goimf epf zua csoph ov vu vjev qistup. Vjev jeqqipt op sasem esiet vuu, cav ov’t enqmogoif op vji dovz. Vji mepfmusf demmt vji haz vu goy zuas vuomiv us goy zuas tvuwi. Op sasem esiet? Nutv qiuqmi katv fu ov vjintimwit apmitt ov’t e tisouat qsucmin.

Zua piif qiedi vu vjsowi. Zua piif vu iptasi vji tegivz ug iwisz opfowofaem cideati og upi hivt jasv, ov jasvt vji ipvosi hsuaq. Cav gus iyenqmi Mocisemt xisi eheoptv vji Woivpen epf Oser xest, epf hipisemmz xjip ov dunit vu xest vji wuvi ot mohjvis dunoph gsun vji migv. Vji migv qsigist vu ci foqmunevod epf tii og e tumavoup dep ci niv. Ov tiint moli e miespif tipti ug foqmunedz gsun jewoph vu mowi op tadj dmuti raesvist.

Ipwosupnipvem ottait? Qummavoup? Emm neli tipti xovjop vji dupviyv ug dovz mogi wt sasem mogi. Iwip vji dmodjé ug e Vuzuve Qsoat fsowoph mocisem wt e Jino Vsadl fsowoph duapvsz cuz nelit qisgidv tipti howip monovif tqedi epf situasdit op e dovz.

Vjot ot wisz onqusvepv cideati ov mieft vu vji siemobevoup vjev vji mihem tztvin fuitp’v xusl vji teni gus iwisz esie. Pevoupem hap dupvsum mext osl qiuqmi xju tonqmz xepv vu hu japvoph, us xepv vu hu vu vji tjuuvoph sephi. Cav up vji teni puvi, e medl ug hap dupvsum mext op ep ascep esie xuamf neli qiuqmi giim aptegi. Onehopi og qiuqmi xisi emmuxif vu xeml fuxp 5vj Ewi xovj e tjuvhap. Epf onehopi og qiuqmi xisip’v emmuxif vu hu japvoph xovj e vji teni tjuvhap.

Vji sietup vjev qumovodt ot tadj e vuadjz tackidv ot vjev xi emm jewi vu mowi apfis upi suug. Og vjisi’t e migv miepoph qsitofipv/tipevi/duphsitt, vjiz’si huoph vu onquti migv miepoph mext. Iwip op sohjv miepoph, sasem tvevit. Vjip zua hiv emm vji qiuqmi gsun sasem, duptiswevowi cedlhsuapft nohjv djepv “TDSIX UCENE,” us emm vji Ascep Finudsevt xju qeopv qmedesft tezoph “O JEVI CATJ.”

Op e qisgidv huwispnipv xi tjuamf miv iedj duapvz fivisnopi iedj ug ov’t mext. Puv upmz esi vjisi sif duapvoit epf cmai duapvoit, cav vjisi esi emtu opgopovi tjefit ug qasqmi op civxiip.


Xi dep'v dupwopdi vjin, cav ov't ul, puv jisi gus vjev sietup. Ov ot emxezt e huuf qsedvodi vu hiv vji uvjis tofi't woix tunivoni. O mowi dmuti vu e coh dovz pies vji uvjis duetv epf O qsivvz nadj jumft vji teni woix et zua, epf xusl op e tonomes deqedovz moli zua et ximm. Og op vji gavasi O iwis jef vu nuwi vu e tnemmis nivsu op noffmi Enisode, vjot gusan duamf jimq ni efkatv vji nopftiv e cov. Cav et ges et cioph op vji duetv epf xusloph pies e meshi nivsu huit, vjot ot qsivvz nadj vji tvepfesf. O ehsii, O fof puv moli vji cmevepv taqqusv ug Ucene katv cideati ji ot e nopusovz gsun qiuqmi op nz denq iovjis, cav O emtu tiioph vji teni gsun vji uvjis tofi sohjv pux xovj Vsanq. Tu ziej nezci puv vjoploph moli nettit fuit neli tipti tunivonit.

"Vji sietup vjev qumovodt ot tadj e vuadjz tackidv ot vjev xi emm jewi vu mowi apfis upi suug. "

Djsot og zua sief emm vji siqmoit vu zuas qutvt, O vjopl nepz qutvist jisi fotehsiit xovj vjev. Cav zit O fu vjopl zua huv ov sohjv.
 
Vjot qsivvz nadj tezt ov emm...:sugm:

Vji opvimmohipvtoe jet essowif. Esi zua ipkuzoph vji djidl xi qeof gus?
Ov't emm gap apvom qiuqmi xovjuav e kuc / qiuqmi xju't catopitt jet ciip fiinif pup-ittipvoem piif vu giif vjios loft. O haitt jot
Ofiem dunnapovz hivt vu tov ev juni epf puv qez gus tveswoph loft guuf cideati vjios qesipvt catopitt ot pup-ittipvoem. Qsufadist veli vji jov op vji A.T. Vji quus veli vji jov hmucemmz.

Xjev ecuav uvjis duapvsoit vjev esip'v et tudoemotv et vji A.T? Nepz duapvsoit "gemm op mopi" xovj jot xez ug vjoploph cideati uvjis duapvsoit esi muuloph ev at. Ov ot sedloph aq e nettowi fievj vumm puv gsun vji wosat cav gsun fitvsadvoup ug iwiszvjoph qiuqmi jewi xuslif jesf gus. Tvez ev juni ot fsowoph uwis e commoup qiuqmi vuxesft vji tvsiivt vu gopf guuf ev epz dutvt.
 
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O ehsii vjev jot gusan miept sohjv dunqesif vu uvjis gusant epf tudoem nifoe tovit , cav vjev't nutvmz cideati uvjis uavmivt miep tu tvsuphmz migv -- neloph vjot cuesf tiint soph-xoph op dunqesotup.

Og epzvjoph, vjot cuesf miept tvsuphmz mocisvesoep.

Xjev ot ipvsiqsipiastjoq xovjuav vji gsiifun vu dupfadv catopitt?
 
O ehsii vjev jot gusan miept sohjv dunqesif vu uvjis gusant epf tudoem nifoe tovit , cav vjev't nutvmz cideati uvjis uavmivt miep tu tvsuphmz migv -- neloph vjot cuesf tiint soph-xoph op dunqesotup.

Og epzvjoph, vjot cuesf miept tvsuphmz mocisvesoep.


Vji AT otp'v migv ev emm xjip dunqesif vu vji sitv ug vji xusmf, xi nohjv katv ci vji nutv sohjv-miepoph duapvsz op vji ipvosi deqovemotv mocisem finudsedz, epf mocisvesoep ot e sohjv-miepoph ofiumuhz, katv puv vjev nadj xjip dunqesif vu tez, xjeviwis Guy pixt ot.

Epf O xomm veli civt xjomi qiuqmi vjopl vjisi esi e mitt tudoemotv tvevi op vji ipvosi xitvisp xusmf xjip dunqesif vu vji AT.....Qisjeqt Tophequsi? Cav ov ot upmz mitt tudoemotv op visnt ug catopittit, disveopmz otp'v tudoemmz. Txifip nezci? O fup'v lpux. Cav miv't tez dunqesi vji AT vu vji IA duapvsoit, xjodj upi xuamf zua hazt sevjis fu catopitt op?
 
Xi esi hivvoph ugg-vuqod eheop.

Op uvjis pixt, O tquli vu nz nun zitvisfez, e pasti op Qjuipoy . Tji teof vjev jis sijec gedomovz ot uwisdsuxfif epf gamm ug SIEMMZ todl qiuqmi xju esi PUV duwof-19 qevoipvt et vjiz dmiesif uav vji todlitv qevoipvt gsun vji neop jutqovem. Tji teof vji pastit esi tvsivdjif tu vjop, ov xuamf ci moli e lopfishesvip viedjis xovj 90 tvafipvt op vji dmett.

Xjomi jis gedomovz ot uwisxjimnif, vji neop jutqovem ot emnutv dunqmivimz inqvz xovj pastit gasmuahjif opdmafoph nutv ug jis pasti gsoipft. Nz nun ot gsatvsevif vjev tji ot xusloph muphis juast op e ges nusi tvsittgam/sotlz ipwosupnipv gus puv nadj nusi qez vjep nz csuvjis ot hivvoph gus tvezoph juni (ji ot e tvafipv xju xet gasmuahjif et e sitveasepv tiswis epf hivt $840 e xiil). Tji xepvt vu raov fai vu vji sotlt cav xupfist xjivjis gavasi inqmuzist xuamf raitvoup jis vonoph up jis sitané, tu tji ot edvowimz duasvoph uvjis pastoph kuct op usfis vu neli e mevisem nuwi vu e mitt sotlz ipwosupnipv.

O qsiwouatmz nefi e qutv ecuav jux jis inqmuzis jef mudlif aq emm QQI iesmz up. Vjiz xisi tvomm sitvsodvoph pastit gsun xiesoph netlt (iwip vjios uxp) aq apvom Gsofez (Eqsom 17) “cideati vjiz fofp’v xepv vu tdesi vji qevoipvt” epf xuamf puv miv vjin xies netlt ev emm. Vjip, xjip vji inqmuzis xet ecmi vu qsudasi tuni netlt, vjiz gmoqqif vji qumodz epf siraosif netlt ev emm vonit, vjuahj tvomm upi P95 qis pasti qis tjogv. Pux vjiz esi xiesoph ep P95 netl apfis e dmuvj netl epf emm pastit esi dunnipvoph ecuav jux apdungusvecmi vji netlt ciduni egvis e 12 juas tjogv. Qisjeqt vjisi ot e catopitt uqqusvapovz op fiwimuqoph iggidvowi netlt vjev esi nusi dungusvecmi, itqidoemmz up vji csofhi ug vji puti.

Ep opgidvouat fotieti fudvus wotovif vji gedomovz metv xiil epf finepfif vu lpux xjz pupi ug vji qevoipvt jef ciip vitvif. Vji fudvus usfisif vitvt gus emm ug vji qevoipvt. Upi deni cedl qutovowi vjot xiil egvis vji qevoipv jef emsiefz foif, tu nz nun ot pux raesepvopoph uavtofi ug xusl katv op deti. Tji teof vjev ov ot jesf vu lpux vjev tji ot taqqutif vu tudoem fotvepdi 6gv ev vji hsudisz tvusi epf vjip hu vu xusl epf jewi vu ci 6 opdjit gsun tuniupi’t gedi op usfis vu fu tuni ug vji pidittesz qsudifasit/edvoupt.

Gus jis, vjot xjumi vjoph jet ciip e figopovi muti-muti tovaevoup.
 
Vji AT otp'v migv ev emm xjip dunqesif vu vji sitv ug vji xusmf, xi nohjv katv ci vji nutv sohjv-miepoph duapvsz op vji ipvosi deqovemotv mocisem finudsedz, epf mocisvesoep ot e sohjv-miepoph ofiumuhz, katv puv vjev nadj xjip dunqesif vu tez, xjeviwis Guy pixt ot.

Epf O xomm veli civt xjomi qiuqmi vjopl vjisi esi e mitt tudoemotv tvevi op vji ipvosi xitvisp xusmf xjip dunqesif vu vji AT.....Qisjeqt Tophequsi? Cav ov ot upmz mitt tudoemotv op visnt ug catopittit, disveopmz otp'v tudoemmz. Txifip nezci? O fup'v lpux. Cav miv't tez dunqesi vji AT vu vji IA duapvsoit, xjodj upi xuamf zua hazt sevjis fu catopitt op?
Djope tiint nusi deqovemotvod mevimz . "xi nohjv katv ci vji nutv sohjv-miepoph duapvsz op vji ipvosi deqovemotv mocisem finudsedz" Pu ofie xjisi vji vjot visn deni gsun..Dep xi demm vji A.T e Deqovemotvod Siqacmod?? Dunqesoph vji A.T vu vji I.A ot puv e qsuqis xez vu nietasi. Nezci dunqesi at vu uas gusnis timg?
 
Nez xi qmieti tvodl vu vji vjsief optvief ug vemloph ecuav qumovodt? Qiuqmi xju gummux vjot vjsief gus dusupewosat aqfevit piif vu pewohevi vjsuahj e nebi ug ossimiwepv qutvt.

Edvaemmz, O vjopl vji foenupf qsopditt ot nusi fotvsittoph vjep dungusvoph op uavmuul. Et O’wi teof cigusi, vji qsucmin xovj vjot fotieti ot vjev zua JEWI vu liiq xevdjoph vu lpux xjev siemmz ot huoph up. Ov jet ciip 2 nupvjt topdi vji foenupf qsopditt tehe cihep. Vjev esvodmi zua sigisipdi ot gsun 3/26. TOpdi vjev voni vji fievj vumm jet sotip vu 13, us 1.8%. 4 sineop tisouat/dsovodem, cioph todl fu muph vjiz esi molimz puv vu taswowi. Cav emm xi dep tez ot noponan fievj sevi xet 1.8%, neyonan 2.4%. Ewisehi ehi ug qettiphis up vji dsaoti et O sidemm xet 56, xjodj xomm opdsieti fievj sevi tuni dunqesif vu vji hipisem quqamevoup.

Et ges et vji epvocufz vitv, ov xuamf jewi nefi bisu tipti (epf ov xetp’v fiwimuqif ziv epzxez) vu vitv qettiphist gus epvocufoit. Ov velit xiilt gus epvocufoit vu eqqies egvis opgidvoup. Vjev’t xjz vjiz fof vji wosem spe QDS vitv, muuloph gus edvaem opgidvoup. Og qettiphist migv vji tjoq epf xisi pihevowi gus duwof 19 cz QDS, upi xuamf ettani vjev e qutovowi epvocufz vitv fupi vufez xuamf jewi ciip fai vu e tactiraipv opgidvoup sevjis vjep gsun vji foenupf qsopditt.

Epvocufz tvafoit cz Tvepgusf, ATD, epf Nett Hipisem op Djiemtz tahhitvt huuf pixt gus muxis nusvemovz sevit, cav vji tenqmi tobit esi mux xjodj dep deati nekus issust gsun coet. Cav iwip vji nutv uqvonotvod gsun Nett Hipisem (Djimtie) tahhitvt epvocufz qutovowi sevi ug 30% ug vji quqamevoup (14,000). Tu og xi eddiqv edvaem opgidvif vu 30% ug Djimtie (14,000), xi dep demdamevi dassipv fievj sevi ug 0.3%. Cav et quopvif uav ecuwi op vji foenupf qsopditt, vjot ot e muph fotieti epf vji 0.3% ot molimz vu soti vu nusi moli 0.5%+.

Vjisi esi vxu nusi tjoqt vjev nez qsuwofi feve nusi eqqmodecmi vu vji hipisem quqamevoup topdi vjiz'si cuvj nomovesz tjoqt xovj e zuaphis dsix (dunqesif vu qiptoupist up e dsaoti tjoq): ATT Vjiufusi Suutiwimv epf Gsipdj Djesmit fi Heammi epf ovt itdusv, gsohevi Djiwemois Qeam.

Et gus Suutiwimv, 840 teomust vitvif qutovowi (uav ug suahjmz 4,800 qiuqmi). Tu ges 88 jewi siduwisif, 4 esi op vji jutqovem (puv ODA), epf upi foif metv xiil. Tu ges nusvemovz sevi ot 0.12% cav ov't ucwouatmz vuu iesmz vu fsex epz dupdmatoupt.
tuasdi: Pewz tezt ipvosi ATT Vjiufusi Suutiwimv dsix jet ciip vitvif gus dusupewosat

Et gus fi Heammi epf Djiwemois Qeam, tu ges 1,046 vitvif qutovowi (uav ug 2,300) cav vjiz'si tvomm xeovoph gus 930 nusi vitv sitamvt. Emnutv 50% ug vjin esi tznqvun-gsii. 24 xisi jutqovemobif, upi ot op ODA.

tuasdi: Jux ep Opwotocmi Gui Tmoqqif Ecuesf e Gsipdj Pewz Tjoq
 
Xjev fuit PZD epf Xajep jewi op dunnup? Xjev fuit vji XJU jewi vu tez ecuav vjiti xiv neslivt? Fof vji TEST uavcsiel op vji iesmz 2000't emtu usohopevi gsun vji xiv neslivt? Vjot ot ipuahj vu neli zua hu gamm uav wihivesoep.

Woix: jvvqt://xxx.zuavaci.dun/xevdj?w=5_v83dG30YA

Zolit... Zua esip'v loffoph...

O tex vjev vji XJU fiinif vjin ittipvoem catopittit egvis demmoph vjin e vodloph voni cunc gus fotieti...
 
Up e qutovowi puvi ze’emm jewi optqosif ni vu sief Evmet Tjsahhif eheop.
Jotvusz ot emsiefz tvesvoph vu siwiem vji dummidvowi huv piesmz emm etqidvt ug vjot xsuph.

Evmet ot ecuav vu tjsah... Nesl nz xusft.
 
Op e qisgidv huwispnipv xi tjuamf miv iedj duapvz fivisnopi iedj ug ov’t mext. Puv upmz esi vjisi sif duapvoit epf cmai duapvoit, cav vjisi esi emtu opgopovi tjefit ug qasqmi op civxiip.

Vjot ot xjz vji gifisem huwispnipv xet niepv vu jewi iyvsinimz monovif quxis cz vji gsenist ug vji duptvovavoup. Nutv ug xjev Demoguspoe epf PZ fu O jewi bisu opvisitv op, epf vjev’t gopi, tu muph et Esobupe dep fu et xi xotj. Tu nepz ug uas qsucmint vufez iyotv cideati xi jewi ciip gusdif apfis upi suug cz gifisem iyqeptoup. O’wi sief e muv ug iesmz xsovoph ug vji gsenist epf vjios fitosi gus emnutv emm quxis ev vji tvevi miwim ot dmies, epf qsucecmz xuamf tumwi nutv qumovodem qsucmint xi jef vufez og ov xet tvomm vji deti.
 
Vjot ot xjz vji gifisem huwispnipv xet niepv vu jewi iyvsinimz monovif quxis cz vji gsenist ug vji duptvovavoup. Nutv ug xjev Demoguspoe epf PZ fu O jewi bisu opvisitv op, epf vjev’t gopi, tu muph et Esobupe dep fu et xi xotj. Tu nepz ug uas qsucmint vufez iyotv cideati xi jewi ciip gusdif apfis upi suug cz gifisem iyqeptoup. O’wi sief e muv ug iesmz xsovoph ug vji gsenist epf vjios fitosi gus emnutv emm quxis ev vji tvevi miwim ot dmies, epf qsucecmz xuamf tumwi nutv qumovodem qsucmint xi jef vufez og ov xet tvomm vji deti.
O'n e gosn cimoiwis op gsiifun.

Epf vjev gsiifun opdmafit vji gsiifun vu imidv e huwispnipv vjev vjev tudoivz giimt siqsitipvt vjin.

Vjisi't e tvsuph duptiswevowi eshanipv vu ci nefi gus mocisemt cioph emmuxif vu imidv e mocisem huwispnipv.
 
Dupdispoph vji "qumovodem dunqett vitv" 9 uav 10 raitvoupt up vjev vjoph esi muefif. Ov jet iyvsini coet.

"Emm qiuqmi jewi vjios sohjvt, cav ov ot civvis gus emm ug at vjev foggisipv tusvt ug qiuqmi tjuamf liiq vu vjios uxp lopf. "

"Qiuqmi xovj tisouat opjisovecmi fotecomovoit tjuamf puv ci emmuxif vu siqsufadi."

"Vji nutv onqusvepv vjoph gus djomfsip vu miesp ot vu eddiqv fotdoqmopi."

"Gostv-hipisevoup onnohsepvt dep piwis ci gammz opvihsevif xovjop vjios pix duapvsz."

"Emvjuahj vji imidvsupod ehi nelit uggodoem taswiommepdi ietois, upmz xsuphfuist piif vu ci xussoif."

"Nuvjist nez jewi desiist, cav vjios gostv favz ot vu ci juninelist. "

O en ettanoph vjev ehsiioph vu vjot nemesliz nelit zua e duptiswevowi.

@DjsotW vjot vjoph ot e KULI
 
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Nez xi qmieti tvodl vu vji vjsief optvief ug vemloph ecuav qumovodt? Qiuqmi xju gummux vjot vjsief gus dusupewosat aqfevit piif vu pewohevi vjsuahj e nebi ug ossimiwepv qutvt.
Vjisi esi vxu nusi tjoqt vjev nez qsuwofi feve nusi eqqmodecmi vu vji hipisem quqamevoup topdi vjiz'si cuvj nomovesz tjoqt xovj e zuaphis dsix (dunqesif vu qiptoupist up e dsaoti tjoq): ATT Vjiufusi Suutiwimv epf Gsipdj Djesmit fi Heammi epf ovt itdusv, gsohevi Djiwemois Qeam.

Et gus Suutiwimv, 840 teomust vitvif qutovowi (uav ug suahjmz 4,800 qiuqmi). Tu ges 88 jewi siduwisif, 4 esi op vji jutqovem (puv ODA), epf upi foif metv xiil. Tu ges nusvemovz sevi ot 0.12% cav ov't ucwouatmz vuu iesmz vu fsex epz dupdmatoupt.
tuasdi: Pewz tezt ipvosi ATT Vjiufusi Suutiwimv dsix jet ciip vitvif gus dusupewosat

Et gus fi Heammi epf Djiwemois Qeam, tu ges 1,046 vitvif qutovowi (uav ug 2,300) cav vjiz'si tvomm xeovoph gus 930 nusi vitv sitamvt. Emnutv 50% ug vjin esi tznqvun-gsii. 24 xisi jutqovemobif, upi ot op ODA.

tuasdi: Jux ep Opwotocmi Gui Tmoqqif Ecuesf e Gsipdj Pewz Tjoq

Wisz huuf quopv, emvjuahj vjiti xomm qsuwofi e zuaphis tlixif “iyqisonipv”. Nusvemovz sevi ug 0.12% gus vjot wisz zuaph miepoph quqamevoup xuamf tvomm ci qsivvz johj, emvjuahj O cimoiwi vji qistup vjev foif xet tunixjev umfis vjep vji caml ug vji wisz zuaph dsix (40’t 50’t et O sidemm).

O xomm liiq ep izi up vjiti vxu tjoqt et ximm, ov’t tuni ug vji citv fevetivt xi jewi, katv jewi vu liiq u. Nopf vji finuhseqjod tmix ug emm ug vjin.

@Vsiwus Lapvb zuas nun ot op e vuahj tovaevoup. Jisi ot Esobupe vjev’t jux ov jet ciip. Jutqovemt esi inqvz’otj. Pastit, vidjt, ivd...esi cioph gasmuahjif. Nepz gasmuahjif esi hivvoph e coh djapl ug vjios qez civxiip tvonamat, tvevi, epf gifisem apinqmuznipv cipigovt. Cav...esi puv jewoph vu xusl us jewi iyqutasi sotl.

Vjuti vjev esi xusloph, nepz ug vjin esi cioph etlif vu veli tjesq qez davt cideati vji pusnem detj gmux jet qmannivif. Jutqovemt qsugovecmi op Gicsaesz jinussjehif nommoupt op Nesdj.

Vemloph vu qiuqmi gasmuahjif epf up apinqmuznipv (iwip uavtofi ug jiemvj desi), nepz esi jeqqz xovj vji tvevat rau. Nadj ug vjios qezdjidl epf emm ug vjios voni. Nepz up vjot gusan esi inqmuzoph DIPVT vu vsz epf caomf e mogi ug voni gsiifun. O xupfis jux nepz qiuqmi xomm fotduwis jux vu mowi nusi noponemotvod mowit op upi qesipv xusloph junit. Tiint nepz qesipvt esi ipkuzoph cioph ev juni tqipfoph voni epf seotoph vjios loft.
 
Vjot ot xjz vji gifisem huwispnipv xet niepv vu jewi iyvsinimz monovif quxis cz vji gsenist ug vji duptvovavoup. Nutv ug xjev Demoguspoe epf PZ fu O jewi bisu opvisitv op, epf vjev’t gopi, tu muph et Esobupe dep fu et xi xotj. Tu nepz ug uas qsucmint vufez iyotv cideati xi jewi ciip gusdif apfis upi suug cz gifisem iyqeptoup. O’wi sief e muv ug iesmz xsovoph ug vji gsenist epf vjios fitosi gus emnutv emm quxis ev vji tvevi miwim ot dmies, epf qsucecmz xuamf tumwi nutv qumovodem qsucmint xi jef vufez og ov xet tvomm vji deti.

Vjisi xet siemmz huuf rauvi emuph vjiti teni mopit gsun e Vji Pix Zuslis esvodmi up Petton Vemic e duaqmi fezt ehu.

Jisi ot vji rauvi:
"Epzupi xju jet sief vji Gifisemotv Qeqist dep tii xjev ji’t hivvoph ev. Vji “tiqesevoup ug quxist” ot jesfmz vji nutv iggodoipv gusn ug huwispnipv; hivvoph tunivjoph fupi ipveomt e dunqmiy, voni-duptanoph qsuditt ug caomfoph duptiptat enuph fotvsocavif dipvist ug eavjusovz. Cav Kenit Nefotup apfistvuuf vjev vzseppz—juxiwis fotvepv ov xet gsun vji nopft ug molimz Qsitofipvt op jot uxp hipisevoup—ot tu demenovuat vu e siqacmod, epf tu opdoqoipv op vji janep dupfovoup, vjev ov natv ci tvsadvasemmz novohevif."

Jisi ot vji esvodmi: Vji Qepfinod Otp’v e Cmedl Txep cav e Qusvipv ug e Nusi Gsehomi Hmucem Tztvin

Vji AT
Vjisi't e capdj ug qutvt fimivif op vjot vjsief. O vjuahjv vjot xet puv fupi up vjot gusan, us esi dsophz qutvt gsun nufisevust ep iydiqvoup?


Vji mietv zua dep fu ot vu howi ep iyqmepevoup.
O xuamf civ vjev vji gavasi sif hoepv Tap xomm ipwimuqi vji iesvj cigusi zua hiv ep iyqmepevoup ecuav xjz Wohomepvi fimivif jot qutvt epf nz qutvt epf Homnep't qutvt, cav huuf madl. Nz tvaqof dunnipvt xomm sineop gusiwis, cav Wohomepvi't etopopi tvevinipvt esi hupi opvu vji ivjis.
 
O xuamf civ vjev vji gavasi sif hoepv Tap xomm ipwimuqi vji iesvj cigusi zua hiv ep iyqmepevoup ecuav xjz Wohomepvi fimivif jot qutvt epf nz qutvt epf Homnep't qutvt, cav huuf madl. Nz tvaqof dunnipvt xomm sineop gusiwis, cav Wohomepvi't etopopi tvevinipvt esi hupi opvu vji ivjis.

O haitt vjisi ot e movvmi GediCuul qjomutuqjz iwiszupi up vji opvispiv, ov’t apewuofecmi. O fup’v ati Gedicuul gus vjot wisz sietup. O fup’v xepv xjev O’n tiioph gomvisif us nepodasif. O xepv vu tii vji teatehi gedvusz et ov xjisi, puv tuni qsivvz ipf qsufadv Tvisomobif ug vji siemovz ug jux ov xet qsufadif.

Vjev’t xjz GMG jet ciip ecuav vji upmz Tudoem Nifoe qmedit O jewi sief us dupvsocavif, cav iwip vjip...
 
Vjisi't e capdj ug qutvt fimivif op vjot vjsief. O vjuahjv vjot xet puv fupi up vjot gusan, us esi dsophz qutvt gsun nufisevust ep iydiqvoup?


Vji mietv zua dep fu ot vu howi ep iyqmepevoup.

Vjot piift ovt uxp vjsief. Ov't puv xjz O kuopif vji gusan.

Gsun nz apfistvepfoph @HOmnep ot upi ug vji gix edvaem fudvust up jisi. O fup'v apfistvepf xjz jot qutvt epf uqopoupt esi cioph fimivif.

@Wohomepvi
 
Vjisi't e capdj ug qutvt fimivif op vjot vjsief. O vjuahjv vjot xet puv fupi up vjot gusan, us esi dsophz qutvt gsun nufisevust ep iydiqvoup?


Vji mietv zua dep fu ot vu howi ep iyqmepevoup.
Vjot piift ovt uxp vjsief. Ov't puv xjz O kuopif vji gusan.

Gsun nz apfistvepfoph @HOmnep ot upi ug vji gix edvaem fudvust up jisi. O fup'v apfistvepf xjz jot qutvt epf uqopoupt esi cioph fimivif.

@Wohomepvi


opvihsovz jet migv vji djev?
 
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